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You know, I;m wondering if the Council people ever think things through real well. You close threads that are jokingly, and even SAY so, that they are "tongue-in-cheek". You harp on anyone who might offend YOU, but never mind how you might offend the little guy. You're the Council. You're the head instructor. You made the JA Mod. Big deal. You should be subject to the same thing. Regular guys post an offensive pic...whoo boy, dive for cover. But a Council guy posts a porn link in IRC, well, he's still around. You get all the unbalanced crap out there, and what's wors, it's not unbalanced because you are right, but unbalanced because you guys don't think. And then you send me a "this is not the place for it, Ulic, file your complaints with the Council." For the 20th time, I have. You guys slip away with the whole "we're not perfect". Well neither are we. But we get the two warning limit. You guys must be on your tenth. I also know for a fact that I've pissed off the Council. I'm almost certain now that Huxley is against me, he has been for a while. And the undeniable fact: you make rank by sucking up to the Council. That's how I made Knight in 2 months, but since I stepped down and refuse to suck up to such incompetence, I'll never get back to Knight. So you point at me for racism stuff. It was joking around. What about all the blonde jokes, or priest jokes? Where's the offensiveness in that? Maybe I'm just being a bitch. But I'm tired of the rogue, random acts of the Council. So close this one too. It threatens you, the council. You can't stand to have someone point out the fact that the Council may not be effective as a whole. It's a game, but you can't make accusations against me that are unbased. I don't like some hot-shot Council member, staff, Master, whatever, swooping in here and calling me something I'm not, and just wielding their power like a club. I can list the offenses of Council members, JATs, and Masters. I wouldn't have to try so hard. But go against the council like I have? Wow. That is far more worse than the sum of all the transgressions the Council has done. So you call me what you like. Call me what you think. I'll can call you fascist. I'll can call you a "repressive regime." So what if YOU aren't? You don't care if what I'm referred to is a lie, so why should I care if this new title of the Fascist Council is a lie? Good luck fixing it. I trust you'll do just the same poor job as everything else. But I've better things to do. Like prep my research for the UN. Oh, that's right I forgot. According to you guys I'm an idiot who doesn't know anything. I'd represent you guys at the UN, but such idiocy is frowned upon. Actually, I'll represent the good students. Not the Council, not the heads of the Academy. _______________ Jedi do not fight for peace. That's only a slogan, and is as misleading as slogans always are. Jedi fight for civilization, because only civilization creates peace. This post was edited by Ulic Belouve on Jun 03 2003 08:50pm. |
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doobie - Jedi Council 
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I'm closing this thread. It's just becoming a pissing match between a small number of people, and it keeps getting worse. If you all feel you have something constructive to add to the public discourse then feel free to make a new thread, but otherwise... Ulic, JACs, we've all made our points, we all disagree, and we've all gotten way too angry, upset, offended, and personal about all of this. We're all wrong in some ways, and we're all right in some ways. Ulic, I'm sorry you were offended. You can take that as an olive branch from a council member or you can take that as a weak attempt to smooth things over. I hope you take it the first way. But things have gotten so far out of hand that it's now just childish, petty bickering from BOTH SIDES. We JACs haven't been angels in this argument, but so far I see neither side as extremely willing to bow down to the other sides wishes. If you have anything else to say on the matter please direct it to the respective inbox of whoever you'd like to say it to (and I'm talking to everyone here), but beyond that please, we've all made points and all of the points have been taken into consideration. Now lets move on and try to have a small amount of peace. (Note to Ulic, I can see your first objection coming, that I'm trying to sweep this under the rug. I'm not at all, I just don't see the point in everyone continuing to badmouth each other. Trust me, I've read everything you've said and have taken your points into consideration). _______________ -Academy Leader/Dictator/Defeater of DJ Sith and JACen Solo in the JAK+ Tournament -I do think it (the JA) will help convert dozens, maybe hundreds, to the dork nation... --me |
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Kueller - Student 
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I'll smoke as long as there weed in it!! _______________ Personal sleepness-nights-supporter of Virtue. Owner of the 1000th comment of Daidalus and 1943th comment of Gradius! Owner of the 300th comment of Carda! -Taught Gradius all his laming skills
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Mistral - Ex-Student 
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Order! Order! Case no 1004, The Jedi Academy vs Ulic Belouve Kangaroo court now in session. j/k Seriously, though I'm impressed with the amount of wisdom evident in some of the posts here I'm equally unimpressed by others. Silent Whisper, you've once again used the word racist. Is this what the mighty jedi are reduced to? Name calling? Although I appreciate that everyone has a right to voice their opinion, too many of those opinions are borne out of anger, getting us nowhere. We're the Jedi Academy, we're in this together and we must rise above this. There's a problem, we can either fix it or admit that it's too much for us. To this end I propose we channel our energy into sorting this mess out. Lay it to rest. How? Dunno. Peacepipe?  This comment was edited by Mistral on Jun 03 2003 03:22pm. |
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I can only agree with Fonz' post earlier; you are entitled to your opinion, and should express it, but you need to do it in the right tone. When they want something changed in the UN they're somewhat rational, right (talking generally)? JA might be political, to a certain point, but this should in no way be a war. I wont come with too much about this topic as I don't know much about the way of the JAC's (or the way of any of the other ranked), but I have to disagree. As I see it the JAC's try to do their best, this might not always be the right thing, from a certain point of view, but you must remember one thing: You can NEVER make everyone happy, not when there's so many different people here. Dunno if that even has the slightest interrest for you guys..... |
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I am quite disturbed by this post. I am not saying you shouldn't have posted it, because it's your opinion and you are entitled to it. I just want to say that I don't agree with you. I've known Huxley for quite some time (not as good as some of you of coarse) and I have met DJ some times too. I like them, they are human beings too (sorry for the des-illusion you guys ) and act that way. They are not all-powerfull, and because they get so many things to deal with (and RL) they will sometimes not be able to size up the situation right. We must think rationally and accept that, and think at the same time that these guys keep the site and the place running (of coarse with help of some others). And as with every country and every political system THERE IS NO PERFECT WAY. There is only the least bad way. Of coarse you can go wrong sometimes, and sometimes you do other things, and sometimes you just want to act as normal people together in the chat room. I don't know if I made a point here, because I really can't see one. But what I wrote comes from myself and the place that the JA is. And I know what a beautifull place it is, since a lot of people have helped me in some very nasty times.*goes and takes a nap between the others that read this post* _______________ Personal sleepness-nights-supporter of Virtue. Owner of the 1000th comment of Daidalus and 1943th comment of Gradius! Owner of the 300th comment of Carda! -Taught Gradius all his laming skills
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Fizz of Belouve - Student 
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I took the time to read through this whole bunch of responses - and some have really surprised me while others didnt. Buzz really upset me with his post - (and as I just watched bowling 4 Columbine yet once again) - u were reffering to the United Nations as the Useless Nations - probably reffering to Iraq and other crisis - this point of view makes me grief. Of course it is everyones right to express his thoughts - but just as whispy said - u gotta dig to find out what lies below the surface - but everyone seems too tired or lazy or simply not interested! Someone stated out that Ulic takes this as a political issue - guess what: it IS a political issue. The JA indeed is a political system - a small one, but nevertheless it _is_ one. I appreciate that Ulic brings out his issues to open discussion - as this is the way to resolve it. _______________ One of the Belouve boys, founder of the mighty FiZZsters Midbie council #20 - Fizz - #1933 - Jan '03 - Aug '04 "Renfield, you idiot!" |
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For as far as i have seen in this post it is clear that Ulic is having quite a personality problem. I address myself to Ulic: 'Ulic, I have no idea what happened in the passed that did this to you but it's time to snap out of it and take a look at urself and then right back at the Jedi Academy and its true intention (read on the website!). This community has been established, first of all for gamers around the world, to become a better player at the game but ever so important to create bonds of friendship and meet new ppl all over the world! Talking about politics is fine by me but it shouldn't be mixed up with the JA so it's time to put some harmony back in ur life there and get happy!!' Peace out... ps: good luck in ur future life. _______________ Lineage: son of Mystique, father of Nocturne. |
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Well I agree with Fonz. Your actions would be three times effective if you would stay reasonable and calm Ulic. And, dammit, keep your political aspects out of this. Maybe it's just me, but I think you are dealing with this subject like you were in a political arguement. "Nemesis, e-mail me. I want to see what you can contribute to this fight. Anyone else who wants to aid, drop me a line." "Man. I already had enough ammo. They just keep giving me more." That's just not neccessary. You *search* for the trouble, you *want* to find things you can argue about. That doesnt look to me like if you want to have peace at all. And this is not a war, Ulic, with enemys and allies. So stop handling it like it was one, if you want to argue, go to your parliaments. Listen, this is not to make you leave, it's a simple rule I follow: You are here freewilling. Noone forces you to be here. So, if you dont like it anymore, leave it. Sounds simple, doesnt it? _______________ Aeth S'kray *June 2002 +September 2003 This comment was edited by Aeth S'kray on Jun 03 2003 10:32am. |
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hop hop ....monty hopping through the forums ...... hop hop _______________ If you add me to MSN, tell me who you are
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Sared - Retired 
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And to think...sites like this are created for the sole purpose of bringing people together who enjoy the same thing and enjoy doing it together.... What a pity it could have stayed that way. (And for the record, I am choosing to stay as neutral as possible here, so excuse me while I go fetch everyone a banana. ) _______________ I'm crazy, not stupid. |
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hmmmm well since I'm being singled out I suppose I should say more than one sentence. First of all I HAVE apologized before. You just aren't around when I do so. Second, I'd like to remind everyone here how biased you are against women. I'd like to remind everyone that YOU have ADMITTED to HATING women, regardless why. Your opinions towards me are nothing but bitter because of my gender. Because of this you sir ARE INDEED SEXIST(edited). I don't talk or listen to you is because of that reason. Any opinion of yours toward me is invalid. If you leave, meh, there will be 5 more to replace you. If you stay, you should really look in the mirror and ask why you do what you do. Comment edited: Meant to be SEXISM, not RACISM. My Apologies.Yes, apologies. _______________ "I have learned from Vergere only that there is no such thing as sides of the Force....for the side is merely a reflection of your intentions of the Force. Use it in hate, and it will be hate. Use it offensively in good, and you will find my Truth." -Jacen Solo, "Traitor", New Jedi Order This comment was edited by Silent Whisper on Jun 03 2003 10:24pm. |
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Lord Exar Kun - Student 
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Ulic, you're way out of line here. As far as I remember, I worked hard to become knight, and never sucked my way up. Maybe you did, and if so, I feel sorry for you. Calling the council fascists is not the way to behave we expect from a former Knight. The things you wrote make no sense at all. I dont know what heppened between you and the council, but this is not the way to solve it. I don't think may students are with you in this matter. The council are the people who have set up this place and are working hard to maintain it. Many people are very greatfull for that. Maybe you aren't, but, as Qel-Droma pointed out, maybe you should leave then. I'm sorry to see this kind of posts from you. Once you were a respected person, now you lost it all.... _______________ -Retired april the 19th 2004 |
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Ulic |retired| - Student 
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Fellow Ulic, I do not think you have the right to treat the council the way you do. If this an attempt to sabotage it and the whole academy, it won't work. Most of the students are loyal to the Council, they have made this place work. They have made the rules, and we have to follow them. If you don't like what the council does, go away. The council wishes the best for the academy and its students, they are always reasonable and open to criticism but the way you critized them is not the right one. Why do you blow this up? You must have got more important things to do in New York. _______________ Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam |
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DJ Sith - Jedi Council 
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Do I think Huxley is over the top calling you a racist, Ulic? Yes. Am I going to discipline him in public? No. You wouldn't know it from my actions as a JAC, but I enjoy "off color" humor quite a bit. But since I am where I am in the JA I don't go about having my yucks because I don't want to offend anyone. Sure I think people need to lighten up if they get miffed at a slavery joke, but there are *well* within their right to get angry, and I can see why they would be angry. It's the same thing weith swearing or other nasties in profile pics. Were I a student I wou;dn't give a rats ass if someone swore in their pic or someone told a 9/11 joke. But I am where I am, and I need to respect the wishes of the students around here. If I get one complaint about a thread, picture, or whatever I'm sure that others feel the same way but aren't telling me. That's fine. I can understand if someone didn't want to bring it to my attention. But if I *do* get a complaint I'll take action. It's as simple as that. I won't go about calling names, but I'll do my thing. As for how we work... Admittedly we work slow. We all have real life things to deal with lately. Maybe we're getting stressed. Whatever. I'm sorry you don't like our process. I read your letters again, and I like the idea of the concept that a leader "serves" and not "rules". I daresay that Doobie and I are out of touch with the place. My computer still locks when I play JK2, and I don't know Doob's excuse. We rely heavily on the JAKs and JATs to be our eyes and ears for when we're making decisions. I suppose this can promote the image of a "good ol' boy" kind of system, which I would really like to avoid. Again my apologies for reading your letters so late. They provide a good insight. My train of thought is beginning to derail... Keep posting here, folks. I'd like to know your opinions on these matters. I'm going to get some sleep.  _______________ My car is made of Nerf. |
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JavaGuy - Student 
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Um, well... Look at my wookie! _______________ My signature is only one line. You're welcome. |
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Mistral - Ex-Student 
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I want a massage . |
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ioshee - Student 
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arcuss gives GREAT massages... ...not that I would know or anything  _______________ One of the Belouve boys |
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JP - Academy Pimp 
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Ulic this is a place to have fun, enjoy yourself, if your not, leave its that easy, if you getting this hyped up over a video game community, i would hate to see how you react to a real life problem, moral of the story kids, council may be alittle touchy some times, but i dont blame them, they have draw the line somewhere, five overlooking 200 or something like that, im just hear to have some fun, this is the most serious ive ever been in this place, on Ulics point bout sucking up, hes true that some people do, but some of us are just fun loving people who just like to make friends, so would you call me a suck up?? the only person i had problems with is that damn lamer hacker dude, other than that every single one of you, are friends or potential friends, even u Ulic, i just think you need to calm down,and i think u need a massage you sound kinda tense. _______________ Come on now, every Generation X boy wanted to be Luke Skywalker. Is it because he was a whiney farm boy from some backwater hack planet? No, it's because he was a FREAKING JEDI. He could block lasers with his lightsaber. He could levitate droids & rocks & crap with his mind. Come on, he choked two pig dudes with just a simple gesture. He cut off Darth Vader's hand and kicked him down a flight of stairs. He got his @$$ zapped by lightning from the geezer Emperor, stood up and said "s'at all you got b!tc#??" This comment was edited by JP on Jun 03 2003 05:33am. |
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Ulic, I'm afraid that you have approached this issue in a completely immature and frankly abusive fashion, whilst i appreciate the strength of your feeling your approach has been thoughtless. Personally i feel that, to a certain extent the concepts of equality etc. are taken a step beyond their intention; that is to say that I feel that having a joke at the expense of race (for example) is legitimate, providing it is not done in an abusive fashion. We seem to take ourselves so seriously in this day and age, personally i think that we have to be able to joke about things to get through life, and in this sense (and i know that this is going to offend huge numbers of people - but frankly we are all entitled to our opinions, i make no apologies for the following), i would not have problems with people having a laugh and joke about September 11th, and before you all say "you don't have a clue about that day" i would like to point out that some friends of mine died in the Warrington and Manchester bombings in the UK so i do have a vague idea what i'm talking about! Equally i welcome jokes about this thing: "It's the best thing that's happened to Warrington - it's only a shame more wasn't knocked down" is such an example, when said in the correct tone and in appropriate circumstances i would find this amusing, in other circumstances i would not. Whilst i don't know about the circumstances in question the following applies anyway: Whilst i feel the council can be over the top in shutting down threads and that some people complain too readily about certain issues, we have agreed to abide by their (the council's) rules and as such we should do so. It is one thing to propose rule changes (privately or otherwise), it is a completely separate issue to abuse the way the council chooses to run the academy. Whilst Ulic may have a point in relation to certain areas of his post, i believe it is a greivous insult to suggest that those people who have made Knight or Trainer have not worked for it, equally the council members put in huge amounts of work and it is unjust to suggest that the council has secondary agendas or that they are unjust in the running of the academy. As far as i have noticed, there are no double standards between the way council members are treated and the way students are treated, my view point may be disputed here however, either way, the approach of this thread is (to say the least) wide of the mark. I would have had a lot more respect for your opinions had your arguments been followed through in a reasonable fashion as it is, whilst i agree (to a certain extent) with some of the points you raise; mainly those relating to censorship (which i believe is taken to far), i completely abhore the way these points are raised. I appreciate that everyone needs to sound off once in a while and vent frustration, next time however, please follow your arguments through to conclusion without resorting to petty insult throwing: e.g. "Good luck fixing it. I trust you'll do just the same poor job as everything else." This does noone any good and merely arouses emotional responses (like this one). Personally i feel that the council do a stand up job, and whilst i feel that other people's opinions are valid and should be voiced (i commend DJ on making sure this thread stays open - even if you weren't given much choice politically in the matter ), the manner in which these views are presented to the community needs to be addressed in a much more mature and much less offensive manner.-Fonz _______________ Support bacteria, they're the only culture some people have. This comment was edited by Fonz on Jun 03 2003 04:55am. |
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You know, I forgot about the "Why didn't you just say you're taking applications for the KKK too." Man. I already had enough ammo. They just keep giving me more. _______________ Jedi do not fight for peace. That's only a slogan, and is as misleading as slogans always are. Jedi fight for civilization, because only civilization creates peace. |
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Mistral - Ex-Student
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Holy shit. With stupid comments like "Why didn't you just say you're taking applications for the KKK too." and being called a racist I'm not surprised your pissed off Ulic. Not good. Personally I think the fool who complained should be slapped around until he develops a sense of humour, morons like that are sad, pathetic creatures. I mean I could see the point if you were intentionally trying to offend or degrade, but, (just a wild guess) you weren't. Could he/she not recognise a joke? Do we start censoring everything that could offend? "sexism" "yo momma's so fat" "baby eating" "drug use" "oral sex" All these and more have been mentioned in these forums. I don't find any of them offensive but you can bet some poof does. Is there a point to this post? Probably not. Just stating the obvious .Can't wait til we all start suing each other  . |
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Sared - Retired
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*burp* Sorry, had to say something to lighten the mood. _______________ I'm crazy, not stupid. |
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Ulic Belouve - Student 
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To quote the (debatably) great Huxley: "Jeez, talk about being racist and out of line." Excuse me? Since when do the esteemed Council members (who get positions through contributions/"dedication"/bribery to the JA) stoop to such levels as to call someone racist? Again, at what point does calling someone racist coincide with the issues of respect? Oh. You were not serious. You were not directly calling me racist. Well, I think you are. And... Oh. I was not serious with the slave-trading thread. I wasn't directly making racist claims in joke. But someone thought I was. So if someone THINKS so, then it is, huh? Well, I THINK the Council called me racist. As so, therefore, they did. Or is Huxley not a viable representative of the Council? If so, get rid of him. I've e-mailed my complaints. I can post those e-mails. I have logs. I can post those logs. I have screenshots and demos, I could post them. But I did not. I trusted the handling of discipline to the Council. But the Council does not properly discipline their own. They slap them on the hand, and then allow them to "represent" the Council by calling students racist. Yeah, that works out. I've given up on most of the Council. Whispy simply tells me that I cannot understand the process, being one who is outside it. I understand this point better than her: the Council isn't working. It makes people who call others racist, are somehow creates a "Council immunity" where they don't face as harsh punishment. You know what? Huxley called me racist. He'll stay on the council. Because he admins stuff. Such bribery might be below many, but not him. And the argument that the slave auction thing should have been in the crazy forum, well, auctioning should be in the crazy forum. And what about the polls against Trekked? Hmmm? There are people casting votes for bad things to happen to a student. Maybe someone finds that offensive. But Trekked isn't council, so no one cares about him. But would the placement of a post really be relevant in its offensiveness? Hmmm? What if I were touchy on blonde jokes? Or what about all those comments that say "{name} shoots himself". What if I take offense to such things that make refernece to suicide? Oh. You're just kidding. So was I, but no one cares. The Council just sits around, lets Council members call others racist, and pulls these Council members to a different diciplinary line. I distinctly made my apology in the offending thread, stating it was a joke, merely wishing to keep it up in a friendly manner. Actually, I've made many apologies for a variety of items. When has the Council apologized? Oh, sure, maybe DJ or Doobie has apologized, for someone else's mistake, or the minor ones that they themselves made, but Silent (or any other Council member) has pissed me off in the past, I apologize, nothing from her. So what? This whole thing is still imbalanced. I doubt the Council will yet reform, though DJ may find the suggestions I made 2 MONTHS AGO, that he is just getting to now (apology accepted, DJ, but still...). You'll find them to be a decent idea, proposal, whatever. But then again, the Council will reject them because I'm not that smart, I'm just complaining, and now, I'm racist too. Thanks guys. I'll just chat-kill people in the servers too, since no one seems to care about respect. Not in the Council, anyways. But I'm leaving my grievances as is. If you tell me I should have e-mailed them, I did. That's what created the e-mail that DJ has not gotten to for two months. So my LAST complaint took two months to be read, so why complain now? Besides, the Council just goes to a different disciplinary line than the rest of us. Nemesis, e-mail me. I want to see what you can contribute to this fight. Anyone else who wants to aid, drop me a line. _______________ Jedi do not fight for peace. That's only a slogan, and is as misleading as slogans always are. Jedi fight for civilization, because only civilization creates peace. |
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Mistral - Ex-Student
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 DRAMA Gotta love it .What happened to all the "respect your fellow jedi" stuff? Still, tantrums amuse me, keep em comin' . This comment was edited by Mistral on Jun 03 2003 01:28am. |
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JavaGuy - Student
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Look at my wookie! _______________ My signature is only one line. You're welcome. |
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Lian Del Rey - Student 
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Man JJ was mean _______________ slorp |
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