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.Templar. - ex-Student  |
Well guys.. I dont know if anyone has heard about this before, I just learned about this a few mins ago, a new law is being passed as you read this. A law that applies to Washington state only - Any retail salesman who sells any violent games where you can kill police, wemon, or people of different color (yes, people of different color than yourself), to anyone under the age of 18 will be charged five hundred dollars... Our country is lead by idiots who want nothing but for us to cut our grass, eat our dinner, go to school/work, come home, cut our grass, eat our dinner---- blah blah blah... Fools |
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Sniya - Student 
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To the gun thing in my mind there is no doubt, no hesitation,no question.Im 100% sure that guns should be banned,in the UK guns are banned therefore there is less Gun crime sure in replacement they use Knifes etc but at least knifes can be slightly easier handled by police and theier are less accidents.Every year thier are terrible accidents in america involving guns.And think back to the shootings in that school in america.That type of thing is more likely to happen in america as pointed out at the time.Why?because guns are easilly accessed mabey dad has some locked away mabey grampa keeps one.Mabey its unlikely to happen.But if the loss of guns mean that is even a tiny bit less likely to happen then its worth it. [i would continue but someone else needs cpu] _______________ The real question is not whether machines think but whether men do. Bertrand Russell http://www.thejediacademy.net/forums_detail_page.php?f_id=970 |
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Bodster - Ex-Student |
I look forward to the days when I can play "Virtual shopping". Or even better yet "Virtual sit on your arse in front of the TV" It's just like watching a real TV! |
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Bubu - Hubbub 
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When I'm angry or agitated, I play Unreal Tournament or some other shooting game and blow the crap out of characters in the game. If at any time in the future my right to click a mouse at moving pixels on my screen is taken away, I'll start unloading real guns with real bullets into the politicians who took it away. That'll teach 'em... Stupid bastards need to learn the difference between entertainment and reality. _______________ make install -not war |
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Buzz - Student 
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You know, my dad talks about watching westerns on saturday mornings where there was always a lot of shooting and killing. Does that mean that today we can blame the old westerns for violence committed by anyone over the age of let's say 30. Here's an amazing concept, people that are violent are going to buy violent games. The games aren't causing the problems, its the people. Watch there will be some study that Jack The Ripper was actually a violent killer because he had some violent paintings or something. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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Jello` - Student 
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Yeah, the cops just assume that all violence is because of video games, they even relied on it for the Sniper shootings of last year, they searched the guys house/trailer whatever and they found some 'voilent' game and blamed it on that and threw away everything else but no they couldent just assume it was because he was a phycho with some spare time they had to blame it on video games, which is total bullshit (pardon my language, but im trying to prove a point) America is turning into crap _______________ Brady Brothers: Orion-Greg, Furi0us-Peter, Me-Bobby. Long lost cousin to Flash. Midbie Council #007. Ex-JAK. |
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Ulic Belouve - Student 
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But you miss a point... I play violent video games, and I got arrested for beating someone up (Dec 2001). Thus, violent video games caused my violent actions. See, that's the bull crap that people use as statistics. But still, dumbasses argue that. They also argue that it was because the military trained me to fight, that made me use violence. Dumbasses. VUPD is a bunch of dumbasses. Oh yeah, I broke their record in their stats...they had no weapons possessions cases for 8 years, until me: (I'm the 1 in 2001) http://www.valpo.edu/vupd/crimestats.html Yeah, a military sword is a weapon, sure. It was for my military flight, dumbasses. The thing was more blunt than the backside of a butter knife. But the stats don't have my assault on there, right, ok. But I digress. It's the violence of the video games that makes me violent, sure. Dumbasses. _______________ Jedi do not fight for peace. That's only a slogan, and is as misleading as slogans always are. Jedi fight for civilization, because only civilization creates peace. This comment was edited by Ulic Belouve on Apr 24 2003 04:51am. |
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Buzz - Student 
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Let's see. Parent's should parent their children. What an amazing concept. That the people in charge of taking care of your should do their job rather than the government doing it for you. Now as for the stuff about all these other problems going on in the world. Terrorism is more of a federal issue than a state issue. The law you brought up was state. There isn't much that and individual state legislature can do. There are already laws to try and prevent crime and drugs, and you can't do a whole lot more beyond that you know. And even the federal government can't put all their focus on these issues. There are domestic issues that must be considered even in times like this. You probably can't get very far with the separation issue. They'll just say being a smoker or non-smoker isn't the same as being black or white. They won't listen to the fact that its a difference in lifestyle choices though. Guns - I don't own a gun. But I have uncle's in the NRA and I have friends that hunt. And making guns illegal doesn't solve the problems all your going to do there is take the guns out of law abiding citizens. A criminal isn't going to care about if him having a gun is legal or not he's already planning to break the law. If guns are illegal he just knows that there's a better chance the person he's going to rob won't have a gun. Most criminals are cowards. They PREY on people because they think the people are weaker than them. Also, just let another country try to invade us. Not only would they have to worry about our military, but also many of the citizens of the US as well. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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Jello` - Student 
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lol, this is bs. I am 13, and I play GTA3 only to take out anger on people, or when im bored... the rest of the time im play jk2... but this is just crap, 100% bullcrap _______________ Brady Brothers: Orion-Greg, Furi0us-Peter, Me-Bobby. Long lost cousin to Flash. Midbie Council #007. Ex-JAK. |
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.Templar. - Ex-Student 
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First let me start by quoting Billy "As far as the game thing, it's not the governments responsibility to keep these games/tv shows, etc. from the kids, it's the PARENT'S. If the parents don't know what their kids are doing, they should lock them up and not the guy at the store." -Amen brother Everyone seems to have misunderstood what I meant, the issue here isnt the fact of implementing a fine to underaged sales, its the fact that we are in a war, we have got serious issues in our country involving terrorism, gangs, drugs, murders, robberys, and all this good stuff, and they are focusing on the issue of a kid buying a game... Its completely moronic, let me tell you guys how it worked for me when I was a kid, my parents wouldnt let me do shit, no rated r movies, no bad video games, none of the "bad" stuff, yet I got it all, its not hard, and kids will do it nowadays too, if a kid wants something, hes going to get it, and making stupid laws like this just make the kids want to work for it more, and the main point I was making was they are basing a portion of a games mature rating on the COLOR of the people you kill, that is insane, thats flat out insane, they talk about all people are the same reguardless of color, yet they make a games rating on the color of the persons skin you are shooting, or that the person you are shooting has a vagina instead of a penis, thats just silly, it goes against everything they talk about with wemon being equals, and colors being equals, its kind of degrading for me to think that they have a problem with me killing a black person in a game, but no problem with a black person killing a white person. Now lets see here, the bar thing, I have several smoking friends, I used to smoke, I can see what some of you are saying you should be able to go to a bar and drink without breathing second hand smoke - one solution, make smoke-free bars, dont make all of the bars smoke-free, thats seperation, thats like saying I should be able to go to a bar and not have to sit in the same room as a black person, so they make the bars white only in new-york, its all seperation that should not occur, if you dont want to die early due to lung cancer or some other horrible disease or something, DONT LIVE IN NEW YORK, its nothing but exhaust, trash, smoke, and all those other good smells. And the weapons thing that someone asked about - I am a gun collecter, and weapon fanatic, I like to shoot guns, I like to hunt, and I have a right to according to the constitution, my father and uncle are both members of the NRA and I will soon be as well - The fact that they want to pull weapons away from us is silly - They figure that by taking all of the weapons away from their citizens, criminals will have no more guns to defend themselves - wrong. If they pass a ban on weapons in the USA, I will take my weapons, and leave the country - Once a country goes against what it was founded on, it is something I definately dont want to be a part of. |
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Mistral - Ex-Student 
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WTF? People of a different colour? Doesn't that cover everyone depending on who you are? When I play Vice City I don't discriminate, school buses, women, ambulances, cops, all fair game  .Real Life is full of enough rules as it is, I'll do whatever I like within the realms of fantasy/escapism. Screw the politicians  . This comment was edited by Mistral on Apr 23 2003 07:06pm. |
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Sniya - Student
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dj but back to the point about the bars,bars are for boozing not smoking its just something people often do while drinking.The barmen shouldnt need to put themselves at risk to get a job _______________ The real question is not whether machines think but whether men do. Bertrand Russell http://www.thejediacademy.net/forums_detail_page.php?f_id=970 |
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Vaughn - Student 
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ORO!!! i hope this doesnt matter in Canada...  _______________ When you become an actor, you become the person, and you dont act anymore. You just are. - Tyler HP, Taught by Mr G Simpson |
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Loaf - Ex-Student 
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i love england  . The shopkeepers are so lazy that they don't care if your under-18 _______________ The Notorious Conversation Killer |
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Aeth S'kray - Retired 
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Lol, YOU have problems. In whole Germany there is an institution that can put game on the index. Those games may not be soled to anyone over the age of 18 which in fact leads to the complete stop of its distribution. They even said C&C Generals would be such a youth-threatening game because it had strong reliance to the real world + you would use mass destruction weapons against civilians. All Doom or Unreal Games are officially not to be sold under the age of 18 as well... and soon a new law is coming out that will be even stricter. Games that have not been watched, for example import games, get the 18+-certificate aswell! Game designers have to produce censored versions without or for example green blood, replace men by robots and crap. I think our governement WANTS to destroy our economy  P.S. Personally I dislike smoking. It smells and ruins your health. But of course some of my friends do (though they all want to stop... suuure) and I figured out hiding in juice bars isnt my prefered choice so I just take it. But I wouldnt cry one tear if smoking would stop. What is it good for anyway? _______________ Aeth S'kray *June 2002 +September 2003 This comment was edited by Aeth S'kray on Apr 22 2003 09:24pm. |
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DJ Sith - Jedi Council 
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I support a persons right to do whatever they feel with their money and life. I don't smoke, but the people that do tell me its great? Who am i to stop them then? As for the whole "health" thing... I'd figure that an OBVIOUS job hazard of working in a bar is 2nd hand smoke. Likewise for the patrons. If you go to a bar you're gonna smell like smoke when you leave. If you can't take the heat get your ass out of the kitchen and go back to your oxygen and juice bars. On the topic of video games. It's stuff like this that I lump in with things like parents putting helmets on their kids when they go ice skating andcensoring the word 'breast' fron the internet for their kid. Overprotection is what's turning todays kids into complacent little sh*ts who can now only express themselves through MTV or their clothes or whatnot. I think we ALL learned that nerfing things doesn't make the situation better. Just look at all the hoohah the JK2 patches caused. _______________ My car is made of Nerf. |
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Sniya - Student 
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I dont tihnk smoking should be alould in bars it puts bar staff at high risk the smokers should need to find a place to smoke not the other way round its a smokers choice to do that to thier lungs the non-smokers.I remember hearing of a guy who smoked and a friend who didnt who regullary smoked.They were good friends but the non-smoker got lung cancer. If you cant tell im qite oposed to smoking _______________ The real question is not whether machines think but whether men do. Bertrand Russell http://www.thejediacademy.net/forums_detail_page.php?f_id=970 |
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Battlin' Billy - Student 
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I agree with you Buzz. If you don't want to smell smoke, don't go to a place where people smoke. I'm a smoker, and if I'm at a place that asks it's patrons to not smoke, I don't, or I go outside if I need to. And the law WAS put into effect to "protect" the people that work at these places. Oh, and what do the gun laws have to do with any of this or the games and TV? _______________ Midbie Council Member #2 - Profile ID 2073 | Member of B@rtM@ulS@ar | Owner of Monty's 2000th comment & D@RtHM@UL's 8100th comment | Former Padawan of SilkMonkey & Arcuss JA Goaltender & NHL Fan | Fellow Rush fan to Axion|Plo Koon is my oldest JA friend Post your RL pics HERE! | Post you JK2/JK3 screenies HERE! |
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Buzz - Student
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Um Master Ulic. The bar owners don't have a choice. In New York all bars have to be non smoking now. A bartender cannot make a bar smoking. A bartender can't open up a bar just for smokers. A bar can't even have a separate room for smoking. Its people deciding that something is better for you than making your own choice. Ask a smoker sometime if a person held a gun to their head and told them to light up. Same thing can be said about places that allow smoking. No one is forcing you to go in there if you don't want to be around people smoking. *Edit: Taken from an article this is what the smoking ban in new york is for "The ban covers all workplaces, including bars, small restaurants, bingo parlors and other venues not covered by the city's previous smoking law. Owners of establishments could be fined $400 for allowing smoking and eventually could have their business licenses suspended."* And don't twist my words. I didn't say liberals. I said liberal socialistic people. If I wanted to say liberals or democrats I would have. Socialism is just a more benign form of communism as well. And the fact is that you don't see as many conservatives saying that they know what is better for you than you yourself so they're going to implement every law and government program and every aspect of society should be regulated by them and not let the parents decide what's right for their children or grown people can't make their own choices. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. This comment was edited by Buzz on Apr 22 2003 06:19pm. |
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Ulic |retired| - Student 
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You're absolutely wrong. The problem with smoke is, you can smell it in the whole bar, you inhale it, your clothes and hair start stinking. It's not for the ones who take jobs at the bar, it's for the ones who want to enter the bar. Everyone has the right to enter a public facility without being smoked through. Those people go first in this matter, and if a bartender decides to make his bar a smoking bar, that's ok. Not the other way around. And it IS the responsibility of the government to provide a safe environment. The US' stupid weapon law disrupts this goal. _______________ Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam |
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Battlin' Billy - Student 
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No smoking in all public buildings except bars! You go there to drink (which isn't healthy either). I say if you don't want to inhale smoke, don't get a job at a bar. It's a given (until recently) that bar=smoke and these people got jobs there anyway. It's not right to get a job somewhere and then tell them how to run their place of business. Again, if you don't want to be around smokers, don't get a job at a bar DUH! If the ownere of the bar on the other hand decides that there's no smoking in his bar, that's fine. By the same token, with this new law, if an owner says he wants to allow smoking, that should be his/her decision, not the government's. As far as the game thing, it's not the governments responsibility to keep these games/tv shows, etc. from the kids, it's the PARENT'S. If the parents don't know what their kids are doing, they should lock them up and not the guy at the store. _______________ Midbie Council Member #2 - Profile ID 2073 | Member of B@rtM@ulS@ar | Owner of Monty's 2000th comment & D@RtHM@UL's 8100th comment | Former Padawan of SilkMonkey & Arcuss JA Goaltender & NHL Fan | Fellow Rush fan to Axion|Plo Koon is my oldest JA friend Post your RL pics HERE! | Post you JK2/JK3 screenies HERE! |
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Ulic |retired| - Student
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I think smoking should be forbidden in all public buildings. It's not up to the smokers to choose wether they want it or not, it's up to the people who wish to live a healthy live. I'm glad to open a discussion, meet me in IRC. About the games, a bit....overreacted. But I can understand why it's done, with all the violence on tv and in games and the idiotic weapon policy of the US it's not surprising that kids kill half a school. And Buzz, liberal is not controlling people's lives as much as possible, that's communism. _______________ Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam This comment was edited by Ulic |retired| on Apr 22 2003 04:34pm. |
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Buzz - Student
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As for it being unable to transport cigarettes that way. That could partly be due to the chemicals that are found in cigarettes. One of them being benzene, a known carcinogen. I personally don't agree with all the other stuff about cigarette smoking in bars and such. The claim is to protect the people working there, so if they get lung cancer 20 years down the line they can't sue the place they worked. I still don't know how the claim that second hand smoke is worse than actually smoking. since your sucking in everything when you smoke and are getting a dilute amount in the air from second hand. As for the game thing. Yeah that's stupid but its just expanding on a law that already exists. Games that are rated Teen or Mature are only supposed to be bought by people old enough to play them. Most registers in stores now have it where the cashier is prompted to confirm the age of the person buying the game and to choose yes or no. They already aren't supposed to sell the games to those that the game is not made for. Your whining about this about the same as a 15 year old complaining that the guy that he bought his 24 pack of bud light from is going to jail. If you're not supposed to have it they are allowed to penalize the person that gave it to you. Just remember that this is the kind of stuff people like Tipper Gore wanted done with music and the like and why there are those parental advisories on those. There are many liberal socialistic people out there that want to control everything you have access too and where all of your money should go for the good of society. You know, "I know what should be done with your money better than you do." _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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Battlin' Billy - Student
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As far as the no smoking in bars thing: It makes no sense that you can't smoke in a bar, yet you're more than welcome to inhale all the pollution in the air, especially in the big cities. I say screw the politicians, you want me to quit smoking, drinking, getting high, etc., they'll have to kill me! _______________ Midbie Council Member #2 - Profile ID 2073 | Member of B@rtM@ulS@ar | Owner of Monty's 2000th comment & D@RtHM@UL's 8100th comment | Former Padawan of SilkMonkey & Arcuss JA Goaltender & NHL Fan | Fellow Rush fan to Axion|Plo Koon is my oldest JA friend Post your RL pics HERE! | Post you JK2/JK3 screenies HERE! |
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.Templar. - Ex-Student 
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OMG thats not even the worse billy.. Its illegal to smoke in bars in alot of states now.. WTF IS THAT? Your going to a f***ing bar to get laid and get aids, or get drunk and rot your liver, so you cant smoke now? Please, this is supposed to be a partially free country, its turning into a damn communism, soon its going to be so bad, that it will be just like every housewife wants it, kiddies ride to school in their super safe electric school busses, to their school where they dont use sharp pencils, only crayons that have been dulled down from their origional edge, and wear clothing that is hideous, then eat their nasty nutritional vegetarian bs lunches (milk included), then they ride home in their special busses again, only to sit in the house and study over the pages in their textbooks until they have memorized everything word for word, and sex will no longer be a part of life, nor will alcohol, drugs, hell, we wont even be able to ride bikes or play hockey! it will all be too violent and dangerous!!!! |
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Battlin' Billy - Student
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Fools indeed! Isn't this still America? What the hell is going on. I just found out that cigarettes are no longer allowed to be transported into NY State via UPS, USPS, FedEx, etc. I still can't find out why. If they think that's gonna get people to quit smoking, guess again! It's just gonna get them really P/Oed. I guess it could be worse, Saddam Hussein isn't running this country. _______________ Midbie Council Member #2 - Profile ID 2073 | Member of B@rtM@ulS@ar | Owner of Monty's 2000th comment & D@RtHM@UL's 8100th comment | Former Padawan of SilkMonkey & Arcuss JA Goaltender & NHL Fan | Fellow Rush fan to Axion|Plo Koon is my oldest JA friend Post your RL pics HERE! | Post you JK2/JK3 screenies HERE! |
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