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You know, I;m wondering if the Council people ever think things through real well. You close threads that are jokingly, and even SAY so, that they are "tongue-in-cheek". You harp on anyone who might offend YOU, but never mind how you might offend the little guy. You're the Council. You're the head instructor. You made the JA Mod. Big deal. You should be subject to the same thing. Regular guys post an offensive pic...whoo boy, dive for cover. But a Council guy posts a porn link in IRC, well, he's still around. You get all the unbalanced crap out there, and what's wors, it's not unbalanced because you are right, but unbalanced because you guys don't think. And then you send me a "this is not the place for it, Ulic, file your complaints with the Council." For the 20th time, I have. You guys slip away with the whole "we're not perfect". Well neither are we. But we get the two warning limit. You guys must be on your tenth. I also know for a fact that I've pissed off the Council. I'm almost certain now that Huxley is against me, he has been for a while. And the undeniable fact: you make rank by sucking up to the Council. That's how I made Knight in 2 months, but since I stepped down and refuse to suck up to such incompetence, I'll never get back to Knight. So you point at me for racism stuff. It was joking around. What about all the blonde jokes, or priest jokes? Where's the offensiveness in that? Maybe I'm just being a bitch. But I'm tired of the rogue, random acts of the Council. So close this one too. It threatens you, the council. You can't stand to have someone point out the fact that the Council may not be effective as a whole. It's a game, but you can't make accusations against me that are unbased. I don't like some hot-shot Council member, staff, Master, whatever, swooping in here and calling me something I'm not, and just wielding their power like a club. I can list the offenses of Council members, JATs, and Masters. I wouldn't have to try so hard. But go against the council like I have? Wow. That is far more worse than the sum of all the transgressions the Council has done. So you call me what you like. Call me what you think. I'll can call you fascist. I'll can call you a "repressive regime." So what if YOU aren't? You don't care if what I'm referred to is a lie, so why should I care if this new title of the Fascist Council is a lie? Good luck fixing it. I trust you'll do just the same poor job as everything else. But I've better things to do. Like prep my research for the UN. Oh, that's right I forgot. According to you guys I'm an idiot who doesn't know anything. I'd represent you guys at the UN, but such idiocy is frowned upon. Actually, I'll represent the good students. Not the Council, not the heads of the Academy. _______________ Jedi do not fight for peace. That's only a slogan, and is as misleading as slogans always are. Jedi fight for civilization, because only civilization creates peace. This post was edited by Ulic Belouve on Jun 03 2003 08:50pm. |
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doobie - Jedi Council 
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I'm closing this thread. It's just becoming a pissing match between a small number of people, and it keeps getting worse. If you all feel you have something constructive to add to the public discourse then feel free to make a new thread, but otherwise... Ulic, JACs, we've all made our points, we all disagree, and we've all gotten way too angry, upset, offended, and personal about all of this. We're all wrong in some ways, and we're all right in some ways. Ulic, I'm sorry you were offended. You can take that as an olive branch from a council member or you can take that as a weak attempt to smooth things over. I hope you take it the first way. But things have gotten so far out of hand that it's now just childish, petty bickering from BOTH SIDES. We JACs haven't been angels in this argument, but so far I see neither side as extremely willing to bow down to the other sides wishes. If you have anything else to say on the matter please direct it to the respective inbox of whoever you'd like to say it to (and I'm talking to everyone here), but beyond that please, we've all made points and all of the points have been taken into consideration. Now lets move on and try to have a small amount of peace. (Note to Ulic, I can see your first objection coming, that I'm trying to sweep this under the rug. I'm not at all, I just don't see the point in everyone continuing to badmouth each other. Trust me, I've read everything you've said and have taken your points into consideration). _______________ -Academy Leader/Dictator/Defeater of DJ Sith and JACen Solo in the JAK+ Tournament -I do think it (the JA) will help convert dozens, maybe hundreds, to the dork nation... --me |
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no bananas or ice lollies for me, i just ate. i have know ulic a while, i dont think we've always been on the best terms and here i think that once again i am forced to disagree with him. however, at the same time i have to accept some of the responsibility for the actions that have ensued. why? when ulic posted the "offensive" thread he was using my computor, moreover, against my better judgment i did not advise him to post it in the "crazy stuff" forum where i believe such posts belong. i also understand the rational that went behind puting it in the general disscussion forum: ulic was expanding on a refrence made by trekked in the auction thread where he said "(starts to pray) lord let Broda not SELL me... i jast had a vision of being Helens slave!" (http://www.thejediacademy.net/forums_detail_page.php?f_id=2433&f_position=25) moreover, he was attempting to parody the "auction" thread at the same time. therefore it seemed like a good idea to place the "slave block" thread in the same fourm. as i said before this was probably not a good idea and was not ulic's fault alone. (as a quick tangent: may i suggest moving the "auction" thread to the crazy stuff forum?) next up is people that were offended. firstly, yes slavery was, and is (b/c its still out there) a horrible thing. however, i would also like to point out that there are other topics brought up in the forums that could be (and probably are) just as offensive, take pot smoking for example. in the US the possesion and use of pot is a crime (except in certain states under certain conditions, but these are few) nevertheless, we see numerous pot jokes, even in this thread. one could argue that this is offensive to the government of the USA and other nations which have similar laws; moreover, it may also be offensive to those who know someone whos life has been ruined or ended by the substance. however, i have yet to see any efforts at all in containing this subject. anyway, to cut things short before i lose my point on some irrelevent tangent ill make my point: something you say will inevitably offened someone, whether it is jokes about racism, sex, drugs, international politics, JA politics, or even your prediction for the bears vs packers game, or the the cubs shot at the world series. if we tried to weed out everything offensive the JA forums wouldn't be half as much fun (and thats all i really do around here so....). bearing this in mind i have to tell everyone out there: learn to take a joke. Ulic is not racist, he probably doesnt know nationality or ethnicity of half of you, and he was only intending on creating a humorous situation. although both he and i are at fault for putting the thread in the general disscussion forum, it should have been obvious that it was there as a joke, not an insult to any of the members of the JA whos ancestors were slaves. furthermore, i would like to point out that not putting up with jokes of this kind is intollorence as well. if you dont think its funny try this: ignore it. if it is really as bad as people think it is, everyone else will do likewise and ulic will probably feel like an idiot for posting something nobody thought was funny or he'll feel like a jerk for posting something that he later realizes was offensive (heck, thats what happened to me when i posted: http://www.thejediacademy.net/forums_detail_page.php?f_id=2632 and no one has posted there since). in short: get a sense of humor, life is alot better without it. now onto more pressing matters: this entire thread is horrible. it was created in a fit of rage, answered in a fit of rage (not by everyone, thankfully) and i see little good that can come from it unless everyone can manage to sit down, shut up, and think things over. first, ulic and i were out of line b/c the original thread was placed in a forum which could lead to its misinterpreting, both he and i am sorry for this and i would like to apologize on both of our behalfs for this incidint (hes told me that he apologized already, but even so it needs to be said again). secondly ulic posted this thread, a direct attack and criticizem of the JA council. although i will agree that such criticizem can be helpful in improving the JA council i dislike the bitter and malicious spirit in which such criticizem was written firstly b/c it goes againts what the jedi teach; secondly, it goes against what the belouves stand for; and thirdly b/c it has led to even more bitter attacks on both sides of the argument. therefore, with all this in mind i would like to ask anyone planning on posting in this thread to: 1: read everything so you understand the situation 2:think, then type your response 3:soak your head in a large vat of ice, and cool down, even if you arent riled up. 4:re-read your entire post to make sure that what your saying is well thought out and constructive 5:double check to make sure you are using the right words so that you dont accidentally say something you didnt mean 6:now you can hit the add your comment button remmember "This all boils down to respect. You must respect each other on the servers. I cannot stress this enough! If you don't have respect for your fellow players, you have no place in the academy." (quoted from massadoobie) |
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Additional note: as of this moment, I am NOT making a suit, but I can if I so desire, and I feel I have subtantial basis for such. _______________ Jedi do not fight for peace. That's only a slogan, and is as misleading as slogans always are. Jedi fight for civilization, because only civilization creates peace. |
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Ulic Belouve - Student 
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Just to condense the previous post to get to my points quicker: (but read the full version below) ---------- In my past comments, way back at the start of the new year, I said I do not trust women, nor do I really seek to date them. This does not translate to hating them, and even if I did, it would be a stretch to call it Sexism, which is what it would be. I do not place women beneath me, and can prove such. So you can't really make the case that I am sexist, and really can't make the claim as being RACIST. So when Silent Whisper states: "Your opinions towards me are nothing but bitter because of my gender. Because of this you sir ARE INDEED RACIST." Well. She is siply telling a lie. So I defer to Merrian-Webster's dictionary: LIBEL: 2 a : a written or oral defamatory statement or representation that conveys an unjustly unfavorable impression b (1) : a statement or representation published without just cause and tending to expose another to public contempt (2) : defamation of a person by written or representational means Hmm. Would calling me racist convey an "unjustly favorable impression"? Yes. Would calling me racist be "without just cause" and expose me to "public contempt"? I'd say so. Would calling me racist be a "defamation of a person"? Again, yes. Also, as I belive, Whisper and I live in the US. In the US, libel is illegal. I have processed a libel suit before. The thing is, the burden of proof falls upon ME to prove that the charge of racism is indeed false. Silent Wisper, and the Council, merely has to hope that I cannot do that. But many of you know me to be skilled, and in my eyes, I feel I can prove the falsehood of such accusations. So there we have it. Whispy committing the criminal act of libel. Regardless of if I press it or not, she has done so. Now, one might argue that by my referring to the council as possibly being a "fascist regime" is libel, but the Council would need to prove that that reference is indded false. So what I ask, instead of prosecuting a Council member, is to simply have Whispy do 2 things: 1. Apologize. 2. Step down. The reorganizing of the Council will flow from such actions. Huxley is not without fault for his statement as well, but I will simply leave you to the assumption of if he was libelous or not. This can get very messy, very quicky. I'll expect no less than four things: 1. Whispy's apology 2. Whispy's voluntary or involuntary removal from Council. 3. Hux's apology (which I think he's done, but he could be clearer) 4. Harsh examination and reorganization of the Council. _______________ Jedi do not fight for peace. That's only a slogan, and is as misleading as slogans always are. Jedi fight for civilization, because only civilization creates peace. |
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Ulic Belouve - Student
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Well, to state the current position here, based on some of the private correspondence I have been getting, and reviewing some of the replies here. First, I'm not leaving, not in the sense many of you have. I'll be internet-deprived in less than a week, but won't be "quitting" the Academy. So the "So long and thanks for all the facism" title was merely making reference to D. Adams, best title I could come up with at the time. But anyways. I'm not really against the Academy, but I'm definately looking for some restructuring. And I haven't changed. I came here, wished to serve the Academy, made Knight. But guess what? The majority of the Academy is Students. I really just wanted to represent some of the more obscure views out there, of the students. To pressure the Council as well. The Council needs somone to resist them at times. The Council needs some student to scream at them when they step out of line, and step on the little guy. If I stepped back and said "So the Council calls me racist, so they do other stuff, this is much better than other places." I think that, sure, but if I don't scream at the Council, who will? As for the direct matter of the slaves-for-sale thingie, I'll explain (and I did explain in the thread). First off, it was like the Auctioning thread, likewise in the "General Discussion." Trekked had this nightmare that he would be sold as a slave sometime. Jokingly, I took on the "slave for a day" thing. Hey, I figured the Matrix floor could be scrubbed, etc. I've been in real life "Slave for a Day" fundraisers, so I'd not think it would get too much opposition. The auctioning did not. Regardless, the issue is NOT, repeat NOT the closing of the thread. I could have seen that among the complaints. The issue is two-part: Being called Racist. Composition of the Council that called me such. Now, I'll start with the Council. As I see it, I've now seen two instances where Whispy has crossed the line. I will not bring up the past, really, but in the past instance, and in this instance of CALLING me a racist, they are both far more out of line than normal breach of rules. Since I will assume I do not see all, actually, I KNOW I don't see all, I will assume that Whispy has more transgressions than the two I have been party to, or present for. As such, I would feel that more severe action should be taken. I really think that the Council should have some reorganization, or at least a new mssion purpose, reaffirm some intent, etc. Mostly adressed in the letters I sent off 2 months ago. But I'll refrain from telling anyone how to run the Council. Just hink of it as a request for a "Performance Review" of the council. I will think such a strong look, perhaps even dismissals, are within reason, particularly considering the posts by Hux and Silent Whisper. Particularly Silent. What is noted is this: In my past comments, way back at the start of the new year, I said I do not trust women, nor do I really seek to date them. This does not translate to hating them, and even if I did, it would be a stretch to call it Sexism, which is what it would be. I do not place women beneath me, and believe it or not, I took a female OUT TO LUNCH. Paid for it myself. Hector can attest to that, we came back with coffee. So you can't really make the case that I am sexist, and really can't make the claim as being RACIST. So when Silent Whisper states: "Your opinions towards me are nothing but bitter because of my gender. Because of this you sir ARE INDEED RACIST." Well. She is siply telling a lie. So I defer to Merrian-Webster's dictionary: LIBEL: 2 a : a written or oral defamatory statement or representation that conveys an unjustly unfavorable impression b (1) : a statement or representation published without just cause and tending to expose another to public contempt (2) : defamation of a person by written or representational means Hmm. Would calling me racist convey an "unjustly favorable impression"? Yes. Would calling me racist be "without just cause" and expose me to "public contempt"? I'd say so. Would calling me racist be a "defamation of a person"? Again, yes. Also, as I belive, Whisper and I live in the US. In the US, libel is illegal. I have processed a libel suit before. The thing is, the burden of proof falls upon ME to prove that the charge of racism is indeed false. Silent Wisper, and the Council, merely has to hope that I cannot do that. But many of you know me to be skilled, and in my eyes, I feel I can prove the falsehood of such accusations. So there we have it. Whispy committing the criminal act of libel. Regardless of if I press it or not, she has done so. Now, one might argue that by my referring to the council as possibly being a "fascist regime" is libel, but the Council would need to prove that that reference is indded false. So what I ask, instead of prosecuting a Council member, is to simply have Whispy do 2 things: 1. Apologize. 2. Step down. The reorganizing of the Council will flow from such actions. Huxley is not without fault for his statement as well, but I will simply leave you to the assumption of if he was libelous or not. This can get very messy, very quicky. I'll expect no less than four things: 1. Whispy's apology 2. Whispy's voluntary or involuntary removal from Council. 3. Hux's apology (which I think he's done, but he could be clearer) 4. Harsh examination and reorganization of the Council. Again, keep in mind how messy this can get. I would find that many will see my proposal as legitimate. _______________ Jedi do not fight for peace. That's only a slogan, and is as misleading as slogans always are. Jedi fight for civilization, because only civilization creates peace. |
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Doppelgänger - Student 
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Wow Ulic! So much anger and hostility. Well get used to the way things have been run around here because now that you're going into the real world you'll face far worse scenarios out there. You will find the lowest of scum running the world and you. Not only will they silence that youthful spirit in you they will kill it! So you ran into a few humans here that didn't always do what was right in your eyes. So they made a few mistakes in judgement. Wait till you start this new job of yours. You'll find humanity can be far worse than these humans here. No they're not perfect and yes they allow the other "top dogs" to get by with things that aren't right. I would like to plea to the counsel right now to find out who that person was that posted a porn link on irc and punish them. That is not acceptable! We do have minors among us and I’m sure their parents wouldn't like you posting a link like that for them to gawk over. Shame on you whoever did that. You know better! And now for the shocker!  I chose yes for the pole! Why? Well I feel that the counsel should suppress all the members of the academy. There are things that none of us should do. There are positions that we should earn and there are many people here that are not patient and diligent enough to hold higher titles. I also feel that there are thing that shouldn’t be done like post links to porn on irc.Now I'm not saying that Ulic didn't have reasonable complaints because we all know he did but lets face it...This is the most stable environment I've seen in a long time. Sure it's not perfect and it's filled with flawed humans but I've yet to see perfect humans. I think with time everyone gets better and so will we all. I think we've got a head start on things here though. I just ask that everyone keeps learning and keeps growing. Love, Dopp  _______________ "Look not back in anger, nor forward in fear But around you in awareness." Ross Hersey |
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i'm allergic to bananas  ice lolly anyone?  _______________ Treat others the way you expect to be treated
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doobie - Jedi Council
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Hux, tongue is spelled tongUe, not tounge Just had to raz ya a bit  _______________ -Academy Leader/Dictator/Defeater of DJ Sith and JACen Solo in the JAK+ Tournament -I do think it (the JA) will help convert dozens, maybe hundreds, to the dork nation... --me |
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Grrr! More bananas! Eat up! /me hands everyone another banana _______________ I'm crazy, not stupid. |
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Huxley - Retired 
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And have fun preping your research for the UN. But be careful! I heard once that with sex or politics, you get f***ed. Thought I'd give you the heads up warning, in case you hadn't heard that before |
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Ulic, if you really didn't care about the post you made and if it was so tounge and cheek as you put, then how come I had completely forgotten about it and you have tried to start some war over the whole post? Part of the council's duty, that I agreed to when I took my position, is to protect the community upmost above personal issues. I have felt that I have done my best to enstill this in everything that I do here, and I am not only hurt, but extremely disapointed that you would think I am being facist and coming down on you or the students. I did what I did because I belive it was the right thing to do. I had 2 seperate complaints from students about it, driectly to me, who WERE offended by it. I hardly post to the forums, and I was apalled that you had a post with such outlandish references to intolerance and flat-out racism. If you meant it as a joke, I think that is a very sick joke. Prehaps you have not ever delt with direct amounts of racism or been around it your whole life like I have. Prehaps I put too much of my personal judgement into this matter, and if that is the case, then I sincerely apologise. However, I still stand to my ground that I did the right thing, and this was definatly no such thread that should have existed on our General Discussion board on a Jedi Academy Website. I strive for decency and respect among my peers and students, and this entire community, and I don't feel that your post was respectful or in any way decent. So I still stand behind my decision. If I offended you personally, I'm sorry about that. I didn't think you would think twice about the thread post, but I appear to have been mistaken. I hope in the future, you realize how little 'tounge-in-cheek' comments you make, can not only devestate the people you make them to, but also drive the strength of your ego through the roof. Good luck my friend, may the force be with you. |
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doobie - Jedi Council
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After I eat my banana I figure I should drop my comments in. ::gulp:: There. First of all, Ulic, you should know from the past that I've always had a tremendous amount of respect for you and your generally thought-provoking comments. I've told you as much face to face. And in your post, you do make some good points, although not as many as you normally make. I don't consider you to be a racist, I can definitely see why your post can be considered that way. Selling people, even joking about it, isn't cool, especially when you reference cotton fields and such. And Huxley's racist comment wasn't a blanket statement about you, it was in reference to the one post. Slavery is probably the most disgusting atrocity in American history, and although I can see where your post could be considered funny (and in reality, the only problem I have with it is that it isn't in the Crazy Stuff forum), you must be able to see the views of others who disagree. We all know you're an intelligent guy (you never miss a chance to tell us ), but part of being intelligent is being able to recognize alternative points of view, otherwise you're just book-smart and not truly intelligent.As for your attacks on the Council, I'll try and go point by point. You stated, "Regular guys post an offensive pic...whoo boy, dive for cover. But a Council guy posts a porn link in IRC, well, he's still around," obviously a reference to the Loaf situation. Well you also don't realize that that picture was tantamount to being Loaf's second warning, which, if you review the rules, calls for a banning. Not only that, but Nazis and Nazism are the only thing I can think of worse in recent history than slavery, and the Council, and most students I've talked to, have agreed that the picture fit the "Racist/sexist/homophobic talk is extremely forbidden," which, and I don't think you can deny this, slavery fits into, even if it's made in a joking manner. The part about the porn link in IRC was an isolated incident. The parties involved were talked to and the matter was handle privately. Why should we ban someone for one offense when we have a set system of warnings in place? You also mention us "being on our tenth warning." What evidence do you have to back this up? Do you know the procedure for giving warnings? Probably not, nor should you since, as far as I know you haven't received one. So here it is. We give warnings for offenses that directly violate our rules, whether it's abusing the server rules or treating people rudely in IRC or on forums. However we dislike giving formal warnings out, so we usually try to talk the situation down without resorting to formally warning a person. Why do you think JJ stuck around for so long? Why do you think we've let Spawn and his buddies back in twice now? What about Daywalker/JediJim/Blade/Wolverine/whatever his name is? In fact, he's walking proof of our attempts to not make this a fascist Academy. If we were so fascist, all of those I've mentioned, all of which are disliked personally by some of the Council members (we are human after all) would not be given second chances. Some of them lived up to the bargain, some did not. As for the sucking up, there's a VAST difference between sucking up and working so hard that it's impossible for your work to go unnoticed. Huxley works harder for the Academy than anyone I've met, and yet it still took almost 6 months to be a JAC. All of our JACs, JATs, and JAKs have either earned their spots or, in the case of ShadowSith, won them but proven they deserve to be there. You deserved to be there as well. It was your choice to step down, and yet you complain that "you'll never get back to Knight." We all thought you were gone for the summer for heaven's sake, THAT'S why you couldn't be a Knight again for a while, not because you're not a suck up. This has become too long, so I'll close it up. Ulic, you have a right to your opinions, but you must always remember that everyone else has their rights as well. So the Council closed a post that some find offensive. It's not the end of the world. And if you're not concerned about the actual closing but the PRINCIPLE behind it (and the fact that you were called racist), examine your post a bit. Put yourself in someone elses shoes, the shoes of a black person or even just the shoes of someone who is completely disgusted by the legacy of slavery in the United States and finds no humor in it. That's why you were called racist, and that's why the post was closed. It's not because Hux thinks, "Ulic Belouve, in everything he does in his life, is a complete racist." No, instead I guarantee what Hux thinks is, "Wow, I'm disappointed that Ulic would make a post like that that can be taken in a racist manner. I should close it so it doesn't encourage others to make posts like that." It's not about you Ulic, it's about your post. But you have lowered your argument by "threatening" us with your status at the UN, that you won't represent us. That's your choice, but again if you look at it from another set of shoes, it's an incredibly childish way to end an argument, trying to "one-up" us. So you're at the UN, we've congratulated you on it and I congratulate you again. But just because you work for the UN, doesn't make you better than anyone, it just makes you a smart guy at a famous institution. Please remember that we're your equals here. One last thing, DJ made a comment about him and I being detached from the Academy. That's very true, and here's my excuse: school. I know it's a lame one, but school has taken up a large quantity of my life this past semester, so I apologize for shirking my duties as your BENEVOLENT dictator. This summer I will be making a large effort to "reattach"... however don't expect to see me around the servers much still. The game's lost a lot of it's fun, but I stick around because I love the community (why the hell else would I write so damn much???) _______________ -Academy Leader/Dictator/Defeater of DJ Sith and JACen Solo in the JAK+ Tournament -I do think it (the JA) will help convert dozens, maybe hundreds, to the dork nation... --me This comment was edited by doobie on Jun 03 2003 06:38pm. |
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*packs 6 ft bong* *lights it and hands it to Ulic & Hux* Don't worry about a drug test, it's a cyber-bong, they don't check for cyber-THC. 1st I wanna say that this shouldn't be a name-calling or finger pointing thread. So please stop that!!! This is the Jedi Academy, not the WWF!!! OK, it seems to me that both sides (Ulic and Huxley) have over-reacted. Ulic: 1st off, I understand that you got upset at what may have seemed like an accusation. I agree with you that it was a little over the line. I do think that maybe you blew up more than you should have. To be honest though, the way you reacted was very "Un-Belouve" like. I don't know if RL™ is getting to you, but maybe you should plan a day off. Just sit on your ass all day and watch the tube or something. Maybe even grab a case of beer and get totally smashed. Tell you what, if I remember correctly, you're currently in NYC. I can hop on the LIRR and be at Penn Station in and hour. I'll come into the city and make sure you have a stress free day. Maybe hit the bars or something. If you're interested, e-mail me and we can set it up. I still have tremendous respect for you, Ulic. I don't know if that means anything to you, but I do. Please don't do anything to get yourself booted, I'm sure I'm not the only one that woule miss you around here. Hux (and JAC): I think you guys do an amazing job here all voluntarily and in your spare time. Are you perfect? No. No one is. I remember a similar incident happened to me (where one of my posts got deleted) and I don't think it was handled very proffesionally. I think that if a thread needs to be closed or deleted, maybe saying something like "This thread has been closed due to objectionable material" or something along those lines, instead of saying something like Hux did. It's a small thing, but it can go a long way towards avoiding something like this from happening. I personally found nothing wrong with what Ulic posted, but that's just me. Someone else may have and I suppose that's reason enough for closing the thread. I have the utmost respect for you guys/gal on the council, if for no other reason than for all the work you guys do voluntaraly to give all of us a cool place to play JK2 and chat with like-minded people. Having said all that, pass that bong back and let's consider what went on here and try to learn from it. Both sides could have handled this in a more civil manner. My mother taught me a saying when I was a kid (although she doesn't really follow it herself): It's easier to attract a bear with honey than it is with vinegar. Each side has used vinegar to try and get their point across. Let's try to use more honey, it's better for the cotton-mouth you'll get from smoking the cyber-peace bong! Now /amkiss and /ammakeup!!! _______________ Midbie Council Member #2 - Profile ID 2073 | Member of B@rtM@ulS@ar | Owner of Monty's 2000th comment & D@RtHM@UL's 8100th comment | Former Padawan of SilkMonkey & Arcuss JA Goaltender & NHL Fan | Fellow Rush fan to Axion|Plo Koon is my oldest JA friend Post your RL pics HERE! | Post you JK2/JK3 screenies HERE! |
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Hey Ulic look at this real quick. "I was doing some reading on the Star Wars: Galaxies forums and ran across an interesting topic. It had a link to the story of Shawn Woolley, who took his life after being PK'd in Everquest. I'm saying this because it's a little after a year since his death and we need to remind ourselves that this is just a game. If you find yourself getting too involved push your chair back, go outside, breathe some air, and say "It's just a game." You can read Woolley's story here: http://www.jsonline.com/news/state/mar02/31536.asp?format=print" Silent Whisper I mean come on. Its a game to have fun. Ok you're not a racist, and we all know that. Also if you don't like it here so much then you can leave. There are about 200 JO severs left out there and I will promise you that on 99% of them you won't be treated half as fairly. They all run some type of admin mod and all the admins run around empowered breaking their own rules. Make your own Academy and see how easy it is. Or hop from pub to pub and get amslapped at every one for being better than the admin's blow buddy. |
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DJ Sith - Jedi Council 
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*helps himself to a banana* Thanks. Ulic (Belouve), man, I gotta side with Daina on this one. You yourself told her you at the time didn't trust women. You may have your reasons for doing so, but look at it from her (and other folks') perspective. I don't want this to be a "JAC vs Ulic" kind of thread. I appreciate your concerns. In your 1st letter to me you stated the value of trying to see all sides of an argument. Please try to see our side. _______________ My car is made of Nerf. |
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Ulic |retired| - Student 
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Belouve, I just like to know, what is the purpose of all this? Why are you creating this discussion that leads to nothing but confusion, insults and a bad day (for me at least). Is this your idea of a goodbye-and-thank-you-gift? And thanks for the bananas whoever did it  Someone said *we have to tackle this problem* WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM?! _______________ Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam This comment was edited by Ulic |retired| on Jun 03 2003 04:25pm. |
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Ulic Belouve - Student
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So we have Huxley: "Jeez, talk about being racist and out of line." http://www.thejediacademy.net/forums_detail_page.php?f_id=2629 "Why didn't you just say you're taking applications for the KKK too." And now Silent chimes in: "you sir ARE INDEED RACIST." (in this forum) So, wow. I like the varying degrees of respect here. C'mon, I know other Council members can be equally creative in calling me racist. I know there's talent out there in the Council. _______________ Jedi do not fight for peace. That's only a slogan, and is as misleading as slogans always are. Jedi fight for civilization, because only civilization creates peace. This comment was edited by Ulic Belouve on Jun 03 2003 03:58pm. |
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Kueller - Student 
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I'll smoke as long as there weed in it!! _______________ Personal sleepness-nights-supporter of Virtue. Owner of the 1000th comment of Daidalus and 1943th comment of Gradius! Owner of the 300th comment of Carda! -Taught Gradius all his laming skills
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Mistral - Ex-Student 
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Order! Order! Case no 1004, The Jedi Academy vs Ulic Belouve Kangaroo court now in session. j/k Seriously, though I'm impressed with the amount of wisdom evident in some of the posts here I'm equally unimpressed by others. Silent Whisper, you've once again used the word racist. Is this what the mighty jedi are reduced to? Name calling? Although I appreciate that everyone has a right to voice their opinion, too many of those opinions are borne out of anger, getting us nowhere. We're the Jedi Academy, we're in this together and we must rise above this. There's a problem, we can either fix it or admit that it's too much for us. To this end I propose we channel our energy into sorting this mess out. Lay it to rest. How? Dunno. Peacepipe? This comment was edited by Mistral on Jun 03 2003 03:22pm. |
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Jacen Aratan - Student |
I can only agree with Fonz' post earlier; you are entitled to your opinion, and should express it, but you need to do it in the right tone. When they want something changed in the UN they're somewhat rational, right (talking generally)? JA might be political, to a certain point, but this should in no way be a war. I wont come with too much about this topic as I don't know much about the way of the JAC's (or the way of any of the other ranked), but I have to disagree. As I see it the JAC's try to do their best, this might not always be the right thing, from a certain point of view, but you must remember one thing: You can NEVER make everyone happy, not when there's so many different people here. Dunno if that even has the slightest interrest for you guys..... |
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Kueller - Student 
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I am quite disturbed by this post. I am not saying you shouldn't have posted it, because it's your opinion and you are entitled to it. I just want to say that I don't agree with you. I've known Huxley for quite some time (not as good as some of you of coarse) and I have met DJ some times too. I like them, they are human beings too (sorry for the des-illusion you guys ) and act that way. They are not all-powerfull, and because they get so many things to deal with (and RL) they will sometimes not be able to size up the situation right. We must think rationally and accept that, and think at the same time that these guys keep the site and the place running (of coarse with help of some others). And as with every country and every political system THERE IS NO PERFECT WAY. There is only the least bad way. Of coarse you can go wrong sometimes, and sometimes you do other things, and sometimes you just want to act as normal people together in the chat room. I don't know if I made a point here, because I really can't see one. But what I wrote comes from myself and the place that the JA is. And I know what a beautifull place it is, since a lot of people have helped me in some very nasty times.*goes and takes a nap between the others that read this post* _______________ Personal sleepness-nights-supporter of Virtue. Owner of the 1000th comment of Daidalus and 1943th comment of Gradius! Owner of the 300th comment of Carda! -Taught Gradius all his laming skills
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Fizz of Belouve - Student 
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I took the time to read through this whole bunch of responses - and some have really surprised me while others didnt. Buzz really upset me with his post - (and as I just watched bowling 4 Columbine yet once again) - u were reffering to the United Nations as the Useless Nations - probably reffering to Iraq and other crisis - this point of view makes me grief. Of course it is everyones right to express his thoughts - but just as whispy said - u gotta dig to find out what lies below the surface - but everyone seems too tired or lazy or simply not interested! Someone stated out that Ulic takes this as a political issue - guess what: it IS a political issue. The JA indeed is a political system - a small one, but nevertheless it _is_ one. I appreciate that Ulic brings out his issues to open discussion - as this is the way to resolve it. _______________ One of the Belouve boys, founder of the mighty FiZZsters Midbie council #20 - Fizz - #1933 - Jan '03 - Aug '04 "Renfield, you idiot!" |
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Nightcrawl2r - Ex-Student 
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For as far as i have seen in this post it is clear that Ulic is having quite a personality problem. I address myself to Ulic: 'Ulic, I have no idea what happened in the passed that did this to you but it's time to snap out of it and take a look at urself and then right back at the Jedi Academy and its true intention (read on the website!). This community has been established, first of all for gamers around the world, to become a better player at the game but ever so important to create bonds of friendship and meet new ppl all over the world! Talking about politics is fine by me but it shouldn't be mixed up with the JA so it's time to put some harmony back in ur life there and get happy!!' Peace out... ps: good luck in ur future life. _______________ Lineage: son of Mystique, father of Nocturne. |
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Aeth S'kray - Retired 
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Well I agree with Fonz. Your actions would be three times effective if you would stay reasonable and calm Ulic. And, dammit, keep your political aspects out of this. Maybe it's just me, but I think you are dealing with this subject like you were in a political arguement. "Nemesis, e-mail me. I want to see what you can contribute to this fight. Anyone else who wants to aid, drop me a line." "Man. I already had enough ammo. They just keep giving me more." That's just not neccessary. You *search* for the trouble, you *want* to find things you can argue about. That doesnt look to me like if you want to have peace at all. And this is not a war, Ulic, with enemys and allies. So stop handling it like it was one, if you want to argue, go to your parliaments. Listen, this is not to make you leave, it's a simple rule I follow: You are here freewilling. Noone forces you to be here. So, if you dont like it anymore, leave it. Sounds simple, doesnt it? _______________ Aeth S'kray *June 2002 +September 2003 This comment was edited by Aeth S'kray on Jun 03 2003 10:32am. |
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Monteeeeeee - Nugget 
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hop hop ....monty hopping through the forums ...... hop hop _______________ If you add me to MSN, tell me who you are
Best Movie Character EVER!! |
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Sared - Retired 
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And to think...sites like this are created for the sole purpose of bringing people together who enjoy the same thing and enjoy doing it together.... What a pity it could have stayed that way. (And for the record, I am choosing to stay as neutral as possible here, so excuse me while I go fetch everyone a banana. ) _______________ I'm crazy, not stupid. |
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