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Rainer - Student |
Plain and simple, I want your opinions on the following things. Please give me reasons behind your beliefs. I may or may not post my standings on the matter. I just recently resigned from such a topic on another forum because it was taking up too much of my time writing replies. I've just grown curious about how the people of the Academy view Jesus, especially after seeing MINDofSIN's profile pic. Your beliefs regarding him. - Are you a Christian? If so, why? Oh and if your an agnostic, I would rather this conversation stray away from a long debate on whether or not the truth on the matter is knowable. For this topic the term Christian should be applied to someone who has accepted Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior, and who has committed their life to Him. Who was He? - This includes who do you think He thought He was. If you state that He thought Himself to be a prophet, give me reasons. If you state He thought himself to be God, again, give me reasons. If you state he never existed, you best present evidence on the matter because that is easily refuted. What of his Resurrection? - The most important story of Christianity, without this Christian Faith is in vain. Refute it or Defend it. Please make sure you are actually refuting it or defending it, and that you are not just making empty comments. I do not want an analysis of Christianity or religions in general. I do however want an analysis of Jesus Christ Himself, be Him man or God. I've said this before, and I'm going to say it again, do not make empty comments. Oh yeah, and be civil. The last thing I want is a flame war between believers and non-believers. _______________ The Jedi formally known as Ranja. ---------------------- "I can list among my experience and skills: leadership, extensive travel, logistical organization, intimate understanding of firearms, and a knowledge of security measures at numerous banks." - Jesse James This post was edited by Rainer on Oct 10 2003 05:12pm. |
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Koyi Donita - Student 
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Now many people take the popular verse in the Bible of John 3:16 which reads: 16)For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. And in verses 17 and 18 we read: 17) For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18) He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. With reading this, and even I knew somewhat of this verse growing up mostly out of the church, I could very easily come to the conclusion that Jesus payed for every sin and if one would simply reach out and believe on him then they too could be saved. But I question the word "so" in John 3:16. If I say, "I love you all so very much" I'm not say, "So I love you very much". So has different meanings and it's to my belief that it's more in the texted of my first usage. It's almost like say "in this manner". "I love you all (In this manner) very much. I also come to question if anyone can believe in the Lord. Surely with the scripture from Romans and Psalms I just posted earlier, God states himself that there is none that is righteous, no, not one. There is none that seek after God. So how does one come to believe upon the Lord? With His work and His saving grace as I tried to highlight earlier too. *Koyi looks back to the Bible* We are listening to you God. Please continue. In Matthew 7:21-23 we read: 21) Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is ni heaven. 22) Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23) And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. *Koyi frowns as a tear rolls down his cheek* Isn't this horrible! Many will do much believe that they are doing God's will but will fall short. They are believing too much in there own wills and strength's believing that they can get theirselves saved. Jesus will turn people away. God has just declaired this unto us all. In Matthew 8:1-4, Jesus heals a leper. In 8:5-13, He heals a centurion's servant. In 8:14-17, He healed Peter's mother-in-law. Let us closer at Matthew 8:16 and 17 as it reads: 16)When the even was come, they brought unto him many that were possessed with devils: and he cast out the spirits with his word, and healed all that were sick: 17) That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Isaiah the prophet, saying, HIMSELF TOOK OUR INFIRMITIES, AND BARE OUR SICKNESSES. I believe the sicknesses here God is speaking about is the sin that sickens our souls. He wasn't baring their physical sicknesses, just healing them which is probably a picture of how he heal us all of our sin sick souls. He bore the sins of those he came to save that they could be saved and he could have a people of his own. In Matt 9:1-8 Jesus heals a paralyzed man. In Matt. 9:18-26, Jesus brought a ruler's daughter back to life and from verses 20-22 He healed a woman. Now some might want to argue that this woman sought him out and touched him to be healed, but let us hear what God says in verse 22 which reads: 22)But Jesus turned him about, and when he saw her, he said, Daughter, be of good comfort; thy faith hath made thee whole. And the woman was made whole from that hour. Now his clue of say thy faith is what gives it away. God gives us faith from the reading/hearing of His Word. In Romans 10:17 we read: 17) So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. In Matt. 12:9-14, Jesus heals a man with a withered hand. In Matt. 15:29-31, Jesus healed a great multitude of lame, blind, dumb, maimed, and many others. In John 11:1-46 is recorded the raising of Lazarus. These scriptures are truely amazing for Lazarus was dead 4 days before Jesus raised him from the dead. In John 11:23-25 we read: 23) Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again. 24) Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day. 25) Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:. *Koyi looks up* Now all these people, the blind, the deaf, the lame, the maimed, the diseased, the dumb, and even the dead were healed by Jesus's will. Could any of these people cure themselves? Yes, it is recorded in the Bible a great number of times that if we are just to believe or to call on the name of the Lord, we will be saved, but again the scriptures tell us that we can't or even worse we won't. In Matt. 11:43 we read: 43) And when he thus had spoken, he cried with a loud voice, Lazarus, come forth. Now can a corpse hear? Can a corpse get up and obay the commands of the living? No, it can't. But Jesus cured all these people and why does He proclaim that He is the resurrection, and the life? I believe because he is trying to show us something spiritually here. As he cures the physically blind, he's showing us how he cures the spiritually blind, cures the spiritually deaf, the lame, the maimed, the dumb, and even the dead in there sins. These physical healings aren't going on today. God isn't concerned with our physical well being, but our spiritual. It's getting late, so I will have to come back to this later. *Koyi closes his Bible and thanks God for his wonderful mercy of speaking to all of us.* I hope to be back with more scripture diving more into the questions about Jesus Christ. May God add His blessing to the reading of His Word. Amen. _______________ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17 I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her. ...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down. 
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Koyi Donita - Student 
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Hello again all. I'm here again to share more scripture. Now I've been reading what everyone is posting and I feel a little uneasy with how it almost seems that most who believe in Jesus believe that he payed for everybodies sins. How anybody can reach out to him and be saved. *Koyi lowers his head and sighs* If only this was true my friends. Who knows, maybe it is. Maybe I'm the one that is blind, but I would like to share some scriptures today to let God speak to us all from an angle that most don't understand or refuse to listen to. *Koyi prays a small prayer* Lord. Please have a great amount of mercy on all of us today. We have all gone out of the way. We are all wicked. Not one of us is righteous, no not one. Please open our spiritual eyes and ears to your words oh Lord. Right them upon our minds, hearts, and souls so that we may come into a loving relationship with you. Please have mercy on us oh Lord. Let the Honor and Glory be yours Almighty God, now and forever. Amen. *Koyi opens his Bible* How much of a blessing is this? Truely we have God's council and wisdom right here with us. With it He saves those who's sins he payed for which he will tell us if we only listen. In Romans 3:10-20 we read: 10) As it is written, THERE IS NONE RIGHTEOUS, NO, NOT ONE: 11) THERE IS NONE THAT UNDERSTANDETH, THERE IS NONE THAT SEEKETH AFTER GOD. 12) THEY ARE ALL GONE OUT OF THE WAY, THEY ARE TOGETHER BECOME UNPROFITABLE; THERE IS NONE THAT DOETH GOOD, NO, NOT ONE. 13) THEIR THROAT IS AN OPEN SEPULCHER; WITH THEIR TONGUES THEY HAVE USED DECEIT; THE POSION OF ASPS IS UNDER THEIR LIPS: 14) WHOSE MOUTH IS FULL OF CURSING AND BITTERNESS: 15) THEIR FEET ARE SWIFT TO SHED BLOOD: 16) DESTRUCTION AND MISERY ARE IN THEIR WAYS: 17) AND THE WAY OF PEACE HAVE THEY NOT KNOWN: 18) THERE IS NO FEAR OF GOD BEFORE THEIR EYES. 19) Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. 20) Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. In Psalm 14:1-3 we read: 1)The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good. 2) The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God. 3) They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one. *Koyi smiles* If we were to read all the verses in Psalm 14, we get a message of man kinds condition and a statement of "When the LORD bringeth back the captivity of his people". The Lord is doing the work and saving His, I repeat, HIS people. I believe God must have felt this message to be truely important when we find it almost completely rewritten in Psalm 53. In Psalm 5 1:1-4, 7-10 we read: 1) Give ear to my words, O LORD; consider my meditation. 2) Hearken unto the voice of my cry, my King, and my God: for unto thee will I pray. 3) My voice shalt thou hear in the morning, O LORD; in the morning will I direct my prayer unto thee, and will look up. 4) For thou are not a God that hath pleasure in wickedness: neither shall evil dwell with thee. 7) But as for me, I will come into thy house in the multitude of thy mercy: and in thy fear will I worship toward thy holy temple. 8) Lead me, O LORD, in thy righteousness because of mine enemies; make thy way straight before my face. 9) For there is no faithfulness in their mouth; their inward part is very wickedness; their throat is an open sepulcher; they flatter with their tongue. 10) Destroy thou them, O God; let them fall by their own counsels; cast them out in the multitude of their transgressions; for they have rebelled against thee. *Koyi looks up* Very simular language to what we found in Romans earlier. Remember now that in Romans, it was speaking of humanity as a whole. These scriptures are to let man kind know that we are in terrible danger. All the world is guilty before God. In Psalm 140:1-3 we read: 1) Deliver me, O LORD, from the evil man: preserve me from the violent man; 2) Which imagive mischiefs in their heart; continually are they gathered together for war. 3) They have sharpened their tongues like a serpent; adders' poison is under their lips. Selah. In Psalm 36:1-4 we read: 1) The transgression of the wicked saith within my heart, that there is no fear of God before his eyes. 2) For he flattereth himself in his own eyes, until his iniquity be found to be hateful. 3) The words of his mouth are iniquity and deceit: he hath left off to be wise, and to do good. 4) He deviseth mischief upon his bed; he setteth himself in a way that is not good; he abhorreth no evil. *Koyi smiles* But there is hope for us all and it happens to be the Lord Jesus. To be continued.... _______________ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17 I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her. ...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down.
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DJ Sith - Jedi Council 
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I'm born and raised Jewish. I grew up in a conservative household and was quite religious in my teens. Since then I figure I believe in God but don't really follow any organised religion. I have absolutely no beilef in any manner of messiah. You can only count on yourself, not some man who died ~2000 years ago. I believe there is no afterlife and we need to live here to make the world a better place for the sake of making the world a better place, not for any reward after we die. This is to say I don't think those who believe in christ are delusional or anything. If you believe in him then go ahead believing. If he gets you out of the darkest places then more power to him and you. I'm reminded of a line form a NOFX song. "His hope may be false, but his happiness is real. Don't try to judge him. He's just a man." Bad Religion rules.  _______________ My car is made of Nerf. |
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VirusD - Student 
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hehe i belive in nothing. i belive in death hehe , thats the ounly thing what u can be sure ounly this days, u will die... _______________ '** I hated going to weddings. All the grandmas would poke me saying "You're next". They stopped that when I started doing it to them at funerals.**' '**On going to war over religion: "You're basically killing each other to see who's got the better imaginary friend.**" '**I Dont Lie! I Just Bend And Illustrate The Truth A Little**' - By me when talking to a friend. |
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Xavier - Ex-Student 
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*Smile's at MOS's post* _______________ [Left] |
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MINDofSIN - Student 
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I can almost guarantee I've been in darker places than 99.5% of the people on this site and I've made it this far without God. _______________ Jedi Academy Holocron http://jaholocron.ryanmh.com/ Why should our government send our soldiers to foreign soil to protect freedom of speech, when our freedom of speech is being taking away everyday by the same government. |
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Sared - Retired 
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Sorry mate, must have misread that. _______________ I'm crazy, not stupid. |
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Jello` - Student 
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"Now, I'm not expecting a drastic life change or for some miracles to happen, I just dont feel any difference in myself between believing and not." I never said anything was going to happen :\ _______________ Brady Brothers: Orion-Greg, Furi0us-Peter, Me-Bobby. Long lost cousin to Flash. Midbie Council #007. Ex-JAK. |
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Sared - Retired
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Yes I am a Christian. Why? I have been in the darkest of places when none other that Him could pull me through. Who was he? He IS the Son of God, one of the Trinity, who died and took our punishment so that we may spend eternity with him. What of his Resurrection? It is what defeated our imprisonment. We are human, imperfect beings, with no chance of redemtion on our own. Since God is perfect, he cannot look upon a sinful being. When Moses came down from the Mount, he had to cover his face with a veil because he was literally shining from seeing God face-to-face. Since God can look upon no evil, if any evil being were to come into his presence then it would be annihilated. God looks at us, his children, through the blood of Jesus Christ, so by his blood, we are made pure. When we sin, we distance ourselves from God, and when a Christian sins (and trust me, we all do) then we break that connection to God, we get out of touch with Him. That is why each and every day I must ask his forgiveness and strive to live for him and to show forth his glory to the world. Jello, simply believing in Him isn't going to change your life for you. You have to make the choice to live your life for Him. You are still in the drivers seat, but you actually have to listen to the guy giving directions. Schweet post Koyi and you said it DM, Jesus PWN3S. _______________ I'm crazy, not stupid. This comment was edited by Sared on Oct 11 2003 05:27pm. |
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Jello` - Student
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Well, here I am, with my opinion on God/Jesus. If you would met any of my friends, they all know my position on this. I've gone to church as long as I remember, until this year our family stopped because we didnt like our church. Now, I am confirmed as of May, which I didn't really want to do because I honestly don't believe in Jesus. My life doesn't change when I belive in him and when I don't. I used to believe in him and it feels the same as it does now. One of my good Christian friends said maybe I fooled myself into believing, which I could of done. Now, I'm not expecting a drastic life change or for some miracles to happen, I just dont feel any difference in myself between believing and not. My life isn't the greatest. I do believe God has a plan for everyone, but now my life just sucks, and I'm looking to see what hes trying to do if anything. I know that doesn't make sense that I dont believe in Him but I believe he has a plan. Its really hard to explain what I believe in. Well, thats all I gotta say. Whew, long post. _______________ Brady Brothers: Orion-Greg, Furi0us-Peter, Me-Bobby. Long lost cousin to Flash. Midbie Council #007. Ex-JAK. |
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Smilykrazy - Retired 
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I love reading what koyi writes. It really is enlightening. I thank god for you every day. For he speaks to you when you read his word and that is just amazing to me. I await further respones from you koyi. I love you! _______________ RIP MOM 06/29/58-07/31/08 Married to Koyi Donita 4/30/11 |
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Koyi Donita - Student
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*Koyi smiles as he reaches for his Bible* We're in for a long one here. I would just like to state before I begin that my faith is founded on the Bible and only the Bible. It is and I hope that it always will be my foundation of truth. *Koyi opens his Bible before himself, closes his eyes, and prays a small prayer.* Thank you Lord for giving us Your Word. Thank you for your great mercies. Thank you for giving us this lantern so that we might see in the darkness. I beg of you Lord to come into each and everyone of our lives if you see it right to. Please Lord, have mercy on us. Lord, please have mercy for we are sinners and the wages of our sin is death. Lord, you tell us that this death isn't physical, but spiritual death. Please open our spiritual eyes and ears and apply Your Word to our hearts and minds. Please save us Lord. All Honor and Glory is yours Almighty God. *Koyi then turns to all who would read his words* The reason why I make the Bible the foundation of truth is simple. The Christian religion came forth from the Word Of God. When we read His Word, study His Word, and earnestly seek out His Word we begin to find wisdom if God so chooses us to learn from His Word. Let's lay out some ground work for my discussion. In John 1:1-5 we read: 1) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2) The same was in the beginning with God. 3) All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4) In him was life; and the life was the light of men. 5) And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. In Revelation 19:11-15 we read: 11) And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. 12) His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. 13) And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. 14) And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. 15) And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. *Koyi looks up* Now it's pretty clear that God is proclaiming that He is The Word of God. The Bible is, alone and in it's entirety, connected if not God Himself. When I read the Bible, it's like I'm spending quality time with God. What I read in the Bible is of God. Rev. 19:11 said that God is called Faithful and True so by my understanding, the Bible is a fountain of truth. More passages could be read to further this point, but let us move on. *Koyi looks back to the Bible.* If we read 1 Timothy 3:15 we read: 15) But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth. In Revelation 1:8, 11-14, 16-18, and 20 we read: 8) I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. 11) Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea. 12) And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks; 13) And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle. 14) His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow ; and his eyes were as a flame of fire; 16)And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp two-edged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength. 17) And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last: 18) I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death. 20) The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches. In Revelation 3:1 we read: 1) And unto the messenger of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead. And also in Revelation 3:14-17 we read: 14) And unto the messenger of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God; 15) I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. 16) So then because thou are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will vomit thee out of my mouth. 17) Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked: *Koyi looks up again* The reason I just read all of this is to compare scripture with scripture. Isn't it amazing the parallelism we find in Revelation 1:14 and 19:12 with His eyes being as a flame of fire? Or how about Revelation 1:16 and 19:15 with a sharp sword that goeth out of His mouth? I believe these scriptures to be talking about God and in Revelation 1:18 we read that He is him that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, He is alive for evermore. In this we could believe that it is talking about our Lord Jesus Christ. He died, and yet He lives now and for evermore. Revelation 19 we read that God was called The Word of God. This would mean that Jesus Christ is God and is somehow connected if not is directly identified with being The Word of God or the Bible. *Koyi smiles a warm smile* How great is this? God is right here with us all. I will continue to read upon just how great it is that we have God/The Word of God/the Bible with us, but this will come at a later date. Think about it, hypothetically speaking imagine if Jesus Christ came back to Earth, wouldn't you want to go and meet our Savior? Wouldn't you want to meet God? I know I would whether I was saved or not. That would be the greatest moment in history or perhaps second best next to the first coming and crusifiction of Jesus. Now here we just heard from the Bible that Jesus, our God is right here with all of us. Why don't we all read the Bible more? Why don't we follow all of the teachings and commandments of the Bible? More questions I will try to answer with scripture at another time. But that is off my chain of thought just a bit. The reason why I read so much into Revelations, touching on the readings about the candlesticks and the churches is because God tells us that at this time before the Bible was even finished, these two churches were dead churches. Reading more into those scriptures and even into the other churches you will read of God threatening them that He will remove there candlestick. This is just to clarify the scripture of 1 Timothy 3:15. It's not saying that the church is the pillar and ground of the truth, but the living God is which can also be seen in our readings in Revelations. This is why I make my discussions based on the Bible. I will try harder to stick with the topic of the forum when I post next but I believe what I have left here will be enlightening and hopefully I pray that it will bless a great multitude. _______________ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17 I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her. ...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down.
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Rainer - Student |
Page bookmarked ^_^ I have more than enough proof for myself. It really bugged me when someone's grandpa came to my Christian school and decided to start a conversation with me and throw probably about 15 to 20 questions basically trying to make me prove that the Bible should be trusted and that God exists. At the time I was already having doubts and that just made it worst because I couldn't answer all of his questions (not that I probably should have been able to, I was only 13 at the time). I'm 16 now, this summer a series of events led me to reevaluate my beliefs and I committed my life to Christ. I consider that the first time, because before my belief in Christ was purely based on assumptions I had made from my upbringing, and not as much on a choice of my own. Not only that but gradually during the month afterward I noticed changes in my confidence and patience. I've gained a great interest in Apologetics, because I don't like being in a position where I can't answer a skeptic's questions. But as you said there is no real substitute for faith. _______________ The Jedi formally known as Ranja. ---------------------- "I can list among my experience and skills: leadership, extensive travel, logistical organization, intimate understanding of firearms, and a knowledge of security measures at numerous banks." - Jesse James |
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DaRtH-MoBiLiTy - Student 
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Most people today that I encounter and have a conversation with, that do not believe, are people that beleive in only what they can touch, taste, and feel. As I have rational answer to all those aspects concerning God and Jesus, I.e creation, the mind, etc....It really does no good to recount all those things. The relationship REQUIRES Faith. And his word STRENGTHENS that Faith. Other than that, you will find nothing if you dont seek it. Behold I stand at the door and knock . Revelation 3.20 You have to be the one to open it. Ranja, proof of the Bible? This will help you, study this, apply it and know it. It (IMHO) is all you need. http://bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Library.showResource/CT/HWA/k/697 -DM- _______________ One Day, it will all end. This comment was edited by DaRtH-MoBiLiTy on Oct 10 2003 06:14pm. |
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Rainer - Student |
Wonderful testimony Darth Mobility! I think I've been so caught up in trying to prove the credibility of the Bible and the story of Christ that I forgot that there are people who can and do just believe-thanks for reminding me of that. I removed the bit about, "Just being brought up a Christian/Atheist doesn't count." My original intent was to see if anyone would give evidence to defend or deny Jesus as Lord. _______________ The Jedi formally known as Ranja. ---------------------- "I can list among my experience and skills: leadership, extensive travel, logistical organization, intimate understanding of firearms, and a knowledge of security measures at numerous banks." - Jesse James |
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Garos - Student 
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Joca is right, but there was this thing on all these different channels saying that Jesus might've been gay. And if he was born in arabia or something like that, why was he white? The churtch and that took stuff out and put stuff of the bible to make it the way they want. They are stupid in my opinion. The churtch of Australia and stuff are against gay people. They are TOTALLY prejuduce, homeaphobic and also child abusers. They made up some dumb, dumb, DUMB excuse to be against gays, but it's dumb. I'm not saying I'm gay, I'm saying I'm not homeaphobic and/or prejuduce and nobody should be. Oops, this was supposed to be about jebus. Oh well |
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joca_bt - Student 
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I think anyone as the right to believe in what they want. I don't believe in Jesus Crist but people like I said, got the right to believe in what they want and to have faith. _______________ - Son to Helen Catherine ;p - Random bash.org quote: X: you know what google earth needs? | Y: More 3D buildings? | X: ion cannon button |
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Xavier - Ex-Student 
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Pseudo Budhist. I also belive in fate. _______________ [Left] |
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Bandit - Student 
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I won't give you my answer here for several reasons... _______________ Part-Time Player (Weekend Warrior). Recipient of the prestigious "Longest-Post-Ever Award" (bestowed on me by Flash on March 23rd, 2004) This comment was edited by Bandit on Oct 27 2003 05:10am. |
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Xipkell - Student |
Well, I don't know exactly where I stand. I was reared southern Baptist but began to feel brainwashed when I hit my teens. Then I tried satanism. I even have some tattos I have to get rid of or cover. Then I gave up because it required as much blind faith in unforseeable things as christianity. So a couple two three years ago I said hi to the old man again. It felt good to talk to an old friend with whom I hadn't spoke in a long time. It was akin to talking to a picture of a friend I hadn't seen in quite some time and knew I would never see again. That's where I am today. I have a really good friend who always takes care of me. No matter how high or low I get. I've seen four continents including africa, hob nobbed with the rich in Lake Forest, Illinois where it is like storyville all the time and the Walgreen familly lives and lived in what was, for all intents and purposes, a crack house. I have never had money yet I have done all these things. Hey, I still can only afford to eat once a day. Yet when ever I bothered to turn around. There my old friend was whether I saw him or not. He always made sure I survived to fight another day. I still talk to the old man once in a while but I don't go to church. Religion, I feel, Is one of the best rackets a person could get into. Wars violent and otherwise have been and are still being fought today in my country and others. Who else's name can be involked and cause millions of people to give all they have including their lives. No one and it doesn't matter which religion we speak of. Monotheistic or polytheistic it makes no difference. Aren't we all going to feel really stupid when we die and find that everyone on this planet was wrong or that the crazy cultists had ir right. Aliens are truely coming to take us away. So put on your sweat suits and Nikes and commit suicide. I know I'm going to feel really feel stupid. I feel it is best not to try, overly hard, to define that which we don't understand. Scientists even admit they don't have half the answers that they are just guessing most of the time. So who am I to look a good friendship in the proverbial mouth. I just accept it and go about life. I don't have to much longer in the grand scheme of things and will have all the time to ask my questions, belive me it's going to take a few millenia, when I am dead and can meet this friend face to face. Until then he is just the old man. As far as christ is concerned who knows. The bible is a great story but it was written by man. I haven't read the appocripha yet but I feel it might answer some good questions. Whether others want to belive the answers or not. I can't say what is right or otherwise but I will be sure to ask the old man when I see him. This comment was edited by Xipkell on Oct 10 2003 11:39am. |
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DaRtH-MoBiLiTy - Student 
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I have to say, when I saw MOS's pic, yeah....the first thing that popped into my head was, "Bad Religon" but even so, I despise that picture. Nothing against Mind of Sin.....but the pic does reflect your name, so wtf...... As per the rest of your post. ___________________________________________ Are you a Christian? Yes I am and always will be. And while we are on this, my version of Christian, being that so many people beleive that word to mean so many things, THE DEFINITION = "To be Christ Like" as to say, model your life after Jesus Christ not that we are equivalent. ____________________________________________ If so, why? Why am I a Christian? Ask God, he chose me. He chose to place me in a Christian Home with Christian parents. He chose to Die for me on a cross because his grace is so amazing, that it brings new definition to the word, "Grace". He chose to save my soul and come into my heart and cleanse me from all unrighteousness. He chose to bring me Christian Friends who, like me, are on a never ending search, seeking the Lord, seeking his face, that he might manifest himself more each day in our lives as we seek him with all of our hearts. He chose embed his Holy Spirit deep with in my heart, constantly reminding me I am God's child and that my life is in his hands. He made it easy for me to be a Christian. The question is why does he know the number of hairs on our head and why does he care? The question is, though we are the scum of the earth undeserving of any blessing, grace, or mercy, WHY did he send his son, his only son, to die for us, so that we might have eternal life? GRACE, MERCY, PEACE. TAKE THOSE WORDS AND REMIND YOUR SELF THAT THOSE DEFINITIONS OF THOSE WORDS IN HIS BOOK PASSES ALL UNDERSTANDING. We can not fathom it. Can not fathom a Love so Great. Cant Fathom, that he knew YOU and ME better than we know ourselves, he knew us before the very foundation of the earth. And he CHOSE us. Who was He? The One and ONLY Redeemer and King. The Son of God. The Lamb that was beaten for our transgressions. He was bruised by our iniquity. He came and preached on this earth for only three years. During those three years, he made more of an impact on this planet then any other human being living or dead. Who is he? He is my very best friend. He has my back. He listens. He understands. He knows right where I am. Good or Bad. He is the target of my praise. And the savior of my soul. He is the Alpha and the Omega. He is the Begining and the End. He is the one true God. What of his Resurrection? When Jesus was crucified, he lay in a tomb for three days. On the third day, he rose again, acsended into heaven, promised us he would be back and took his seat at the right hand of the Father. Period. The great thing about Jesus, is the fact that you dont have to sit there and claim to be a religous person. When people come up to me and ask me what religon I am, I tell them, "No Religion, Jesus never said, "Follow this religion"...he said, "Follow me" The religous leaders of the day when Jesus was alive were the target of Jesus's anger, in several occasions he called them a den of snakes and vipers. To follow Christ is not a bunch of DO's and DONT's. It is a commitment you make, it is a prayer. "Lord, I confess that I am a sinner. I ask you to come into my life and cleanse me of my sins. I beleive you died for me and I beleive you rose again. And with your help, from this day forward, I will live for you, amen. This prayer, (in your own words of course) is what he asks us to do. And from this point, your not all of a sudden, SINLESS, BLAMELESS.......No, but he will remind you of right from wrong and help you grow mentally, physically, spiritually and socially. As long as you dont loose site of him. And when you screw up, earnestly look at yourself and say, "Lord, I am sorry I did that.....Please help me to turn from it and be a better person" The wierd thing is, he does help you. In ways you never see coming. His timing is not ours. His is perfect even if we can't see it in the begining. A Christian is a person in whom the Holy Spirit lives, whose attitude and behavior are consistent with the teachings of Jesus Christ. Through the regeneration of the Holy Spirit, the Christian is reborn from above or "born again" and maintains a right relationship with God and humans through a life of love and service. True Christianity is Not a boring, never get to do anything lifestyle. True Christianity is, 'The Great Adventure'. Sorry.......I get going on my King and I cant hardly stop.... so, in short.....Jesus Pwns, ...... Sorry if this was too long....But you asked  -DM- _______________ One Day, it will all end. This comment was edited by DaRtH-MoBiLiTy on Oct 10 2003 06:11pm. |
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Rei D'Kana - Ex-Student |
I defenately think I am a christian. Though I do not go to church or whatever. Its just that I took refuge with him at the time that my life took again one hell of a painfull turn. I feel like there is someone watching over me and more people. Even though my life has been a complete hell I still believe its got something to do with some sort of plan that he has. Its just my way of trying to be positive. As for the Prophet, god thingy. I believe he (or maybe she, who knows which gender god has)is defenately a god. If he has the ability to ressurect people, cure people, provide miracles, it cannot be an ordinary prophet. Also. the ressurection of Jesus, is probably the most important thing when it comes to christianship. I defend that statement. That shows that when you want forgivenss and really want to get rid of your sins, that its possible. Jesus died with the sins of the whole world. Yet he came back, a new life. So its possible. If people just commit themselfs to confession and ask for forgiveness. |
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MINDofSIN - Student 
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Bad Religion is a punk band that has been around for about 20 years. They aren't "anti-religion", despite their name. www.badreligion.com If anyone is offended by my pic, I will change it. Edit: I'm not sure where I stand on religion so I was a bit reluctant about this. I was raised Catholic, but I made the choice to stop going to church after I heard about all the sexual abuse and saw how idiotic some church members could be to others. After the death of a close friend in a car accident, I wasn't sure if there was a God, and if there was, I wanted to hate him. No reason anyone has given me to date can fix how betrayed and crushed I felt when she died. That's where I am now. _______________ Jedi Academy Holocron http://jaholocron.ryanmh.com/ Why should our government send our soldiers to foreign soil to protect freedom of speech, when our freedom of speech is being taking away everyday by the same government. This comment was edited by MINDofSIN on Oct 10 2003 08:05am. |
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Ash - Eats Babies 
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the only thing im commenting on is that MOS's pic is the symbol of a band called Bad Religion. you know how bands are. always coming up with cooky stuff for shock value. _______________ "We keep odd hours...." ----------------------- They Live, We Sleep |
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Smilykrazy - Retired
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*awaits a response from Koyi* _______________ RIP MOM 06/29/58-07/31/08 Married to Koyi Donita 4/30/11 |
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