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Bail Hope of Belouve - Student  |
There has been a lot of discussion about this on the web and fansites, and stuff, so here: How did you think Anakin brought the Force into balance? Some people say it was because he killed the last two Sith alive. Others say it was because he slaughtered the Jedi. I say it was this: He didn't only kill every Jedi, he also killed every Sith. The universe would have to start all over again. No Jedi... No Sith... This would of course have a tremendous effect on the Jedi after this. In the Old Republic, the Jedi were arrogant, because they thought they thought they were invincible. Now they know they can very easy be destroyed So that's why you have better Jedi, that are sure of themselves, but aren't overconfident. And now an even bigger headbreaker: Was Anakin supposed to go to the Dark Side? Was it meant to happen, or was it one of the possibilities that could happen? I think he was supposed to go to the Dark Side, the Force had that in mind for him. Because, the way I look at it, the Jedi where arrogant and needed to be destroyed. They where to sure of themselves, according to Yoda. And they should be, because for over a thousand years, there were no enemies that could stand against a Jedi, so the Jedi became (in the eyes of the normal man) invincible. That's why when kids are trained to be a Jedi, they expect to be so powerful... Which brings arrogance, right? So the Jedi that weren't arrogant (like Yoda, Echuu-Shen John) escape the slaughter miraculously  . But I'm still guessing why Obi-Wan was allowed to be alive. Was it because he had something to do in his life? Or maybe he had to set right a fault he once made? And if you think he wasn't arrogant, then look at this: in Ep1 he said: "I am ready to face the trials". Arrogant, right? In Ep1 he thought he was ready to take on a Padawan of his own. And he thought he could instruct him just as wel as master Yoda, very arrogant, right? Anyway, post your comments on both these subjects  And feel free to give as lot of critiscism as you want _______________ Visit the Belouve Family Website! Quote: I try to have fun with my friends and try to make a difference as best I can. What does making a difference mean? Well, it can be as simple as saying hello, answering a question that seems obvious or heck, just talking. -- Vladarion
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Vladarion - Ex-Student 
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The profiecy of the one that would bring balance to the force.... this was said by Quigon in Esp1. At the time of that profiecy the Jedi (Lightside) were in total control after little or no sith were around up to that point. He found Anankin and he was right in that he would bring balance, just not the balance he thought. During Quigons time Im sure the Sith started growing in power again. As they find out in Esp1 there is an apprentice (Darth Maul) and as Yoda said always two they are a master and apprenctice. Quigon thought that Anakin would be the saving force needed to put the life blood back into the Jedi. If you recall Obiwan and he argured about why Quigon should have already been a memember of the Jedi counsil. The Jedi were getting weaker but did not openly admit this. After all, the Jedi were the guardians of the Republic an if they were loosing their stuff the Republic would be in ruins in no time. Alas this was Quigons blunder in that he was told by Yoda that Anankin might be the one of the profiecy, but it was better he not be trained in the force. I believe Yoda had some insight that Anankin could shift the force to one side or the other if he ever fell, but I also believe he believed he could sense this and perhaps see that Anankin stayed on the right path. Quigon's dying request was that Obiwan teach Anankin the way of the force. Even against the counsils earlier judgement, Obiwan was able to win favor in Yoda's eyes after the battle on Naboo ,and thus promoted to Jedi Knight an allowed to take Anankin as his padawan. I really beleive they felt they could keep pandora's box closed. So to me Quigon's reasons were justified as he wanted to believe that Anankin would save the Jedi order, but at the same time he is responsible entirely for Obiwan being put in the middle which as it turns out, he was not ready for that responsibility. Obiwan was simply carrying out the promise he made to his dying Master. He should have acknoleged his weakness but he showed a flicker of his dead master Quigon by doing something he should not have. But in the end Anankin does bring balance because it is through him the Jedi are destroyed and it is through him that the Jedi are reborn (through his son Luke Skywalker) _______________ Padawan of Mace Windu, Brother to All. "Remeber, the Force will be with you always." - ObiWan Kenobi This comment was edited by Vladarion on Dec 12 2003 08:17am. |
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Doppelgänger - Student 
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I think you're right there was a bit of arrogance on Obi Wans part but I don't think Obi Wan understood at the time that training was more than just showing someone how to use the force it's showing someone how, why, what side and why. I think Obi Wan failed Anakin and it showed through when Anakin grew up. It's like raising a child and just telling them "you'll do it this way cause I said so" well anyone who's raised a child knows that they'll question why even if they have to brake that rule to get the answer. Anakin got his answer but it was too late for him to change. One way or another Anakin was destined to set the force right. It didn't matter what side he was on. It was just going to happen. That's why Yoda couldn't see his future clearly. As far as the Dark Side being stronger you're right it is. In the hands of a novice or pro. I've seen allot of noobs take out old pro's who use the Dark Side too. It takes a weak good person to give into its power. No one that is emotionally balanced could ever give into the Dark Side of the force. The Dark Side is to give power to the weak and lame or just plain lazy. If you don't believe me just go to a public server and look at how many lamers use it. They think it's a clever trick to have such power and never have to master it except by habit. It's a shame more people don't fully understand how the Light Side can be stronger when learned and used to it's full capacity. I remember talking to someone about all lamers/Dark Side using red saber too. I think it's a real world kind of thing. Not sure why. I think it was one night were I had a dozen lamers come on and all using red saber and red stance and always griping people of the ledge. I kept trying to explain to these people getting lamed that they only had to stay far enough away from ledges so they'd have time to turn on their absorb but no one listened. They complained though. _______________ "Look not back in anger, nor forward in fear But around you in awareness." Ross Hersey |
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Claudite - Ex-Student |
I wonder how far Mace had to go to get his Crystal? _______________ Yeah, so I have a lot of eggs.- Strong Bad |
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Bail Hope of Belouve - Student 
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yep my thought too _______________ Visit the Belouve Family Website! Quote: I try to have fun with my friends and try to make a difference as best I can. What does making a difference mean? Well, it can be as simple as saying hello, answering a question that seems obvious or heck, just talking. -- Vladarion
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I don't think the dark side is stronger... I just think it's alot easier to become powerful on the dark side, as opposed to the light side. |
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Mookie - Ex-Student 
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An explanation offered by the Expanded Universe, reinforced by the recent game Knights of the Old Republic, explains that light saber colors become because of the crystals used for your saber. In old tradition, the Sith used red sabers because the crystals indigenous to their territories were all of a "red" configuration so to speak. At least, that's what I have read. |
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Claudite - Ex-Student |
I do have a question... why do Sith always use red Lightsabers? I know red is symbol of evil, but there has to be another reason... perhpas because of a mind-set? _______________ Yeah, so I have a lot of eggs.- Strong Bad |
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Bail Hope of Belouve - Student
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anyone else has a good idea on this? _______________ Visit the Belouve Family Website! Quote: I try to have fun with my friends and try to make a difference as best I can. What does making a difference mean? Well, it can be as simple as saying hello, answering a question that seems obvious or heck, just talking. -- Vladarion
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Bail Hope of Belouve - Student 
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Yeah... _______________ Visit the Belouve Family Website! Quote: I try to have fun with my friends and try to make a difference as best I can. What does making a difference mean? Well, it can be as simple as saying hello, answering a question that seems obvious or heck, just talking. -- Vladarion
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SirBizNatch - Student 
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Methinks goodness/badness works in cycles. If you read The Dark is Rising Sequence its kinda like that. Bad comes for a time, good wipes it out, and starts over. Could startover good and sty like that or start overbad and stay like that; either way, will always end and restart. Anyway, the books/games kinda kill the blance thingy, since they show crazy sith cults and dark jedi and such, pretty soon after Ep6. Or maybe Anakin gave both sides to restart or something. _______________ Personal body guard to teh 1337 Jacen Aratan! Midbie Council Memeber||Member of the Almighty FiZZsters |
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Bail Hope of Belouve - Student
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Yeah I think that the Good in life, plans every move very carefully, while evil just strikes as soon as possible Just look at what evil does, and what good does For example, the good side plans the Chosen one thousands of years before his arrival Evil just strikes at a good moment, and makes The Chosen One (Anakin) come to evil himself. Or LOTR, It was no coïncidence that the ring was found by a hobbit, and it was no coïncidence that the ring wasn't made to rule hobbits. It was all carefully planned Evil stroke, and evil lost Good is stronger, I am sure of it because if Bad was stronger, we'd probably live in a world run by a tiran, and wars cover the lands in darkness. But it isn't so, or is it? _______________ Visit the Belouve Family Website! Quote: I try to have fun with my friends and try to make a difference as best I can. What does making a difference mean? Well, it can be as simple as saying hello, answering a question that seems obvious or heck, just talking. -- Vladarion
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Sease Yakcm - Ex-Student 
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 The darkside is simply like evil is in real life. It is weak but resourceful; it uses every opportunity it has to gain power and control. The light side on the other hand, must be stronger because it clearly prevails over dark, even disciplining itself from using the more chaotic ends of the force. Mind you that Yoda, although he didn't ever use the force lightning, he could easily absorb it because he knew how it worked. Light side is more powerful than dark, it is simply an issue of which is easier to use and which is better at making itself seem bigger. Evil uses all of itself in the front to put on a big show but has nothign to back it up, good is humble but is solid. -Just a comment from a noob _______________ "I came here to do two things, kick ass and chew bubblegum, and I'm all out of bubblegum." |
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Bail Hope of Belouve - Student
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Yeah, but who believes George Yoda all the way!!! _______________ Visit the Belouve Family Website! Quote: I try to have fun with my friends and try to make a difference as best I can. What does making a difference mean? Well, it can be as simple as saying hello, answering a question that seems obvious or heck, just talking. -- Vladarion
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cHoSeN oNe - Retired 
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I heard from George Himself that the darkside is stronger...Don't believe me? Go to Disney World in Orlando, Florida on Star Wars weekend and go to the hall next to the Indiana Jones show. They have a presentation in there. It's great! _______________ Get busy living, or get busy dying. This comment was edited by cHoSeN oNe on Nov 10 2003 01:23am. |
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Bail Hope of Belouve - Student
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Yep _______________ Visit the Belouve Family Website! Quote: I try to have fun with my friends and try to make a difference as best I can. What does making a difference mean? Well, it can be as simple as saying hello, answering a question that seems obvious or heck, just talking. -- Vladarion
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Vicious - Student 
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Anakin returns to the light when he kills the Emperor, he even tells Luke directly after that that Luke was right, there was still good in him. That is why he becomes one with the force when he dies and you see him as Anakin Skywalker, not Darth Vader, when standing with Yoda and Obi-Wan. _______________ I do not ask for your poor, or your hungry, I do not want your tired and sick, It is your corrupt I claim, It is your evil that will be sought by me, With every breath, I shall hunt them down, Each day, I will spill their blood, till it rains down from the skies. Do not kill, do not rape, do not steal, These are principles which every man of every faith can embrace, These are not polite suggestions, these are cores of behavior, And those of you that ignore them will pay the dearest cost. There are varying degrees of evil, I am a due lesser form of filth, not to push the bounds and cross over into true corruption, into our domain, For if you do, one day you will look behind you and you will see me, And on that day, you will reap it, And I will send you to whatever god you wish. |
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Mitch - Student 
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I'm kind of confused here...I know when Anakin goes to the Dark Side, but when does he return to the Light??? Clue me in please _______________ Power Preceived, is Power Acheived.' Brother to 3th, Janus, and Vlad. |
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Bail Hope of Belouve - Student
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oh it so isn't look at it like this: dark side = drugs light side= human body so, when you are in to the dark side you have to fight it when you are addicted to drugs you have to fight it If the dark side is stronger Anakin wouldn't have returned, (that's how I see it) because the Dark Side would never have let down his grip on him If drugs are stronger then the human body you always be addicted But you can get off drugs and so you can also get off the Dark Side _______________ Visit the Belouve Family Website! Quote: I try to have fun with my friends and try to make a difference as best I can. What does making a difference mean? Well, it can be as simple as saying hello, answering a question that seems obvious or heck, just talking. -- Vladarion
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Vicious - Student 
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Thats exactly what i mean Plo, nobody can say what would have happened. And with the dark side, i dont think it is better, people who turn generally become insane and have no control over what they do. I just believe that it IS stronger. _______________ I do not ask for your poor, or your hungry, I do not want your tired and sick, It is your corrupt I claim, It is your evil that will be sought by me, With every breath, I shall hunt them down, Each day, I will spill their blood, till it rains down from the skies. Do not kill, do not rape, do not steal, These are principles which every man of every faith can embrace, These are not polite suggestions, these are cores of behavior, And those of you that ignore them will pay the dearest cost. There are varying degrees of evil, I am a due lesser form of filth, not to push the bounds and cross over into true corruption, into our domain, For if you do, one day you will look behind you and you will see me, And on that day, you will reap it, And I will send you to whatever god you wish. |
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Plo Koon - Student 
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how do you know kyo if he wasnt in the darkside he could kill palpatine? hmm we may never know _______________ Free Tibet! Click this link,and learn Here too |
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I'm not sure if I agree with you on the Dark Side being stronger, but I can say something supporting your theory. Yoda never says that the Dark Side is weaker, he just says its quicker and easier. I think the Dark Side consumes you and then controls you. Its almost like a drug. It is very possible that the Dark Side is more powerful, but too dangerous to embrace if you wish to keep your mind straight. _______________ The Jedi formally known as Ranja. ---------------------- "I can list among my experience and skills: leadership, extensive travel, logistical organization, intimate understanding of firearms, and a knowledge of security measures at numerous banks." - Jesse James |
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dose - Ex-Student 
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That's a very sinister interpretation. I, personally, don't believe in a Darkside. Neutrality is my theory. That's why I like Dooku. He's actually not a sith lord, but someone who believes in a balance between light and dark. (as explained in the StarWars RPG Core Rulebook). _______________ "If you hold back anything, I'll kill you. If you bend the truth or I think you're bending the truth, I'll kill you. If you forget anything , I'll kill you. In fact, you're going to have to try very hard to stay alive Nick. Now do you understand everything that I have said? Because if you don't, I'll kill you!" |
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Vicious - Student
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Anakin didnt have to turn to the darkside to kill Palpatine, he used his physical strength to just hurl Palpatine into the Death Star's reactor. If you really think about it, it would have been easier to kill Palpatine if he had never turned to the darkside. If he had never turned, he still would have been mainly human, not mostly machine, and he would have no critical life support circuits for the Emperor's force lightning to fry. Then again he never would have been close enough to Palpatine to kill him if he never turned, but you get my point I hope. I also think that the darkside is stronger, that is why it is so tempting. I think Yoda merely told Luke it wasn't so that Luke wouldn't become afraid, thus turning to the dark side. It was a little white lie to help Luke in his training. _______________ I do not ask for your poor, or your hungry, I do not want your tired and sick, It is your corrupt I claim, It is your evil that will be sought by me, With every breath, I shall hunt them down, Each day, I will spill their blood, till it rains down from the skies. Do not kill, do not rape, do not steal, These are principles which every man of every faith can embrace, These are not polite suggestions, these are cores of behavior, And those of you that ignore them will pay the dearest cost. There are varying degrees of evil, I am a due lesser form of filth, not to push the bounds and cross over into true corruption, into our domain, For if you do, one day you will look behind you and you will see me, And on that day, you will reap it, And I will send you to whatever god you wish. This comment was edited by Vicious on Nov 06 2003 01:30am. |
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Bail Hope of Belouve - Student
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nice one, cHoSeN oNe Just one thing The Dark Side isn't stronger Master Yoda says it himself in Ep5: Luke: "Is the Dark Side stronger?" Yoda: "No, that not! More deceivious, quicker.." _______________ Visit the Belouve Family Website! Quote: I try to have fun with my friends and try to make a difference as best I can. What does making a difference mean? Well, it can be as simple as saying hello, answering a question that seems obvious or heck, just talking. -- Vladarion
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cHoSeN oNe - Retired 
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The only way he could destroy palpatine was to go to the darkside because it is more powerful. ( pending you have extreme knowledge of both sides) He didn't realize it was his destiny all along until finally he fullfilled the prophecy by deleting the Sith for good! _______________ Get busy living, or get busy dying. |
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