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Who's Your favourite guitar player ?
I've been a fan of John 5 before he made his solo albums and even more after. John 5 Playing a bit from what i believe is Sugar Foot Rag. _______________ Bored of Psu Back to Gw I apologise in advance to all the people that will take offense to me saying my opinion. |
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SaZ - Student 
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Quote: You mean to say your post was diplomatic ?
lol you do realise that discussing about what diplomacy is actually not diplomatic either? _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana This comment was edited by SaZ on May 17 2007 06:20pm. |
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Shar - Ex-Student 
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You mean to say your post was diplomatic ? _______________ Bored of Psu Back to Gw I apologise in advance to all the people that will take offense to me saying my opinion. |
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Virtue - Jedi Council 
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Quote: Actually i didn't start this argument if you took the time to read it you would understand that
 You see now, that, right there is what I'm getting at. You could have said: "I didn't actually start an argument here, something that someone else said sparked my interest and I wanted to talk about it" But instead you chose to insult my intelligence by saying: "...if you took the time to read it, you would understand that", even getting personal with me for making a neutral post. What's that about? Just be diplomatic about your posts instead of making things personal. No excuses. - Virtue.  _______________ Academy Architect |
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Shar - Ex-Student
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Actually i didn't start this argument if you took the time to read it you would understand that _______________ Bored of Psu Back to Gw I apologise in advance to all the people that will take offense to me saying my opinion. |
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Virtue - Jedi Council
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OMG!
MORE IN DEPTH DEBATE THREADS!! I GOT AN IDEA!! LETS COMBINE THEM LOLOLOMFGLOL!!!11!1! WHAT IF JESUS PLAYED GUITAR?! WOULD YOU BELIEVE IN HIM THEN?? Yes, it's sarcasm. I can understand why the Religion thread got into a debate... but this? What's going on, guys? Ok, let me just say: If you create a thread that asks a simple question, it's expected that people reply to it, stay on topic and just answer the question. But if you're going to reply to your own thread with statements that provide a conflict to the answers that people have given to the question that you asked in the first place, and then tell them to just stick to the original criteria because they reacted to your replies - you're not doing yourself, or the community any favours. If you want specific results from a thread, then you'll need to be pretty specific in your original post. Not trying to slate you or single you out here, Shar. In fact, this is more of a generalisation to everyone who wants to make a thread.
We like diplomacy here at the JA. 
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Shar - Ex-Student
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Quote: Well if you are trying to state your own opinion quoting someone else while stating the direct opposite or trying to refute their opinions will more than often lead into a discussion.
If you where only interested in saying what you think why try to start up a arguemnt ? And ill respect it if it's your opinion but i can't say i agree with you. _______________ Bored of Psu Back to Gw I apologise in advance to all the people that will take offense to me saying my opinion. |
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planK - Jedi Council 
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Shar, I'm too tired to pick apart what you're saying, but let me make this brief; if you can't deal with people's opinions, you need to stop making these threads and get off the internet. 
Malmsteen is a self indulgent musician. His music is repetitive and while technically and compositionally impressive, he has to make sure that he does his ridiculous phrygian shredding over what can sometimes be a great rhythm and melody, with that ugly, dirty overdriven sound that he uses. I like guitarists who can tell the story of the song with the music he is playing. That sure as hell isn't Malmsteen, or John 5, or any other "space age" guitarist. The only one I can really appreciate is Steve Vai, because he tries to achieve the creation of new sounds in his music, and also attempts to pay tribute to cultural music from around the world. So yeah. Guitarists without emotion, in my opinion, suck. Because you are such a poor conversationalist, I don't think i'll be check this thread again. Have fun arguing the toss over nothing! |
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Shar - Ex-Student
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Well if you are trying to state your own opinion quoting someone else while stating the direct opposite or trying to refute their opinions will more than often lead into a discussion.
If you where only interested in saying what you think why try to start up a arguemnt ? And ill respect it if it's your opinion but i can't say i agree with you. _______________ Bored of Psu Back to Gw I apologise in advance to all the people that will take offense to me saying my opinion. |
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Kenyon - Lord of the Dance 
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Quote: If you are merely trying to state your own opinion why try to work against mine ?
I'm not trying to work against anyone. I simply have a different opinion. |
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Shar - Ex-Student
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If you are merely trying to state your own opinion why try to work against mine ? _______________ Bored of Psu Back to Gw I apologise in advance to all the people that will take offense to me saying my opinion. |
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Kenyon - Lord of the Dance
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Quote: This does not make any sense.
Yes, it does. In fact, you've provided the answer in your quote of Dictionary.com. Just because you don't understand it doesn't mean I'm talking nonsense. Quote: A person who excels in musical technique or execution.
Quote: Are you saying that because someone plays fast the music is simply based on flashy technique ?
Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. Some people focus on technical prowess and leave other important aspects of guitar playing underdeveloped. Quote: Who are you to say that this song or this person is all based around the fact that they are skilled. Also at what point does it go from "standard playing" to techincal flash ? Is their a certain Bpm you have to apply to ?
I'm not saying that. I'm sharing an observation that there are guitar players who overemphasize on technique. My word is not the gospel, and someone else can think otherwise. Technical flashiness is in the eye of the beholder, but I think it happens in certain musical styles far more. Quote: Who are you once again to say what is unique? As you yourself state everyone's taste is different.
You seem to be under the presumption that I'm stating a fact, when time and again I've reiterated my whole opinion on great guitar playing is just that - opinion. It's no use in trying to start an argument when I've covered myself to begin with.
Quote: And you don't think the way to measure a guitar players talent is how the good they can play or create music ? Then what should we go after?
If they create good music they're good songwriters. How "good" they can play depends on many factors. Two guitarists can play the exact same solo and still be worlds apart in quality. Quote: Parody of himself ? Is this some way of saying he's a egomaniac ? If so how does that relate to him as a guitarist?
I suppose you haven't heard the term before. Being a parody of yourself means your public appearance has become an overexaggeration of your real persona. This manifests itself in your playing style as well. Quote: Then pick the one you are in the mood for today and the next when you are in another mood.
But that was not your question. Your question was simply: 'Who's your favorite?' I'd be lying if I listed just one. This comment was edited by Kenyon on May 17 2007 01:02pm. |
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SaZ - Student 
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Quote: Are you saying that because someone plays fast the music is simply based on flashy technique ?
most of times - yes. especially the malmsteen guy. they play so fast that it does not actually sound well apart from showing their OH SO AWESOME UBER FAST skills. playing music fast is alright, but there is always this line of 'overdoing it'. we are listening to music, not some demonstration of guitarists ego. guys like jimi hendrix can actually blend it with his uber guitar skills. thats what makes him the best guitarist ever. _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana This comment was edited by SaZ on May 17 2007 12:37pm. |
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Rosie - Student 
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Quote: I personally don't think
Quote: Who are you once again to say what is unique ?
See, it's his personal opinion, not everyones. |
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Shar - Ex-Student
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This does not make any sense.
Quote: Of course these guitarists can also provide an emotional experience to their listeners - but you can't deny their technique is based on virtuosity as opposed to the lyrical style of most blues-based guitarists. It's a very different way of playing the guitar, and they are also very different kinds of music.
vir·tu·o·so 1. a person who has special knowledge or skill in a field. 2. a person who excels in musical technique or execution. 3. a person who has a cultivated appreciation of artistic excellence, as a connoisseur or collector of objects of art, antiques, etc. 4. Obsolete. a person who has special interest or knowledge in the arts and sciences; scientist; scholar. From dictionary.com Are you saying that because someone plays fast the music is simply based on flashy technique ? As you have yourself stated taste in music is very different for person to person. Who are you to say that this song or this person is all based around the fact that they are skilled. Also at what point does it go from "standard playing" to techincal flash ? Is their a certain Bpm you have to apply to ? Some may say that Stevie Ray Vaughan is all flash while they consider Kirk Hammet's solo on unforgiven to be a great emotional piece despite the speed or technical nature of it. Quote: I personally don't think the mark of a great guitarist is their technical skill or even compositional abilities, although these are of course great bonuses. The mark of a great guitarist is the ability to bring a unique sound to a song, and tell a story with just his instrument. That's my opinion though - thankfully everyone's taste is different. Who are you once again to say what is unique ? As you yourself state everyone's taste is different. And you don't think the way to measure a guitar players talent is how the good they can play or create music ? Then what should we go after ? Quote: I've heard this excuse before, and it's just not true. If someone is negative about a certain guitarist, he can say so in exactly the same way you can praise a guitarist without going in-depth as to the why. You can just like or dislike a style. To be fair though, he did elaborate on Malmsteen's "parody of himself", which I think is a good observation.
Parody of himself ? Is this some way of saying he's a egomaniac ? If so how does that relate to him as a guitarist ? Quote: Admirable, but guitarists, like music in general, are so different from eachother it's hard to pick just one. People's tastes in music are often diverse, so we find it hard to pick out just a favorite when really it depends on our mood or even the time of day. Then pick the one you are in the mood for today and the next when you are in another mood. _______________ Bored of Psu Back to Gw I apologise in advance to all the people that will take offense to me saying my opinion. |
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Kenyon - Lord of the Dance
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Quote: Simply because you are not able to relate to it doesn't mean it's some form of template created composition.
Of course these guitarists can also provide an emotional experience to their listeners - but you can't deny their technique is based on virtuosity as opposed to the lyrical style of most blues-based guitarists. It's a very different way of playing the guitar, and they are also very different kinds of music. Quote: Malmsteen is a huge fan of Paganini and as one of the leaders of the wave of neo-classical shredding that hit the world around the 70-80's he has shown his abilites be it in technical skill or compositonal ability.
I personally don't think the mark of a great guitarist is their technical skill or even compositional abilities, although these are of course great bonuses. The mark of a great guitarist is the ability to bring a unique sound to a song, and tell a story with just his instrument. That's my opinion though - thankfully everyone's taste is different. Quote: Once again people can you please say something else than "Malmteens makes me wanna vomite" atleast say why he makes you wanna vomite. Anything else is just random flaming :/
I've heard this excuse before, and it's just not true. If someone is negative about a certain guitarist, he can say so in exactly the same way you can praise a guitarist without going in-depth as to the why. You can just like or dislike a style. To be fair though, he did elaborate on Malmsteen's "parody of himself", which I think is a good observation. Quote: And the reason i ask for one guitarist is because it's more fun to hear about one person someone admires than a bunch of famous names lined up.
Admirable, but guitarists, like music in general, are so different from eachother it's hard to pick just one. People's tastes in music are often diverse, so we find it hard to pick out just a favorite when really it depends on our mood or even the time of day. |
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Shar - Ex-Student
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What are you talking about saying john 5, malmsteen and the rest have no melody or feeling in their music ?
Simply because you are not able to relate to it doesn't mean it's some form of template created composition. John 5 fuses blues, bluegrass, rock and country seemlessly into great innovative music. Malmsteen is a huge fan of Paganini and as one of the leaders of the wave of neo-classical shredding that hit the world around the 70-80's he has shown his abilites be it in technical skill or compositonal ability. Once again people can you please say something else than "Malmteens makes me wanna vomite" atleast say why he makes you wanna vomite. Anything else is just random flaming :/ And the reason i ask for one guitarist is because it's more fun to hear about one person someone admires than a bunch of famous names lined up. _______________ Bored of Psu Back to Gw I apologise in advance to all the people that will take offense to me saying my opinion. |
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planK - Jedi Council
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Yngwie Malmsteen
just looking at him makes me vomit huge ammounts of... whatever. The scalloped fretboard is awesome though. If you do alot of string bending, it's fantastic. It's just difficult to keep perfect pitch though. You need a real delicate touch. But i'm a Stratocaster fanboy, anyway. That vintage white thing he's got going on is awesome. It's a shame that he is an utter parody of himself. |
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SaZ - Student
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Quote: Yngwie Malmsteen
just looking at him makes me vomit huge ammounts of... whatever. _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana |
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planK - Jedi Council
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Y'know why i've been totally turned off by John 5, Buckethead, Yngwie Malmsteen, etc? Because they have no soul. There is very little melody or emotion in their music.
I like more than one guitarist; deal with it. |
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SaZ - Student
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Quote: Pick one people
 why 
i think id choose Buckethead from the new ones and jimi hendrix from the oldies. buckethead : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pytlmRmxZkA jimi hendrix : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTBYjAUCCnE _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana This comment was edited by SaZ on May 16 2007 09:56pm. |
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Falor Windrider - Student 
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Eric Clapton _______________ Jedi Knight of the Jedi Order [JO] www.thejedi-order.com |
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Kenyon - Lord of the Dance 
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Or how about this one? |
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Shar - Ex-Student 
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Pick one people Also it would be nice to know a reason why you picked that one :> _______________ Bored of Psu Back to Gw I apologise in advance to all the people that will take offense to me saying my opinion. |
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SaZ - Student
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i like jimi hendrix, carlos santana, eric clapton, buckethead, jonny greenwood, matthew bellamy, tom morello... and many others. _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana |
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planK - Jedi Council
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Right now i'm really into Jimi Hendrix (I guess he was the first real "shredder!) but I also love Stevie Ray Vaughan, Eric Clapton, John Mayer, and a whole bunch of others. |
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