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Plain and simple, I want your opinions on the following things. Please give me reasons behind your beliefs. I may or may not post my standings on the matter. I just recently resigned from such a topic on another forum because it was taking up too much of my time writing replies. I've just grown curious about how the people of the Academy view Jesus, especially after seeing MINDofSIN's profile pic. Your beliefs regarding him. - Are you a Christian? If so, why? Oh and if your an agnostic, I would rather this conversation stray away from a long debate on whether or not the truth on the matter is knowable. For this topic the term Christian should be applied to someone who has accepted Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior, and who has committed their life to Him. Who was He? - This includes who do you think He thought He was. If you state that He thought Himself to be a prophet, give me reasons. If you state He thought himself to be God, again, give me reasons. If you state he never existed, you best present evidence on the matter because that is easily refuted. What of his Resurrection? - The most important story of Christianity, without this Christian Faith is in vain. Refute it or Defend it. Please make sure you are actually refuting it or defending it, and that you are not just making empty comments. I do not want an analysis of Christianity or religions in general. I do however want an analysis of Jesus Christ Himself, be Him man or God. I've said this before, and I'm going to say it again, do not make empty comments. Oh yeah, and be civil. The last thing I want is a flame war between believers and non-believers. _______________ The Jedi formally known as Ranja. ---------------------- "I can list among my experience and skills: leadership, extensive travel, logistical organization, intimate understanding of firearms, and a knowledge of security measures at numerous banks." - Jesse James This post was edited by Rainer on Oct 10 2003 05:12pm. |
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Orion - Retired 
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uhh I oppose... *runs* _______________ When a Man lies he murder's some part of the world. These are the pale deaths which men misscall there lives. All this I cannot bear to witness any longer. Cannot the kingdom of salvation take me home? -Cliff Burton Owner of Smily's 1900th comment | <Lady_Catherine> i love your sexy white socks! | (Lady_Catherine) i adore u! | (Lady_Catherine) onion (Lady_Catherine) i lub u |
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Sared - Retired 
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/me pokes c1..... I oppose.  _______________ I'm crazy, not stupid. |
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Uncool C1.  I oppose. lol |
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I believe I am the second coming, does anyone oppose? _______________ Get busy living, or get busy dying. |
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hmmm well to get down into it, religion is really based on the past... realize what the fundamentals of the religion is, you know some history.. _______________ When you are told something for years, you learn to accept it. But, after the truth is revealed, you feel conufusion, isolation, and depression. Then you ask, where do I belong? I'm searching for that answer. |
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Sared - Retired
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I know that I have not kept up with the list of foriegn or pagan practices that Christianity may have adopted, but to be frank with you, that not really the point in case here. _______________ I'm crazy, not stupid. |
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Bandit - Student 
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Hey Koyi. I will dig up some information and sources on some Christian practices that were adopted from other cultures/religions for you this weekend. It will take a little time, so I'll have to wait until the weekend.  _______________ Part-Time Player (Weekend Warrior). Recipient of the prestigious "Longest-Post-Ever Award" (bestowed on me by Flash on March 23rd, 2004) |
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Sared - Retired
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SaberWeildinKow: I understand that you may have learned mutch, but seing it put into practice in practical everyday life is something else. Also, and I mean this in the best of contextes, I have observed that Mormon kids are usaully a lot more obedient and well-versed in religion that your everyday teenager. Know what I mean?  As far as as your comment about kids knowing more than adults....well....thats another debate for a different time. LOL @ the 70% figure there Jacen. I can totally understand that. I grew up under tha same kind of influenceOnly sixteen MoS? Don't worry, I have seen worse. I can understand (and have witnessed first-hand) how you can see a lot of crap in sixten years of life, but let me tell you, the hard part is almost over. It is proven that teenagers are the most unstable emotionally, so it is natural that you would want to find steady ground in whatever you have looked into in the past. I would only ask of you the same thing I asked of Jacen; wait a little while. Let life happen, stay optimistic and try to find the good in a bad situation. You'll turn out alright in the end mate, I know you will. _______________ I'm crazy, not stupid. |
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Koyi Donita - Student 
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Jacen Aratan. *Koyi bows* I just want to say before I begin with a earlier question that you posted that I am filled with such joy to see so many athiest's posting here and not in a vulgar way. Okay, now you ask a question about whether or not one believes God is the God of everything. I believe this question was posted for Moby, but incase you were interested on my view I would be glad to share it. I don't know if you've been reading everything all along, but I would like to point out that in the past I have posted great scripture answering this question. In the book of John in the 1st chapter you can read how all things were created by God for God. Also the book of Genesis is very clear that God created the Heavens, (plural), and the Earth. It should be the stand point from all that seek the God of the Bible that God is indead the God of everything. As we read in John 1:3 : 3) All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. _______________ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17 I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her. ...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down.
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Koyi Donita - Student 
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DJ Sith. I didn't mean to leave your question hanging, but my energies were distracted at the time. You asked a question about perhaps an upcoming movie by the name of The Passion? I myself have never seen nor heard anything about this movie whether it be an upcoming or already released picture. As far as my view of it, I don't really like movies, pictures, statues, or anything based on God or anything that could be worshipped. Not that people would actually worshipped the print of the movie, the screen on which it is played, or the DVD/video cassette that contains it. I just feel that if people truely want to get to know Jesus, they should go straight to the true and trustworthy source, namely the Bible. A movie, as movies and tv series in the passed, can add and take away from the accurate accounts found in God's Word. God warns about this in the final verses of the book of Revelation and also about creating graven images. I really feel uneasy about these types of things and I am quick to point out what is contrary to the Word of God so I tend to try to avoid such things. Just my view on it. Hope this answers your question from my stand point. _______________ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17 I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her. ...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down.
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Koyi Donita - Student
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I would like to dedicate this post to SaberWeildinKow and to everyone else wrapped up in the debate whether or not younger people should have a say in what they believe. To S.W.K., from an earlier post about Catholics and their beliefs on babies. To everyone else because it is relevant. *Koyi smiles a warm smile and waves to all* Hello everyone. This earlier post of S.W.K. was a bit of a shocker. I didn't really know if I should touch it or leave it alone being that it is a painful subject to find scripture on, but in this type of forum where we are searching out Christ, I don't see how it could hurt for God to reveal his nature on the subject being that He is God. I took some time in this study and I hope it answers S.W.K.'s question about babies and their salvation. I am currently searching the scriptures to find more that relate towards God's wonderful salvation plan. Now I was brought up with my mother being Catholic, but I never learned their beliefs nor to I believe in them today. I my friends believe in the Bible. *Koyi opens his Bible and says a small pray* O Lord, hear my cry! O how my soul longs for you. Not that I'm worthy of such a wonderful gift, but why destroy me God? How could I praise your awesome name if I am to be destroyed in the lake of fire? Please have mercy on me! I can't stand the fact that I sin. I wish it were in my own power to change myself, even to pay for my betrail against you but I am broke. Your the only one who can pay for my sins O Lord. Please save me from my stupidity, wash away my sins, and restore my soul for Your name's sake. I will except my fate if I am to burn for my debts if it brings glory unto Your awesome name, but I'm terrified of Your wrath. You spoke and brought everything that we know into being, how horrible it would be to be punished by You eternally. Please have mercy on me so that I may love You and You me. Please let me be Your child. Please bless those who read Your mighty Word, both believer and non-believer alike. Lead us and teach us so that we may bring glory and honor to Your name. *Koyi wipes his tears from his eyes as he begins to read* I am just going to post what I feel are the highlighted verses that focus on this topic, but I encourage all to read the full chapter to get a feel of the context of what I am reading. In Romans 3:3-4 we read: 3) For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect? 4) God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, THAT THOU MIGHTEST BE JUSTIFIED IN THY SAYINGS, AND MIGHTEST OVERCOME WHEN THOU ART JUDGED. In Jeremiah 20:8 we read: 8) For since I spake, I cried out, I cried violence and spoil; because the word of the LORD was made a reproach unto me, and a derision, daily. Young age and speaking in view here. Let's read on. In Psalm 22:9-10,23,25,and 29 we read: 9) But thou art he that took me out of the womb: thou didst make me hope when I was upon my mother's breasts. 10) I was cast upon thee from the womb: thou art my God from my mother's belly. 23) Ye that fear the LORD, praise him; all ye the seed of Jacob, glorify him; and fear him, all ye the seed of Israel. 25) My praise shall be of thee in the great congregation: I will pay my vows before them that fear him. 29) All they that be fat upon earth shall eat and worship: all they that go down to the dust shall bow before him: and none can keep alive his own soul. In Psalm 139:13,16,and 19 we read: 13) For thou hast formed my inward parts: thou hast weaved me in my mother's womb. 16) Thine eyes did see my substance, yet being unformed; and in thy book all my members were written, the days fashioned for me, when as yet there was none of them. 19) Surely thou wilt slay the wicked, O God: depart from me therefore, ye bloodthirsty men. In Isaiah 44:2 we read: 2) Thus saith the LORD that made thee, and formed thee from the womb, which will help thee; Fear not, O Jacob, my servant; and thou, Jesurun, whom I have chosen. In Isaiah 48:1,8 and 10 we read: 1) Hear ye this, O house of Jacob, which are called by the name of Israel, and are come forth out of the waters of Judah, which swear by the name of the LORD, and make mention of the God of Israel, but not in truth, nor in righteousness. 8) Yea, thou heardest not; yea, thou knewest not; yea, from that time that thine ear was not opened: for I knew that thou wouldest deal very treacherously, and wast called a transgressor from the womb. 10) Behold, I have refined thee, but not as silver; I have tested thee in the furnace of affliction. In Isaiah 49:1 and 5 we read: 1) Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The LORD hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name. 5) And now, saith the LORD that formed me from the womb to be his servant, to bring Jacob again to him. Though Israel be not gathered, yet shall I be glorious in the eyes of the LORD, and my God shall be my strength. In Genesis 25:23-26 we read: 23) And the LORD said unto her, Two nations are in thy womb, and two manner of people shall be separated from thy bowels; and the one people shall be stronger then the other people; and the elder shall serve the younger. 24) And when her days to be delivered were fulfilled, behold, there were twins in her womb. 25) And the first came out red, all over like a hairy garment; and they called his name Esau. 26) And after that came his brother out, and his hand took hold on Esau's heel; and his name was called Jacob: and Isaac was threescore years old when she bare them. In Malachi 1:1-3 we read: 1) The burden of the word of the LORD to Israel by Malachi. 2) I have loved you, saith the LORD. Yet ye say, Wherein hast thou loved us? Was not Esau Jacob's brother? saith the LORD: yet I loved Jacob. 3) And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness. In Romans 9:6-8,11-15,19-23 we read: 6) Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel. 7) Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, IN ISAAC SHALL THY SEED BE CALLED. 8) That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God; but the children of the promise are counted for the seed. 11) (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth 12) It was said unto her, THE ELDER SHALL SERVE THE YOUNGER. 13) As it is written, JACOB HAVE I LOVED, BUT ESAU HAVE I HATED. 14) What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid. 15) For he saith to Moses, I WILL HAVE MERCY ON WHOM I WILL HAVE MERCY, AND I WILL HAVE COMPASSION ON WHOM I WILL HAVE COMPASSION. 19) Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will? 20) Nay but, O man, who are thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? 21) Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honor, and another unto dishonor? 22) What if God, willing to show his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: 23) And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory, In Exodus 33:19 we read: 19) And he said, I will make all my goodness pass before thee, and I will proclaim the name of the LORD before thee; and will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will show mercy on whom I will show mercy. *Koyi closes his Bible and sighs a great sigh* Let these scriptures reinforce what I have posted earlier, answer S.W.K.'s questions about a baby's salvation, and bring light to the arguement of how old one needs to be to post here. If it is God's will, one can be saved from before birth as shown in Jeremiah so one with God's Holy Spirit should be able to shed a great amount of light to this topic. As shown in Romans, one can be created unto destruction and thus may never be saved, baptism by water or not. May God add his blessing to the reading of His Word. Amen. _______________ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17 I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her. ...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down.
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Ulic |retired| - Student 
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Thank you Bandit for explaining Yes, Christianity has taken over a great deal from the Mithras cult, a Persian cult that became very popular among Roman soldiers in the 3rd century, it was then bigger than christianity and reached every corner of the Roman Empire. But Christianity resembles many more religions. If you get really in to it, you will find that all great world religions are based on the same ideas. Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Budhism and even ancient Egyptian and Aztek religions have the same roots. Religious fanatics must consider this. Now the comments on this thread are to huge to read, I better get out of this. I think the last thread we had with these enormous comments was the Iraq thread. Politics and Religion.... _______________ Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam |
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Jacen Aratan - Student |
GJ, Sared, now I can spend several days wondering what will happen to me in the future, after your little horror-story....  Nah, j/k, of course, that was a sweet post, man. I only asked because I like a good discussion, but I sure as hell don't wanna offend anyone.I'm not old enough to say, conclusively, "Jesus sucks" (which I'm still not saying ). But I CAN say that from what I've observed so far (talking generally, the World), I haven't seen anything which could convince me otherwise.Perhaps it is partly due to my upbringing, as 70% of the Danes I'm born and raised atheist, so I can't deny that as a possible reason. |
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You can see everyones older profile pics? Coooool. Like Ash said, politics and religion can usually bring up strong emotions. I realize this, and nothing that goes on here has changed my opinions of anyone. Sared, thanks for being understanding in your post. It was very considerate and well thought out. To a point, I agree that the more life experience you have, the stronger your beliefs may be. I'm only 16, not much older than Aratan. In an earlier post, I stated I'm not really sure about what I believe in, partly due to a lack of experiences. I kinda like a good debate( ) so I figured I might point out that if younger people can say Jesus owns, they should also be able to say Jesus sucks. I was using the confirmation as an example, saying that if young kids can accept Jesus, can't teenagers like Aratan and I disbelieve/reject/whatever?So...we should be able to state our opinions, but everyone should know that we are basing them on less than most people. _______________ Jedi Academy Holocron http://jaholocron.ryanmh.com/ Why should our government send our soldiers to foreign soil to protect freedom of speech, when our freedom of speech is being taking away everyday by the same government. |
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One quick comment. I am fourteen. I have gained a lot of knowledge of the truthfullness of the Gospel in the last 4 years. I would argue that many children know more than adults. |
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Sared - Retired
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Let me correct myself. JA (mad props to ya ) mentioned his reasons for being an atheist after accumulating, what, 14 years of knowledge? Now please understand, I am not trying to be harsh. No you didn't say anything degrading JA (other than denying him to be the Son of God, Risen from the dead and all that jazz, but thats a different debate ) but I would ask that you wait until later in life when you have had a chance for, well, in the most technical term possible: 'Have crap happen.' Be it good crap, bad crap or just plain crap. Get what I am saying? Me? I have seen both sides of the fence. I won't argue with MoS if I have seen the darker side of things or the lighter side of things, I can respect where he is coming from and still love him for that. The important thing is, he has lived long enough (if I am wrong on this MoS then this is going to sound pretty silly. ) to have stuff happen, to him, with him, for and against him, so he can say that he has lived it and he believes that there is no God. I can argue the same point for myself. I have lived through good stuff and bad stuff, and it is through my own personal experience and relationship that I have had that I can say, with full affirmation, that God exists, Jesus is his Son, and he cared enough to give up his life for me. I guess thats all I am saying man. Wait until you make a descision about such things. Sure you can say that a thing is good or bad based on another persions viewpoint/opinion, but to do so is folly. You should always make a descision based on what YOU think and what YOU have experienced. On these grounds I can totally agree with MoS that if kids are getting confirmed in the 2nd grade then I don't like that religion. This is also a reason so many people have been burned by such experiences with ANY kind of religion is because they were spoon-fed it from birth. So grow up, see the world, fall in love, have your heart handed back you you, have your heart taken out of your chest, torn apart, ground up, pureed, used for seasoning, and tossed onto a grill with extra BBQ sauce, THEN handed back to ya. Let life happen, seriously seek out God and try to find him. Only after then can you say 'I looked and found nothing'. Nothin' but love for ya man, nothin' but love. Besides, I can testify that MoS is a cool guy, and that this pic was chosen purely out of a liking of the band. Take a look at the rest of his profile pics. My favorite was this paintball action shot with s SWEET marker. Okay, I have been typing for waaaay to long now. I need to go take some medicine and lay down, I am already feeling queasy enough as it is. _______________ I'm crazy, not stupid. This comment was edited by Sared on Oct 16 2003 01:49am. |
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I don't like that kind of logic, becuase I could say the same for not believing in God. _______________ The Jedi formally known as Ranja. ---------------------- "I can list among my experience and skills: leadership, extensive travel, logistical organization, intimate understanding of firearms, and a knowledge of security measures at numerous banks." - Jesse James |
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"If possible, I would like to lay the simple rule that you have to be older than, say, twenty, to start throwing out these "Jesus sucks' 'I'm an athesit and your all full of it' posts." I haven't seen many posts, if any, that are like that. As for everything else...if people are getting confirmed in grade 2(accepting Jesus into their hearts, etc.), then I have every right to say I don't believe in God. _______________ Jedi Academy Holocron http://jaholocron.ryanmh.com/ Why should our government send our soldiers to foreign soil to protect freedom of speech, when our freedom of speech is being taking away everyday by the same government. |
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lol ranja, "LUCY you shouldn't have done that" but i'm an atheist so you shouldnt ask me, bsides, peeps isolate me cause of it... Thats no way to treat a dude _______________ When you are told something for years, you learn to accept it. But, after the truth is revealed, you feel conufusion, isolation, and depression. Then you ask, where do I belong? I'm searching for that answer. |
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Rainer - Student |
I need to set aside some time to look through all this, would have been much easier if I followed it from the start instead of forgetting about it and then coming back to 70 posts. Its uplifting to see that there are so many Christians here, and that it's not turning hostile. _______________ The Jedi formally known as Ranja. ---------------------- "I can list among my experience and skills: leadership, extensive travel, logistical organization, intimate understanding of firearms, and a knowledge of security measures at numerous banks." - Jesse James |
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Jacen Aratan - Student |
This is nothing aggressive, so don't take it that way, but I just want to know, Sared, why do you say that? Because if I've in any way degraded Jesus or any other religious thing, please tell me. I didn't mean to. |
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Sared - Retired
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Okay, I am about to sound very biased here so bear with me. If possible, I would like to lay the simple rule that you have to be older than, say, twenty, to start throwing out these "Jesus sucks' 'I'm an athesit and your all full of it' posts. Now, I say this NOT because I think younger students have less intellect or may be able to hold thier own in a debate, trust me, I am well aware of these facts. Rather, it is a lack of life experience. Okay, boss is calling. Will get back on this in about six hours or so. _______________ I'm crazy, not stupid. This comment was edited by Sared on Oct 15 2003 08:53pm. |
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reliogion and politics. the two things that can sour any disscusion. my $00.02 _______________ "We keep odd hours...." ----------------------- They Live, We Sleep |
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Koyi Donita - Student
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Hey Bandit. I would be most interested in finding out more about this Mithras cult. Your post with the many simularities between Christianity and the cult fasinates me. Would a public library support this type of material or would I have to find a more knowledgable source? As far as christians taking over there practices, I can't say that they didn't because I don't have enough material to support either side of the fight. All I know about the Bible is it was written by God as we read in 2 Timothy in the third chapter. In 2 Timothy 3:16 we read: 16) All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in the righteousness: Also in 2 Peter 1:21 we read: 21) For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. Now I'm not 100% sure of this but have been taught that Moses who lead the people of Israel out of Egypt wrote the first books of the Bible. It is from that point in time that we have an accurate account, (although not obvious without comparing scripture with scripture), of God's salvation plan. In Genesis 1 we read about the story of creation. In Gen. 1:3 we read: 3) And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. In John 1:4-9 we read: 4) In him was life; and the life was the light of men. 5) And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. 6) There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7) The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe. 8) He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light. 9) That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. When God created the world back in Genesis, he set up the time table of a 7 day week. He worked the first 6 days and rested on the 7th. Sunday he began, and Saturday he rested. He then called Saturday His hold day which was to be observed, but this was only a picture of how God has to do all of the work. In the ten commandments of God, it is placed right in the middle of the Godly commandments and the commandments towards men. In Exodus 20:8 we read: 8) Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. In Ex. 23:12 we read: 12)Six days thou shalt do thy work, and on the seventh day thou shalt rest: that thine ox and thine ass may rest, and the son of thy handmaid, and the stranger, may be refreshed. In Ex. 31:12-13 we read: 12) And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, 13) Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you. Also in Deuteronomy 5:15 we read: And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and that the LORD thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: therefore the LORD thy God commanded thee to keep the sabbath day. *Koyi sighs* Sorry to get off the subject a bit, but the point I was trying to make is the fact that I was trying to make was back at the creation of the world, God created light on the first day which is Sunday. Jesus is pronounced as the light of the world and once all these things, (the blood sacrifices, feast days, new moons, and the sabbaths), were all signs pointing to Christ. With all of those fulfilled in Christ, we were then commanded to by God to keep his holy day. In Matt. 28:1 we read: In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first of the sabbaths. This translation is taken from the Greek, not the King James. In Genesis, God recorded that the light would be observed on the first day. Now God set this in motion and Moses wrote of this thousands of years before Christ, but I don't know when this Mithras religion popped up so I will have to end this here. An interesting little look into this. Just wish I had more info to continue. I love you Bandit. Keep those tuskin taunts coming. _______________ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17 I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her. ...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down.
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Orion - Retired
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Man today is gonna be a bad day three times i have agreed with jacen, yes the Discovery channel owns  _______________ When a Man lies he murder's some part of the world. These are the pale deaths which men misscall there lives. All this I cannot bear to witness any longer. Cannot the kingdom of salvation take me home? -Cliff Burton Owner of Smily's 1900th comment | <Lady_Catherine> i love your sexy white socks! | (Lady_Catherine) i adore u! | (Lady_Catherine) onion (Lady_Catherine) i lub u |
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