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Mic Den Octela - Student  |
The Blockbuster that I work at is opening tonight at midnight. I'm going in to collect and will gladly oblige with any questions or queries anyone might have! 
Or, just to rub it in your faces!! 
So, anyone else getting this tonight/tomorrow? _______________ -Padawan of Virtue -Brother of Menaxia, *|irael, Krynn Adept, Majno, Ris Win Juljul, DaMi3N, Beowulf, Dash Starlight, Carrock and Yuken Zalak Bartender at Munes bar. Sir Mic of Nippledom! Proudly beating Wang, since '07. (Crackdown) |
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Aidan® - Aidan 
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its only the drop kick kids that actually decide to use the game as an acceptable example of behavior, and most of those kids would be doing that stuff anyway regardless of what they see in movies, tv, the internet and of other idiots, like their parents, who go out and bash cops with baseball bats. _______________ Peace is a lie, there is only passion. Through passion, I gain strength. Through strength, I gain power. Through power, I gain victory. Through victory, my chains are broken. The Force shall free me. |
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NotSoLittleCaesar - Student 
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Yeah i forgot, i mean. I boguht the game and now i feel the urge to go kill hookers, break into cars and so on.
Wait.. If someone is 18, they aren't going to be strongly influenced by the game. under 18 its nto the games fault, its the parents. _______________ Quote: I mostly agree oh Lord of the squeezy mop
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Masta - Jedi Council 
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How dare these people . . . . _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. |
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Augusta_Mintaka - Student 
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Those are the publicized debates! Every GTA follows with it a huge amount of hype and arguments always break out whether or not the hype was met. _______________ "Deos fortioribus adesse." |
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Aidan® - Aidan
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the normal debates are over violence and brainwashing kids into stealing cars and bashing hookers, no problems like that with this group though _______________ Peace is a lie, there is only passion. Through passion, I gain strength. Through strength, I gain power. Through power, I gain victory. Through victory, my chains are broken. The Force shall free me. |
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Augusta_Mintaka - Student
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GTA always brings fourth debate, no exceptions. It's just the natural selection of gaming at work! _______________ "Deos fortioribus adesse." |
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Tallepyon - Student 
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Quote: Wish i'd never posted anything now!
 Bah, it isn't your fault. I blame the negative nancies. |
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Mic Den Octela - Student 
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Wish i'd never posted anything now! _______________ -Padawan of Virtue -Brother of Menaxia, *|irael, Krynn Adept, Majno, Ris Win Juljul, DaMi3N, Beowulf, Dash Starlight, Carrock and Yuken Zalak Bartender at Munes bar. Sir Mic of Nippledom! Proudly beating Wang, since '07. (Crackdown) |
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Aidan® - Aidan
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oh, ive played it a couple of times from my friend but im of the same opinion _______________ Peace is a lie, there is only passion. Through passion, I gain strength. Through strength, I gain power. Through power, I gain victory. Through victory, my chains are broken. The Force shall free me. |
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NotSoLittleCaesar - Student
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Note though, i havent played it. Im just going on hype 
Im actually borrowing it tommorow to see what i think. _______________ Quote: I mostly agree oh Lord of the squeezy mop
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Aidan® - Aidan
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Quote: Ugh. Most over-rated game this year.
I loved GTA SA, and Vice city. But i dunno, they seem to be doing the same general thing in each came. Can't knock how revolutionary the first games were though. Thats what ive been saying  _______________ Peace is a lie, there is only passion. Through passion, I gain strength. Through strength, I gain power. Through power, I gain victory. Through victory, my chains are broken. The Force shall free me. |
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NotSoLittleCaesar - Student
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Ugh. Most over-rated game this year.
I loved GTA SA, and Vice city. But i dunno, they seem to be doing the same general thing in each came. Can't knock how revolutionary the first games were though. _______________ Quote: I mostly agree oh Lord of the squeezy mop
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SaZ - Student 
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Quote: so final fantasy 7 is indeed a failure due to the fact that the gameplay has already been done in the past?
nah. if gameplay is the same then obviously devs must create an interesting story. which, ofcourse, is nearly non-existant in gta games. _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana |
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Masta - Jedi Council 
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Quote: so final fantasy 7 is indeed a failure due to the fact that the gameplay has already been done in the past? Not if you play it without knowing about the other games - ignorance is bliss after all. _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. |
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Komence - Student 
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so final fantasy 7 is indeed a failure due to the fact that the gameplay has already been done in the past? |
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Aidan® - Aidan 
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i like splinter cell because i have never played another game remotely similar to it, i never said that it is 'same old crap', when i said that i was talking about other games in general. Name me only one game that was similiar to GTA1 before it first came out - point: GTA had probably one of the most innovative concepts ever, yet you still dislike it. So innovation doesn't seem to be the only criterion that determines what makes a game good for you, especially since (as i said) SC can be said to be be a 'copy' of games like MGS and Thief (that is, it's not fully innovative itself).
Also, if the only thing that you didn't like in GTA4 is the fact that there's 6 prequels with similiar gameplay, then i'm sorry to hear that playing any of the older games (or even knowing about them) has destroyed your capacity to enjoy the newer one. Unless you want to claim that you didn't like any of the older ones neither, which makes your point about the repetitive content moot and useless. i own two GTA games, i liked the first one i got because it was different, i liked the next one less because it was almost identical in terms of gameplay so it was like replaying the games story with different names, so when i saw GTA 4 and saw it was almost identical to the past i decided not to bother with buying it. GTA was original but has since been mass reproduced with better graphics, almost nothing has changed. _______________ Peace is a lie, there is only passion. Through passion, I gain strength. Through strength, I gain power. Through power, I gain victory. Through victory, my chains are broken. The Force shall free me. |
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Masta - Jedi Council
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Quote: then obviously:
You didn't like the changes: fair enough. I for one did.
gta 2 and 3
sure the differences between the last two are mostly 2d to 3d, but its a start
while things like vice city and san andreas are just are just horrible. Quote: according to you more of the same is enough.
Well, i'm all for change, as long as it's improvement. However, the important thing is to keep the things that make the game great whilst improving the rest - on what makes the game great is where people differ, and sometimes differ greatly (that's because it's subjective!). A good example is Gothic1/2/3: with G2, the developers kept the things that everyone thought were great and improved them, whereas they screwed up in their assessment of what would make the game even more great in G3 (or better: of what -I- thought would make the game great!). Same idea applies to all the other games in your list, with GTA changing in a way to VC which somehow violated the thing that makes the game good for you.
you already know my position in this... a sequel should be significantly different than the previous one. Quote: compare it to games like gta where all you have is improved graphics engine and what else? missions? things to do? all this could be done by a modding community with a right tools. As i said: if you don't see the changes, i can't help you. However, even -IF- your assessment of the changes were true, the very same argument could be used against games like hitman1/2, gothic1/2 and kotor1/2, whereas the changes between the sequels weren't as that radical either - the games' greatness was not compromised though, which means that you can have sequels that are quite similiar without them being bad.
Quote: i like splinter cell because i have never played another game remotely similar to it, i never said that it is 'same old crap', when i said that i was talking about other games in general. Name me only one game that was similiar to GTA1 before it first came out - point: GTA had probably one of the most innovative concepts ever, yet you still dislike it. So innovation doesn't seem to be the only criterion that determines what makes a game good for you, especially since (as i said) SC can be said to be be a 'copy' of games like MGS and Thief (that is, it's not fully innovative itself).
Also, if the only thing that you didn't like in GTA4 is the fact that there's 6 prequels with similiar gameplay, then i'm sorry to hear that playing any of the older games (or even knowing about them) has destroyed your capacity to enjoy the newer one. Unless you want to claim that you didn't like any of the older ones neither, which makes your point about the repetitive content moot and useless. _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. This comment was edited by Masta on May 31 2008 04:16pm. |
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Aidan® - Aidan
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Quote: you read my mind, i get bored with games so fast because of this same reason, i don't spend allot of money on games that are the same old crap,so i buy games like splinter cell because they are completely different to traditional games And splinter cell 1,2,3 are not similiar in style, visuals and gameplay to each other? SC3 is not the 'mere same old crap' in comparison to SC2 and SC1? They are also not a mere 'copy' of past stealth-games, i.e. MGS or Thief?
i think you miss understood what i said, i like splinter cell because i have never played another game remotely similar to it, i never said that it is 'same old crap', when i said that i was talking about other games in general. _______________ Peace is a lie, there is only passion. Through passion, I gain strength. Through strength, I gain power. Through power, I gain victory. Through victory, my chains are broken. The Force shall free me. |
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SaZ - Student
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Quote: Dont forget it all comes down to what the consumer wants, unfortunatly i think your int he minority so they wont cater for you, GTA is already probably the biggest selling game of the year and hell if that means cloning a game and improving it slightly,isn't that worth it for the games company ?
doesnt mean that the game is good for us who got some brains in our heads. since i dont care if they go bankrupt and i really wanna see an original game....
you know gamespot awards where there is this 'best game no one played' ? quite often those are the games that appeal to me lol _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana This comment was edited by SaZ on May 31 2008 02:16pm. |
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Monteeeeeee - Nugget 
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Dont forget it all comes down to what the consumer wants, unfortunatly i think your int he minority so they wont cater for you, GTA is already probably the biggest selling game of the year and hell if that means cloning a game and improving it slightly,isn't that worth it for the games company ?
I personally like the GTA series for the free roaming, and if you actually walk around in GTA4 there is alot of nice touches with the people walking around and such things. If you dont like GTA thats cool but understand companies need to make money and in the cut throat business that it is, making a game that might not make profit is risky business which could end your company. _______________ If you add me to MSN, tell me who you are
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SaZ - Student
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well then compare things like:
thief 2 and 3 TES morrowind and oblivion nfs high stakes and porsche unleashed hitman 1 and 2 warcraft 2 and 3 ... then obviously: gta 2 and 3
sure the differences between the last two are mostly 2d to 3d, but its a start
while things like vice city and san andreas are just are just horrible. its just our different opinions about 'in what way they should be different'. according to you more of the same is enough. you already know my position in this... a sequel should be significantly different than the previous one. take one game from the list above... need for speed porsche unleashed? yes high stakes and porsche unleashed are both racing games. however whats the different between them? totally new physics engine, absolutely different driving feel, new graphics engine , a whole new style of the game... compare it to games like gta where all you have is improved graphics engine and what else? missions? things to do? all this could be done by a modding community with a right tools. the need to release a new game is commercial.. i guess thats it : p _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana |
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Masta - Jedi Council
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Saz, you just dismissed the whole notion of a sequel - sequential media franchises are -supposed- to be similiar and only moderately improved upon; why would you want to discard a certain idea or gamestyle that is extremly popular to begin with? That applies to both gameplay and storyline.
I agree that most modern games are very uncreative and shallow (with obvious exceptions), and that simply copying elements from games that are completely unrelated is not the way to go - that's something i don't object to. However, you should note that similiarities between sequels or games of the same genre are going to be obvious, inevitable and intended. So complaining that all GTA games are the same makes about as much as sense as complaining that all FIFA games are about soccer. Quote: lack of creativity is their problem, not mine, when all i want is something i havent played 999 times.
Ever thought about getting a wii? Quote: you read my mind, i get bored with games so fast because of this same reason, i don't spend allot of money on games that are the same old crap,so i buy games like splinter cell because they are completely different to traditional games And splinter cell 1,2,3 are not similiar in style, visuals and gameplay to each other? SC3 is not the 'mere same old crap' in comparison to SC2 and SC1? They are also not a mere 'copy' of past stealth-games, i.e. MGS or Thief?
Bottom line: If you don't like the gamestyle of GTA as a whole, chances are that you're not going to be ever satisfied with whatever new GTA games are going to be released - the reverse is true for games you approve of. _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. |
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Aidan® - Aidan
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anything you name will have already been done
thats quite narrowminded of you actually. why some game developers manage to create interesting stories while others just clone their games with a a terrible or mediocre story at best? lack of creativity is their problem, not mine, when all i want is something i havent played 999 times. you read my mind, i get bored with games so fast because of this same reason, i don't spend allot of money on games that are the same old crap,so i buy games like splinter cell because they are completely different to traditional games _______________ Peace is a lie, there is only passion. Through passion, I gain strength. Through strength, I gain power. Through power, I gain victory. Through victory, my chains are broken. The Force shall free me. |
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SaZ - Student 
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Quote: anything you name will have already been done
thats quite narrowminded of you actually. why some game developers manage to create interesting stories while others just clone their games with a a terrible or mediocre story at best? lack of creativity is their problem, not mine, when all i want is something i havent played 999 times. oh and if someone is still thinking all i do is throw shit at gta you are mistaken - there are loads of popular game series that do nothing more than 'make' an old game with a new cover. why im doing this in gta thread? no idea, we dont have a games thread that wouldnt die fast. _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana This comment was edited by SaZ on May 31 2008 09:37am. |
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Monteeeeeee - Nugget 
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if you think only t eh gfx are what has evolved then im sorry you obviously havent played all the titles and tbh you can be as simplistic as that on any game, so Crysis is just a better looking doom game, they all follow the same rules, u have gun you shoot stuff you follow linear story etc...
well crysis is crap. overplayed and overrated game. i simply cant understand why games that offer NOTHING new get such awesome ratings everythere when all they offer is 'a little improved graphics engine and shitload of gameplay we've seen before'. are players not keen on something unique and never before seen? i guess not, since titles like gta or nfs sell so good.. Tell me the perfect scenario for a game, anything you name will have already been done, so all thats left is to improve it, make it more realistic, make it more accessible for people etc... i dont really understand what it is in a game your looking for. and you know what they say anyway - One mans shit is another mans gold. _______________ If you add me to MSN, tell me who you are
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