| Lift monopolizing on Hoth Siege | |
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JavaGuy - Student  |
I've seen this strategy used a lot, and it's cool with me. When I'm on the attacking team and see that I can't get to the lift, I say okay, need to tech the back door and go in that way. Once the Imperials have a real toehold in the infirmary it's pretty hard to keep up, plus it takes one Rebel almost completely out of the action while it's happening. I also consider it a perfectly legitimate tactic. Well I was on two different Siege servers today where I held up the lift, and the attackers whined, whined, whined about how this was "cheap" (the universal description for any move one doesn't know how to counter) and how the lift button was not meant to be used (by mappers who obviously PUT it there and created the triggers to make it usable). One of the whiners was on a team top-heavy with tech, which a lot of people call cheap but is a legitimate game plan as far as I'm concerned. When I pointed this out to him and asked if he thought that using mines and blasters was "cheap" he said that those are weapons and can be countered. I pointed out to him that lift monopolizing can be countered, but he didn't understand that. Someone else remarked that EVERYTHING is a weapon, and that's true. Anyone who has studied martial arts knows that anything you can get your hands on is a weapon. A good warrior uses his environment to his advantage. People use the various sniper roots throughout the map to their advantage, and no one calls that cheap. People place trip mines around corners where they're hard to see, and no one calls that cheap. These are just ways of using the map itself as an offensive or defensive weapon. Well the lift button is a feature of the map. On another server, a guy on the opposing team actually kept calling votes to kick me for "laming" (a concept that makes no sense in the context of a Siege game). When he couldn't get me booted he started calling votes to kick someone else on my team who kept detonating him. I told him to quit trying to kick everyone better than he, and he said, "Yeah right. Look at the scores." That provided an interesting insight into his mind: He thought that the way to win Siege was to rack up a lot of kills. He simply didn't get that a whole team wins or loses, either by achieving the objectives or by preventing the other team from doing so. The most valuable player on a team can have a crappy score; what matters is what helps the team. This reminds me of the "no rush" rule in StarCraft. Players who weren't good enough to mount a defense quickly would whine about early attacks and call them "cheap." Again, "cheap" is what we call anything we don't know how to counter. _______________ My signature is only one line. You're welcome. |
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D@RtHM@UL - Student 
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Yeah, I agree to Java aswell btw  |
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Kueller - Student 
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I totally agree Java!!! _______________ Personal sleepness-nights-supporter of Virtue. Owner of the 1000th comment of Daidalus and 1943th comment of Gradius! Owner of the 300th comment of Carda! -Taught Gradius all his laming skills
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D@RtHM@UL - Student
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I don't think it's cheap, if the lift was the only way, then yeah it would would cheap since they can't move on then, but since there are other ways, no they are allowed to do it  Besides people at pubs are often bad losers, if they can't beat you, they call your ways cheap etx. Just ignore 'em  |
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Ren - Ex-Student 
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Do I consider it cheap yes cause it takes the fun out of siege. Do I whine about it, I did the first time, because I didn't think about doing it when I was on defense . But like all things it can be countered and even work in your favor with the technique posted above in the first post. I just say forget about arguing with noobs, you go into a real good siege server and everyone there is there to to do one thing complete their teams objective by any means. That is where it gets interesting, no rules except no team switching and no sabotage: for example you'er planting mines and a supposed team mate runs thru killing you and clearing a path for the enemy who he is working for. I can't stand that last one, you can always tell if they do it on purpose, because they are always in the same spot when you'er planting your mines. _______________ Consultant, Colossal Entertainment ~Jedi Outcast and Jedi Academy Maps~ |
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Mockran - Ex-Student 
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yes we all get mad at people it does happen, I would like to play you in seige though oh it would be glorious! _______________ Life is Something that Happens when You can't Get to Sleep. Everybody Lies, but it Doesn't Matter Because Nobody Listens. |
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Orion - Retired 
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haha dont you love pubs _______________ When a Man lies he murder's some part of the world. These are the pale deaths which men misscall there lives. All this I cannot bear to witness any longer. Cannot the kingdom of salvation take me home? -Cliff Burton Owner of Smily's 1900th comment | <Lady_Catherine> i love your sexy white socks! | (Lady_Catherine) i adore u! | (Lady_Catherine) onion (Lady_Catherine) i lub u |
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