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Fullmetal D'Kana - Jedi Instructor  |
Team Whoracle presents you with this AMAZING frag highlight video, entitled Cyclone, which you can get Here
So what exactly is in it? Cyclone is a compilation of team Whoracle's (the team which yours truly, CTF Captain of the JAA, belongs to) amazing skills in CTF. Flag carrier kill after flag carrier kill. While I, myself, do not have that many frags in the video due to being new to the team when they were accepting frags, there are still TJA Alumni other than myself represented. Most notably is former auroch, friend to all and brother to me, Septimo aka Aiden D'Kana. You will also notice former auroch, and former JAT, also loved by all and also like a brother to me, Rebel aka Wolfwood. These guys have a crazy amount of shots in the video especially when you compare it to my 8 (  )
The video was compiled by two of the best men you will ever meet, Nico and Tritoch, co-founders of team Whoracle, and Legendary CTFers. If you guys ever get the chance to hop on the CTF pug servers even if just to meet these guys, you won't regret it. I wouldn't be half the player I am today were it not for these two. Featured in the video is all of the current team Whoracle(minus two of our newer members who joined just after the video's final stages): Nico Tritoch Septimo Rebel Ed Starnox Bill Fullmetal(THATS ME!!!!!!!!!!!!  )
The two not featured, yet just as valued, members are: Meatwad Khazad If you miss out on this video, you will regret it, the amount of Mid Air shots in it is utterly ridiculous! This is the stuff JKA Legends are made of. 
Download it here! _______________ |
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Wolfwood - Student 
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Quote: Definitely, but it's not a big deal unless the circumstances were extreme; i.e. completely 'staged' kills as in pre-planned movement, or on the other hand, kills that have been done in very important matches against very skilled players etc.
We're talking pre-planned movement here  . In Lagged you can see it very clearly at the opening sequence where he takes the flag and runs along killing people that jump around. In Avalon a similar concept can be seen. In a lot of shots, people are jumping extremely high on purpose to provoke the so called air shots. Some of those cases even involed two players being on a Teamspeak server and going: "Hey jump up so I can air you". That does not mean those guys don't know how to shoot, because you still have to manage to hit the person, even if you know they are going to jump. It just takes away some of that 'magical feeling' if you know what I mean
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Masta - Jedi Council 
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You guys have a rather broad idea of what the concept of something being 'staged' entails. For me, 'staged' implies a pre-planned action or occurrence as a means to enhance or introduce a dramatic effect; it's an instance of play acting, as opposed to an actually genuine expression of spontaneity.
As such, i do not consider playing on specific servers with specific people under specific circumstances an instance of 'staging' the kills - it's just playing in a specific, selected environment. That kind of environment may or may not increase the likelihood of something awesome happening (by giving certain players unfair advantages or whatever), but that doesn't make the resulting action 'staged' by any means - there's no plan laid out that tells where, when and how certain players are supposed to move; it still includes a great deal of chance, skill and spontaneous expression. Besides, does knowledge how, where, when and under what circumstances the kills have been done affect the overall aesthetic value of them? Definitely, but it's not a big deal unless the circumstances were extreme; i.e. completely 'staged' kills as in pre-planned movement, or on the other hand, kills that have been done in very important matches against very skilled players etc. Quote: Aside from making sure the frags were perfectly synched, and the transitions were smooth and enjoyable, tritoch and nico went for a minimalist approach to editing. They wanted viewers to focus on the content (which is entirely real from actual pugs or matches and if I'm not mistaken the demos still exist if you are skeptical to the point you would require proof ) not the eye candy.
Minimalism is ok, but it can denote a lack of time or effort. Overdoing effects is just as bad as not including any at all though - i think the ideal would be somewhere in between, so that you could go "wow these guys are awesome editors AND extremly good players" at the same time. _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. This comment was edited by Masta on Jan 29 2008 08:43am. |
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Augusta_Mintaka - Student 
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Honestly lagged seemed pretty at par what he was capable of in his usual matches. I played with him in JK2 for a good sum of my time in CTF. Although I did take my 2 year break a little before that video was even shot. So I just went by the assumption that since he was well capable of the shots, he could have very well made the video legit.
I guess if it was stagged then that's that. Although that would be a 3 sided contrast here
Well atleast iS or Roq wasn't stagged; too bad though, back then it was pretty common to see nice shots. People must not have been patient enough to sit through a dozen matches for 3 minutes of video. _______________ "Deos fortioribus adesse." |
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Fullmetal D'Kana - Jedi Instructor 
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Ahhh Mudvayne, <3 him
Unfortunately, what wolfwood and divine says is true, even Mudvayne will attest that the majority of the shots in his video were staged. It is simply a well known fact in the CTF community. That is not to say, however, that it is not enjoyable. Sometimes you need to be unrealistic to appeal to a group of people, after all alot of CTF'ers aren't going to be impressed by seeing shots they see in PUGs and Matches all the time. Avalon, as well, was mainly staged shots. 90 percent of the CTFers will tell you this, including a good majority of the players featured in avalon. Again that is not to say there were not any real shots in Avalon, I believe most of resist's shots in it were from PUGs as well as the pistol at mid by cult (Although that shot was entirely luck and even he will say that XD). The selling point of Lagged and Avalon, was the video editing and the eye candy factor of never before seen shots, whether real or not. Cyclone went in a different direction. Aside from making sure the frags were perfectly synched, and the transitions were smooth and enjoyable, tritoch and nico went for a minimalist approach to editing. They wanted viewers to focus on the content (which is entirely real from actual pugs or matches and if I'm not mistaken the demos still exist if you are skeptical to the point you would require proof ) not the eye candy. Aside from the effects mod (which existed long before the video as team whoracle's private custom effects (now available to the public @ http://www.beyondsuppression.com)) there was nothing added to the vid to really make you go "wow this guy is an elite video editor". Instead you're meant to go "wow these guys are good at CTF" In fact, they didn't even accept shots that were hit on public CTF servers, only shots hit in PUGs or Matches. However, even with this approach tritoch and nico knew it takes unrealistic things to keep people's attention for the entire duration. Thats where the tricks section comes into play. As great as they are to watch and as sick as they look, they are NOT things you would see in a PUG or match. In short, Avalon and Lagged are great videos, yes, but they are in fact staged, for the most part. Cyclone may not have the editing the other two do, but the content is raw and amazing. I would recommend viewing all three if you had the time, but if you only will watch one, pick cyclone _______________
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Augusta_Mintaka - Student
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Up till Avalon, I kinda disagree I don't know most of the players on the Avalon video anyways. Although, mud was good and is usually the guy that lags  From what I could see, he doesn't seem to have much of a ping advantage. Maybe he had different pings for the different shots, but it looks legit.
Lagged was purely an example because it's the only video that I remember that's still hosted......I think. I'd love to see iSITES demos again, but those went down with their site probably. _______________ "Deos fortioribus adesse." This comment was edited by Augusta_Mintaka on Jan 27 2008 07:25pm. |
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Wolfwood - Student 
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Well known for having a big mouth  . Most of his shots were made on an australian server where he invited people to join to make his vid giving those players a huge disadvantage due to having a ping of 300+ . You can notice it as well in the long flagruns he makes and then shoots people as they 'jump in his rocket'. People don't move like that in CTF matches . As for Avalon... yea, most of them even admitted that 1/2 of the frags were made in training matches or on private servers. However that doesn't change that it's a cool movie with awesome editing . Cyclone is a 100 percent legit though!
Edit: oh yea, hello all, long time no see _______________ ~ Honor is a fool's prize. Glory is of no use to the dead ~ This comment was edited by Wolfwood on Jan 27 2008 10:55am. |
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Augusta_Mintaka - Student
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Really? For the most part Avalon's shots were pretty mild compared to some of the more upscale matches. I don't see a reason to stage it if you're not going to go for the good shots. I do disagree about most videos being stagged back then; Lagged for instance was made by muddy. He was a pretty well known player for his time. _______________ "Deos fortioribus adesse." |
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Mister Clutch - Student 
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Only difference is that all this shots in this video are real and not staged like in the other video's, specially in Avalon  . |
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Augusta_Mintaka - Student
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Heh, liked the trick shots with the rifle. Those are pretty hard to set up in real matches. Tritoch pulled off some pretty decent twitch shots too. Probably #3 or 4 in my book, way up there with Lagged, Avalon, eXcite vs iSITE and Roquets. Happy to see some new CTF shots that aren't just AoE, Glob and Point Blank. _______________ "Deos fortioribus adesse." |
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Masta - Jedi Council
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Second best CTF video i've ever had the pleasure to watch. It's amazing how many awesome frags tri managed to squeeze into that video - by far surpasses any compilation i have seen so far.
However, i was left a bit lacking after having finished it, as if there's something missing. Then i realized: there's not enough fanciness going on! I was expecting to see manifestations of tri's elite AE skills, but he didn't even use AE at all! That, and the slightly repetitive transitions are the only faults i can find - even though cyclone definitely surpasses avalon in content, it fails exactly at those points. In either case, the video is utterly nostalgic; definitely worth the watch. Oh and, next to nico, sept had the most and most awesome frags - what a cheater... _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. |
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