| George Lucas , You done good but now is the time to let go!! | |
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Jedi Al Khalaas - Student  |
Ok , I think George has done fantastic with teh 1st 3 films ,and allowing the expanded universe to grow. However, now I think it might be the time for him to step aside. Eps 1 & 2 could have been soooo much better if snippets of the Expanded Universe had been hinted at. His seeming disdain of the Expanded universe (eg if I want to make Han Solo impotent in Ep 3 to screw up the EU , i will) is holding it all back.
I say he should step aside and let his baby grow up , properly. |
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Plo Koon - Student 
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its not just ANH,the 6 movies of sw are one big story _______________ Free Tibet! Click this link,and learn Here too |
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Bail Hope of Belouve - Student 
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A new Hope and Fellowship of the Ring have the best stories! You should think about it  _______________ Visit the Belouve Family Website! Quote: I try to have fun with my friends and try to make a difference as best I can. What does making a difference mean? Well, it can be as simple as saying hello, answering a question that seems obvious or heck, just talking. -- Vladarion
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Buzz - Student 
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Jaws, are you saying the A New Hope had no story? Or that Fellowship of the Ring had no story? You can make a beginning movie have a good story, in fact most beginning movies are supposed to have good stories. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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Lord Jaws - Student 
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I don;t think he alters the movie couse the fans have some expectations of it. he works on his own expectations. And if he is smart, he will put a LOT of his time making a good story. I like reading the stories about how it may be, but i still just wait for the movie and see what happens. And you like star wars or you do not. just like that. And if I see ep 1 and 2, there is a lot of improvement in ep 2..so I think ep 3 still will be very good... And i think you cannot underestimate the power of a good story. Ep 1 has almost no story in it. but like my dad says, that is becouse it is the beginning of a story, you can't make that VERY inyeresting, so I think he compensated that with Lightsaberbattles and special affects. _______________ One night, I was lying in my bed, looking up at the stars and I said to myself: "Where the h*** is my ceiling?! |
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Jawa Rikard Falk - Ex-Student 
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maybe have the last star wars movies dosent have right power but why give up i need star wars! if lucas have bad storys now but maybe some good producer can take over none some know what some means by the name star wars _______________ bye all i had a great time here i will never forget it i really gonna miss u all |
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Xipkell - Student |
Umm I hate to point this out but he is stepping aside. After EP 3 that's it fin, finito, done AKA no more SW movies. I'm not quite so sure he has ignored the EU out of spite. If he were to include every little piece of the EU that was tied in the movies would be 4 or more hours long. I'm not saying that would bve a bad thing but remember how much people were complaining about LOTR being too long to sit in a theater for? As much as I'd like to think these movies are made just for us fans, Lucas also has to think on a global scale as far as viewer appeal goes. Now as far as the quality of the recent movies goes, I hate to say it but, you can't to have the same feeling every time you see a new movie in a series. You grow older and always ajust your views of your world. If I may make a suggestion: try to go see EP 3 with no expectations and you probably won't be disappointed. With all we have built up these stories to be in our minds, Lucas would have to make 50 different versions of the movies just to satisfy all the fans. Expect nothing and, most of the time, you will be pleasantly surprised and if you are not you have missed nothing.   |
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Lord Jaws - Student 
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he could use the help, but then again, in Ep 3 is more story, and this was not so in Ep 1 and 2. the old movies had a lot more story in it. And I think he is trusting too much on his special affects. _______________ One night, I was lying in my bed, looking up at the stars and I said to myself: "Where the h*** is my ceiling?! |
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(Jedi)Obi-JK - Student 
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Sup, Lucas is basically a guy who came up with a really reall really cool raw idea, the overall story / timeline, etc. But If you look at the directors/writers for EP 4-6: EP4: Director: Lucas Writing Credits: Lucas Is this anyone favorite episode, no one that I know, but he was really young and he did a pretty damn good job. Ep5 Director: Irvin Kershner Writing Credits: Lucas, Leigh Brackett, and Lawrence Kasdan. So lucas steps down as director, and has some ppl to help refine his raw idea, the output, my favorite episode (not that means shit) and a great movie, arguably one of the best Sci-Fi ever. Ep6: Director: Richard Marquand Writing Credits: Lucas and Lawrence Kasdan Again Luas doesnt direct, and has some help writing. From this I think its pretty obvious to show that when Lucas has help "they" can do great things. For Ep1 and Ep2, he directed and only had some help with the screen play for Ep2, I think Ep2 is better than Ep1, but both are still lacking. _______________ Silent Bob (Kevin Smith): You know, there's a million fine looking women in the world, dude. But they don't all bring you lasagna at work. Most of 'em just cheat on you. -Steve (Obi) |
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Bail Hope of Belouve - Student 
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*bump * _______________ Visit the Belouve Family Website! Quote: I try to have fun with my friends and try to make a difference as best I can. What does making a difference mean? Well, it can be as simple as saying hello, answering a question that seems obvious or heck, just talking. -- Vladarion
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Jedi Al Khalaas - Student 
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So was Vader afraid that if he got the wrong kind of exposure, he would be lured back from the dark side? Surely not? |
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ioshee - Student 
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I think Lucas has dropped the ball a bit however, it is his ball to drop. Buzz has some perfect points I agree with totally.
I think Ben (or Obiwan as everyone else calls him) hid out on Tatooine because he knew how much Anikin distanced himself from that place. Every time the stormtroopers invaded a ship or a planet Vader was like the 4th through the door. But not on Tatooine. I think that is because of his horrible memories of the place. That is why they hid Luke there. As for Leia I don't know why they didn't see her. Probably so the story would work. (hehe) P.S. Please excuse the misspelling of any character names. _______________ One of the Belouve boys |
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Jedi Al Khalaas - Student
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Come to think of it Ben Kenobi , hiding on Tatooine, where Anakin Skywalker was born? and raised. Where Anakins mother died. Where his future padawan, Luke Skywalker was raised , is a pretty stupid thing to do.....
UNLESS....he wanted to be close to Luke , so that when the signal came Luke would put 2 and 2 together and come and find him!! but then why could not The emperor and Vader sense Luke , and more importantly why did he not sense Leia? |
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Kalheka - Student 
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Yeah Yoda went into hiding on dagobah, but there is an entire story to be told on how he got to dagobah, i feel. Hiding in a cave was really a theory. _______________ Death is only the beginning. |
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Jedi Al Khalaas - Student
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In another thread , someone said that Yoda went to Dagobah to hide (or stranded there?) and the dark side cave shielded his light side and that hid him from the sith.
As for Obi Wan , he went into hiding as well , but there was this theory that Ben Kenobi was a clone of Obi Wan Kenobi???????? |
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Kalheka - Student
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That would be a good ending slackworth. I think though I would be disappointed in it if they don't explain how Yoda and Obi-Wan escape the killing. _______________ Death is only the beginning. This comment was edited by Kalheka on Jan 02 2003 01:33pm. |
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slackworth - Ex-Student |
If what you say is true (in regards to GL being a different person now, which I can and will accept) then my father is truley dead. I hold out no hope for E3, unless the clone wars get wicked awesome. A quick note - Star Wars Insider interviewed James Earl Jones (for you newbs out there, the voice of Vader) and he has been asked to appear at the sound studio for a short stint in E3. If I were directing the next movie, the last scene would be Like this:
A lone jedi, cloaked at a computer terminal. He's feverishly typing on the keypad, and then we here a door in the background. The last the thing you see is the Jedi Look up amazed. We here the breathing of Fallen Jedi, and the saber come to life. Fade... |
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Jedi Al Khalaas - Student 
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A young GL , with all the enthusiasm , ideas and energy that goes into that, made ANH, ESB and ROTJ with love, It shows.
TPM and AOTC is made by a different GL. If you said to me that the original GL from that time was making ep 1-3 , with all the love and without the blue screen technology , I would accept that. Some thing is missing from EP 1 & 2 , and although I accept that without GL there is no Star Wars, GL needs some one to help bring the love and enegry and edge back. I watched yesterday a programme on TV, that had Bryan Singer (director of X men) , commenting on 100 greatest ever movies. Just imagine if GL & Bryan Singer worked collaboratively on EP 3???!!! I think the result would be a better movie than if GL makes it alone. (Bryan Singer is an example). This comment was edited by Jedi Al Khalaas on Dec 30 2002 08:45am. |
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slackworth - Ex-Student |
By the way, If the other 3 movies had been produced first (E1,2,3 instead 4,5,6) the story wouldnt be too different. People would have built upon the Journeys of Darth Vader and the Empire. The rebellion would have new faces that would have been left out, pissing of the EU writers/fans in that alternate universe aswell. |
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slackworth - Ex-Student |
As much as I was displeased with EP 1 and 2 (strictly because it was too much Hollywood, not Enough George Lucas Original), I must say that there would be no expanded Universe without GL. And to bad for EU fans and writers, GL is the ONLY source for True SW's. Reverse the situation. If GL had been a fan of your first three movies of a series, read a lot of books and then was disappointed because you didn't include character X. You get complaint mail from GL about how this and that should have been. Its artistic vision, and it is limited to the artist. |
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Lord Exar Kun - Student 
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agreed, ep2 sucks. to much lovestory. I like ep1, but maybe it's a bit to "nice" and all, if you know what I mean. _______________ -Retired april the 19th 2004 |
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Buzz - Student
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I agree with you. I think the prequels would have been absolutely amazing if someone like zahn or stackpole had written the storylines. Granted they are novelists and not screenwriters, but their novels have never left me thinking that they screwed up the star wars universe. I think George is out of touch and it started when he did the Special Editions. Greedo shooting and missing Han at point blank range, now come on. That's really sad. It was better when Han shot him first, showed that he wasn't the greatest guy and an outlaw. By Return of the Jedi he'd changed into a man willing to fight for a cause and lead others.
I wonder who all knows that Zahn was the one that created Coruscant, and Lucas took it and used it. I think a big part of Lucas's problem is he wants to make Star Wars a children's movie and he's even said that even about the originals but they have something to them all ages can enjoy. Episode 1 was a children's movie about a tax blockade and political struggles. Wow that captures the imagination. Episode 2 seems more like a platform advertisement for digital cinematography. He's definitely the guy that should be the executive producer and even a writer for the movies and get the final say so, but not direct. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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Jedi Al Khalaas - Student
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Compare The Timothy Zahn trilogy of books with the Ep 1 and 2. Zahn gave us 3 dimensional characters such as Thrawn, The Noghri, Talon karrde and Mara Jade, ysalamari etc,. None of these are Lucas inventions but look how they had added to the Star Wars universe. Zahn made some good teasing insight into the clone wars in his trilogy. It will be interesting to see if Lucas builds on this or destroys it with Ep 3 .
Point being, also , that using talented writers , like Zahn , will add to the SW universe, and George should give it up a little to let it grow. This comment was edited by Jedi Al Khalaas on Dec 21 2002 08:00am. |
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Aeth S'kray - Retired 
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i'm quite familiar with the EU (beside comics) but i think there was never anything about the part the movies are about...
but i agree that the newest movies miss something. don't really know WHAT it is... but LotR HAS it  _______________ Aeth S'kray *June 2002 +September 2003 |
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Shannon -SC- - Student 
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No he's completly right. I enjoyed EPI&II but they doesn't really fit in the EU which was created through all the books. _______________ Falling from heaven is not as painfull, as surviving the impact. |
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cHoSeN oNe - Retired 
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Man you should be slapped for saying such words _______________ Get busy living, or get busy dying. |
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