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ZantuS - Student  |
http://templeofthejediorder.org/index.php
Wow... Someone's jedi oath on that site: Quote: I profess before all my fellow Jedi, that I Aaron Johnson born on June 05 1975, without reservation, choose the Jedi path, with all it's duties and responsibilities, I shall do that which is right and profess my allegiance to the Force and it's will. I vow to uphold the Jedi teachings, and to henceforth devote myself to the life of a Jedi. _______________ Happiness is the ability to say "So what?" |
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Augusta_Mintaka - Student 
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That's what we have Fox News for! _______________ "Deos fortioribus adesse." |
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Maher - Jedi Knight 
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But there need to be some voice of reason! _______________ Still here | My Lightsaber |
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Augusta_Mintaka - Student
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Just be glad nuking you would be suicide and we aren't hostile enough to do that...yet! _______________ "Deos fortioribus adesse." |
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Maher - Jedi Knight
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There's good pointviews at both ideals!
Communism and Capitalism, They are needing each others... Unite! _______________ Still here | My Lightsaber |
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Augusta_Mintaka - Student
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I second pr0fits, he is a living saint and true patriot. _______________ "Deos fortioribus adesse." |
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Komence - Student 
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hail satan
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Augusta_Mintaka - Student
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I think there will be legal battles if Jediism were to grow and it would end in the religion having to change it's name. I personally don't have a problem with people practicing all that, but it's asking for trouble to put "Jedi" right in the name. Yeah, there's probably issues of copyright and whatnot, which just goes to show the profound sense of greed that Capitalism perpetuates, which forces people to break up spiritual movements because of a damn name!
Under Communism, such silly notions as "intellectual property" would be a thing of a decadent, inhumane past. Communist dog! How dare you attack capitalism! We pride ourselves in senseless court battles and corrupt judges. It is, of course, the true way of capitalism! One day we shall copyright the world and you reds will be evicted for good! _______________ "Deos fortioribus adesse." |
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Alex Dkana - Staff 
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Quote: George lucas created the jedi and the force as a premise to base his story around.
Just to point out that while this isn't neccesarily incorrect, George Lucas based his idea of 'The Force' off of many real life ideas and examples. In other words basing a faith on it isn't neccesarily as simple as taking something from a movie, its arguably a universal idea given a fictional direction that has now been taken in a new direction by this online church. Oh and personally I keep an open mind, and although I do not support any religion, I find it is important for respect to go both ways.  _______________ To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield | Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken | Rhaiko D'kana - SWTOR EU Guild Co-Founder | Is it what the teacher, teaches? Or what the student learns? A Dkana This comment was edited by Alex Dkana on Jan 27 2009 09:52pm. |
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Masta - Jedi Council 
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Quote: I think there will be legal battles if Jediism were to grow and it would end in the religion having to change it's name. I personally don't have a problem with people practicing all that, but it's asking for trouble to put "Jedi" right in the name. Yeah, there's probably issues of copyright and whatnot, which just goes to show the profound sense of greed that Capitalism perpetuates, which forces people to break up spiritual movements because of a damn name!
Under Communism, such silly notions as "intellectual property" would be a thing of a decadent, inhumane past. _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. |
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Augusta_Mintaka - Student 
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I think there will be legal battles if Jediism were to grow and it would end in the religion having to change it's name. I personally don't have a problem with people practicing all that, but it's asking for trouble to put "Jedi" right in the name. _______________ "Deos fortioribus adesse." |
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Masta - Jedi Council
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I don't see why the question of origin is of so much importance - granted, having your "faith" rooted in a 3000 year old tradition is definitely a plus, but if you're less of a traditionalist, or became disenfranchised with well established organized religions, yet would still like to have somekind of meta-narrative that you can base your morals on, and even have the possibility of using your favorite sci-fi movie series for that, then i really don't see any reason why i should tell you off!
Besides, like most religions, it's a pretty neat vehicle for self-cultivation. You get a lot of good stuff about how to behave, how not to indulge in excess, how to control your emotions etc etc, all grounded in tenets which are deeply influenced by ancient traditions anyhow - in this regard, Jediism seems to me like a postmodern rendering of those older ideas, which is fine by me. As for the primacy of the "force".. well, even in SW you needed a certain midichlorian count to be able to use it (or something like that) - basically, not everyone was "sensitive" or possessed the capabilities necessary to use it anyways, so you've got a pretty neat excuse for your inability to choke noobs with mere hand gestures. And as for the rest: a lot of the religious traditions feature some "life-force" of one kind or another, be it chi, prana or even "soul" - "the force", as previously mentioned, is just a postmodern rendition of that, which could have greater appeal to some people. If that's how you roll, then i don't have a problem with that. _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. This comment was edited by Masta on Jan 27 2009 09:09pm. |
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†Johauna Darkrider†- Student 
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Janitor - the bible was written as 'experiences of person' alright. But most of the old 'books'were written with some sort of 'making it bigger than it was'. For me, it's nothing more than a book about MAYBE real persons but some fiction added to it.
Nothing bad in that, you know. It gave some ideals, morals and belief to human kind. Some people need to believe in something. What IS wrong is what it turned into in the history. Johauna _______________ Johauna's Bio | When I am GRANDMASTER...! | StarCraft II Protoss Learner | Wannabe GrandMaster Leaguer | How to NOT play StarCraft II Specialist |
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ZantuS - Student 
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Who is saying anything about the bible being non-fictional?! _______________ Happiness is the ability to say "So what?" This comment was edited by ZantuS on Jan 27 2009 06:26pm. |
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NotSoLittleCaesar - Student 
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The main problem i have with having a 'jedi' religion.
Is just that, its a JEDI religion. A religion made completely fictionally. And the 'how do you know the wind is there' is a terrible example. You can visually see the effects of the wind, feel it it while you're in it. And everyone can, its a universal acceptance. While i think the force is a just as logical religious premise as alot of them i always come upon the feeling that it was written in fiction, and then adopted as a real religion. Bible was written by men. It can be considered as 'fictional' by us as well. The writers of bible put some ideas into it and some people tried to realize them. There are things 'unnatural' to modern person. Jedi were created by a man. He put some ideas into them and some people try to realize them. What's the difference? That G. Lucas used modern way of creating something, what brought us some ideals? Come on. Or do you claim that bible was 100% non fictional...? 
Johauna The bible was written about the experiences of a person whether you believe them or not (Which i personally do not, or, more so believe that its all extremely over-exaggerated. . George lucas created the jedi and the force as a premise to base his story around. _______________ Quote: I mostly agree oh Lord of the squeezy mop
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†Johauna Darkrider†- Student 
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Quote: The main problem i have with having a 'jedi' religion.
Is just that, its a JEDI religion. A religion made completely fictionally. And the 'how do you know the wind is there' is a terrible example. You can visually see the effects of the wind, feel it it while you're in it. And everyone can, its a universal acceptance. While i think the force is a just as logical religious premise as alot of them i always come upon the feeling that it was written in fiction, and then adopted as a real religion. Bible was written by men. It can be considered as 'fictional' by us as well. The writers of bible put some ideas into it and some people tried to realize them. There are things 'unnatural' to modern person. Jedi were created by a man. He put some ideas into them and some people try to realize them. What's the difference? That G. Lucas used modern way of creating something, what brought us some ideals? Come on. Or do you claim that bible was 100% non fictional...?
Johauna _______________ Johauna's Bio | When I am GRANDMASTER...! | StarCraft II Protoss Learner | Wannabe GrandMaster Leaguer | How to NOT play StarCraft II Specialist |
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NotSoLittleCaesar - Student
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The main problem i have with having a 'jedi' religion.
Is just that, its a JEDI religion. A religion made completely fictionally. And the 'how do you know the wind is there' is a terrible example. You can visually see the effects of the wind, feel it it while you're in it. And everyone can, its a universal acceptance. While i think the force is a just as logical religious premise as alot of them i always come upon the feeling that it was written in fiction, and then adopted as a real religion. _______________ Quote: I mostly agree oh Lord of the squeezy mop
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Maher - Jedi Knight 
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Jediists NEVER dare to claim that our way is only the one 'right' way. That is what makes us non-conflict group.
Oh, so that's why you're so intolerant of the Sith! They aren't intolerant of Sith... Jedi has never been intolerant of anybody... But Jedi are peacekeepers which is why they can't let anybody to destroy life... Now Sith are intolerant of Jedi... that's the fact Because It is their nature...
j00 c0nfus3r!  _______________ Still here | My Lightsaber |
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†Johauna Darkrider†- Student
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Masta, I thought you knew better than that...
Most people think that Jediism means that we are as dogmatic as Jedi from Star Wars. Yes, I'm claiming that the Jedi from star Wars, mainly the Old Republic and Pre-Imperium Jedi were dogmatic. Jediism is far from that. Of course, we strive towards the 'good' - Yes, i'm aware that could lead to discussions like 'what is good and what is bad'. But generally, the population would define our intentions as good ones. Improvement of the human being, knowing yourself, trying to see the world not only with eyes, which can actually deceive you. Being a Jedi is not about having a celibate. Being a Jedi is not even about swinging a lightsaber. I'd paraphrase one actually good version of Jedi code. Emotions, yet Peace Ignorance, yet knowledge Passion, yet Serenity Death, yet the Force Chaos, yet harmony This code doesn't deny neither of the aspects, the Jedi are taught to strive towards the other ones. It does not deny our emotions, emotions are what make us human beings. It does not deny the fact, that as human beings we will NEVER know everything, it's simply impossible. It does not deny the fact that there's a chaos around us, it teaches you to remain in harmony with yourself and the world around you, to not be influenced and touched by it and try to make things better. I could go on with the explanation, but I don't want to - I don't need to convince anyone. I just wanted to clarify some misunderstanding for those, who thought that being a Jedi is about celibate, swinging a fake lightsaber and what not. Johauna _______________ Johauna's Bio | When I am GRANDMASTER...! | StarCraft II Protoss Learner | Wannabe GrandMaster Leaguer | How to NOT play StarCraft II Specialist This comment was edited by †Johauna Darkrider†on Jan 27 2009 06:14pm. |
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ZantuS - Student
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I thought it would be a good laugh?! No! I am asking because of my interest in the matter and you say I want to pick on people? Not nice... _______________ Happiness is the ability to say "So what?" |
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Masta - Jedi Council 
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Quote: Jediists NEVER dare to claim that our way is only the one 'right' way. That is what makes us non-conflict group.
Oh, so that's why you're so intolerant of the Sith! _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. |
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†Johauna Darkrider†- Student
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Quote: I hope that was not for me... How do you feel the force besides tingling? The beauty of the nature like most christians for example? And oooooh Cuth don't say that, might make this thread awfully offtopic Yes, it was apparently for you and few others who thought it would be good to laugh... And asking how the Force 'feels' - it's like asking 'How does wind feel' or 'How does water feel'. It's really difficult to describe that and I'm not even going to try, since all you want is to pick on these people and prove your point of 'being right'. As for religions and wars - Cuth, yes, I agree. But that's because most of 'big' religions preach, that their ways and their 'God' is the onle one and 'right'. And if you have another religion, you are a heretic, enemy, etc. That idea is what makes it conflicting. Not the religions itself. Sadly, it's 'hardcoded' in human nature to compete and try to prove you are better than the others. That does cause wars. Not people who follow some, perhaps even good ideals. Don't get me wrong, I find christians as very dogmatic, especially those at the top... look at current pope... Jediists NEVER dare to claim that our way is only the one 'right' way. That is what makes us non-conflict group. Johauna _______________ Johauna's Bio | When I am GRANDMASTER...! | StarCraft II Protoss Learner | Wannabe GrandMaster Leaguer | How to NOT play StarCraft II Specialist |
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ZantuS - Student 
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Quote: But don't try to ridicule those who experienced things 'above normal logic', just because you didn't/didn't want to/tried. I hope that was not for me... How do you feel the force besides tingling? The beauty of the nature like most christians for example? And oooooh Cuth don't say that, might make this thread awfully offtopic _______________ Happiness is the ability to say "So what?" |
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Cuthalion - Padawan 
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Personally I dont have a Religion. There is to much wrong in the world for there to be a higher power, who would allow such suffering.
Religion is usually the foundation stone of every battle / war / fight in history. _______________ <MaherSenatu> guh... you are just... I'll keep sure that your kind of people will never be knights... <MaherSenatu> That's my mission... Master to Kain Sol |
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†Johauna Darkrider†- Student
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Quote: So, that oath of yours, have you done it on the forums there? Or just making it here to stop/prevent this ridiculing? Please excuse my lack of time and patience because I'm not searching their forum thoroughly enough.
Do YOU feel this "Force"? Yes, I actually posted that oath there on their forums. I've been following Jediism since 2003 - true that I've not been active 'online' much recently, on the communities, but it's not only about chatting about these things online, it's more about living them, as it's a way of life. And yes, I do feel the Force. Besides that, I'm strongly empathic, feeling everyone's feelings and emotions. If you passed me in real-life, I'd know about you, feel your presence like small tingling. Like you would 'touch' me, but you would not need to do so physically. I could go on, but it is not my job to try to convince you about how 'true' this is. If you don't believe in these things, that's perfectly fine with me. But don't try to ridicule those who experienced things 'above normal logic', just because you didn't/didn't want to/tried. Thank you. Johauna _______________ Johauna's Bio | When I am GRANDMASTER...! | StarCraft II Protoss Learner | Wannabe GrandMaster Leaguer | How to NOT play StarCraft II Specialist |
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Maher - Jedi Knight
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Quote: It's easy to judge others and their beliefs. And trust me, claiming 'that is impossible' is as bad as when someone religious tries to convince you about 'one and only' religion, despite of you telling them you are not interested.
Laughing at someone for their beliefs is disrespectful, and let me tell you one thing - if you think that if something is not seen and therefore it doesn't exist - following that logic, you could say that wind doesn't exist. You don't see wind. You feel it. The same is with the Force. Don't like people who critize and never are able to tolerate others opinions without riciduling them. It's called respect - and it should be mutual. If you are unable to be respectful and tolerant, well... can't change you, but it certainly gives me a view on you. As far as i'm concerned. Johauna
PS: If you want to laugh, go ahead, here's my own oath, so if you feel need to laugh, i'll be your target, if it makes you feel any better: Quote: "I profess before all my fellow Jedi that I, Jana Otahalova born on October 9th, 1984, without reservation, choose the Jedi path, with all its duties and responsibilities. I shall do that which is right and profess my allegiance to the Force and its will. I vow to uphold the Jedi teachings, and to henceforth devote myself to the life of a Jedi.
May the Force be with you." <3 Jo is just awesome! and thank you _______________ Still here | My Lightsaber |
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