| Girl stabbed to death by father in the name of "honour"... (uncensored thread, be warned) | |
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/england/london/3149030.stm I have alot to say about this, but it'll probably get me banned from this here place, so i'll let you all think what you will. All I will say is that this has left me disgusted. This post was edited by doobie on Oct 02 2003 07:26pm. |
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doobie - Jedi Council 
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Ok, I'm giving free license to say whatever you want in this thread without it being censored... _______________ -Academy Leader/Dictator/Defeater of DJ Sith and JACen Solo in the JAK+ Tournament -I do think it (the JA) will help convert dozens, maybe hundreds, to the dork nation... --me |
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Muad'dib - Student 
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Hey, cool, no censorship! Fuck fuckity fuck fuck fuck! W00! Lookit me! I'm a wrench-toting maniac!!!  Oh and regarding Iraqs governmental situation: There are soo many variables to take into account I think it should have just been left to work itself out. One day Saddam would die and then the country would erupt in violence and then *poof* new regime. And that's how it is there; it's not a new government, it's a new regime. A new dictator would take over and start oppressing a different group of people and life would go on. Unfortunately George W. decided he wanted to finish what daddy couldn't by getting america into this war through half-truths and flat out lies, with no small help from the mainstream media. For example: He claimed that Saddam Hussein helped fund and arm islamic extremist terrorist organizations. Actually his regime was about as far from that as possible; he spent quite alot of his time in power stamping out as many Islamic extremist groups in Iraq as he could. Hell, the man wrote romance novels! That's not something the Fundamentalist Islamic groups look favorably upon! So, in conclusion: I think I'm way off topic, but it's ok, cause we're NOT FUCKING CENSORED MOTHER FUCKER!!! God I love no censorship.  _______________ "It's because I love you. No. It's because I love you" Oh, Anakin, you're eloquence is second to none. I AM THE OPIATE OF THE MASSES! This comment was edited by Muad'dib on Oct 10 2003 11:43am. |
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Rainer - Student |
sickening... don't know what to say... _______________ The Jedi formally known as Ranja. ---------------------- "I can list among my experience and skills: leadership, extensive travel, logistical organization, intimate understanding of firearms, and a knowledge of security measures at numerous banks." - Jesse James |
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MINDofSIN - Student 
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Point stands.  _______________ Jedi Academy Holocron http://jaholocron.ryanmh.com/ Why should our government send our soldiers to foreign soil to protect freedom of speech, when our freedom of speech is being taking away everyday by the same government. This comment was edited by MINDofSIN on Oct 10 2003 05:23am. |
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EAF_fencer3 - Student 
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lol, the government hasn't really been formed yet  _______________ |"Evacuate? In our moment of Triumph? I think you overestimate their chances."|"hurray broccoli!" -Tarpman| |Godson to Carve|Ward of Flamori|Brother to Gunrow| |
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MINDofSIN - Student
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"If you ask me, MoS, Iraq is not a "perfect example" of your point. Sure they'd rather our troops left and let them start ruling themselves, but to say that everything was just dandy with the Husseins is incredibly naive." I was referring to how the government was formed. Remember the...Shites I think(the Sunis are the others?)...who were protesting because they weren't let in on the meetings and such? America didn't want that kind of government in Iraq because it was too different from Americas government. They didn't care what the Iraqis wanted. _______________ Jedi Academy Holocron http://jaholocron.ryanmh.com/ Why should our government send our soldiers to foreign soil to protect freedom of speech, when our freedom of speech is being taking away everyday by the same government. |
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EAF_fencer3 - Student
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If you ask me, MoS, Iraq is not a "perfect example" of your point. Sure they'd rather our troops left and let them start ruling themselves, but to say that everything was just dandy with the Husseins is incredibly naive. _______________ |"Evacuate? In our moment of Triumph? I think you overestimate their chances."|"hurray broccoli!" -Tarpman| |Godson to Carve|Ward of Flamori|Brother to Gunrow| |
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Menaxia - Student 
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I'm sticking with you Mind of sin. Ignorance breeds fear and Hatered. By the way Buzz - J'Had does not mean 'holy war'. It means LITTERALY 'pleasing God'. It again depends on how the fallable Humans interpret that. _______________ This is not the place to look for me |
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MINDofSIN - Student 
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Ash, I didn't mean it like that. I was just saying their culture is different, and not all of them are crying out to be 'saved' by the West. A perfect example of this is how the government in Iraq was formed. However, you do have a point. Osama Bin Laden HAS stated(I think he listed it as the #2 reason) that the terrorist attacks were because the west was morally corrupt. If you try to look at it from his viewpoint, which is very hard, then you can easily see how he could draw such a conclusion. Bill Gates has an obscene amount of money, and people in the Middle East are starving. Is that right? Of course not. How hard would it be to keep a couple hundred million dollars and give the rest away? It doesn't mean much to you or me, and I'm not saying it's right, but that's how it is to those people. I don't think it needs to be said that I don't believe killing innocent people is a way to solve anything, so I in no way support terrorism. To end this with a Bad Religion quote "I don't need to be a global citizen, because I'm blessed by nationality" _______________ Jedi Academy Holocron http://jaholocron.ryanmh.com/ Why should our government send our soldiers to foreign soil to protect freedom of speech, when our freedom of speech is being taking away everyday by the same government. |
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Sared - Retired 
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"The Old Bailey heard Kurdish Abdalla Yones, 48, murdered Heshu on 12 October 2002 because he feared she was becoming westernised." Even I could come up with a better excuse than that. Next thing you know, someone will declare a jihad because of a 1500 year-old grudge. (Hey, it DOES happen!) _______________ I'm crazy, not stupid. |
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EAF_fencer3 - Student
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I really don't think this is the time or place for one of my conservative rants. Although I would love to teach you Bush-haters a lesson in reality, that will have to wait until a later date. Now, back on topic... Bubu, that's a good point, and in this case, you may be right. However, there are radicals out there... It's plain enough that this is absolutely disgusting. Before I say anything, I want to point out that I am NOT making any assumptions about the Muslim religion as a whole, and that I know many who are very respectable people. In fact, all of the Muslims I know are good people. However, whether or not the religion itself promotes war, which I do not wish to become involved in, it must be noted that the religion has a long history of aggression. The religion itself was founded through war. Besides that, you don't see Quakers running into movie theaters and taking scores of people captive, holding them for a few hours, and then executing them all. We hear about events like this almost every day from the Muslim world. Certainly not all Muslims are like this, but we see many who very clearly state that they hate Jews, Christians, anybody but themselves. Although I can't bring myself to really insult their religion, something is terribly wrong... Edit: on the history-of-religion note, I will also point out that although Muhammad did not force conquered peoples to practice Islam, I believe that there was some sort of tax imposed on those who refused to convert. _______________ |"Evacuate? In our moment of Triumph? I think you overestimate their chances."|"hurray broccoli!" -Tarpman| |Godson to Carve|Ward of Flamori|Brother to Gunrow| This comment was edited by EAF_fencer3 on Oct 08 2003 03:15am. |
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Ash - Eats Babies 
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"To a lot of Muslims, the West is morally corrupt. They look at things like drug use, homosexual marriage, etc. and say to themselves "We don't want that"" so they blame things that can be found all through out history and in all cultures on western civilization and declare a jihad on us. they certainly put alot of thought into that one. oh and i like the Bad Religion pic MoS _______________ "We keep odd hours...." ----------------------- They Live, We Sleep This comment was edited by Ash on Oct 08 2003 01:11am. |
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MINDofSIN - Student
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"So fucking typical of Muslims... bar a few civil ones, the majority are savage, and have no place in western society, when they try to polute our culture with their own." I'd go as far as to say that WE are imposing OUR beliefs onto THEM. Iraq anyone? To a lot of Muslims, the West is morally corrupt. They look at things like drug use, homosexual marriage, etc. and say to themselves "We don't want that". _______________ Jedi Academy Holocron http://jaholocron.ryanmh.com/ Why should our government send our soldiers to foreign soil to protect freedom of speech, when our freedom of speech is being taking away everyday by the same government. |
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Bubu - Hubbub 
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I don't think I have to add how horrible this is since most people here already mentioned that point. What I do want to add, however, is that before you go criticizing this man's religion, first think about the man himself. The religion in itself is not a bad thing, it's how you interpret it. And the way you interpret it depends on people, human beings. This particular human being was a "bad" one to begin with. I mean, simply look at how he handled the consequences of his actions. Like a little child, first he denied it and made up stories, then he confessed but made up excuses, then finally he tried to take the easy way out and tried to kill himself. This should give you an insight into what kind of a man he was. The fact that he was muslim could be a coincidence for all we know. I mean, if you read the article, it says that these "honor killings" happen in christian families too. But that is only a side-note because we know how the media likes to brainwash us. So what I am saying is: leave religion out of this and analyze the people involved first. _______________ make install -not war |
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VirusD - Student 
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1) sick father 2) no offence usa people but ur leader bush is dumb like a monkey.His really a moron who spends ur cash on war , think about it lol _______________ '** I hated going to weddings. All the grandmas would poke me saying "You're next". They stopped that when I started doing it to them at funerals.**' '**On going to war over religion: "You're basically killing each other to see who's got the better imaginary friend.**" '**I Dont Lie! I Just Bend And Illustrate The Truth A Little**' - By me when talking to a friend. |
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Jello` - Student 
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Of course hes going to use the oil fields... Iraq without a governemnt is going to if he dosn't? Right. Anyway, back on topic _______________ Brady Brothers: Orion-Greg, Furi0us-Peter, Me-Bobby. Long lost cousin to Flash. Midbie Council #007. Ex-JAK. |
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Darth Samounoske - Ex-Student 
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lol thats bull shit man lol bush has a contract so that when this "war" is over he can fix the oil feilds in iraq and use it for profit in the united states and theres so many other things. weve probably made the eastern culture even angrier [sorry for bad english] but like i said lets not strae from the topic im sorry i brought it up _______________ good luck to you in training, cause uh lets face it im the best hahahahahahahahahahha sigh i wish |
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Jello` - Student
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Bush isnt killing people for oil, hes doing it to free the Iraqis from Saddams reighn and to 'find' Weapons of Mass Destruction. Note: "find" _______________ Brady Brothers: Orion-Greg, Furi0us-Peter, Me-Bobby. Long lost cousin to Flash. Midbie Council #007. Ex-JAK. |
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Darth Samounoske - Ex-Student
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well its not muslims, its the person. people who do things like this and say that god told them to do that is pretty fucked up man and if he was a ture muslim he wouldnt have killed anyone like if bush was a true christin he wouldnt be killing people so that he can get oil...... sorry im not trying to turn this political but ya like i said that person had to be fucked up anyways to do something like that its not his religion.. You should also respect people for who they are not discreminate them i mean we were all immagrints when we came over so dont say that those people dont have a right to "pollute" as much as we do. their just trying to live thier lives let them live thiers. but also i mean just think about what the christians did in the past. they killed children in the name of god and that truely disgusts me because i am a christian and people like that are not christians theyre murderers. and yes they did those things in the past but think about what i just stated _______________ good luck to you in training, cause uh lets face it im the best hahahahahahahahahahha sigh i wish This comment was edited by Darth Samounoske on Oct 06 2003 02:07am. |
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Short and sweet right here. All i'll say is that religion, culture, or anything like that, is NOT an excuse for a blatant, savage murder. Of all things, honor? Give me a break. So fucking typical of Muslims... bar a few civil ones, the majority are savage, and have no place in western society, when they try to polute our culture with their own. |
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Hector Thrawn - Ex-Student 
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ok, from my limited readings in koran (the holy muslim book) and from a several classes i have learned some intersting things about how their society is technically supposed to work. origianlly any one other than chritian or jews who did not immediatly convert were to be killed. moreover, anyone who attempts to convert a muslim to any other religion is to be killed, and if anyone succedes both the convert and the converter are to be killed. if this guy takes his religious book seriously to him killing his daughter saved her soul and (although im not sure about this) scored him some points in the afterlife as well. here is the shocking part: is this sick? that depends on how important freedom of religion is. and how important in ones personal and social life one holds religion. and how litteraly one believes religious texts should be taken. for example, in the bible there is a passage that says if your eye causes you to sin cut it ouy because it is better to go to heaven without an eye than to have two eyes and burn in hell for eternit. if everyone took that litteraly christians around the world would be tearing their eyes, arms, etc. to peices. this would have obvious negative side effects especially for airplane pilots, athleats, construction workers etc. and how could one hang out with the buddies when they look like a walking cornpicker injury? but what about the ten commandments, or the "golden rule?" or the 4 pilars of islam? if we "interperate" those much of the good things that religion brings us will be lost. unfortunaly the only solution i can see is to limit, drastically, the number of tolerated religions. but this has countless problems of its own. final though: i detest such killing and people like the man in this article sicken me. although i will admit that it makes me regret being a human as it means i too may be capable of such horrible acts, i also try to hold onto the hope that if we are both human, maybe people like him can learn not to epress their belifes through violence. lastly, we must be rational hopefully this little unorganized and off-the-cuff post has given some of the more easily provoked members time to cool down and think (nothing is solved through hissing and spiting, just ask my cat) and the rest of you i hope it fuled the flame of thought. |
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Buzz - Student 
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MoS: They believe in Jihad which is a holy war. So while most of the time they are peaceful they still have that little part of their religion that is violent. So while you can say they're very peaceful you need an asterix next to that. I think that is why a big part of muslim terrorist cells. They believe they are fighting a holy war. And you know this talk of honor killing isn't really a shining achievement for them either. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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Zoro Kakashi - Ex-Student 
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what kinda religion and culture is that? _______________ "When did Noah built the Arc, before the rain, before the rain." |
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Orion - Retired 
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hmmm i really cant put into words my feelings about this matter. But all I can really put into words is my disgust for organized religon, don't mean to offend anyone. To kill your own daughter because she "brings shame on your family" complete and utter bullshit, want a simple way to get rid of a "shameful" family member? Don't talk to them anymore, or disown them, Don't kill people. I've read this post many times before posting... Just dont know what to say...I'm just disgusted with what people can do. _______________ When a Man lies he murder's some part of the world. These are the pale deaths which men misscall there lives. All this I cannot bear to witness any longer. Cannot the kingdom of salvation take me home? -Cliff Burton Owner of Smily's 1900th comment | <Lady_Catherine> i love your sexy white socks! | (Lady_Catherine) i adore u! | (Lady_Catherine) onion (Lady_Catherine) i lub u |
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MINDofSIN - Student
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"and Islam is not as peace loving as it seems." Buzz, back that up with facts. _______________ Jedi Academy Holocron http://jaholocron.ryanmh.com/ Why should our government send our soldiers to foreign soil to protect freedom of speech, when our freedom of speech is being taking away everyday by the same government. |
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Smilykrazy - Retired 
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LOL sounds like my dad!! *runs* He is very hateful!!! Its so sad what people can do.  _______________ RIP MOM 06/29/58-07/31/08 Married to Koyi Donita 4/30/11 This comment was edited by Smilykrazy on Oct 05 2003 01:53am. |
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