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You know, I;m wondering if the Council people ever think things through real well. You close threads that are jokingly, and even SAY so, that they are "tongue-in-cheek". You harp on anyone who might offend YOU, but never mind how you might offend the little guy. You're the Council. You're the head instructor. You made the JA Mod. Big deal. You should be subject to the same thing. Regular guys post an offensive pic...whoo boy, dive for cover. But a Council guy posts a porn link in IRC, well, he's still around. You get all the unbalanced crap out there, and what's wors, it's not unbalanced because you are right, but unbalanced because you guys don't think. And then you send me a "this is not the place for it, Ulic, file your complaints with the Council." For the 20th time, I have. You guys slip away with the whole "we're not perfect". Well neither are we. But we get the two warning limit. You guys must be on your tenth. I also know for a fact that I've pissed off the Council. I'm almost certain now that Huxley is against me, he has been for a while. And the undeniable fact: you make rank by sucking up to the Council. That's how I made Knight in 2 months, but since I stepped down and refuse to suck up to such incompetence, I'll never get back to Knight. So you point at me for racism stuff. It was joking around. What about all the blonde jokes, or priest jokes? Where's the offensiveness in that? Maybe I'm just being a bitch. But I'm tired of the rogue, random acts of the Council. So close this one too. It threatens you, the council. You can't stand to have someone point out the fact that the Council may not be effective as a whole. It's a game, but you can't make accusations against me that are unbased. I don't like some hot-shot Council member, staff, Master, whatever, swooping in here and calling me something I'm not, and just wielding their power like a club. I can list the offenses of Council members, JATs, and Masters. I wouldn't have to try so hard. But go against the council like I have? Wow. That is far more worse than the sum of all the transgressions the Council has done. So you call me what you like. Call me what you think. I'll can call you fascist. I'll can call you a "repressive regime." So what if YOU aren't? You don't care if what I'm referred to is a lie, so why should I care if this new title of the Fascist Council is a lie? Good luck fixing it. I trust you'll do just the same poor job as everything else. But I've better things to do. Like prep my research for the UN. Oh, that's right I forgot. According to you guys I'm an idiot who doesn't know anything. I'd represent you guys at the UN, but such idiocy is frowned upon. Actually, I'll represent the good students. Not the Council, not the heads of the Academy. _______________ Jedi do not fight for peace. That's only a slogan, and is as misleading as slogans always are. Jedi fight for civilization, because only civilization creates peace. This post was edited by Ulic Belouve on Jun 03 2003 08:50pm. |
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doobie - Jedi Council 
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I'm closing this thread. It's just becoming a pissing match between a small number of people, and it keeps getting worse. If you all feel you have something constructive to add to the public discourse then feel free to make a new thread, but otherwise... Ulic, JACs, we've all made our points, we all disagree, and we've all gotten way too angry, upset, offended, and personal about all of this. We're all wrong in some ways, and we're all right in some ways. Ulic, I'm sorry you were offended. You can take that as an olive branch from a council member or you can take that as a weak attempt to smooth things over. I hope you take it the first way. But things have gotten so far out of hand that it's now just childish, petty bickering from BOTH SIDES. We JACs haven't been angels in this argument, but so far I see neither side as extremely willing to bow down to the other sides wishes. If you have anything else to say on the matter please direct it to the respective inbox of whoever you'd like to say it to (and I'm talking to everyone here), but beyond that please, we've all made points and all of the points have been taken into consideration. Now lets move on and try to have a small amount of peace. (Note to Ulic, I can see your first objection coming, that I'm trying to sweep this under the rug. I'm not at all, I just don't see the point in everyone continuing to badmouth each other. Trust me, I've read everything you've said and have taken your points into consideration). _______________ -Academy Leader/Dictator/Defeater of DJ Sith and JACen Solo in the JAK+ Tournament -I do think it (the JA) will help convert dozens, maybe hundreds, to the dork nation... --me |
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Silent Whisper - Retired 
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hmmmm well since I'm being singled out I suppose I should say more than one sentence. First of all I HAVE apologized before. You just aren't around when I do so. Second, I'd like to remind everyone here how biased you are against women. I'd like to remind everyone that YOU have ADMITTED to HATING women, regardless why. Your opinions towards me are nothing but bitter because of my gender. Because of this you sir ARE INDEED SEXIST(edited). I don't talk or listen to you is because of that reason. Any opinion of yours toward me is invalid. If you leave, meh, there will be 5 more to replace you. If you stay, you should really look in the mirror and ask why you do what you do. Comment edited: Meant to be SEXISM, not RACISM. My Apologies.Yes, apologies. _______________ "I have learned from Vergere only that there is no such thing as sides of the Force....for the side is merely a reflection of your intentions of the Force. Use it in hate, and it will be hate. Use it offensively in good, and you will find my Truth." -Jacen Solo, "Traitor", New Jedi Order This comment was edited by Silent Whisper on Jun 03 2003 10:24pm. |
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Lord Exar Kun - Student 
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Ulic, you're way out of line here. As far as I remember, I worked hard to become knight, and never sucked my way up. Maybe you did, and if so, I feel sorry for you. Calling the council fascists is not the way to behave we expect from a former Knight. The things you wrote make no sense at all. I dont know what heppened between you and the council, but this is not the way to solve it. I don't think may students are with you in this matter. The council are the people who have set up this place and are working hard to maintain it. Many people are very greatfull for that. Maybe you aren't, but, as Qel-Droma pointed out, maybe you should leave then. I'm sorry to see this kind of posts from you. Once you were a respected person, now you lost it all.... _______________ -Retired april the 19th 2004 |
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Ulic |retired| - Student 
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Fellow Ulic, I do not think you have the right to treat the council the way you do. If this an attempt to sabotage it and the whole academy, it won't work. Most of the students are loyal to the Council, they have made this place work. They have made the rules, and we have to follow them. If you don't like what the council does, go away. The council wishes the best for the academy and its students, they are always reasonable and open to criticism but the way you critized them is not the right one. Why do you blow this up? You must have got more important things to do in New York. _______________ Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam |
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DJ Sith - Jedi Council 
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Do I think Huxley is over the top calling you a racist, Ulic? Yes. Am I going to discipline him in public? No. You wouldn't know it from my actions as a JAC, but I enjoy "off color" humor quite a bit. But since I am where I am in the JA I don't go about having my yucks because I don't want to offend anyone. Sure I think people need to lighten up if they get miffed at a slavery joke, but there are *well* within their right to get angry, and I can see why they would be angry. It's the same thing weith swearing or other nasties in profile pics. Were I a student I wou;dn't give a rats ass if someone swore in their pic or someone told a 9/11 joke. But I am where I am, and I need to respect the wishes of the students around here. If I get one complaint about a thread, picture, or whatever I'm sure that others feel the same way but aren't telling me. That's fine. I can understand if someone didn't want to bring it to my attention. But if I *do* get a complaint I'll take action. It's as simple as that. I won't go about calling names, but I'll do my thing. As for how we work... Admittedly we work slow. We all have real life things to deal with lately. Maybe we're getting stressed. Whatever. I'm sorry you don't like our process. I read your letters again, and I like the idea of the concept that a leader "serves" and not "rules". I daresay that Doobie and I are out of touch with the place. My computer still locks when I play JK2, and I don't know Doob's excuse. We rely heavily on the JAKs and JATs to be our eyes and ears for when we're making decisions. I suppose this can promote the image of a "good ol' boy" kind of system, which I would really like to avoid. Again my apologies for reading your letters so late. They provide a good insight. My train of thought is beginning to derail... Keep posting here, folks. I'd like to know your opinions on these matters. I'm going to get some sleep.  _______________ My car is made of Nerf. |
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JavaGuy - Student 
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Um, well... Look at my wookie! _______________ My signature is only one line. You're welcome. |
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Mistral - Ex-Student 
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I want a massage . |
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ioshee - Student 
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arcuss gives GREAT massages... ...not that I would know or anything  _______________ One of the Belouve boys |
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JP - Academy Pimp 
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Ulic this is a place to have fun, enjoy yourself, if your not, leave its that easy, if you getting this hyped up over a video game community, i would hate to see how you react to a real life problem, moral of the story kids, council may be alittle touchy some times, but i dont blame them, they have draw the line somewhere, five overlooking 200 or something like that, im just hear to have some fun, this is the most serious ive ever been in this place, on Ulics point bout sucking up, hes true that some people do, but some of us are just fun loving people who just like to make friends, so would you call me a suck up?? the only person i had problems with is that damn lamer hacker dude, other than that every single one of you, are friends or potential friends, even u Ulic, i just think you need to calm down,and i think u need a massage you sound kinda tense. _______________ Come on now, every Generation X boy wanted to be Luke Skywalker. Is it because he was a whiney farm boy from some backwater hack planet? No, it's because he was a FREAKING JEDI. He could block lasers with his lightsaber. He could levitate droids & rocks & crap with his mind. Come on, he choked two pig dudes with just a simple gesture. He cut off Darth Vader's hand and kicked him down a flight of stairs. He got his @$$ zapped by lightning from the geezer Emperor, stood up and said "s'at all you got b!tc#??" This comment was edited by JP on Jun 03 2003 05:33am. |
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Ulic, I'm afraid that you have approached this issue in a completely immature and frankly abusive fashion, whilst i appreciate the strength of your feeling your approach has been thoughtless. Personally i feel that, to a certain extent the concepts of equality etc. are taken a step beyond their intention; that is to say that I feel that having a joke at the expense of race (for example) is legitimate, providing it is not done in an abusive fashion. We seem to take ourselves so seriously in this day and age, personally i think that we have to be able to joke about things to get through life, and in this sense (and i know that this is going to offend huge numbers of people - but frankly we are all entitled to our opinions, i make no apologies for the following), i would not have problems with people having a laugh and joke about September 11th, and before you all say "you don't have a clue about that day" i would like to point out that some friends of mine died in the Warrington and Manchester bombings in the UK so i do have a vague idea what i'm talking about! Equally i welcome jokes about this thing: "It's the best thing that's happened to Warrington - it's only a shame more wasn't knocked down" is such an example, when said in the correct tone and in appropriate circumstances i would find this amusing, in other circumstances i would not. Whilst i don't know about the circumstances in question the following applies anyway: Whilst i feel the council can be over the top in shutting down threads and that some people complain too readily about certain issues, we have agreed to abide by their (the council's) rules and as such we should do so. It is one thing to propose rule changes (privately or otherwise), it is a completely separate issue to abuse the way the council chooses to run the academy. Whilst Ulic may have a point in relation to certain areas of his post, i believe it is a greivous insult to suggest that those people who have made Knight or Trainer have not worked for it, equally the council members put in huge amounts of work and it is unjust to suggest that the council has secondary agendas or that they are unjust in the running of the academy. As far as i have noticed, there are no double standards between the way council members are treated and the way students are treated, my view point may be disputed here however, either way, the approach of this thread is (to say the least) wide of the mark. I would have had a lot more respect for your opinions had your arguments been followed through in a reasonable fashion as it is, whilst i agree (to a certain extent) with some of the points you raise; mainly those relating to censorship (which i believe is taken to far), i completely abhore the way these points are raised. I appreciate that everyone needs to sound off once in a while and vent frustration, next time however, please follow your arguments through to conclusion without resorting to petty insult throwing: e.g. "Good luck fixing it. I trust you'll do just the same poor job as everything else." This does noone any good and merely arouses emotional responses (like this one). Personally i feel that the council do a stand up job, and whilst i feel that other people's opinions are valid and should be voiced (i commend DJ on making sure this thread stays open - even if you weren't given much choice politically in the matter  ), the manner in which these views are presented to the community needs to be addressed in a much more mature and much less offensive manner.-Fonz _______________ Support bacteria, they're the only culture some people have. This comment was edited by Fonz on Jun 03 2003 04:55am. |
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Ulic Belouve - Student 
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You know, I forgot about the "Why didn't you just say you're taking applications for the KKK too." Man. I already had enough ammo. They just keep giving me more. _______________ Jedi do not fight for peace. That's only a slogan, and is as misleading as slogans always are. Jedi fight for civilization, because only civilization creates peace. |
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Mistral - Ex-Student 
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Holy shit. With stupid comments like "Why didn't you just say you're taking applications for the KKK too." and being called a racist I'm not surprised your pissed off Ulic. Not good. Personally I think the fool who complained should be slapped around until he develops a sense of humour, morons like that are sad, pathetic creatures. I mean I could see the point if you were intentionally trying to offend or degrade, but, (just a wild guess) you weren't. Could he/she not recognise a joke? Do we start censoring everything that could offend? "sexism" "yo momma's so fat" "baby eating" "drug use" "oral sex" All these and more have been mentioned in these forums. I don't find any of them offensive but you can bet some poof does. Is there a point to this post? Probably not. Just stating the obvious  .Can't wait til we all start suing each other  . |
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Sared - Retired 
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*burp* Sorry, had to say something to lighten the mood. _______________ I'm crazy, not stupid. |
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Ulic Belouve - Student 
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To quote the (debatably) great Huxley: "Jeez, talk about being racist and out of line." Excuse me? Since when do the esteemed Council members (who get positions through contributions/"dedication"/bribery to the JA) stoop to such levels as to call someone racist? Again, at what point does calling someone racist coincide with the issues of respect? Oh. You were not serious. You were not directly calling me racist. Well, I think you are. And... Oh. I was not serious with the slave-trading thread. I wasn't directly making racist claims in joke. But someone thought I was. So if someone THINKS so, then it is, huh? Well, I THINK the Council called me racist. As so, therefore, they did. Or is Huxley not a viable representative of the Council? If so, get rid of him. I've e-mailed my complaints. I can post those e-mails. I have logs. I can post those logs. I have screenshots and demos, I could post them. But I did not. I trusted the handling of discipline to the Council. But the Council does not properly discipline their own. They slap them on the hand, and then allow them to "represent" the Council by calling students racist. Yeah, that works out. I've given up on most of the Council. Whispy simply tells me that I cannot understand the process, being one who is outside it. I understand this point better than her: the Council isn't working. It makes people who call others racist, are somehow creates a "Council immunity" where they don't face as harsh punishment. You know what? Huxley called me racist. He'll stay on the council. Because he admins stuff. Such bribery might be below many, but not him. And the argument that the slave auction thing should have been in the crazy forum, well, auctioning should be in the crazy forum. And what about the polls against Trekked? Hmmm? There are people casting votes for bad things to happen to a student. Maybe someone finds that offensive. But Trekked isn't council, so no one cares about him. But would the placement of a post really be relevant in its offensiveness? Hmmm? What if I were touchy on blonde jokes? Or what about all those comments that say "{name} shoots himself". What if I take offense to such things that make refernece to suicide? Oh. You're just kidding. So was I, but no one cares. The Council just sits around, lets Council members call others racist, and pulls these Council members to a different diciplinary line. I distinctly made my apology in the offending thread, stating it was a joke, merely wishing to keep it up in a friendly manner. Actually, I've made many apologies for a variety of items. When has the Council apologized? Oh, sure, maybe DJ or Doobie has apologized, for someone else's mistake, or the minor ones that they themselves made, but Silent (or any other Council member) has pissed me off in the past, I apologize, nothing from her. So what? This whole thing is still imbalanced. I doubt the Council will yet reform, though DJ may find the suggestions I made 2 MONTHS AGO, that he is just getting to now (apology accepted, DJ, but still...). You'll find them to be a decent idea, proposal, whatever. But then again, the Council will reject them because I'm not that smart, I'm just complaining, and now, I'm racist too. Thanks guys. I'll just chat-kill people in the servers too, since no one seems to care about respect. Not in the Council, anyways. But I'm leaving my grievances as is. If you tell me I should have e-mailed them, I did. That's what created the e-mail that DJ has not gotten to for two months. So my LAST complaint took two months to be read, so why complain now? Besides, the Council just goes to a different disciplinary line than the rest of us. Nemesis, e-mail me. I want to see what you can contribute to this fight. Anyone else who wants to aid, drop me a line. _______________ Jedi do not fight for peace. That's only a slogan, and is as misleading as slogans always are. Jedi fight for civilization, because only civilization creates peace. |
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Mistral - Ex-Student
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 DRAMA Gotta love it .What happened to all the "respect your fellow jedi" stuff? Still, tantrums amuse me, keep em comin' . This comment was edited by Mistral on Jun 03 2003 01:28am. |
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JavaGuy - Student
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Look at my wookie! _______________ My signature is only one line. You're welcome. |
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Man JJ was mean _______________ slorp |
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DJ Sith - Jedi Council 
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Whew so much anger... I'll guess I'll pipe in with my personal views on the subject. I don't know if the rest of the JACs agree with me or not, but here goes... While the JA is *not* a democracy I'd like to think the JACs have more of a benevolent dictator type role around here. We're *all* human around here. We all make mistakes. The certain students who have had disciplinary action against them were given quite a bit of leeway before we did what we did. We do the same with the JACs. We don't do this in public for obvious reasons i hope. Rumour tends to fly and things get blown out of proportion. I'd like to think that the new staff they take on, be they site staff, JAK, or whatever get in through a process of hard work. At least that's how it appears to me. If you see it as sucking up that's your perrogative. The JAK trial process has changed a LOT since you were made a Knight, Ulic. Believe me. We've failed people who have done plenty of "sucking up" to the JAC's. Our new(ish) JACs were made JAC for the ENORMOUS amount of work they put in for the JA. We offered the position to them and gave them to option to turn it down. You make coding the JA mod sound like a trivial act. C1 has spent countless all nighters making this thing the most popular mod in the community right now. Don't you dare call that "sucking up". Huxley has been our primary server administrator for many months now. The JA wouldn't exist without his servers. He's worked his butt off making sure these run smoothly. What's more he's my go-to guy if I need help admining the servers. I see it as dedication, not sucking up.Nova and the rest who have sent me their ideas for the JA: I've read most of them. The truth is I get easily distracted, and I forget about quite a few of what gets brought to my desk. That's one of the reasons why I like things emailed to me. I get it in my inbox so there's more chance for me to remember it. I'd say about 98% of the ideas I'm given are complete kick ass ideas. The reason nothing has happened to them is all my fault. I forgot about them. My apologies for that. If you want to hear my lame excuses for my sporadic amnesia email me. Ulic: I still haven't read that 2nd doc. This thread gives me impetus to download it. I think what's showing lately is the JACs are getting kind of worked up on all this stuff. Personally it's led me to make some of what I think are rash and hasty decisions. We've all been busy out in the real world (tm) lately, but I'm trying to keep it up here as well. I'm trying to get the JACs to take a break. Hopefully this can help some out. As for the recent action that started this all: I know you guys were joking around and that there have been recent "auctions" going around this forum. I know its in good fun, but if one guy takes offense to it then we can't continue it. I can certainately understand some folks being touchy about slavery. The last thing I'll leave is a note to the JACs: don't close this thread or poll. It's good to discuss these kind of things in the open. _______________ My car is made of Nerf. This comment was edited by DJ Sith on Jun 03 2003 01:08am. |
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All the council asks of us with their decisions is to trust them. To trust that they went over their decisions and decided on what is best for the academy. You have to remember that these five people are doing the best job that they can all in their free time. They all have real lives just like the rest of us (well most of us) and are here because they want to do what is best for the academy. i do not think that the idea of a voting system would work. it would become nothing more then a popularity contest of spamming and annoyance. in real life most places have an age limit as to who can vote. i believe that you have to be of a certain maturity to able to vote for decisions such as this. also i would just like to add that this is a website. it is not a real life organization filled with professionals. and for that reason i give complete respect to the council members for being able to run this place as professionally and as smoothly as they can. _______________ "We keep odd hours...." ----------------------- They Live, We Sleep |
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Buzz - Student 
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Well Nova I suggest you get facts straight first before you claim things. Huxley got his lower promotions when all you needed was 2 JAT's for a trial take an exam and get another trial. Do you also know that he got made a JAT not by the council but by the other JAT's. It was 5 and a half months before he made JAC not 2 months like you think. Do you realize that he gave servers when he had just joined? We probably wouldn't have had servers for at least 3 months if he hadn't done that. Yeah he made three posts about the prom, but were you in IRC that day? people were asking 50 questions about it a minute. You send a bunch of ideas and suggestions to the council, and they don't get back to you. But its probably because they likely wouldn't work and don't want to e-mail you with why its such a stupid idea. I think the only reason SilkMonkey's prom took off is because it was brought up in the forums and there was enough interest in it. JJ was banned from the JA for his actions and his 0 tolerance status from a previous banning. He doesn't really feel the need to come back to the academy either. And guess what, he's not banned from IRC. He can join it whenever he wants because he's not a screw up like Loaf. Now as for you Ulic. You said you made knight by sucking up. Then you stepped down and now you aren't sucking up so you're not getting promoted. Maybe its because you stepped down and people aren't willing to nominate you because they didn't think you thought you were ready again. Maybe if you told someone that you thought you are ready to be a knight again you would have received a nomination? I really doubt that the JAC's actually give out many nominations for Knight. I bet 99% of them come from the JAT's. I'm friends with Whispy. That's right FRIENDS. Wouldn't that be considered the ultimate in sucking up? But am I a knight? NO. I don't even have a nomination. I don't even care that I don't have a nomination. It must be because I'm not sucking up enough right? Maybe the council is against you because you are so adamant in saying that they are against you. "Well he thinks we hate him for something so maybe there's a reason to." You want to bring up that posting of a porn link in IRC again huh? Something that occured quite awhile ago and was cleared up and taken care of in private. I didn't realize that the council needs to get all their dirty laundry out in public and show how its resolved. And guess where almost all of the blond jokes and priest jokes are ulic? In the Crazy Stuff forum. I didn't see your slave auction post in the crazy stuff forum. And you actually make references of cotton fields and land in the post. Why didn't you just say you're taking applications for the KKK too. It would just have been a joke right? This thread you made isn't a threat to them. That's almost laughable. You've got 5 people overseeing probably over 200 active people. Of course they aren't always going to do what you always think is right. That's like the laws in the government. If you get caught running enough red lights you're going to lose your license. Even if 1000 people show up to say "He's a good guy he just made a few mistakes and got caught, give him another chance. There are people getting away with a lot more red light runnings." Of course you're learning about government in the Useless Nations, so you'll be tied up in debate and resolutions to actually be able to enforce anything that needs to be done. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. This comment was edited by Buzz on Jun 02 2003 11:59pm. |
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Silent Whisper - Retired 
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How can a gopher know what occurs on the surface if he lives in the ground? _______________ "I have learned from Vergere only that there is no such thing as sides of the Force....for the side is merely a reflection of your intentions of the Force. Use it in hate, and it will be hate. Use it offensively in good, and you will find my Truth." -Jacen Solo, "Traitor", New Jedi Order |
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Silencio - Student 
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Hm, I dunno what I feel about this. Perhaps you do get promoted by sucking up... I wouldn't know, never tried I think that posts like this are necessary in that they create an open dialog, but I also think posts like NN's really don't belong here. Just my $0.02... _______________ Second-in-command of the mighty FiZZsters |
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Aeth S'kray - Retired 
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Oh, is it time again? Another radical post of Ulic is reaching us, eh? Well, it cant hurt to hear a second opinion and he didnt use "crap" as much as in his posts before. Personally I better keep out of this as I have not much to do with the council (me european) and don't know the background of the previous arguments. As far as I could see things, the council did not everything right, but in general it worked fine. But what are you referring to, Ulic? Loaf's ban? What happened? And, uh, why dont you take the "normal" way of complaining and emailing the council? Wouldnt it be interesting to get their opinion first (no response *is* an response) before going out to public again? P.S. I didnt suck my way up! Au contraire Edit: Nemesis, look at their point of view. I think you maybe cant imagine how much work it is to manage the whole academy. And they dont get money, they do it for fun... *your* fun. Maybe you should be a bit more thankfull? Without them, this place would be nothing. But I agree that this place would be nothing without the students aswell. Soooo, we gotta find a compromise. But we have to find it in reasonable, calm talks, like the UN parliament Ulic, and not in agressive posts. Get me? JJ was an excellent comerade, right, he brought fun to many, but he also insulted others. We should not have fun on the back of others. And with his ban before long time ago, he was one of those 0% tolerance guys. The council has to proove a point every know and then. The masses only understand rules and laws. And if they see them broken without a consequence they will break them theirselves. And, pronto, we will have chaos. Loaf is another case. He went beyond his borders and steped in bigger shoes he had been given. Basta. 3 posts for the prom are not too much as long as they contain neccessary information. They could posts 10 of them and I wouldnt care, as long as they are needed. Whats wrong about that? _______________ Aeth S'kray *June 2002 +September 2003 This comment was edited by Aeth S'kray on Jun 02 2003 11:03pm. |
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Fizz of Belouve - Student 
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this thread is very radical, but I do not think it is rude or exaggerated. I have way too less to do with the council to be able to claim truthfull and correctness of my person on that issue - but I know you - and whoever knows you will not go as far as calling you what they did. I am not saying this because you were a Knight or because of family affairs, but because I trust you and ur judgement, and yes, I am curious to see what's going on. - FiZZ _______________ One of the Belouve boys, founder of the mighty FiZZsters Midbie council #20 - Fizz - #1933 - Jan '03 - Aug '04 "Renfield, you idiot!" |
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Sniya - Student 
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uprisng thats sounlds but ott seriously the council havent been top notch with some decisions recently but still-Is this your head talking or your anger? _______________ The real question is not whether machines think but whether men do. Bertrand Russell http://www.thejediacademy.net/forums_detail_page.php?f_id=970 |
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Ulic Belouve - Student
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The clock starts now see how quickly the Council will repress THIS "uprising". My watch says 2:50 p.m. _______________ Jedi do not fight for peace. That's only a slogan, and is as misleading as slogans always are. Jedi fight for civilization, because only civilization creates peace. This comment was edited by Ulic Belouve on Jun 02 2003 08:50pm. |
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