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Bail Hope of Belouve - Student  |
There has been a lot of discussion about this on the web and fansites, and stuff, so here: How did you think Anakin brought the Force into balance? Some people say it was because he killed the last two Sith alive. Others say it was because he slaughtered the Jedi. I say it was this: He didn't only kill every Jedi, he also killed every Sith. The universe would have to start all over again. No Jedi... No Sith... This would of course have a tremendous effect on the Jedi after this. In the Old Republic, the Jedi were arrogant, because they thought they thought they were invincible. Now they know they can very easy be destroyed So that's why you have better Jedi, that are sure of themselves, but aren't overconfident. And now an even bigger headbreaker: Was Anakin supposed to go to the Dark Side? Was it meant to happen, or was it one of the possibilities that could happen? I think he was supposed to go to the Dark Side, the Force had that in mind for him. Because, the way I look at it, the Jedi where arrogant and needed to be destroyed. They where to sure of themselves, according to Yoda. And they should be, because for over a thousand years, there were no enemies that could stand against a Jedi, so the Jedi became (in the eyes of the normal man) invincible. That's why when kids are trained to be a Jedi, they expect to be so powerful... Which brings arrogance, right? So the Jedi that weren't arrogant (like Yoda, Echuu-Shen John) escape the slaughter miraculously  . But I'm still guessing why Obi-Wan was allowed to be alive. Was it because he had something to do in his life? Or maybe he had to set right a fault he once made? And if you think he wasn't arrogant, then look at this: in Ep1 he said: "I am ready to face the trials". Arrogant, right? In Ep1 he thought he was ready to take on a Padawan of his own. And he thought he could instruct him just as wel as master Yoda, very arrogant, right? Anyway, post your comments on both these subjects  And feel free to give as lot of critiscism as you want _______________ Visit the Belouve Family Website! Quote: I try to have fun with my friends and try to make a difference as best I can. What does making a difference mean? Well, it can be as simple as saying hello, answering a question that seems obvious or heck, just talking. -- Vladarion
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Bail Hope of Belouve - Student 
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THANK YOU Finally That's my thought too _______________ Visit the Belouve Family Website! Quote: I try to have fun with my friends and try to make a difference as best I can. What does making a difference mean? Well, it can be as simple as saying hello, answering a question that seems obvious or heck, just talking. -- Vladarion
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Demon - Student 
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Anakin tasted both the light and the dark side. Through the number of midichlorians of his body, he was able to balance the force. How? Because he came back from the dark side to the light side, damnit. Nobody couldn't do it, even master Yoda said, that once fallen to the dark side, it would forever change your destiny. Thus, by coming back to the light, the gap between the two sides was destroyed, and balance restored. _______________ Quote: Peace is a lie, there is only passion. Through passion I gain strength. Through strength I gain power. Through power I gain victory. Through victory my chains are broken. The Force will free me. -The Code of The Sith
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Bail Hope of Belouve - Student
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I don't think it's that actually Because, if there have to be equal numbers of Jedi and Sith (or Jedi and Sith powers) then there never was any balance, right? _______________ Visit the Belouve Family Website! Quote: I try to have fun with my friends and try to make a difference as best I can. What does making a difference mean? Well, it can be as simple as saying hello, answering a question that seems obvious or heck, just talking. -- Vladarion
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O2B-1Dai - Ex-Student 
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Well, how many dark jedi and sith were there in EP1? The jedi council didn't know if there were any left...so for there to be balance, then dark jedi would have to start appearing - hence Palpy, Maul and Vader. Even then there still isn't balance, cause the good numbers outweigh the dark numbers. Unless you take in to account the amount of power or influence or force mana that each person has. _______________ A true friend isn't the one bailing you out of jail, he's the one sitting next to you saying, "Man, that was cool!" 
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Bail Hope of Belouve - Student
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here's a good thing to think about Maybe he brought the Force into balance by going completely to the Dark Side and coming completely back to the Light Side _______________ Visit the Belouve Family Website! Quote: I try to have fun with my friends and try to make a difference as best I can. What does making a difference mean? Well, it can be as simple as saying hello, answering a question that seems obvious or heck, just talking. -- Vladarion
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Bail Hope of Belouve - Student 
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I agree, he might have taken over Star Wars from someone else oh well... I've got no argument _______________ Visit the Belouve Family Website! Quote: I try to have fun with my friends and try to make a difference as best I can. What does making a difference mean? Well, it can be as simple as saying hello, answering a question that seems obvious or heck, just talking. -- Vladarion
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dose - Ex-Student 
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Bail: "Maybe [Luke turns dark] in those comics and books but mind you...Those are totally not written by George Lucas (so, I personally think they don't count)" George Lucas didn't really write Star Wars at all. He studied Joseph Campbell and based Star Wars on his book. Campbell is a philosopher who discovered all Myths have characters and plot twists that are nearly identical. Lucas wanted to base Star Wars on a mythical level, so he made all the characters and story based on examples specifically sited by Campbell. Tolkien too took hints from Campbell. For instance: The Wizard Character Archetype = -Obi-Wan and Gandalf Both come to the main hero to aid them through their adventure, representing the magic of an ancient time. Both die and are reborn to help the hero beyond their death. In my OAC year I did an english paper and you can literally follow Star Wars with Campbell's book: "The Hero with a Thousand Faces" _______________ "If you hold back anything, I'll kill you. If you bend the truth or I think you're bending the truth, I'll kill you. If you forget anything , I'll kill you. In fact, you're going to have to try very hard to stay alive Nick. Now do you understand everything that I have said? Because if you don't, I'll kill you!" |
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Bail Hope of Belouve - Student
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I agree, He was meant to go to the Dark Side. It was just his fate but he was redeemed, and finally found peace along with Yoda and Obi-Wan Kenobi _______________ Visit the Belouve Family Website! Quote: I try to have fun with my friends and try to make a difference as best I can. What does making a difference mean? Well, it can be as simple as saying hello, answering a question that seems obvious or heck, just talking. -- Vladarion
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Master Malak - Ex-Student 
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Anakin brought balence back to the force by killing the empiror the and by killing him he had destroyed the last sith. But he would never of turned back to being a jedi if he didnt have luke so there for he had to disobey the jedi and have children because if he didnt he would have never been able to destroy the empiror. _______________ Master Malak- Jedi name Onean Ongla. _____________ Humans are made to destroy themselfs its in our nature- The Terminator. |
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Bail Hope of Belouve - Student
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Neej, dat denk ik niet hoor :-) Hij pakt z'n magnum en schiet die agent dwars door z'n sodemieter En wat is er met die flik? Die is hardstikke dood _______________ Visit the Belouve Family Website! Quote: I try to have fun with my friends and try to make a difference as best I can. What does making a difference mean? Well, it can be as simple as saying hello, answering a question that seems obvious or heck, just talking. -- Vladarion
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D@RtHM@UL - Student 
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Nah mine cause i said it |
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Bail Hope of Belouve - Student
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Exactly my point _______________ Visit the Belouve Family Website! Quote: I try to have fun with my friends and try to make a difference as best I can. What does making a difference mean? Well, it can be as simple as saying hello, answering a question that seems obvious or heck, just talking. -- Vladarion
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D@RtHM@UL - Student
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And if there weren't wars, there wouldn't be any Star Wars and we wouldn't be here placing comments in a Star Wars community  |
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Bail Hope of Belouve - Student
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Yes, if everyone was an observer in this world THERE WOULD BE PEACE Because observers don't start wars, now do they? _______________ Visit the Belouve Family Website! Quote: I try to have fun with my friends and try to make a difference as best I can. What does making a difference mean? Well, it can be as simple as saying hello, answering a question that seems obvious or heck, just talking. -- Vladarion
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D@RtHM@UL - Student
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*activates saber* *slashes Anakin* THE END !!  |
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Havvk - Ex-Student 
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stfu Erestor *slaps him* _______________ ~~~knows secretly that furious sUx0rs~~~ |Defender of Ulthuan|Master of the deagle|Saber staff king|Master of spam| ~~~ You have to be bad to be be evil but you have to be evil to be bad! ~~~ ~~~ Will always remember c_M@D as a leader and as a brother -_- ~~~ |
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D@RtHM@UL - Student
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HaHa, Anakin is the worsed Jedi i've ever read or seen about. |
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Havvk - Ex-Student
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just face it anakin pns j00 allz _______________ ~~~knows secretly that furious sUx0rs~~~ |Defender of Ulthuan|Master of the deagle|Saber staff king|Master of spam| ~~~ You have to be bad to be be evil but you have to be evil to be bad! ~~~ ~~~ Will always remember c_M@D as a leader and as a brother -_- ~~~ |
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Flamori Athena - Student 
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That's not arrogance...that's self-confidence. If you think you are ready, it's no use being falsely modest. What do you think would happen if everyone in this world was an observer? _______________ «±» 21st on the Midbie Council, Profile ID: 2027 «±» True wisdom is the knowledge that you know nothing. |
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Bail Hope of Belouve - Student
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Yes, maybe he does in those comics and books but mind you... Those are totally not written by George Lucas (so, I personally think they don't count) But you are right about him turning to the dark side And you're also right about Luke and Leia, and Anakin and the Emperor _______________ Visit the Belouve Family Website! Quote: I try to have fun with my friends and try to make a difference as best I can. What does making a difference mean? Well, it can be as simple as saying hello, answering a question that seems obvious or heck, just talking. -- Vladarion
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dose - Ex-Student
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Just so everyone knows, Luke totally turns to the Dark Side in the Dark Empire Series. One of the Emperor clones is still alive and Luke joins him in order to give the New Republic information about the Remnant. The Emperor suspects Luke and turns him. Luke goes back to light (of course) afterward. It's a sick series, you should pick it up. --- "Much to the shock of many a comic reader, Luke kneels before the new Emperor, and proclaims himself Palpatine's new student." (starwars.com) http://www.starwars.com/eu/feature/20000405/index.html#0 --- Plus, Anakin brings balance to the Force indirectly. He is the father of Luke and Leah, the two main founders of the New Republic. He is responsible for them, as well as destroying Palpatine. _______________ "If you hold back anything, I'll kill you. If you bend the truth or I think you're bending the truth, I'll kill you. If you forget anything , I'll kill you. In fact, you're going to have to try very hard to stay alive Nick. Now do you understand everything that I have said? Because if you don't, I'll kill you!" This comment was edited by dose on Oct 21 2003 03:15pm. |
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Vicious - Student 
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They speak of the prophecy to bring balance to the force in the sense that there has never been balance in the force, even when the Sith were nearly equal in number to the Jedi. I dont believe that as soon as there is an equal number of light side and dark side users, the force is in balance. And then once either side loses one person, it is out of balance. That theory would be too unstable to explain the force, one second its balanced, the next its not. When Vader brought balance to the force, i believe its a universal thing, permanent in the force, not to be undone by the actions or decisions of a single life-form. _______________ I do not ask for your poor, or your hungry, I do not want your tired and sick, It is your corrupt I claim, It is your evil that will be sought by me, With every breath, I shall hunt them down, Each day, I will spill their blood, till it rains down from the skies. Do not kill, do not rape, do not steal, These are principles which every man of every faith can embrace, These are not polite suggestions, these are cores of behavior, And those of you that ignore them will pay the dearest cost. There are varying degrees of evil, I am a due lesser form of filth, not to push the bounds and cross over into true corruption, into our domain, For if you do, one day you will look behind you and you will see me, And on that day, you will reap it, And I will send you to whatever god you wish. This comment was edited by Vicious on Oct 21 2003 01:05am. |
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Vasper Ba'xian - Student 
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Your quote from Mace is from Ep.I, mine is from Ep.II. In Ep.II there were far more L/jedi than D/jedi. Mace knew it was because he said anakin could bring it back into balance. I just see balanced as something being equal.More light side than dark is unbalanced, and visversa. Maybe the true definition of balanced force will be told in 2005. Good debate BTW hey all check outmy jedi ranking forum in this section. lemme know if you can help..thanks _______________ Brother to: Tamal, Kavar, J.D.,Jermia, Devlin, Ulic, Xiabara, Seij,Tarron Mib,>>>ROCK ON .My Spacescapes art page.My Everything Else art page. MY FAV. Jedi Are: Qui-Gon Jinn, Corran Horn, and Anakin Solo. Unofficial Master to Tamal. and Kavar. Founder of the Wuji Hundun Jian saber style. Proud owner of Tamal's 200th comment!//Proud owner of Refl3x's 300th comment!>>>Proud owner of Tyrant's 800th comment>>>Proud owner of Lucky's 170th comment>>>Proud owner of BDKawika's 444th comment>>>To except Existance is to except Reality.
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Vicious - Student
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Actually Vasper I was talking about The Phantom Menace: Qui-Gon: "A boy, his cells have the highest concentration of midichloreans I've seen in a life-form. It's possible he was concealed by the midichloreans." Mace Windu: "You speak of the prophecy of the one who will bring balance to the force, you believe it is this boy?" At this point in the movie it was still just speculation that Qui-Gon's attacker was a Sith lord, so if to bring balance to the force means to have equal numbers of light and dark force users, than the council would have to believe that in order to do that, Anakin would have to turn to the dark side. So why train him? I don't believe it pertains to the number of light and dark force users at all. _______________ I do not ask for your poor, or your hungry, I do not want your tired and sick, It is your corrupt I claim, It is your evil that will be sought by me, With every breath, I shall hunt them down, Each day, I will spill their blood, till it rains down from the skies. Do not kill, do not rape, do not steal, These are principles which every man of every faith can embrace, These are not polite suggestions, these are cores of behavior, And those of you that ignore them will pay the dearest cost. There are varying degrees of evil, I am a due lesser form of filth, not to push the bounds and cross over into true corruption, into our domain, For if you do, one day you will look behind you and you will see me, And on that day, you will reap it, And I will send you to whatever god you wish. |
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Vasper Ba'xian - Student
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Thats true Ky, but if we are going off of what they said, then why did yoda say "The dark side clouds everything."? They must have known something was wrong. And mace said "If the prophecy is true, then ur apprentice COULD be the one to bring the force into balance.", or close but why would he say "could"? He talked like it wasn't in balance. _______________ Brother to: Tamal, Kavar, J.D.,Jermia, Devlin, Ulic, Xiabara, Seij,Tarron Mib,>>>ROCK ON .My Spacescapes art page.My Everything Else art page. MY FAV. Jedi Are: Qui-Gon Jinn, Corran Horn, and Anakin Solo. Unofficial Master to Tamal. and Kavar. Founder of the Wuji Hundun Jian saber style. Proud owner of Tamal's 200th comment!//Proud owner of Refl3x's 300th comment!>>>Proud owner of Tyrant's 800th comment>>>Proud owner of Lucky's 170th comment>>>Proud owner of BDKawika's 444th comment>>>To except Existance is to except Reality.
This comment was edited by Vasper Ba'xian on Oct 20 2003 10:44pm. |
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