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planK - Jedi Council  |
Hey folks. As some of y'all may know, there's a bit of a recruitment crisis with the British Army at the moment. It's made a lot of folks, particularly in the service community, hope for the return of national service over here.
Now obviously folks will be dead set against it, but frankly I think it's a great thing. It'll help build character, and keep the yobs off the streets and put them to use. They'll also make a buck or two in the process. I know a few folks in the academy have a similar kind of service in their home country, and I was just wondering what you folks think of this thing.  |
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Buzz - Student 
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2 is easy. Its when you're following 4 or 5(sometimes more) multiple topics, responding to each one, keeping all points separate and within the respective context, can it start to get complex. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. This comment was edited by Buzz on Jul 06 2007 11:56pm. |
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planK - Jedi Council 
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We rock, like a stone! HAW HAW HAW! |
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Menaxia - Student 
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some ppl are talented in that direction i guess _______________ This is not the place to look for me |
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Augusta_Mintaka - Student 
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I don't think I could ever maintain two debates at the same time. _______________ "Deos fortioribus adesse." |
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planK - Jedi Council 
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Good God. They have not had more time. Jesus Christ are you really this thickheaded? They've got the SAME qualifications. My example would be in the military service wasn't even related to the job. That would probably mean that the military person is a bit older because they spent time in the military before going to school.
Once again, two people with the SAME qualifications except one has served, ALL OTHER THINGS BEING EQUAL, the one who served would probably get the job. All other things being equal ? Did this person serve while time was standing still ? Or does he simply not age ? Now you're nitpicking because you don't have half a bloody clue what you're talking about. Btw, I think what Buzz MEANT to say was that Sweden's military is not considered a major military force, unlike Canada, the UK, the US, Australia etc.  |
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Menaxia - Student 
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And the award for the most IRRELEVANT POST goes to:
*drum roll* SHAR! _______________ This is not the place to look for me |
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Shar - Ex-Student 
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Quote: Good God. They have not had more time. Jesus Christ are you really this thickheaded? They've got the SAME qualifications. My example would be in the military service wasn't even related to the job. That would probably mean that the military person is a bit older because they spent time in the military before going to school.
Once again, two people with the SAME qualifications except one has served, ALL OTHER THINGS BEING EQUAL, the one who served would probably get the job. All other things being equal ? Did this person serve while time was standing still ? Or does he simply not age ? _______________ Bored of Psu Back to Gw I apologise in advance to all the people that will take offense to me saying my opinion. |
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Buzz - Student 
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Good God. They have not had more time. Jesus Christ are you really this thickheaded? They've got the SAME qualifications. My example would be in the military service wasn't even related to the job. That would probably mean that the military person is a bit older because they spent time in the military before going to school.
Once again, two people with the SAME qualifications except one has served, ALL OTHER THINGS BEING EQUAL, the one who served would probably get the job. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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Shar - Ex-Student
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Also can you make a single post anywhere where you do not talk down to someone's intelligence or otherwise at all ? Not quite the personality most would look for in a moderator.
I'd say "pot. kettle. black." But compared to you I'm only slightly gray. You really are completely clueless on the issue, so how about you stop talking about things you don't know about, which would likely be anything dealing with the US military, and actually accept that I might know what I'm talking about. Notice how I don't even bother to talk about how things are in your worthless little country. When I say the same qualifications to most people with a functioning brain that would mean everything is the same. That means education experience, all that other jazz, and the only difference being that one served in the military. That means they both spent the same amount of time studying and learning. If you don't even know what the definition of "same" is why should anyone bother trying to explain anything to you? You are unfair comparing them then with one who has had more time than the other. Also Sweden is a worthless little country ? Hardwired might disagree but who knows. _______________ Bored of Psu Back to Gw I apologise in advance to all the people that will take offense to me saying my opinion. This comment was edited by Shar on Jul 06 2007 11:34pm. |
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Buzz - Student
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Quote: Also can you make a single post anywhere where you do not talk down to someone's intelligence or otherwise at all ? Not quite the personality most would look for in a moderator.
I'd say "pot. kettle. black." But compared to you I'm only slightly gray. You really are completely clueless on the issue, so how about you stop talking about things you don't know about, which would likely be anything dealing with the US military, and actually accept that I might know what I'm talking about. Notice how I don't even bother to talk about how things are in your worthless little country. When I say the same qualifications to most people with a functioning brain that would mean everything is the same. That means education experience, all that other jazz, and the only difference being that one served in the military. That means they both spent the same amount of time studying and learning. If you don't even know what the definition of "same" is why should anyone bother trying to explain anything to you? _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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Shar - Ex-Student
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How does learning how to serve in combat make you more self sufficent ?
You obviously don't know anything about what training people in the military goes through. Reinstituting the draft in the US would be a major hassle, even though our infrastructure to do it still exists, and is required to exist by our laws. The nature of the US military has made it pointless to do this because of the training now required. Just as you are finally ready to actually start serving fully your draft service would pretty much be up. Having an all volunteer army, means you know everyone in it wants to be there, they know what it entails, and they all signed the dotted line and are there by their own choice. There are also non combat roles one can take in the military. Roles that when they leave the service will give them skills and the ability to get a job for life. And having "Served in the military" on your resume is a big plus to most employers. My best friend right now is in training in the Navy, and when he's done with it this will be true of him, and he'll likely never fire a weapon while on active duty, besides for training purposes. All that being said and my disagreement with conscription into the military. Were the draft reinstituted today, I would likely be signing up before being drafted. Then please tell me of how it works oh wise one. And wouldn't theese so called noncombat roles be better taught at a school or facility that specializes in the profession and thoose that would try to search a job as such a proffesion have higher chances with a education from such a place ? Also saying people whom have served or being trained in the military have somekind of better credit when searching for a job is entirely based on the line of work they are searching and the education and experience they earn from this can not compare to what they could have gotten from further education spanning the same length of time. Well let's see you can go to school and pay a ton of money to learn to be a nuclear engineer, or you can enlist in the navy and learn it for free, be paid to learn it, and get actual experience on a nuclear reactor. You can go in as a combat medic, hell even just as a doctor or nurse, again learning that for free. Working with communications, satellites, God knows what else. Hell in the US, even regular grunts can get a great education. One of the things the military has is that when you are done with your service, they will pay for your college education, so even if all you did was learn to point and shoot a rifle, you can get a great job out of that. Of course no one in the military learns only how to point a rifle, and after a year, are probably more skilled, more capable, and smarter than you will ever hope to be in your life. And for your second paragraph, you are simply wrong. Serving in the military can say an awful lot about the character of an individual. If two people were to apply for the job with the exact same qualifications, except one served, they would likely get the job, even if it had nothing to do with their military role. For instance, a military officer likely has leadership experience which can be applied to almost any job. A normal soldier, has experience working in a group which can also be applied to almost any job. I have no idea how it works in the US but in sweden i have yet to find a education that i can't get for free as part of me getting educated. Everything from Civilian Enginer (Not quite sure thats the correct translation) and Doctor are free for anyone who is willing to learn during their time growing up. Also if two people with the same qualifications apply for a job but one of them has served and the other hasen't then that person has spent more time learning. You would have to have one person that has served vs someone who has spent the same length of time the other did serving, educating himself further for your point to make any sense. And then it fails. Also can you make a single post anywhere where you do not talk down to someone's intelligence or otherwise at all ? Not quite the personality most would look for in a moderator. _______________ Bored of Psu Back to Gw I apologise in advance to all the people that will take offense to me saying my opinion. |
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Buzz - Student
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How does learning how to serve in combat make you more self sufficent ?
You obviously don't know anything about what training people in the military goes through. Reinstituting the draft in the US would be a major hassle, even though our infrastructure to do it still exists, and is required to exist by our laws. The nature of the US military has made it pointless to do this because of the training now required. Just as you are finally ready to actually start serving fully your draft service would pretty much be up. Having an all volunteer army, means you know everyone in it wants to be there, they know what it entails, and they all signed the dotted line and are there by their own choice. There are also non combat roles one can take in the military. Roles that when they leave the service will give them skills and the ability to get a job for life. And having "Served in the military" on your resume is a big plus to most employers. My best friend right now is in training in the Navy, and when he's done with it this will be true of him, and he'll likely never fire a weapon while on active duty, besides for training purposes. All that being said and my disagreement with conscription into the military. Were the draft reinstituted today, I would likely be signing up before being drafted. Then please tell me of how it works oh wise one. And wouldn't theese so called noncombat roles be better taught at a school or facility that specializes in the profession and thoose that would try to search a job as such a proffesion have higher chances with a education from such a place ? Also saying people whom have served or being trained in the military have somekind of better credit when searching for a job is entirely based on the line of work they are searching and the education and experience they earn from this can not compare to what they could have gotten from further education spanning the same length of time. Well let's see you can go to school and pay a ton of money to learn to be a nuclear engineer, or you can enlist in the navy and learn it for free, be paid to learn it, and get actual experience on a nuclear reactor. You can go in as a combat medic, hell even just as a doctor or nurse, again learning that for free. Working with communications, satellites, God knows what else. Hell in the US, even regular grunts can get a great education. One of the things the military has is that when you are done with your service, they will pay for your college education, so even if all you did was learn to point and shoot a rifle, you can get a great job out of that. Of course no one in the military learns only how to point a rifle, and after a year, are probably more skilled, more capable, and smarter than you will ever hope to be in your life. And for your second paragraph, you are simply wrong. Serving in the military can say an awful lot about the character of an individual. If two people were to apply for the job with the exact same qualifications, except one served, they would likely get the job, even if it had nothing to do with their military role. For instance, a military officer likely has leadership experience which can be applied to almost any job. A normal soldier, has experience working in a group which can also be applied to almost any job. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. This comment was edited by Buzz on Jul 06 2007 11:19pm. |
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planK - Jedi Council
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How does learning how to serve in combat make you more self sufficent ?
You obviously don't know anything about what training people in the military goes through. Reinstituting the draft in the US would be a major hassle, even though our infrastructure to do it still exists, and is required to exist by our laws. The nature of the US military has made it pointless to do this because of the training now required. Just as you are finally ready to actually start serving fully your draft service would pretty much be up. Having an all volunteer army, means you know everyone in it wants to be there, they know what it entails, and they all signed the dotted line and are there by their own choice. There are also non combat roles one can take in the military. Roles that when they leave the service will give them skills and the ability to get a job for life. And having "Served in the military" on your resume is a big plus to most employers. My best friend right now is in training in the Navy, and when he's done with it this will be true of him, and he'll likely never fire a weapon while on active duty, besides for training purposes. All that being said and my disagreement with conscription into the military. Were the draft reinstituted today, I would likely be signing up before being drafted. Then please tell me of how it works oh wise one. And wouldn't theese so called noncombat roles be better taught at a school or facility that specializes in the profession and thoose that would try to search a job as such a proffesion have higher chances with a education from such a place ? Also saying people whom have served or being trained in the military have somekind of better credit when searching for a job is entirely based on the line of work they are searching and the education and experience they earn from this can not compare to what they could have gotten from further education spanning the same length of time. Military services such as the US army and British army DO have these kinds of schools. There are establishments to train people in all trades of the army. For example, combat engineers train in one facility, while chefs train in the army's catering school (Which is held in high regard throughout the world, I might add!) Beyond this, they teach the essential skills required of a professional soldier; skill at arms, field craft, navigation, personal administration and discipline, etc. Also, whilst learning their chosen trade and acquiring civilian recognised qualifications, they learn skills applicable to their trade in the army (For example, a chef would learn how to assemble a field kitchen or build a makeshift oven) Also, as far as civilian employers liking people who've served, it's down to the fact that folks from the military not only possess their trade skills, but also VERY high standards of personal administration and discipline, as well as a strong work ethic. |
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Shar - Ex-Student 
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How does learning how to serve in combat make you more self sufficent ?
You obviously don't know anything about what training people in the military goes through. Reinstituting the draft in the US would be a major hassle, even though our infrastructure to do it still exists, and is required to exist by our laws. The nature of the US military has made it pointless to do this because of the training now required. Just as you are finally ready to actually start serving fully your draft service would pretty much be up. Having an all volunteer army, means you know everyone in it wants to be there, they know what it entails, and they all signed the dotted line and are there by their own choice. There are also non combat roles one can take in the military. Roles that when they leave the service will give them skills and the ability to get a job for life. And having "Served in the military" on your resume is a big plus to most employers. My best friend right now is in training in the Navy, and when he's done with it this will be true of him, and he'll likely never fire a weapon while on active duty, besides for training purposes. All that being said and my disagreement with conscription into the military. Were the draft reinstituted today, I would likely be signing up before being drafted. Then please tell me of how it works oh wise one. And wouldn't theese so called noncombat roles be better taught at a school or facility that specializes in the profession and thoose that would try to search a job as such a proffesion have higher chances with a education from such a place ? Also saying people whom have served or being trained in the military have somekind of better credit when searching for a job is entirely based on the line of work they are searching and the education and experience they earn from this can not compare to what they could have gotten from further education spanning the same length of time. _______________ Bored of Psu Back to Gw I apologise in advance to all the people that will take offense to me saying my opinion. |
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Buzz - Student
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Quote: How does learning how to serve in combat make you more self sufficent ?
You obviously don't know anything about what training people in the military goes through. Reinstituting the draft in the US would be a major hassle, even though our infrastructure to do it still exists, and is required to exist by our laws. The nature of the US military has made it pointless to do this because of the training now required. Just as you are finally ready to actually start serving fully your draft service would pretty much be up. Having an all volunteer army, means you know everyone in it wants to be there, they know what it entails, and they all signed the dotted line and are there by their own choice. There are also non combat roles one can take in the military. Roles that when they leave the service will give them skills and the ability to get a job for life. And having "Served in the military" on your resume is a big plus to most employers. My best friend right now is in training in the Navy, and when he's done with it this will be true of him, and he'll likely never fire a weapon while on active duty, besides for training purposes. All that being said and my disagreement with conscription into the military. Were the draft reinstituted today, I would likely be signing up before being drafted. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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Shar - Ex-Student
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How does learning how to serve in combat make you more self sufficent ? _______________ Bored of Psu Back to Gw I apologise in advance to all the people that will take offense to me saying my opinion. |
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Monteeeeeee - Nugget 
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I agree it should be done tbh, It can improve your job aspects and future thoughts, make your more self sufficient etc... im all for it _______________ If you add me to MSN, tell me who you are
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planK - Jedi Council
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Aye, but regardless of whether they're training or on operations, they're still in the service and don't have much say in it. |
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Shar - Ex-Student
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Well actually no some country's call national service the training thing while some call it the compulsory recruitment. _______________ Bored of Psu Back to Gw I apologise in advance to all the people that will take offense to me saying my opinion. |
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planK - Jedi Council
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Quote: So conscription then ?
It's all the same thing; involuntary service. |
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Shar - Ex-Student
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So conscription then ? _______________ Bored of Psu Back to Gw I apologise in advance to all the people that will take offense to me saying my opinion. |
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planK - Jedi Council
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Quote: Are you talking about conscription or merely everyone having to go trough military training (In sweden this also requires that you are already in good shape Physically and Mentally etc. Due to the high amounts of people willing to do it which has lead to the army not being able to take on everyone.)
Well, certainly in the British army training a soldier and sending him on his way would make very little sense, considering the cost of training a soldier (Especially in some specialist trades!) and not having them around to use it. I'm talking about the kind of national service where you serve in the Army on a short-term basis (a year or two) as opposed to the volunteer engagement of four years. |
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Shar - Ex-Student
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Are you talking about conscription or merely everyone having to go trough military training (In sweden this also requires that you are already in good shape Physically and Mentally etc. Due to the high amounts of people willing to do it which has lead to the army not being able to take on everyone.) _______________ Bored of Psu Back to Gw I apologise in advance to all the people that will take offense to me saying my opinion. |
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agreed with ventral. completely against it and i shouldnt have to waste my life fighting wars my dumbass gov got me into in the first place, assuming that's the case. also, joining the army is one out of a million ways to build character, and all the qualities you develop there you can just as easily develop elsewhere. im in this country to live my life, not fight wars certain politicians started to push their own agendas forward. _______________ Brother to Luke Skywalker and (SKX) Dark Blade 
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Ventrel - Student 
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I happen to be a British and Singaporean citizen and I have to say I do not like the idea of spending 2 years of my life in national service which is the case in Singapore. |
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