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Yellow or Red?
Aug 12 2003 11:10am

Cyb
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Cyb
I was wondering lately, if 2 guys with the exact same skill, but one has that skill in yellow style and the other one in red style, would fight eachother.. who would win? In other words is red style or yellow style the better one?
What do you think and maybe even why??
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Oct 19 2005 02:21pm

NotSoLittleCaesar
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 NotSoLittleCaesar

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Well, Dash since you're a JAK, is there a Red stancer that you've not been able to best?

-Ian
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red owns all yellow >:x
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Oct 08 2005 03:08pm

AvaloN
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 AvaloN

In an equal skill environment, id say yellow.

Altho I absolutely detest yellow, its a pain in da butt for a red stancer. Guess I should get some more practice with yellow.


Oct 07 2005 12:18pm

Dash Starlight
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 Dash Starlight

Not at all Masta, Im quite good at dying ^^
As a response to Ian, anyone can be beaten, so even the REALLY hard red users can be beaten by my yellow. It just takes like 100 tries sometimes :P
Anyways, it works the other way around too; theres not a redder (or any stance-user for that matter) that doesnt stand a fair chance against me; anyone can kill me.
Furthermore, it all depends on which person is more effective in a particular duel. That will variate from duel to duel (think of making a lot of mistakes, or hardly any at all). Every time I step into a duel, its a new challenge for me to stay alive, or maybe finally beat a redder I cant seem to counter.
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This comment was edited by Dash Starlight on Oct 07 2005 12:25pm.

Oct 06 2005 07:38pm

Masta
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 Masta

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Oct 04 2005 06:42am

Ian Jandos
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 Ian Jandos

Well, Dash since you're a JAK, is there a Red stancer that you've not been able to best?

-Ian
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Jan 29 2005 10:46am

Dash Starlight
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 Dash Starlight

Heh, hers another counter-argument for my theory: Red isnt yellow, they may make the same AMOUNT of mistakes, that doesnt mean those mistakes are the same :) A mistake with Red stance may take longer 2 correct, for example. ^^ In that sense Red Stance and Yellow Stance are equel :)

EDIT: reading this back, I think Ive just said about the same as Sol did b4 LOL!
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This comment was edited by Dash Starlight on Feb 13 2005 12:52pm.

Jan 29 2005 01:26am

solitude
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 solitude

thats true, but if you make a mistake, a yellow user is faster and is more likely to hit you in the gap you leave. i.e. a yellow user is more likely to punish you for your mistakes. unless the red user is goooood
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Jan 29 2005 01:21am

Dash Starlight
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 Dash Starlight

Lol, here's another crazy thought of mine:

It takes a red stancer less hits 2 kill his opponent than a yellowstancer.

Now, 2 people of the same skill, make the same amount of mistakes. They also take advantage from those mistakes at the same amount. So red wins. :)

Lol, Im afraid that's an ok theory... in theory :P Im not sure wether it worx that way in real duels ;)
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Jan 25 2005 12:49am

Ecks
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 Ecks

if a clone of one guy fights the original, I'd go with yellow. But that's only because yellow knows what's going to happen next. If two different people with the same skill fought, I'd go with red. I don't care how slow or "predicatable" red is, any master can outsmart the odds :p
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Jan 24 2005 04:48pm

CroW
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 CroW

Yellow wins :)

I've tried lots of things in JK2 and in pure nf duels yellow stancers are nasty opponents ;)

Red is too slow and predictable

... These are my two cents... :)
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Jan 02 2005 01:05pm

Fizz of Belouve
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 Fizz of Belouve

saber-clash-countering or parrying is the best bet to hit a red stancer. finding open gaps in an experienced players moves is very very hard, and hardly possible.

therefore, RED.
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Dec 31 2004 04:49pm

Dash Starlight
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 Dash Starlight

Hmmm... funny, the very same question crossed my mind lately. My vote goes to yellow though, for the following reason:

A yellowstancer can attack a redstancer and get away fast enough, before he can be countered... I think :)
However, a Red stancer may always find himself beeing countered, because he has open gaps...

Maybe Im over-simplifying things here, but I think the main question is: Can a red stancer perfectly close his gaps?

In my humbla opinion, and little experience, I think he's not... so a yellowstancer always has an opoortunity to get a hit in at a redstancer's gaps.

In actual duels, though, it's very hard to beat a brilliant Redstancer with yellow and it's also very hard to beat a brilliant yellowstancer with red. Both arent perfect, both players make mistakes, so the chances are about equal I'd say. In theory however, I believe the yellowstancer may just come out as the victor.
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This comment was edited by Dash Starlight on Dec 31 2004 09:41pm.

Aug 20 2003 06:31am

BD
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 BD

Hmmmm ... would say yellow .. but then again ... I use mix of Red and Yellow so not so easy to say.
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Aug 19 2003 06:21pm

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Neither, I'd come in and declare Lando time. No one would be fighting after that.
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Aug 19 2003 04:36am

NofrikinfuN
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Red suits my tastes better, and equal skill doesn't matter so much as which tactics are employed.

There are ways to beat both, of course. :D

Aug 17 2003 09:47pm

Jedi Deity
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 Jedi Deity

Either style could win the red style requires less hits to defeat your opponent whereas da yellow requires more but they both have their advantages and disadvantages.
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Aug 16 2003 11:56am

Lord Exar Kun
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 Lord Exar Kun

even though I'm a red style dueler, I think yellow would win simply coz its faster.
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Aug 16 2003 01:54am

dartH|Bodhi
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 dartH|Bodhi

While Yellow does not do the same damage as Red, it is far more mobile than Red. With Yellow, a Left-to-Right, or Right-to-Left will score both hits before one Red swing can recover, as far as I can tell. Mind you a Red 3 swing combo into the Red DFA, KICKS ASS!!! :D
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Aug 14 2003 11:33am

Plo Koon
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 Plo Koon

i use every stance,mix it up,they both have are great just at different times
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Aug 12 2003 11:39pm

Flash
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 Flash

Red has cooler aerial attacks.:P

Aug 12 2003 09:11pm

Jake Kainite
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 Jake Kainite

If we're going proper extreme, but staying within the laws of normal human reaction speed and such :P I'd have to go with yellow. Lets break it down:

You can counter in both stances, but a yellow guy can see the red swings coming, as they are slower, and mode predictable.

Yellow can do a max of 5 swings, whereas red 3. This means not only does yellow have more possible hit chances, it also has a wider variety of combinations, thus making it less predictable.

Red does average 60 damage (normal left and right swings, overheads do 90)whereas normal yellow do 30. If you hit everytime with red, thats a possible 180 damage, next to yellows 150.

Yellow is faster, thus making it easier to time swings faster than your opponent can react and also strike at gaps before they close.

The DFA has a high consistant damage, but YDFA can possibly cause more, its varied and random. Each move is the perfect counter for the other one.


All in all I'm sticking by yellow :D But a skilled fighter in red and yellow would beat someone who uses one stance exclusivley anyday, due to having more possible options, the best parts of both stances, and the ability to change making them unpredictable. The most important thing, however, is that yellow looks kooler :D
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Aug 12 2003 07:38pm

joca_bt
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 joca_bt

I depends on the acuracy and agility and I think a bit luck will help.:P
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Aug 12 2003 06:18pm

D@RtHM@UL
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 D@RtHM@UL

Doesnt matter both have same chance. It depends on the person using it :)

Aug 12 2003 06:14pm

PlooKoon
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 PlooKoon

depends on agility , if the yellow guy had a lot of agility and skill it would , and visa versa
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Aug 12 2003 04:36pm

Gentleman Loser
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 Gentleman Loser

Hmmm..
I think it depends on how much skill we're talking about.
If:
Low skill level=wildly hacking at each other, then yellow wins by virtue of having more chances to hit and greater chances of blocking
Medium skilled=knowing all the specials but having to think carefully about positioning of attacks, then it could go either way
Highly skilled=being able to perform complex counters without thinking, then red wins every time by virtue of being that much stronger a stance.
Imho:D
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