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Plain and simple, I want your opinions on the following things. Please give me reasons behind your beliefs. I may or may not post my standings on the matter. I just recently resigned from such a topic on another forum because it was taking up too much of my time writing replies. I've just grown curious about how the people of the Academy view Jesus, especially after seeing MINDofSIN's profile pic. Your beliefs regarding him. - Are you a Christian? If so, why? Oh and if your an agnostic, I would rather this conversation stray away from a long debate on whether or not the truth on the matter is knowable. For this topic the term Christian should be applied to someone who has accepted Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior, and who has committed their life to Him. Who was He? - This includes who do you think He thought He was. If you state that He thought Himself to be a prophet, give me reasons. If you state He thought himself to be God, again, give me reasons. If you state he never existed, you best present evidence on the matter because that is easily refuted. What of his Resurrection? - The most important story of Christianity, without this Christian Faith is in vain. Refute it or Defend it. Please make sure you are actually refuting it or defending it, and that you are not just making empty comments. I do not want an analysis of Christianity or religions in general. I do however want an analysis of Jesus Christ Himself, be Him man or God. I've said this before, and I'm going to say it again, do not make empty comments. Oh yeah, and be civil. The last thing I want is a flame war between believers and non-believers. _______________ The Jedi formally known as Ranja. ---------------------- "I can list among my experience and skills: leadership, extensive travel, logistical organization, intimate understanding of firearms, and a knowledge of security measures at numerous banks." - Jesse James This post was edited by Rainer on Oct 10 2003 05:12pm. |
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Katan - Student 
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I've been having fun watching this thread  <---- Jewish btw _______________ |
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Ulic |retired| - Student 
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Courage is in us all, even in you  By the way it is not merely having courage, it also requires you to have virtually no life. _______________ Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam This comment was edited by Ulic |retired| on Jan 29 2004 03:50pm. |
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_cmad_ - Ex-Student 
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omg loooooooooooooooooooooooong posts... Where do you find the courage to write that much??? /me hides his long post  _______________ Your friends of today, are your enemies of tomorrow. |
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JamesF1 - Student 
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Hmmm, well don't _______________ Website |
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Bail Hope of Belouve - Student 
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I say that all the time _______________ Visit the Belouve Family Website! Quote: I try to have fun with my friends and try to make a difference as best I can. What does making a difference mean? Well, it can be as simple as saying hello, answering a question that seems obvious or heck, just talking. -- Vladarion
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Lian Del Rey - Student 
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Oh, the first one confused me, because I just thought you were using his name in vain. (Like, "oh Jesus Christ!" _______________ slorp |
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Ulic |retired| - Student 
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I'm reading a very interesting book called Bloodline of the Holy Grail, by Laurence Gardner. I'm not an expert and the author's authority on this might be a bit dubious but i'm intrigued nonetheless and think a lot of the things he writes are true. Evidence....well ask me for an example of one of his theories and i'll tell you what he writes The book is about the holy grail, which is a bloodline rather than a cup. It's the line of Jesus, royal blood that has produced kings like Arthur, Charlemagne, Constantine the Great, the Stewarts etc. The book is based upon a very plausible theory that Jesus and Maria Magdalena were married and had children. Thus, the Davidic Messianic line was continued, also in the line of Jesus' brother James, Joseph of Arimethea who went with Mary Magdalene to Gaul and later to England were he founded the Glastonbury Cathedral. _______________ Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam This comment was edited by Ulic |retired| on Jan 28 2004 05:10pm. |
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JamesF1 - Student
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Hey, tell me where in the bible it says you have to go to church every week? _______________ Website |
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ExiLe - Ex-Student 
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yeah im a christian alright, just not a very holy-go-to-church-alot one. i believe in Jesus and all, and that he was the son of GOd considering the whole story behind it. The whole resurection thing? he died for US since he loved us like God did. easy as that! 0 (they dont have an angle face :mad _______________ Padawan of Silkmonkey!! SILKY ROCKS!!!Proud Member of the {FOA} -a.k.a SeSShoMaRu |
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_cmad_ - Ex-Student 
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w00t I guess I scared this ShadowStar folk outta the thread  _______________ Your friends of today, are your enemies of tomorrow. |
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Bail Hope of Belouve - Student
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All there is of proof is either destroyed, or forbidden by the vatican Take the fifth (I think) evangelion (spelling?) for example it exists... but the Vatican won't allow it since it probably contains the truth about what happened the church calls is blasphemy! Evidence? I'd like to think so! and a proven example: In the Middle-Ages the church was so bloody corrupt that a second religion, the protestants, were formed. You're not gonna tell me that, while the church was corrupt, and only the priests were smart enough to read the bible, so why not alter something that would work for their own good of course they did... You're not planning on telling me that everything that is now in the bible, was also there before the middle-ages? There were things added and deleted no doubt... But then, this is only my opinion... _______________ Visit the Belouve Family Website! Quote: I try to have fun with my friends and try to make a difference as best I can. What does making a difference mean? Well, it can be as simple as saying hello, answering a question that seems obvious or heck, just talking. -- Vladarion
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Rainer - Student |
Gospel of Thomas - http://www.misericordia.edu/users/davies/thomas/Trans.htm Ulic, you keep claiming that the story about Jesus was altered. I'd be interested in the proof you have of this. _______________ The Jedi formally known as Ranja. ---------------------- "I can list among my experience and skills: leadership, extensive travel, logistical organization, intimate understanding of firearms, and a knowledge of security measures at numerous banks." - Jesse James |
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JamesF1 - Student 
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Hehe _______________ Website |
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Ulic |retired| - Student
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thank you /me bows _______________ Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam |
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JamesF1 - Student
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Well said Ulic *claps* _______________ Website |
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Ulic |retired| - Student
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If Star Wars was the only thing we'd talk about I would have left long ago. The fascinating of being able to speak to people from all over the world is being to speak to people all over the world And there are more things in this world than starwars. _______________ Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam |
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JamesF1 - Student
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Well said cmad *claps* _______________ Website |
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_cmad_ - Ex-Student
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This is General Discussion FYI. If you don't like this thread just don't visit it...... _______________ Your friends of today, are your enemies of tomorrow. |
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Drathir - Student 
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Comon ppl.. This is a star wars site. Not a church ok!? If u want to talk about this plz do it over email or irc!  _______________ Where we ask the question, "Is real life really stranger than fiction, or is fiction about real life being stranger than fiction stranger than real life being stranger than fiction?" Ow. -Paradox Lost Want to read my slowly in progress webcomic? -TCTI |
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JamesF1 - Student
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Paul did change Christianity, and how Chrisitanity was viewed. Unfortunately, since Paul - the typical 'view' has changed. Christians are shown to be 'goody-goodys' and almost like arrogant snobs. Now yes, there are some people like that, but I most certainly am not. And as I said before, I make mistakes - who doesn't. _______________ Website |
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Ulic |retired| - Student
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Paul did change early christianity, a lot. What do you think of the papal tradition and don't you find it very sad that there were so many popes who oppressed the people and enriched themselves and murdered where they could? _______________ Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam |
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VirusD - Student 
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well i aint going to spend a lot of time writing what i think. Short There is no god. god is made up for the weak _______________ '** I hated going to weddings. All the grandmas would poke me saying "You're next". They stopped that when I started doing it to them at funerals.**' '**On going to war over religion: "You're basically killing each other to see who's got the better imaginary friend.**" '**I Dont Lie! I Just Bend And Illustrate The Truth A Little**' - By me when talking to a friend. |
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Edited: Right, I'm a Christian (Pentecostal). And I am a Christian because I wholly believe what the Bible says. Down to the last letter. Why? Because I have had personal experiences of its truth, and personal experiences of healing, and God, etc. In fact, I used to be deaf - totally deaf - and God healed me. Make of that what you wish Please, don't get me wrong - I'm not a stuck up arrogant little idiot (although I'm sure some of you think that), but I rather value everyone, whether they like me or not. Being a Christian isn't easy, and I find that I lose my step regularly, as some of you will know - I get angry, annoyed, et al, just like everyone else. I am far from perfect. But I believe, that by Jesus' resurection, I can be made free from my sin (that doesn't mean I don't sin - as I said above ). I don't believe in judging or condemming anyone - that, in my opinion, is up to God. What you do with your life is between you and God.I'll make future posts here as required Or as I think of more to say _______________ Website This comment was edited by JamesF1 on Jan 23 2004 06:41pm. |
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Orion - Retired 
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Doesnt everyone know that Jesus was a ninja? and will always be a ninja. Disclamer: Mean no offence just trying ot bring some humor to it. _______________ When a Man lies he murder's some part of the world. These are the pale deaths which men misscall there lives. All this I cannot bear to witness any longer. Cannot the kingdom of salvation take me home? -Cliff Burton Owner of Smily's 1900th comment | <Lady_Catherine> i love your sexy white socks! | (Lady_Catherine) i adore u! | (Lady_Catherine) onion (Lady_Catherine) i lub u This comment was edited by Orion on Jan 23 2004 06:37pm. |
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Koyi Donita - Student 
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I too believed that, but it is not Biblical at all. You see, when I was a youth I grew up going to a Catholic Bible study class I believe at a very young age, went to church a hand full of times, but I rebelled once I was old enough to start asking questions that no one could give me strong answers too. I started thinking about things on a worldly scale and I told myself Christians are wrong for believing the whole worlds going to hell because they don't follow their God when they all have God's of their own. I was so upset with that. But later in my life, I started asking more questions after praying to God about a few things and seeing results I was not expecting. I wondered, "Why did they refer to the Bible as being the Word Of God when it was obviously written by mankind?" That too was one of my questions that made me boil but it changed. My anger turned into curiousity and I started wondering just what did the Bible have to say about everything. So I went out shortly after attending a church and bought for myself a Bible and soon after that, I found a radio station that had Bible reading programs, Bible Study programs, and even a live open forum where questions could be discussed on the station. Well, my knowledge of the Bible started growing at a very fast pace, most if not all of my questions about things were answered, and I learned very sad truths but they are truths from my Bibically base beliefs anyway. From what I have heard, and I am very ignorant to this for I have not studied other religions, other religions have no payment for sin. When mankind does something wrong, most if not all who have not had their senses dulled for whatever reason feel bad or have some sense of remorse after doing something wrong. That fits very well with what the Bible teaches. As far as the churches go, there is a whole list of things that most if not all churches do that they shouldn't. The Bible shows us God's long suffering, but as with the nation of Israel His patience runs out. And with Paul and His zeal, yes he was converted by Christ's spirit as are all true christians and that is why a great deal of them suffered and died for what they believed in. He didn't change the religion. He brought light to the old testament by the power of God. All the old practices of the old were signs pointing to the things of the new testament. Christ was the fulfillment of all of the old ceramonies and pratices that never truely paid for their sins. The old testament even tells them that those things didn't but they believed they did and thus didn't truely believe in God. His Word must be followed very carefully with His spirit showing us exactely what He is say. The Bible is just a book without His Spirit opening our spiritual eye and ears so that we can actually see and hear The Word of God. _______________ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17 I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her. ...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down.
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