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Feniks - Student  |
Hi, i got this probleme that whenever i fight a staff user and he starts to lame his butterfly attack i get killed in a matter of seconds, running away is no answer but i can' seem to find a decent counter attack for his butterfly ... im more then open for suggestions cause its kinda irritating, thanks  forever_______________ " The acceptance of others is not a guarantee. Like everyone else a Jedi is accepted or not based on his behavior. The Jedi who believes that he is more important then others only demonstrates that his opinion is to be ignored." ~ Jedi Master Dooku on the subject of Arrogance ~ |
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ExiLe - Ex-Student 
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i usually just crouch and right when hes over me give him hell with my staff _______________ Padawan of Silkmonkey!! SILKY ROCKS!!!Proud Member of the {FOA} -a.k.a SeSShoMaRu |
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Mikel Rider - Student 
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I just.... do a little dance, make a little love, and throw in some gettin down tonight. Na but YOu got some good replys, I use blue lung, barrier, or a very carefully aimed red swing, and the red kata, but the katas hard to do. _______________ Using no way as way. Having no limitation as limitation. |
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Carve - Student 
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A few things. First, for double sabers, the Barrier attack works very nicely, but if you don't kill them on it, you're liable to take more damage than they do. It's best to wait until they do the gliding part of the Butterfly before you use it. As for using lunge, it only works against people who attack with the glide. The more experienced staff users will only use the two hops at the beginning to deal their damage, and it's awful hard to do a lunge against those. Katas do work nicely but, as I said with the double Barrier attack, if you don't kill them with it you're liable to take more damage, which means you should wait for the gliding part of the Butterfly - again, against an experienced staff user that won't work well because the gliding will be used to flee. However, a red kata done at close range on the butterfly's first hop will deal a hefty amount of damage if you try to hit them with the first swings (the spinning ones). After that, try to get the heck out of there or you'll get hit by the glide. As for the staff's saberlock, I tried it and you can't actually use kick during the saberlock. It's just another one of the variable ways to win a saberlock. So, if you lose the saberlock, you lose, and if you win, you win. Just like any other saberlock. Hope this helped! :-) _______________ © |
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Blbell - Ex-Student |
Chopp them to pieces with dual saber barrier _______________ If everyone in the galaxy is strong in the force, most will fall to the dark side |
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CarthOnasii - Ex-Student |
what i do is, when a staff user does butterfly, I back off and let him come forward to me and when its all most done i use the blue lung, it works very well _______________ "The Force is my ally and a powerfull ally it is..." Master Yoda |
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Fizz of Belouve - Student 
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hm, never seen that in action, but then, I havent been playing that much jk3 yet _______________ One of the Belouve boys, founder of the mighty FiZZsters Midbie council #20 - Fizz - #1933 - Jan '03 - Aug '04 "Renfield, you idiot!" |
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Rendar - Student 
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even worse than butterfly laming is the staff has a %100 unblockable saber lock win. All they have to do is kick and you instantly lose and end up on the ground directly in front of within saber reach. Personly i think thats lamer than the butterfly |
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Fizz of Belouve - Student
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yeah, red is cool against butterflies, but kataas are a good answer too _______________ One of the Belouve boys, founder of the mighty FiZZsters Midbie council #20 - Fizz - #1933 - Jan '03 - Aug '04 "Renfield, you idiot!" |
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Drunkenduck - Ex-Student 
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I jump over them roll and stab em in the back _______________ Quack! |
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Wolfwood - Student 
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I found a new counter, on red. Its still in base fase but I managed to do it twice. When someone does it wait till they are in mid-air, Then swing with a right swing and run into them. Timing has to be perfect otherwise youll either die or get hit pretty bad  _______________ ~ Honor is a fool's prize. Glory is of no use to the dead ~ |
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Bail Hope of Belouve - Student 
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yeah _______________ Visit the Belouve Family Website! Quote: I try to have fun with my friends and try to make a difference as best I can. What does making a difference mean? Well, it can be as simple as saying hello, answering a question that seems obvious or heck, just talking. -- Vladarion
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Lackeh- Retired - Student 
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you can butterfly counter, switch to single saber and lunge, or rolling stab them. _______________ A champion is someone who keeps getting up; even when they can't. Founder Of the Jedi Academy Adlut Support Group. PIE!!!!! Padawan of Katan. Brother to MOTREC, DarkDragon, (SKX)DarkBlade, Jacen Aratan, Achilles, Kool_Aide, EvilSquirrel, and Katan's Padawans. |
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Carve - Student
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If you're also using staff, time your own butterfly so that, as they do the gliding spin at the end, you collide with them from your first hop. It's the most effective counter I've seen yet. _______________ © |
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Zoro Kakashi - Ex-Student 
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what stance do you use, best counter is lunge of blue for sure, but even that comes with practice. jump high above, dont run _______________ "When did Noah built the Arc, before the rain, before the rain." |
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Fate - Student 
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Use the single saber blue duck lunge thing (was in jk2 and now in jk3). You stab right up into them. When I first saw this topic I thought it refered to attacking unarmed butterflies! lol Don't lame the butterflies! _______________ I must not fear . Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear . I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain. Gom gom gom gom gom! |
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Apologetic - Student 
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The best way to conter/dodge butter fly: #1.Use a butterfly attack and collide and you will defend and block. #2.Use a roll/stab at the player and 9/10 you will hit or go under them. _______________ Love GOD and jesus as they love u [move]We defend the peace and help the helpless we r the mandilorian jedi troops![/move] |
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Doppelgänger - Student 
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Feniks if I didn't know any better I'd say you need to turn up that mouse speed a bit and learn to use it fast cause I don't have a problem killing a staff user in the middle of a butterfly. Just get to the side of them cause they can't turn easily and just down hack at them in red stance. Jumping helps for an instant kill (headshot). Find that person who spams the butterfly and practice that move over and over again on them until you kill them each and every time with ease. It's that easy. _______________ "Look not back in anger, nor forward in fear But around you in awareness." Ross Hersey |
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YinYang - Ex-Student 
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u know what i just foudn out its NOT only butterlfy that does that its ALSO cartwheel!!! I was dueling True Phate and in the middle of my attack phate does a cartwheel I saw no harm of hit just a simple escape from my attack then I noticed my sheilds and HP go ALLL the way down it killed me in the process to LOL so STOP complianing about staff and complain about other stuff just becareful of those cartwheel to until they REALY nerf theses things _______________ Sister to Smily,Axion,and CT Friend to ALL... SMILY, LUKE,MAGRA,AND KOYI RULE!!!!! . . : :There is ALWAYS 2 Yin and Yang , Good and Evil: : . . |
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Carve - Student
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The downhack is good but, as Dante said, it's very risky. Personally, if you're in red stance, I find the superior choice to be right-strafe+back+attack, timing it so that as they land from their first hop, they hit your lightsaber as it swings upwards. Not only does this swing do as much damage as the downhack does, but because it involves you using the back/strafe buttons, you're already moving out of the way of the butterfly. Furthermore, crouching slows you down. Since you can stand whilst doing this counter, evasion is further simplified. As with any counter, however, it requires practice and good timing. It's a lot easier to just jump over it. _______________ © |
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Mitch - Student 
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I've always just used the side upstroke thingy to counter butterflies, to do it you hit A+S+Attack or D+S+Attack, step off to the side some so you dont get whacked though _______________ Power Preceived, is Power Acheived.' Brother to 3th, Janus, and Vlad. |
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Jaiko D'Kana - Student 
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NOW this is a very difficult move to do, But JainaD'Kana and myself have found out that (if done correctly) The Ydfa is an exellent counter for the butterfly.....it requires alot of timeing and practice, but once you have mastered it, it does a hell of alot of damage..... _______________ The greatest discovery of my generation is that a human being can alter his life by altering his attitudes of mind. William James (1842 - 1910) |
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Janus - Retired 
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Added another post to the Staff vs Red Saber regarding this post _______________ Be honorable, be friendly, be trustworthy. Show respect to all whom you meet. Don't forget you learn when you win AND when you lose. Be the first to admit mistake AND the first to correct it. Be the shoulder for someone to lean on. Always remember those that sacrificed time to help you. Thank you Odan Wei, Vladarion, 3th, Moridin, n00b, Motrec, Faded, Leif, and Tido, you will not be forgotten as the ones to make you remember, it's all about fun... |
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O2B-1Dai - Ex-Student 
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It seems like there's a few ways to defeat a butterfly spammer. Oh, I found another dual saber lock finishing move! Once the click-fest is over, the dual does a quick spinny dual upslash thing while the other blokes just looking fat dumb and happy at ya. Looks kinda funny tho, him just letting ya do it to him hehe _______________ A true friend isn't the one bailing you out of jail, he's the one sitting next to you saying, "Man, that was cool!"
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Dante Valmont - Retired 
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Thats why i said it takes practice. Of course someone who tries this first against some killed like you in the staff taht will aim down with a butterfly might not succeed. But someone who has practice with it and understands when to swing, in a dead fight between the butterfly spinnig after the second hop and a straight down red swing that you crouch at and aim it at them, the swing overpowers the butterfly. So its not really a matter of risk. I didnt say just satand there forever, you hit and then you get out. Its a matter of practice. Good points tho yy. _______________ "A teacher is one who makes himself progressively unnecessary" |
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YinYang - Ex-Student 
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Well ok heres the way I look at it on the chance u actualy get the hit in cause of this cheap random dmg trash u may risk only taking 5-30 hp on a down hack which is COMPLETELY stupid theres no set dmg SO ur way may work but ur running on the risk it'll take the dmg u want it to take cant asume it will take what u want due to this games off dmg scale plus since i use staff mostly i would know moving ur hit towards the floor will attack the person on a crouched position _______________ Sister to Smily,Axion,and CT Friend to ALL... SMILY, LUKE,MAGRA,AND KOYI RULE!!!!! . . : :There is ALWAYS 2 Yin and Yang , Good and Evil: : . . |
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