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Laziana - Jedi Instructor  |
cheers, just want to make a thread to keep track on that nifty stuff bioware threw out.
last friday I got a mail that I was selected for "a" beta weekend. additionally it said that they are partnering with external gaming sites for additional beta keys and that I shall not redeem a key from those sites - obviously those keys are for people not signed up in the testing program? Anyways, accourding to bioware this invite should have gone out to everyone who is registered for game testing, or will go out. I have gotten no further info on WHEN this big beta weekend will be, nor did I get any beta key so far. What do you guys know about the "big beta weekend" as I would like to call it? - Laz _______________ Proud owner of Buster Senatu's 200th & 300th, Muro's 370th, Maher's 2100th, Henkes' 1639th, Johauna's 400th, 666th and 900th, Sho Koon's 2000th and Kain Sol's 600th comment Download Laziana's lightsaber here! Glory to Arstozka! |
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Monteeeeeee - Nugget 
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Quote: They are as subjective as books and movies, which is to say that some people can like bad books/movies and think good books/movies to be bad.
All types of media is subjective there is no good and bad only personal preference 
And mike we are having a calm discussion about subjective media _______________ If you add me to MSN, tell me who you are
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Alex Dkana - Staff 
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Quote: You guys give me ulcers and headaches. If you don't like SWTOR, don't play it. If you do, great, have fun! Either way, stop getting all Evangelical Christian on each other.
I fear it only gets worse from here. _______________ To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield | Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken | Rhaiko D'kana - SWTOR EU Guild Co-Founder | Is it what the teacher, teaches? Or what the student learns? A Dkana |
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planK - Jedi Council 
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You guys give me ulcers and headaches. If you don't like SWTOR, don't play it. If you do, great, have fun! Either way, stop getting all Evangelical Christian on each other. |
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Masta - Jedi Council 
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They are as subjective as books and movies, which is to say that some people can like bad books/movies and think good books/movies to be bad. _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. |
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Monteeeeeee - Nugget
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I found the more I played, the more I enjoyed it. My first impressions were not good. The game opening seemed cheap, and I was not impressed at all with the character creation screen. To me the graphics looked stupid and not star warsy at all.
Yes, you get used to craptor after a while as you do to bad smell. However the more I played the more I liked it. I really enjoyed the voice acting and story of the missions, and even the combat seemed to improve the more abilities I acquired. I'm really looking forward to launch now  Stop being so cynical games are subjective douche!  _______________ If you add me to MSN, tell me who you are
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Masta - Jedi Council
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Quote: I found the more I played, the more I enjoyed it. My first impressions were not good. The game opening seemed cheap, and I was not impressed at all with the character creation screen. To me the graphics looked stupid and not star warsy at all.
Yes, you get used to craptor after a while as you do to bad smell. However the more I played the more I liked it. I really enjoyed the voice acting and story of the missions, and even the combat seemed to improve the more abilities I acquired. I'm really looking forward to launch now _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. |
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Laziana - Jedi Instructor 
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Quote: The game opening seemed cheap...
I agree. Slow-mo pwnz0r coybow and single + staff saber wielding are both a big NO-NO. But them kids will surely love it and and scream "epic epic epic" all around the interwebs _______________ Proud owner of Buster Senatu's 200th & 300th, Muro's 370th, Maher's 2100th, Henkes' 1639th, Johauna's 400th, 666th and 900th, Sho Koon's 2000th and Kain Sol's 600th comment Download Laziana's lightsaber here! Glory to Arstozka! |
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Eica - Student 
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Even reading Masztoor's comment and everything else in here I'm not too worried from what I've heard, I'm sceptical about the novelty of the voice acting and story driven missions wearing thin after a while but I'm sure one of the biggest game projects of all time (and designed by some of the most reputable developers) will have some kind of longevity plan in mind. It would be nice if they reassured us about the endgame and re-playability though
And I hope the game has the same kind of immersive atmosphere SWG did. It really felt like you were on those planets when you were out in the wild _______________ Former padawan of RoseRed This comment was edited by Eica on Nov 29 2011 03:53am. |
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Alex Dkana - Staff 
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Quote: I found the more I played, the more I enjoyed it. My first impressions were not good. The game opening seemed cheap, and I was not impressed at all with the character creation screen. To me the graphics looked stupid and not star warsy at all.
However the more I played the more I liked it. I really enjoyed the voice acting and story of the missions, and even the combat seemed to improve the more abilities I acquired. I'm really looking forward to launch now Really can't agree with the graphics thing, but each to their own; Star Wars is just be one of those things people have a very clear picture of in their head regarding how it should look! For me it looks no more different to Star Wars than SWG did back in the day, and it's very KotOR-y. Glad to hear you grew to enjoy it though Jaina, and that you will be joining us.
My one gripe with the VA is that they haven't brought out a video introducing us to the different voice actors properly! In some ways choosing the right VA is the most important part of character creation now, it's such an important part of the game. As it is only certain VAs are confirmed and if you haven't gotten into the beta your even more in the dark. _______________ To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield | Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken | Rhaiko D'kana - SWTOR EU Guild Co-Founder | Is it what the teacher, teaches? Or what the student learns? A Dkana |
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Jaina D'Kana - Jedi Instructor 
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I found the more I played, the more I enjoyed it. My first impressions were not good. The game opening seemed cheap, and I was not impressed at all with the character creation screen. To me the graphics looked stupid and not star warsy at all.
However the more I played the more I liked it. I really enjoyed the voice acting and story of the missions, and even the combat seemed to improve the more abilities I acquired. I'm really looking forward to launch now _______________ INTP |
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Alex Dkana - Staff
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SWTOR kinda means lucasarts will not be planning for anything big for quite awhile :/ just some random shitty sw games that theyve been doing past few years. Yes, this has been my gripe with craptor ever since they announced it. Good bye KOTOR3 and all the other great things they could have done with their money and time. Way to jump on the WoW bandwagon with a product of mediocre quality. Whatever. That is only one reading into the situation. Considering everyone else seems to be concerned about the impact EA will have on post-release content it seems likely that LA will have minimal involvement. They -have- to be involved, because it's Star Wars, but did you see them stop making games after SWG came out? They are there in a supervisory role, and in TOR's case it's even smaller thanks to the EA BioWare set up. Not to mention that everything we have heard about the beginning of TOR points towards BioWare not even wanting to do a KotOR 3 and jumping at the chance to make an MMO. LA are capable of joint publishing this (or whatever their official role is) and still handling the development of other games. Whether it's publishing a title developed elsewhere like JK2/3 or making one in house like TFU. Let KotOR 3 go, I have. I don't think BioWare wanted to handle another IP unless it gave them something, and TOR has given them access to the MMO market and the possibility of a fully VA MMO. Not to mention that LucasMarketing doesn't work like some other franchises. Just because WoW has seemingly meant the death of a Warcraft game doesn't mean we won't see another single player RPG set back in the Old Republic era. It's unlikely whilst TOR is launching, but down the road who knows. Star Wars is a big place and they are working on expanding all the different eras right now. _______________ To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield | Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken | Rhaiko D'kana - SWTOR EU Guild Co-Founder | Is it what the teacher, teaches? Or what the student learns? A Dkana This comment was edited by Alex Dkana on Nov 28 2011 01:05pm. |
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Wolfwood - Student 
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To each his or her own really. Some like MMO's some don't .
It's a simple economy mechanism called supply and demand... There has been a large call/demand for a Star Wars MMO, so Lucasarts and Bioware jump on the bandwagon indeed. It's logical that they base their MMO on previous products of theirs that have been successful (KOTOR) and other MMO's that are successful (Warcraft). It's better to steal it correctly, then design it flawed. A potential new JK4 or what not would be a very big niche-game with a limited available audience. If I had to make the choice at Lucasarts, I would go for the MMO as well. Why invest into something that will yield a small return on investment, when you can invest in something big and really make a name for yourself? However, what a lot of people keep shouting is that it's a WoW-clone. Whilst that might be true gameplay wise, as in that it's another MMO where you have a bar with abilities and talents and you have to press your abilities to kill stuff, it is important to note that pretty much all MMO's work with that principle. Not just Warcraft. Adding to that, Warcraft has been based on other MMO's as well. They took the best aspects of those MMO's and created Warcraft with it. For me, I don't find SWTOR a WoW clone at all. It is another MMO, with MMO-gameplay. That makes sense. The differences lie in how the game utilizes the gameplay and allows characters to progress to the max-level. That said, there is one major difference in TOR that makes it 100 times better than WoW or any other MMO that I have played so far: The storyline and the chat-options. There's a different story line that persists through your leveling experience in TOR per class. In Warcraft it's just random "kill this"/"do that" quests with some mediocore story in a questingzone that ends when you've completed said questingzone. In TOR you have something to cling to that evolves and provides you with epic feeling. Adding to that, the chat options and choices you make towards light or darkside affliction is just plain awesome. My suggestion would be to look passed the fact that the gameplay is similar, since that is only logical since it's an MMO, and this type of MMO-gameplay is simply the success formula. Go install Star-Trek online, or City of Heroes, or Age of Conan, or whatever, and you'll encounter the same gameplay... When looking deeper into TOR, you really do see a major difference with Warcraft to be honest. I loved the beta, and I loved the game. Really looking forward to December to be honest. The fact that the graphics are supposedly not of the highest-quality doesn't bother me at all. I found the game looking neat, and it felt like it was working nice. Besides, when making an MMO (or playing it) one should not expect superb graphics since that would put a limit on the available people to play your game. In an MMO you want as much people to be able to play your game so you have to compromise between making your game look good, and being able to reach as many people as possible. In my opinion, both Bioware and Lucasarts have done a superb job to create a SW-universe that really feels like Star Wars, while providing you with unique never-before-seen options in an MMO. Big thumbs up to them! _______________ ~ Honor is a fool's prize. Glory is of no use to the dead ~ This comment was edited by Wolfwood on Nov 28 2011 11:18am. |
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Masta - Jedi Council 
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SWTOR kinda means lucasarts will not be planning for anything big for quite awhile :/ just some random shitty sw games that theyve been doing past few years. _______________ Find out more about the Jedi Academy Aurochs here and more about Masta here! Married to Kain. |
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planK - Jedi Council 
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I had a great time with the beta.
I'm currently sold on the fact that this game is going to be fun for a long time, and I'm looking forward to playing at launch. The gameplay isn't exactly revolutionary, but is soundly executed and killing enemies is satisfying. The graphics are great - I like the art style, but I can absolutely understand people's objections to it. It won't please everyone, but that's what makes it such a bold decision by Bioware. I'm absolutely fine with it. Fat twi'leks look weird though. This game shines in it's storytelling. I had a great time on Teamspeak with Laziana as we went through group dialogue when we were picking up quests and basically being the most evil bounty hunters ever. The best part about this game, and the reason I enjoy it so much when I generally dislike WoW-like MMO's, is because it makes you give a damn about the quests you're on. That, for me, is just AWESOME. So, all in all, I love this game and can't wait for December! |
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Alex Dkana - Staff
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@Laz: Guh now I'm sad that I wasn't around to play this weekend.  hehe.
I refuse to rule out a JK4. LA might seem dumb at times but they are always shuffling staff around and looking at their back catalogue for success. Jaden has recently had two books released with him as the main character for instance, and Kyle appears with increasing regularity. The Republic Commandos in The Clone Wars show is another example. A lot of people are still calling for Rep Com 2, Battlefront 3 and JK4. Going by recent industry trends and the way LA have been very quiet lately I rather suspect at least one of those franchises is going to get another game fairly soon. In the long run they could all get brought back. One point in favour of the JK series is that FPS/TPS hybrid's are reasonably popular right now. The JK series could easily branch out to being just a TPS as well. The double edged sword of this, is that it's a prime candidate for 'consolification' as some call it, not something I usually care about but obviously the JK series has a certain formulae we don't want to see changed too much. I wouldn't be surprised if it was suddenly Star Wars: Uncharted for example. /tangentover. @Saz: It depends just how involved LA are with the game. It's an EA BioWare title first and foremost, LA aren't developing it and thus are barely involved with the post release stuff I would have thought. _______________ To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield | Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken | Rhaiko D'kana - SWTOR EU Guild Co-Founder | Is it what the teacher, teaches? Or what the student learns? A Dkana This comment was edited by Alex Dkana on Nov 27 2011 09:45pm. |
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SaZ - Student 
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Quote: I think the game will suit my needs for a new SW game nicely for quite a while until the - impossible - announcement of JK4
SWTOR kinda means lucasarts will not be planning for anything big for quite awhile :/ just some random shitty sw games that theyve been doing past few years. _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana |
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Wolfwood - Student 
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I don't understand why people make the Graphics such a big issue. It's an MMORPG, so just think for a moment:
Bioware/Lucasarts want to reach the highest possible amount of people since they need to compete with Warcraft and all the other MMO's out there. If you make such a game, and only focus on creating the most high-end possible graphics, then only those with brand new PC's will be able to properly play your game. That's like shooting yourself in the foot before you want to run a marathon. It's about finding a balance in making your game look nice, and being able to ensure that as many people will be able to play it on as many different kinds of PC's. Simple as that really
It's an MMORPG, you can expect beforehand that the graphics will be ok/nice, but not Superb and state-of-the-art. Take the story instead, I have yet to see an MMO that has such an insanely well-scripted storyline that persists throughout your leveling period . _______________ ~ Honor is a fool's prize. Glory is of no use to the dead ~ |
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Laziana - Jedi Instructor 
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Of course, to each its own.
There are perfectly legitimate points and opinions on why someone might not like SWTOR. And even if they just say "meh" that's ok too. I am not saying to anybody: "You're wrong, because you are!" - that's just dumb. I dunno, I had lots of fun on this weekend (especially thanks to Mike and his hilarious comments on teamspeak) and I will play the game when it is released. Maybe I do not care about alot of the complaints or negative points because I never did too much research about it. Never actively posted on the swtor forums, didn't get into too much discussion, plus: not letting the hype get to me
I think the game will suit my needs for a new SW game nicely for quite a while until the - impossible - announcement of JK4
<3 _______________ Proud owner of Buster Senatu's 200th & 300th, Muro's 370th, Maher's 2100th, Henkes' 1639th, Johauna's 400th, 666th and 900th, Sho Koon's 2000th and Kain Sol's 600th comment Download Laziana's lightsaber here! Glory to Arstozka! |
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planK - Jedi Council
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People who dislike SWTOR are just as entitled to their opinions as those who love it. I don't get why people argue about it because you're never going to convince each other. |
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SaZ - Student
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we played, we told you our opinion and you kept going at us for whatever reason. lol
screenshots and videos can never compare to the rela thing. besides if we never said opinion about things that were known... what we would talk about really. _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana This comment was edited by SaZ on Nov 27 2011 08:57pm. |
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Laziana - Jedi Instructor
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Maybe I am crosseyed or totally blind, but I think it just looks like KOTOR, which is good.
When we are talking about graphics, please explain somthing to me. Because I do not comprehend what is going on. Here is the deal: There have been dozens of screenshots and fullhd movies. Everyone knew what is was going to look like. If the art style kills it for you, why even bother downloading the client in the first place? Why bother spending a part of the weekend testing it? Why taking up a place in the wait queue when you are gonna hate it for the graphics anyway? The graphics and the artstyle were two of the few things that were crystal clear from the very beginning, since the first screenshots you could get some direction. Why complain about them NOW? PLEASE enlighten me, because obviously I fail to see the point. But haters gonna hate, I presume. Btw: I do not think this game is perfect, I was never hyping it, I was never an MMO fanatic - but from what I have seen and experienced it seems like a very enjoyable gaming experience. And that is the ONLY thing that counts for me: Enjoying the game. You are free to tear my comment apart and bash me as you please. Go on! <3 Laz _______________ Proud owner of Buster Senatu's 200th & 300th, Muro's 370th, Maher's 2100th, Henkes' 1639th, Johauna's 400th, 666th and 900th, Sho Koon's 2000th and Kain Sol's 600th comment Download Laziana's lightsaber here! Glory to Arstozka! |
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Alex Dkana - Staff
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Quote: well for me the game looked more like clone wars tv series lol
it is an ok looking game for that style. The colour palette is similar but it's nowhere near angular enough in style really. The character models just look like improved KotOR style ones to me (well, some of the body options are stupid, but other than that). _______________ To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield | Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken | Rhaiko D'kana - SWTOR EU Guild Co-Founder | Is it what the teacher, teaches? Or what the student learns? A Dkana |
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SaZ - Student 
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well for me the game looked more like clone wars tv series lol
it is an ok looking game for that style. _______________ playing jk3 since 30th of january (2005), member since 1st of february. [Unofficial Master to Vision and Z�diac ] If you can make a fool of yourself infront of 300 people you can do anything - Jaiko D'kana This comment was edited by SaZ on Nov 27 2011 08:05pm. |
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I think a lot of people expect photo-realistic graphics that are a common style for single player games. Alex and Tallepyon have already explained the influence for the style.
The environments in SWTOR are quite amazing and breathtaking for a MMO, and the game can run on moderate to below average PCs. A few graphic options are still not in the game yet, like AA, as well, so keep that in mind. _______________ "Do or do not, there is no try" Jedi Master Yoda Dual Saberist |
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Alex Dkana - Staff
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Well, frankly, KOTOR seems much prettier than whole SWTOR. It's the style, which is totally unappealing for me in SWTOR.
TOR has the exact same style as KOTOR does. This. I see things wrongly compared to comic book or anime art styles far too often thesedays. It happened with DA2 as well. We all know TOR might now have the best graphics out there but it was never going to. It has perfectly serviceable graphics that outclass plenty of other MMOs out there; and an art style that is most certainly grounded in reality, no crazy big eyes or other exaggerations and plenty of familiarity for KotOR players. At one point the weapons were looking boxy and overly large but even that has changed for release. It just feels like we're seeing two completely different games. _______________ To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield | Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken | Rhaiko D'kana - SWTOR EU Guild Co-Founder | Is it what the teacher, teaches? Or what the student learns? A Dkana |
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