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Rocket Raccoon - Student  |
how can you people call yourselves star wars fans. you should be ashamed, ASHAMED i say. _______________ "I'm not normally a religious man, but if you're up there, save me, Superman!"-Homer Simpson |
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Plo Koon - Student 
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yeah no more fighting and im not accusing you cant like diferent parts of it.lets all just have fun!  _______________ Free Tibet! Click this link,and learn Here too |
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Buzz - Student 
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You're getting into the parts of this discussion that I find stupid. Going and saying "I'm a Star Wars fan but I didn't really like some of the things in the prequels" is perfectly fine. What if someone were to say "Yeah I'm a fan of the show Friends but I didn't really like the second season. It was kind of dumb." Does that mean they can't be called a fan of the show? You don't need to absolutely love every single aspect of the thing just to be a fan. I'm not going out buying every piece of merchandise with the Star Wars logo slapped on it. That doesn't make me any less of a fan. How would you like it if someone was going "The only real Star Wars fans are the ones that stand in line for the midnight showing in full costume and then see the movie 50 times in the first month." When the original trilogy was coming out in theaters they were on an equal footing of cinematic quality as many other films that were being released at the time were and were above the board in special effects. The Prequels are still above the board in special effects but they are not of the same quality as a whole like the originals. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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Plo Koon - Student
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oh and yeah Racoon i know,those are people who only like parts of the STORY,its all one big story! _______________ Free Tibet! Click this link,and learn Here too This comment was edited by Plo Koon on Jun 24 2003 10:43am. |
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Plo Koon - Student 
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buzz off buzz,he made them the way he made them and it seems alot more people like them besides you. _______________ Free Tibet! Click this link,and learn Here too |
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Rocket Raccoon - Student 
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the point is that i dont understand the people that are like, "yeah man i'm a HUGE star wars fan!! well except for the prequels, they SUCK!! jar jar SUCKS, anakin SUCKS! but empire strikes back RULES!!!! why not just your an empire strikes back fan. _______________ "I'm not normally a religious man, but if you're up there, save me, Superman!"-Homer Simpson |
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Buzz - Student
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The point is that many feel that he's made the movies to be far too childlike. He shoots for a PG rating and an under 2 hour limit. He could have made AOTC a 45 minute movie because that was about all that was good in it. There are movies that have PG-13 ratings that kids want to see. He says that these movies were supposed to be darker, but they don't seem very dark to me. The prequels could have had a better storyline than what he's come up with, and they certainly could have been directed better. I actually defended having the gungans in the TPM when I saw it and heard people complain. But then I realized how really horrible they were in it. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. This comment was edited by Buzz on Jun 22 2003 05:41pm. |
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Plo Koon - Student
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since he made the movies the way HE wanted them not for anyone else--Its all just one big story and you all just say you dont like PArts of it is what they mean. _______________ Free Tibet! Click this link,and learn Here too |
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Halendor - Ex-Student 
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This was originally posted by DJ in the General Discussion, but I think this article can be applied to this thread too: http://boards2.station.sony.com/ubb/starwars/Forum3/HTML/133275.html |
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Plo Koon - Student
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yeah real star wars fans would actually like all the movies-i cant belive you all making thos minor details-keep it to yourselves-dont hold your breathe _______________ Free Tibet! Click this link,and learn Here too |
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Rocket Raccoon - Student 
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i dont really think that phantom menace would have gone on to make $431,088,297 if it had not been any good. which is kinda what i said before. anyways, when i started this thread i never meant for it to become so serious. i was just expressing MY opinion. _______________ "I'm not normally a religious man, but if you're up there, save me, Superman!"-Homer Simpson |
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Buzz - Student 
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I did not call you stupid racoon. I said your saying that being unable to criticize is stupid. Which is actually what you made this post about. Everyone that says the prequels aren't that good, you tell them that they should be ashamed to call themselves star wars fans. I don't go telling people that thought these movies were great should be ashamed to call themselves fans because I think a different way. And Flamori is right. Do you really think that Episode 1 would have made 105 million dollars in its opening week if it didn't have Star Wars infront of its title? You said Lucas is Star Wars. And that if anyone else does something in the universe then its only their interpretation of star wars and that's not a movie you want to see. Well Empire and Return of the Jedi were not directed by Lucas so I guess those are only interpretations too and not really true star wars. He doesn't have to direct. He's a horrible director now. I don't suppose you saw the petition online that came out a few months after Fellowship of the Ring came out to have Peter Jackson direct Episode 3. The results were not very favorable to Lucas's directing abilities. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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Rocket Raccoon - Student
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So you are saying that the Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clone have made a total of $733,279,549 just because they have a star wars label. Maybe it is because some people think they are pretty good movies. And you asked if I thought they were "as good or better than the ORIGINALS"(i thought you were referring to ANH, ESB, ROTJ). _______________ "I'm not normally a religious man, but if you're up there, save me, Superman!"-Homer Simpson |
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Flamori Athena - Student 
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What I meant was that the prequels recieve publicity only because they're under the Star wars label. I never said anything about the originals. _______________ «±» 21st on the Midbie Council, Profile ID: 2027 «±» True wisdom is the knowledge that you know nothing. |
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doobie - Jedi Council 
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oooh, ooh, I can, I can! The Godfather Seven Samurai Rashomon Dr. Strangelove The Pianist The Godfather, Part 2 Lawrence of Arabia Schindler's List Citizen Kane shall I continue? (of course, this is my personal opinion, i'm sure a lot of you disagree. I just don't think, and have never thought, the SW movies were all that incredible as movies... however i still rank them, at least empire, in my favorites due to the entertainment and mythology. in case you care  )or did you mean sequels better than originals? Godfather part 2 (debatable) Mad Max 2 (road warrior) Terminator 2 Evil Dead 2/Army of Darkness Star Trek 2 (at least what i've heard, i haven't seen it) Toy Story 2 Indy Jones and the Last Crusade The Two Towers (IMO, 10 times better that FotR) A bunch of Bond movies... _______________ -Academy Leader/Dictator/Defeater of DJ Sith and JACen Solo in the JAK+ Tournament -I do think it (the JA) will help convert dozens, maybe hundreds, to the dork nation... --me This comment was edited by doobie on Jun 16 2003 07:38am. |
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Rocket Raccoon - Student
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sorry guys. i just got upset because Buzz called me stupid for saying that he had no right to criticize the prequels when in fact, i said nothing like that. i believe that everyone has a right to their own opinion and mine is that you shouldnt say that lucas is not good enough to make anymore star wars movies. star wars is george lucas, and if someone else makes it then it becomes that person's interpretation of star wars. and in my opinion, that is not the movie i want to see. i want to see star wars as it was meant to be from the beginning. i think the prequels are amazing. i love the characters and the relationships between them. i love the action and the story. they have added so much depth that the originals never truly had. i for one am glad that they are being made the way that they are. that is my opinion and there are lots of people that feel the same way. and flamori 3000, can you name any movies that are as good or better than the originals. and once again, i am sorry i got upset. i just dont like be called stupid for saying something that i never said in the first place. _______________ "I'm not normally a religious man, but if you're up there, save me, Superman!"-Homer Simpson |
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Flamori Athena - Student 
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Hey rocket, do you really think EP I & II were as good or better than the originals? The only reason they're famous now is because of the Star Wars labels and because people want to see what happens before a New Hope. If that weren't the case, it'd be 'Just Another Sci-fi Movie'. _______________ «±» 21st on the Midbie Council, Profile ID: 2027 «±» True wisdom is the knowledge that you know nothing. |
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doobie - Jedi Council 
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Easy rocket... Buzz is allowed to have his opinion and share it without being called names or insulted. Don't let this get out of control or it'll force me to close this thread, and this is a pretty silly thread to have to close. _______________ -Academy Leader/Dictator/Defeater of DJ Sith and JACen Solo in the JAK+ Tournament -I do think it (the JA) will help convert dozens, maybe hundreds, to the dork nation... --me |
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Buzz - Student
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Rocket don't turn this into an insulting contest. I don't just have to respond to one post of yours at a time. I can also point out the fact that I do not have to be ashamed of myself for criticizing the prequels and still call myself a star wars fan. Or did you forget your own topic? I think that what Lucas has done with his art isn't very good. I don't think he's a good director. I think he's horrible at writing dialogue. I know I'm not the only one that thinks this way. He may be good at coming up with the ideas and good at editing. That doesn't mean he needs to direct and write the screenplay. I'll point out Picasso again since you liked using him. He was a very good painter. Does that mean he was also a great sculpter or a great composer? _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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Rocket Raccoon - Student
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Buzz, are you a damn moron. i never said that you were not allowed to criticize star wars. i said dont tell the artist how to do his art. now before you write another five paragraphs filled with irrelavent references please remove your head from your anus and read what i actually said. _______________ "I'm not normally a religious man, but if you're up there, save me, Superman!"-Homer Simpson |
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Buzz - Student
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Star Wars is not this ultimate thing which cannot be criticized, either by fans, critics, and nonfans. Critics watch many many movies and don't always hit the mark of the public but they still do give their opinions of the movies. Non fans have either seen the movies and not liked them, or have never seen the movies and say they suck just because they are Star Wars. I'm a fan. I've seen each of the movies well over one time. And overall I like them. That doesn't mean that I think the prequels are great. In fact I think they are sad compared to the originals. Lucas's origninal focus wasn't on making the movies all digital. And you want to bring up Picasso? Ok, how would people feel if Picasso went and changed around his paintings every few years? Or for a South Park reference "What if the Beatles changed the White Album every few years?" I have every right to criticize the prequels. If they were not star wars movies then they would be considered total garbage by almost anyone. I'm a fan of the movie Dumb and Dumber. Does that mean that I have to like Dumb and Dumberer? Its got the same directors and writers I believe. So I must be obligated to like it right? How about television shows. Many shows have gone down the tubes after many seasons. If I was a fan of the show in previous seasons I have to like the newer episodes even if they are crap. How about Music? I like older Metallica but I think that a lot of their newer stuff is really crap. Do you see how stupid that is to say that you cannot criticize something because you call yourself a fan? I say that being a fan you have the ultimate right to point out the flaws in the thing that you love. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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Rocket Raccoon - Student
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star wars has always been lucas' creation, his art. like most artists he makes it how he wants it and says if you dont like it then thats your problem. i for one applaud him for staying true to his original vision and not altering it for overly judgemental fans. these are his movies and he has every right to make them anyway he wants to. bad dialog and all. so if you dont like 'em dont watch 'em. its like telling picasso that the nose goes in the center of the face, sure it would look right, but then it would be just another portrait. _______________ "I'm not normally a religious man, but if you're up there, save me, Superman!"-Homer Simpson |
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Buzz - Student
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Because he loved the original trilogy and likely likes many aspects of the expanded universe. But he is disappointed by the prequels since they are a faint shadow of everything else from star wars. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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Rocket Raccoon - Student
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how can someone be a fan of something yet hate it at the same time. _______________ "I'm not normally a religious man, but if you're up there, save me, Superman!"-Homer Simpson |
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Aeth S'kray - Retired 
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without reading any previous comments: I'm not a star wars fan... I'm a TRUE star wars fan. therefore i can hate the prequels  _______________ Aeth S'kray *June 2002 +September 2003 |
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Buzz - Student
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Vaughn, I'd say that Liam Neeson, Ewan McGregor, Natalie Portman, and Samuel L. Jackson are more than experienced actors. And Christopher Lee, now come on. These are some great and talented actors that are given a bunch of fluff for lines and a director whos been known for directing as simply going "Faster" "More Intense" _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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