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xAnAtOs - Student |
Hope there isn't already a thread about this... has anyone else been watching this show? Just watched the first 11 episodes and I think it's freaken awesome; plot, characters, super powers - all of it. I'm hearing Season 1 continues this Monday. Any takers? _______________ Brother to Luke Skywalker and (SKX) Dark Blade 
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<Henkes> nebody feeling like abusing me with a lightsaber?|+Smilykrazy grabs Gradius, beats the living CRAP out of him, then throws him into a huge vat of ACID This post was edited by xAnAtOs on May 11 2007 02:58am. |
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El Vee For - Student 
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Quote: Dealing with Hiro's possible aging is getting into multiple possibilities. I believe futur Hiro has been shown that Hiro does age. I would say that when he is in place in time he is aging normally. He is however at least 6 months older than everyone else. Ando would be a few days older due to his time spent in the future. The main question is what happens to Hiro when he stops time. Does he enter a state of temporal flux where he is unaffected by time while time does not move around him, so while time has stopped his aging has stopped. Also what is the extent of his powers. Does he completely freeze the entire space-time continuum or merely an area around him. If he does freeze it completely what about people who would be able to notice this, such as Peter who due to his contact with future Hiro would make him able to exist outside of time as Hiro. Would he need to be in proximity to hiro for this to work? Hiro would have to age, as would anybody else that he has selected to be free from the effects of his powers.
Thing is how could he keep track of his age? Not that it really matters for the sake of the story but we have gone beyond that now haven't we. _______________ “Arguing on the internet is like competing in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you’re still retarded.” |
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Alex Dkana - Staff 
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Great episode! Anyone else notice that while Hiro learnt a lot from his father he seemed to miss one of the main things i felt he was trying to tell him with the story etc. - That he has to be willing to sacrifice Ando if he is to defeat Sylar?
I think thats why F.Hiro seemed so changed and different, it was because he had a part in Ando's death. I'm wondering whether it is shown on that scrap of the 9th Wonders comic from the future - the scrap F.Hiro gave Ando. I'm also wondering whether Sylar will get to Candice and Nathan before Peter gets to Sylar... Afterall isn't Sylar still planning on becoming president? I found it amusing that of the two choices Mohinder knocked out the one who was more likely to sort things out peacefully.  I don't think Bennett can kill a little girl though.
I like the way Heroes isn't afraid to kill people, Thompson being the latest. That said Lost could be set for a killing spree in the finale... I mourn Ted's loss... Boom heheh. _______________ To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield | Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken | Rhaiko D'kana - SWTOR EU Guild Co-Founder | Is it what the teacher, teaches? Or what the student learns? A Dkana |
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Buzz - Student 
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What I'm saying is that his father demonstrates a move for him, offers him some instruction on it, then Hiro freezes time to learn it, he then unfreezes time and shows that he has learned then its rinse repeat. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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Fire - Student 
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If time were indeed frozen during that whole training montage, that wouldn't explain why Ando was impatient enough to go out and try to kill Sylar himself.
I'm going to just assume it's something the writers did to keep up the pacing of the show. "24" does it a lot, with the traveling across the U.S. in one hour. This comment was edited by Fire on May 17 2007 05:02am. |
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Buzz - Student
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Quote: ah since there is no precedence there is no possibility? Hmmm guess there isn't any chance for a "first time" from that point of view.
I will reconsider... ...Since Hiro can stop time and travel through time it isn't unreasonable to think that he is infact older than any calendar could possibly measure. With the brief trips he has made through time its entirely possible that Hiro doesn't even know his true age, he certainly can't use a birthday to measure it. If Hiro truly wanted to learn sword technique in time to stop Sylar he would have naturally used his powers to extend the amount of time he had into the amount of time he needed. He would have to be a complete noob not to! Is that better B? There is the possibility that his father has the same ability, but based on the other Heroes, the chances are minute. Dealing with Hiro's possible aging is getting into multiple possibilities. I believe futur Hiro has been shown that Hiro does age. I would say that when he is in place in time he is aging normally. He is however at least 6 months older than everyone else. Ando would be a few days older due to his time spent in the future. The main question is what happens to Hiro when he stops time. Does he enter a state of temporal flux where he is unaffected by time while time does not move around him, so while time has stopped his aging has stopped. Also what is the extent of his powers. Does he completely freeze the entire space-time continuum or merely an area around him. If he does freeze it completely what about people who would be able to notice this, such as Peter who due to his contact with future Hiro would make him able to exist outside of time as Hiro. Would he need to be in proximity to hiro for this to work? Lots of possibilities and questions to ask. Most probably won't get answered because if they go too sci-fi into lots of detail early on you could start to turn people off of the show. And yes Hiro would be very smart to receive instruction from his father and then train in the technique with time frozen afterwards. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. This comment was edited by Buzz on May 17 2007 01:20am. |
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El Vee For - Student 
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I wish I could train with my dad for an hour and become an epic swordsman Ahem, they can both stop time. What is an hour to you could be weeks to them. I am sure that the writers of the show were well aware that learning a simple Katana Kata could take months.  unlikely. No two heroes have been shown to have the same abilities yet. And the powers of the parent do not translate to being the powers of the children. I will reconsider... ...Since Hiro can stop time and travel through time it isn't unreasonable to think that he is infact older than any calendar could possibly measure. With the brief trips he has made through time its entirely possible that Hiro doesn't even know his true age, he certainly can't use a birthday to measure it. If Hiro truly wanted to learn sword technique in time to stop Sylar he would have naturally used his powers to extend the amount of time he had into the amount of time he needed. He would have to be a complete noob not to! Is that better B? _______________ “Arguing on the internet is like competing in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you’re still retarded.” |
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I wish I could train with my dad for an hour and become an epic swordsman Ahem, they can both stop time. What is an hour to you could be weeks to them. I am sure that the writers of the show were well aware that learning a simple Katana Kata could take months. Hiro can stop time so both of them can move freely, maybe he did that. I liked the comment when Micah said: I have a cousin who eats like you, he's huge. Candice - So am I Elevator music ftw!! and Yatta! that evil guy Thompson died, he was an eyesore. This comment was edited by Rosie on May 16 2007 11:57am. |
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Buzz - Student 
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I wish I could train with my dad for an hour and become an epic swordsman Ahem, they can both stop time. What is an hour to you could be weeks to them. I am sure that the writers of the show were well aware that learning a simple Katana Kata could take months. unlikely. No two heroes have been shown to have the same abilities yet. And the powers of the parent do not translate to being the powers of the children. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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El Vee For - Student
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Quote: I wish I could train with my dad for an hour and become an epic swordsman Ahem, they can both stop time. What is an hour to you could be weeks to them. I am sure that the writers of the show were well aware that learning a simple Katana Kata could take months. _______________ “Arguing on the internet is like competing in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you’re still retarded.” This comment was edited by El Vee For on May 16 2007 05:51am. |
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Buzz - Student
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Apparently Takei actually is quite skilled with a sword too. So if he's following any choreography instead of actual moves, its likely done by him. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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Fire - Student 
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I wish I could train with my dad for an hour and become an epic swordsman |
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yeah that was pretty cool. towards the end hiro was looking pretty skilled. i'm looking forward to next week. seems like peter vs sylar pt 2. |
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R2D2 - Staff 
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b00m!!!
I liked the part with Hiro and his father training. _______________ "Do or do not, there is no try" Jedi Master Yoda Dual Saberist This comment was edited by R2D2 on May 15 2007 05:52pm. |
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xAnAtOs - Student |
this show rocks so much ugh _______________ Brother to Luke Skywalker and (SKX) Dark Blade
Lag Brother to Acey Spadey
Jools is my best friend.
<Henkes> nebody feeling like abusing me with a lightsaber?|+Smilykrazy grabs Gradius, beats the living CRAP out of him, then throws him into a huge vat of ACID |
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Buzz - Student
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I think we've just established that the future actually can be changed. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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R2D2 - Staff 
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Quote: Also just realised this as I was typing... the parallel between Molly and the kid in X-men who suppresses peoples powers. Didn't we already have that link with the Haitian? People can't use their powers around him. Molly's condition thus far only applies to herself.
I think Molly has a similar genetic condition as Shanti, Mohinder's sister. This condition surpresses her ability to use her superpower (locate other people with powers). If there was a way to replicate this genetic condition/virus, it could act as a "cure," similar to the one seen in X-men 3. From the episode set in the future, Mohinder eventually develops a vaccine (forgot what they/Nathan called it) that leads to genocide, so it could be inferred that Molly Walker's current genetic condition was a critical component to this "vaccine." _______________ "Do or do not, there is no try" Jedi Master Yoda Dual Saberist |
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ah right.. i always just assumed hiro had the power to stop time but still be able to un-freeze whoever he needed to talk to, but that makes more sense. _______________ Brother to Luke Skywalker and (SKX) Dark Blade
Lag Brother to Acey Spadey
Jools is my best friend.
<Henkes> nebody feeling like abusing me with a lightsaber?|+Smilykrazy grabs Gradius, beats the living CRAP out of him, then throws him into a huge vat of ACID |
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Buzz - Student
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Quote: So when he meets Hiro on the train shouldn't that power have manifested itself in some way as well? There hasn't been even a hint of it so far
Yes it did manifest. That's why everyone else was frozen in time yet Hiro and Peter were talking. It had an immediate effect, just like with the invisible man. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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xAnAtOs - Student |
Roger, but about the Peter thing I'm still a little unconvinced. Every time he's come near a person with a power he's absorbed it from them straight away, usually with difficulty controlling it. So that's Claire, Parkman, Nathan, invisible guy, Sylar, Isaac (with less difficulty) and the moment he got near Ted in that last episode his hands started burning up. So when he meets Hiro on the train shouldn't that power have manifested itself in some way as well? There hasn't been even a hint of it so far.
Also just realised this as I was typing... the parallel between Molly and the kid in X-men who suppresses peoples powers. Didn't we already have that link with the Haitian? People can't use their powers around him. Molly's condition thus far only applies to herself. _______________ Brother to Luke Skywalker and (SKX) Dark Blade
Lag Brother to Acey Spadey
Jools is my best friend.
<Henkes> nebody feeling like abusing me with a lightsaber?|+Smilykrazy grabs Gradius, beats the living CRAP out of him, then throws him into a huge vat of ACID This comment was edited by xAnAtOs on May 11 2007 02:53am. |
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Monteeeeeee - Nugget 
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remember in the future peter comes in and rescues them using hiro's power to stop time and then teleport them out of there before parkman can shoot them _______________ If you add me to MSN, tell me who you are
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Buzz - Student
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Quote: Just watched the latest episode... few things came to mind:
1) How did Sylar stop Hiro from cutting him up? Did Hiro just chicken out? Actually, shouldn't the whole Sylar business just end with Hiro? If his sword's broken why can't he just get a knife or something, stop time again and then kill Sylar? 2) Why is it that Peter can absorb everyones powers but not Hiros? Why can't he stop time as well? 3) At the end of the ep Peter goes looking for Ted and Bennett... did he bring those two back after Claire cried or did they just *happen* to run into each other? Kind of a huge coincidence to bump into them in the middle of New York, right? It can happen though I guess. 4) Same as R2, Molly reminded me of Cerebro and that kid who neutralises peoples powers in X-men. Also, Candice is pretty awesome. She's got this dangerousness about her but with a big smile on her face. Sylar didn't stop Hiro's power. Hiro was so nervous that he lost control. Peter likely has absorbed Hiro's power, he just hasn't figured out how to use it properly. Where Bennet and co. have run into claire and peter is the location that Linderman's operation in New York is located. There's no random coincidence there, peter believes that's ground zero and bennett believes that's where they need to go. There are plenty of x-men comparisons. But then X-men has a huge list of mutants with almost ever conceivable power. The reason it clicks so quickly with x-men is because of the nature of the gaining the powers: evolutionary mutation. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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R2D2 - Staff
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Alex, believe the locator system is called the "walker system" (Molly Walker)  _______________ "Do or do not, there is no try" Jedi Master Yoda Dual Saberist |
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R2D2 - Staff
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Quote: Just watched the latest episode... few things came to mind:
1) How did Sylar stop Hiro from cutting him up? Did Hiro just chicken out? Actually, shouldn't the whole Sylar business just end with Hiro? If his sword's broken why can't he just get a knife or something, stop time again and then kill Sylar? 2) Why is it that Peter can absorb everyones powers but not Hiros? Why can't he stop time as well? 3) At the end of the ep Peter goes looking for Ted and Bennett... did he bring those two back after Claire cried or did they just *happen* to run into each other? Kind of a huge coincidence to bump into them in the middle of New York, right? It can happen though I guess. 4) Same as R2, Molly reminded me of Cerebro and that kid who neutralises peoples powers in X-men. Also, Candice is pretty awesome. She's got this dangerousness about her but with a big smile on her face. 1) Pretty sure Hiro chickened out. He couldn't kill someone who was trying to repent, and when the time came to do it, he couldn't bring himself to kill Sylar. I think Sylar broke out of the time freeze for 1 or 2 seconds, but this could have been because the sword touched him? As for the sword, Hiro believes it helps him control his powers and focus them. Channels his superpower in a way? I'm pretty sure I saw Hiro's dad in the preview, perhaps he'll help him with the sword. 2) Peter can stop time and teleport like Hiro, just that he hasn't learned to control those powers very well yet. The future Peter is rather pro at Hiro's powers. 3) Yea, I thought it was a coincidence as well. Maybe we missed something earlier in the Peter-Claire conversations? _______________ "Do or do not, there is no try" Jedi Master Yoda Dual Saberist |
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Alex Dkana - Staff
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1) The way i saw it Hiro lost concentration as he tried to kill Sylar (he is not a killer at this point remember), thus his power stopped. A similar thing happened when he went to kiss Charlie and he ended up in Japan because he lost control. For Hiro control and concentration seem to be everything. As for the other thing, Hiro still believes he can only truly access his power by using the sword.
2) Peter could stop time in the future. Has he even met Hiro in the past yet? They have spoken but keep getting prevented from meeting, like in Texas. If they have then presumably its one of the powers Pete hasn't been able to learn to control yet. 3) Ted, Matt and Bennet are looking for the 'walking locater' thing at that point, i have a feeling it will turn out to be in the office of the company that is in that square of New York (where Suresh is), in fact i think it will be that girl Suresh just saved. Candice is a coolio character although i fear she may not be around by the end of the series if Sylar finds her like he did in the future However in the future Sylar also had DL and Nathan's powers... _______________ To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield | Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken | Rhaiko D'kana - SWTOR EU Guild Co-Founder | Is it what the teacher, teaches? Or what the student learns? A Dkana |
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xAnAtOs - Student |
Just watched the latest episode... few things came to mind:
1) How did Sylar stop Hiro from cutting him up? Did Hiro just chicken out? Actually, shouldn't the whole Sylar business just end with Hiro? If his sword's broken why can't he just get a knife or something, stop time again and then kill Sylar? 2) Why is it that Peter can absorb everyones powers but not Hiros? Why can't he stop time as well? 3) At the end of the ep Peter goes looking for Ted and Bennett... did he bring those two back after Claire cried or did they just *happen* to run into each other? Kind of a huge coincidence to bump into them in the middle of New York, right? It can happen though I guess. 4) Same as R2, Molly reminded me of Cerebro and that kid who neutralises peoples powers in X-men. Also, Candice is pretty awesome. She's got this dangerousness about her but with a big smile on her face. _______________ Brother to Luke Skywalker and (SKX) Dark Blade
Lag Brother to Acey Spadey
Jools is my best friend.
<Henkes> nebody feeling like abusing me with a lightsaber?|+Smilykrazy grabs Gradius, beats the living CRAP out of him, then throws him into a huge vat of ACID |
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