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The Blockbuster that I work at is opening tonight at midnight. I'm going in to collect and will gladly oblige with any questions or queries anyone might have! 
Or, just to rub it in your faces!! 
So, anyone else getting this tonight/tomorrow? _______________ -Padawan of Virtue -Brother of Menaxia, *|irael, Krynn Adept, Majno, Ris Win Juljul, DaMi3N, Beowulf, Dash Starlight, Carrock and Yuken Zalak Bartender at Munes bar. Sir Mic of Nippledom! Proudly beating Wang, since '07. (Crackdown) |
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Aidan® - Aidan 
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i like splinter cell because i have never played another game remotely similar to it, i never said that it is 'same old crap', when i said that i was talking about other games in general. Name me only one game that was similiar to GTA1 before it first came out - point: GTA had probably one of the most innovative concepts ever, yet you still dislike it. So innovation doesn't seem to be the only criterion that determines what makes a game good for you, especially since (as i said) SC can be said to be be a 'copy' of games like MGS and Thief (that is, it's not fully innovative itself).
Also, if the only thing that you didn't like in GTA4 is the fact that there's 6 prequels with similiar gameplay, then i'm sorry to hear that playing any of the older games (or even knowing about them) has destroyed your capacity to enjoy the newer one. Unless you want to claim that you didn't like any of the older ones neither, which makes your point about the repetitive content moot and useless. i own two GTA games, i liked the first one i got because it was different, i liked the next one less because it was almost identical in terms of gameplay so it was like replaying the games story with different names, so when i saw GTA 4 and saw it was almost identical to the past i decided not to bother with buying it. GTA was original but has since been mass reproduced with better graphics, almost nothing has changed. _______________ Peace is a lie, there is only passion. Through passion, I gain strength. Through strength, I gain power. Through power, I gain victory. Through victory, my chains are broken. The Force shall free me. |
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Masta - Jedi Council 
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You didn't like the changes: fair enough. I for one did.
gta 2 and 3
sure the differences between the last two are mostly 2d to 3d, but its a start 
while things like vice city and san andreas are just are just horrible. Quote: according to you more of the same is enough.
Well, i'm all for change, as long as it's improvement. However, the important thing is to keep the things that make the game great whilst improving the rest - on what makes the game great is where people differ, and sometimes differ greatly (that's because it's subjective!). A good example is Gothic1/2/3: with G2, the developers kept the things that everyone thought were great and improved them, whereas they screwed up in their assessment of what would make the game even more great in G3 (or better: of what -I- thought would make the game great!). Same idea applies to all the other games in your list, with GTA changing in a way to VC which somehow violated the thing that makes the game good for you.
you already know my position in this... a sequel should be significantly different than the previous one. Quote: compare it to games like gta where all you have is improved graphics engine and what else? missions? things to do? all this could be done by a modding community with a right tools. As i said: if you don't see the changes, i can't help you. However, even -IF- your assessment of the changes were true, the very same argument could be used against games like hitman1/2, gothic1/2 and kotor1/2, whereas the changes between the sequels weren't as that radical either - the games' greatness was not compromised though, which means that you can have sequels that are quite similiar without them being bad.
Quote: i like splinter cell because i have never played another game remotely similar to it, i never said that it is 'same old crap', when i said that i was talking about other games in general. Name me only one game that was similiar to GTA1 before it first came out - point: GTA had probably one of the most innovative concepts ever, yet you still dislike it. So innovation doesn't seem to be the only criterion that determines what makes a game good for you, especially since (as i said) SC can be said to be be a 'copy' of games like MGS and Thief (that is, it's not fully innovative itself).
Also, if the only thing that you didn't like in GTA4 is the fact that there's 6 prequels with similiar gameplay, then i'm sorry to hear that playing any of the older games (or even knowing about them) has destroyed your capacity to enjoy the newer one. Unless you want to claim that you didn't like any of the older ones neither, which makes your point about the repetitive content moot and useless. _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. This comment was edited by Masta on May 31 2008 04:16pm. |
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Aidan® - Aidan
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Quote: you read my mind, i get bored with games so fast because of this same reason, i don't spend allot of money on games that are the same old crap,so i buy games like splinter cell because they are completely different to traditional games And splinter cell 1,2,3 are not similiar in style, visuals and gameplay to each other? SC3 is not the 'mere same old crap' in comparison to SC2 and SC1? They are also not a mere 'copy' of past stealth-games, i.e. MGS or Thief?
i think you miss understood what i said, i like splinter cell because i have never played another game remotely similar to it, i never said that it is 'same old crap', when i said that i was talking about other games in general. _______________ Peace is a lie, there is only passion. Through passion, I gain strength. Through strength, I gain power. Through power, I gain victory. Through victory, my chains are broken. The Force shall free me. |
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Quote: Dont forget it all comes down to what the consumer wants, unfortunatly i think your int he minority so they wont cater for you, GTA is already probably the biggest selling game of the year and hell if that means cloning a game and improving it slightly,isn't that worth it for the games company ?
doesnt mean that the game is good for us who got some brains in our heads. since i dont care if they go bankrupt and i really wanna see an original game....
you know gamespot awards where there is this 'best game no one played' ? quite often those are the games that appeal to me lol _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana This comment was edited by SaZ on May 31 2008 02:16pm. |
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Dont forget it all comes down to what the consumer wants, unfortunatly i think your int he minority so they wont cater for you, GTA is already probably the biggest selling game of the year and hell if that means cloning a game and improving it slightly,isn't that worth it for the games company ?
I personally like the GTA series for the free roaming, and if you actually walk around in GTA4 there is alot of nice touches with the people walking around and such things. If you dont like GTA thats cool but understand companies need to make money and in the cut throat business that it is, making a game that might not make profit is risky business which could end your company. _______________ If you add me to MSN, tell me who you are
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SaZ - Student
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well then compare things like:
thief 2 and 3 TES morrowind and oblivion nfs high stakes and porsche unleashed hitman 1 and 2 warcraft 2 and 3 ... then obviously: gta 2 and 3
sure the differences between the last two are mostly 2d to 3d, but its a start
while things like vice city and san andreas are just are just horrible. its just our different opinions about 'in what way they should be different'. according to you more of the same is enough. you already know my position in this... a sequel should be significantly different than the previous one. take one game from the list above... need for speed porsche unleashed? yes high stakes and porsche unleashed are both racing games. however whats the different between them? totally new physics engine, absolutely different driving feel, new graphics engine , a whole new style of the game... compare it to games like gta where all you have is improved graphics engine and what else? missions? things to do? all this could be done by a modding community with a right tools. the need to release a new game is commercial.. i guess thats it : p _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana |
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Saz, you just dismissed the whole notion of a sequel - sequential media franchises are -supposed- to be similiar and only moderately improved upon; why would you want to discard a certain idea or gamestyle that is extremly popular to begin with? That applies to both gameplay and storyline.
I agree that most modern games are very uncreative and shallow (with obvious exceptions), and that simply copying elements from games that are completely unrelated is not the way to go - that's something i don't object to. However, you should note that similiarities between sequels or games of the same genre are going to be obvious, inevitable and intended. So complaining that all GTA games are the same makes about as much as sense as complaining that all FIFA games are about soccer. Quote: lack of creativity is their problem, not mine, when all i want is something i havent played 999 times.
Ever thought about getting a wii? Quote: you read my mind, i get bored with games so fast because of this same reason, i don't spend allot of money on games that are the same old crap,so i buy games like splinter cell because they are completely different to traditional games And splinter cell 1,2,3 are not similiar in style, visuals and gameplay to each other? SC3 is not the 'mere same old crap' in comparison to SC2 and SC1? They are also not a mere 'copy' of past stealth-games, i.e. MGS or Thief?
Bottom line: If you don't like the gamestyle of GTA as a whole, chances are that you're not going to be ever satisfied with whatever new GTA games are going to be released - the reverse is true for games you approve of. _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. |
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anything you name will have already been done
thats quite narrowminded of you actually. why some game developers manage to create interesting stories while others just clone their games with a a terrible or mediocre story at best? lack of creativity is their problem, not mine, when all i want is something i havent played 999 times. you read my mind, i get bored with games so fast because of this same reason, i don't spend allot of money on games that are the same old crap,so i buy games like splinter cell because they are completely different to traditional games _______________ Peace is a lie, there is only passion. Through passion, I gain strength. Through strength, I gain power. Through power, I gain victory. Through victory, my chains are broken. The Force shall free me. |
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SaZ - Student 
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Quote: anything you name will have already been done
thats quite narrowminded of you actually. why some game developers manage to create interesting stories while others just clone their games with a a terrible or mediocre story at best? lack of creativity is their problem, not mine, when all i want is something i havent played 999 times. oh and if someone is still thinking all i do is throw shit at gta you are mistaken - there are loads of popular game series that do nothing more than 'make' an old game with a new cover. why im doing this in gta thread? no idea, we dont have a games thread that wouldnt die fast. _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana This comment was edited by SaZ on May 31 2008 09:37am. |
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if you think only t eh gfx are what has evolved then im sorry you obviously havent played all the titles and tbh you can be as simplistic as that on any game, so Crysis is just a better looking doom game, they all follow the same rules, u have gun you shoot stuff you follow linear story etc...
well crysis is crap. overplayed and overrated game. i simply cant understand why games that offer NOTHING new get such awesome ratings everythere when all they offer is 'a little improved graphics engine and shitload of gameplay we've seen before'. are players not keen on something unique and never before seen? i guess not, since titles like gta or nfs sell so good.. Tell me the perfect scenario for a game, anything you name will have already been done, so all thats left is to improve it, make it more realistic, make it more accessible for people etc... i dont really understand what it is in a game your looking for. and you know what they say anyway - One mans shit is another mans gold. _______________ If you add me to MSN, tell me who you are
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Aidan® - Aidan
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when i look for a good game graphics are not the most important thing for me, one of my favorite games of all on PS2 is God of War, it is one of the best games of all because it is so different in gameplay, i would still like this game even if it graphics from the nineties. _______________ Peace is a lie, there is only passion. Through passion, I gain strength. Through strength, I gain power. Through power, I gain victory. Through victory, my chains are broken. The Force shall free me. |
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SaZ - Student
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Quote: if you think only t eh gfx are what has evolved then im sorry you obviously havent played all the titles and tbh you can be as simplistic as that on any game, so Crysis is just a better looking doom game, they all follow the same rules, u have gun you shoot stuff you follow linear story etc...
well crysis is crap. overplayed and overrated game. i simply cant understand why games that offer NOTHING new get such awesome ratings everythere when all they offer is 'a little improved graphics engine and shitload of gameplay we've seen before'. are players not keen on something unique and never before seen? i guess not, since titles like gta or nfs sell so good.. _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana |
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if you think only t eh gfx are what has evolved then im sorry you obviously havent played all the titles and tbh you can be as simplistic as that on any game, so Crysis is just a better looking doom game, they all follow the same rules, u have gun you shoot stuff you follow linear story etc...
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Masta - Jedi Council
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I really can't help you guys, but i would like to thank you for invoking a sense of schadenfreude within me. _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. |
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The game is similiar in style by virtue of being a sequel - as is usual with video games. However, if you cannot tell the difference between
this and this, then i'm sorry to say that i really cannot help you. apart from graphics engine difference is quite minimal. agreed, the graphics are better, thats obvious, its the content im talking about, not much change. _______________ Peace is a lie, there is only passion. Through passion, I gain strength. Through strength, I gain power. Through power, I gain victory. Through victory, my chains are broken. The Force shall free me. |
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fun thats all you need to say |
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SaZ - Student
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Quote: The game is similiar in style by virtue of being a sequel - as is usual with video games. However, if you cannot tell the difference between
this and this, then i'm sorry to say that i really cannot help you. apart from graphics engine difference is quite minimal. _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana |
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Masta - Jedi Council
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The game is similiar in style by virtue of being a sequel - as is usual with video games. However, if you cannot tell the difference between
this and this, then i'm sorry to say that i really cannot help you. _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. |
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Aidan® - Aidan
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my friend has this game and ive played it a couple of times and in my opinion every GTA is exactly the same except for a few better details and small extras which are purely novelties. to be honest i wouldn't buy this for myself because its almost identical to every other GTA before it after the story, which you could probably do in a day or two. _______________ Peace is a lie, there is only passion. Through passion, I gain strength. Through strength, I gain power. Through power, I gain victory. Through victory, my chains are broken. The Force shall free me. |
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Artex - Student 
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i did the first loan shark mission and i havent touched it since _______________ Sluglife |
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Mic Den Octela - Student 
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Apologies for my previous post! Was in an angry mood..  Love yoooou! _______________ -Padawan of Virtue -Brother of Menaxia, *|irael, Krynn Adept, Majno, Ris Win Juljul, DaMi3N, Beowulf, Dash Starlight, Carrock and Yuken Zalak Bartender at Munes bar. Sir Mic of Nippledom! Proudly beating Wang, since '07. (Crackdown) |
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Mic Den Octela - Student 
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GTA IV is a video game, just as Films are films and books are books.
You don't have to play it, just as you don't have to watch a film or read a book. Its not gonna take over the world, nor is any film or book. It is not ACTUALLY HAPPENING, it is not a true story and it never will be. Nico Bellic, Carl Johnson, Tommy Vercetti and Clive/Fido (??) Will never actually go to their designated FICTIONAL cities and do the things that you can do in the game. Its about time people got over this rabid hatefest between people who play the game and people who do not. Its not marmite, it is a game and will not kill you to ignore it completely. As for people taking what they see in the game and performing it in reality.. well then.. fingers crossed no-one ever reads a book, watches a film, looks at a poster, reads a magazine, plays super mario or.. wait a second.. do anything else?! The ideas and methods are all around us.. its in word of mouth. It takes a person already capable of such atrocities to act upon them, it is not the manufacturers and producers fault the world is full of nutcases. If GTA bothers you, and I can understand why it might, then just don't play it. The less you talk about it, the less you'll think about it. If it doesn't and you love the game like a son, then don't go around rubbing it in peoples faces it is just as any other game. Peace out... Last thing I want is the whole soddin world falling out with each other over a single piece of media. (BTW, yes, I do play the game.. but I also enjoy it when I do and usually prefer not to get involved in the stupid war between the two social groups that have developed over this series. However, I was under the impression that you guys and dolls were all better than this.) Rant over.. This is targeted at no-one specifically, just the ideal of arguing over it. If you genuinely have a problem with the game or people who play them.. then perhaps you should consider what problems you have with people who ritualistically follow films and books. _______________ -Padawan of Virtue -Brother of Menaxia, *|irael, Krynn Adept, Majno, Ris Win Juljul, DaMi3N, Beowulf, Dash Starlight, Carrock and Yuken Zalak Bartender at Munes bar. Sir Mic of Nippledom! Proudly beating Wang, since '07. (Crackdown) |
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and ofcourse the whole theme... not sure what kind of people you guys are, but personally im tired of all that mainstream crap, bling bling everythere, tuner cars, lowrider cars, 'cool' street talk etc etc etc.
I think you've missed the fact that the series is essentially making fun of the demographic you just highlighted. Uhh... not really. It makes fun of that sort of lifestyle as much as Star Wars makes fun of sci-fi nerds. San Andreas just showed the culture of those sorts of people (well, obviously a highly amplified version of it) but it never outright made fun of it. TAHT WUD BE RUDE. Maybe I phrased that wrongly. It does however lightly mock the very same things it portrays within the game. It shows a caracature version of what that kinda of life is, generally using its themes and ideas for comic effect though also occasionaly for more serious plot driven purposes. Its more of a parody than Star Wars, though not in its entirety. Oh and GTA IV is good and stuff. _______________ To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield | Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken | Rhaiko D'kana - SWTOR EU Guild Co-Founder | Is it what the teacher, teaches? Or what the student learns? A Dkana |
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and ofcourse the whole theme... not sure what kind of people you guys are, but personally im tired of all that mainstream crap, bling bling everythere, tuner cars, lowrider cars, 'cool' street talk etc etc etc.
I think you've missed the fact that the series is essentially making fun of the demographic you just highlighted. Uhh... not really. It makes fun of that sort of lifestyle as much as Star Wars makes fun of sci-fi nerds. San Andreas just showed the culture of those sorts of people (well, obviously a highly amplified version of it) but it never outright made fun of it. TAHT WUD BE RUDE. _______________ slorp |
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Mic Den Octela - Student
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Quote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zzr138ijmaQ&eurl=*http://geekporr.blogspot.com/
*plays some more GTA4* oh noes Bet that guys completed it... He prolly loves Nico and was so hurt when he was given the script to that show. _______________ -Padawan of Virtue -Brother of Menaxia, *|irael, Krynn Adept, Majno, Ris Win Juljul, DaMi3N, Beowulf, Dash Starlight, Carrock and Yuken Zalak Bartender at Munes bar. Sir Mic of Nippledom! Proudly beating Wang, since '07. (Crackdown) |
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