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(Jedi)Obi-JK - Student  |
Sup, There is another post about Revolutions but the only thing it contains is if/when ppl saw it. This is intended to be the obligatory, give your $0.02. Disappointing. Unlike Reloaded, where I felt the plot was thrown in here and there, so the action made "some" sense, Revolutions actually STARTS out pretty damn good. It quickly tapers off. Over all I think the wachowski brothers new what they were doing, I think they wanted to make 2 deep philosophical sequels, but somewhere their train was derailed. Questions: 1. Wtf is up with entire 1st movie being about freeing minds, and then in the sequels, the freeing of minds is talked about for ONE sentence in each movie. 2. How DID Smith get so powerful? FROM HERE DOWN SPOILERS WILL BE INCLUDED: Was it just me out was trinity death scene just, terrible. Did I miss some huge mind-blowing idea behind the concept of her death??? I understand in the previous 2 movies there were things that eluded to Neo's life being like the life of christ, but damn did it get strong, I beleive in the span of say 5 minutes, his links to the matrix held him like he was on a fucking crusafix. Then he ensetially died for the sins of everyone, and the world was reborn. _______________ Silent Bob (Kevin Smith): You know, there's a million fine looking women in the world, dude. But they don't all bring you lasagna at work. Most of 'em just cheat on you. -Steve (Obi) |
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Dante Valmont - Retired 
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"There was a man born inside the matrix who could do anything he wanted, change anything he could. It was he, who freed the first of us." There were 6 other ones before Neo. What i believe, is that neo did his part of the programming. Zion was destroyed, and the war is over. The matrix rebooted, and there was a little girl inside, who can do anything she wanted..like create a sunrise. What i believe is that the aritect knew neo was going to choose that door,yet he knew the outcome would still be the same. The 1% will be freed again. The girl will die, making humans made at machines and the war will start all over again. In smiths famous words, "It is inevitable." The destruction and rebirth of the matrix is inevitable. Neo fufilled his role, his purpose in ending the war and returning to the source. And the process begins all over again. Everything that has a beginning, has an end. And thus, a rebirth. Neo did exactly what he ws suppossed to do and filled his purpose. He didn't understand why he had to go to the machine world, he knew he had to because it was his purpose. That is what the matrix is all about my friends. _______________ "A teacher is one who makes himself progressively unnecessary" |
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Vasper Ba'xian - Student 
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The first: awsome, made you think. The second: great, made ya think alittle more and the fights were sshhhwweeett. REVOLUTIONS: What a cluster *&#^@*#. I mean C'mon, theres already things in the movie we haven't figured out and they keep throwing sh!t in, even more complicated than the last thing. And how the h@ll can Neo kick a$$ in the matrix and get his butt whooped out side the matrix? I could go more into it, but i really don't feal like it. Only thing i really liked inthe movie, was the war. Now that was awsome. 5 out of 10  _______________ Brother to: Tamal, Kavar, J.D.,Jermia, Devlin, Ulic, Xiabara, Seij,Tarron Mib,>>>ROCK ON  .My Spacescapes art page.My Everything Else art page. MY FAV. Jedi Are: Qui-Gon Jinn, Corran Horn, and Anakin Solo. Unofficial Master to Tamal. and Kavar. Founder of the Wuji Hundun Jian saber style. Proud owner of Tamal's 200th comment!//Proud owner of Refl3x's 300th comment!>>>Proud owner of Tyrant's 800th comment>>>Proud owner of Lucky's 170th comment>>>Proud owner of BDKawika's 444th comment>>>To except Existance is to except Reality.
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JoYkiLLaH - Student 
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I havent seen the movie yet but... perhaps this is what the director was tryin to do? Make us think!..  |
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Garos - Student 
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Everyone seems to have forgotten about the nice sunrise on the morning after it all. The little girl says that she did it for Neo. A few ppl were talking about neo returning. She didn't say she'd see Neo return, she said she'd see the one again. "This is the sixth version. I prefer counting by the emergence of one anomily to the emergence of the next." The function of the one was to go to the source and choose 27 individuals to rebuild Zion after it's defeat. But unlike his predeccessors, he took the door on his left. He ended up dying anyway, but he died in a different way, so MAYBE that means that the next one could be that little girl? |
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Buzz - Student 
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Spoiler I think a lot of people that feel disappointed with movie were expecting something different. They were expecting the humans to win, the matrix to be shut down and all people to free, the machines totally beaten. Its not often that when peace comes in a war that one side is completely and utterly obliterated. As for the Architect. Every program in the Matrix has a purpose. His purpose is to keep the equation balanced. He sees that as the One returning to the source and resetting the Matrix. He doesn't see beyond this because its not his function. I think he actually made Smith become as powerful as he did since Smith was meant to balance out the One. And The Architect was actually pretty close to being right about what would happen if Neo didn't return to the source. Zion was a heartbeat away from destruction. Smith really screwed up the Matrix. If Neo hadn't returned to the Source aka the machine city the architect would have been right. I thought the movie was good. Not totally what I was expecting, but I find it boring if everything goes as you expect. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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Cloaked Thunder - Student 
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doobie - Jedi Council 
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SPOILER.... Just FYI, the matrix already rebooted. that's how everything got repaired from the asskicking the matrix took when neo and smith tore it apart. you actually see everything "changing" back. also, and this may just be my idea, but it seems like the "new" matrix is yet another different form... we never ever saw the sun in the first two movies (and yes, i realize that sati made it happen, but who knows who the hell she is anyway?) _______________ -Academy Leader/Dictator/Defeater of DJ Sith and JACen Solo in the JAK+ Tournament -I do think it (the JA) will help convert dozens, maybe hundreds, to the dork nation... --me |
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Khalek[JAP] - Ex-Student ![Khalek[JAP]](/image_thumbnail.php?f_type=users&f_width=70&f_height=50&f_image=4155.jpg&f_odd=1)
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Naughty Whisper...say SPOILER, missy! Not that it makes a difference in this case, lol, coz I think you're wrong... I don't think the Matrix ever went down...programs live there too, for one thing _______________ Brother to HW and Kyp Durron, padawan of the almiiiighty NFF. Traitor to the family and keeper of the LOLlipops (poisoned and otherwise). Jello's unwanted second cousin. Vladarion's moral lesser http://www.crazyfray.co.uk/home.htm - major update coming soon, yeah right.... £3.00 to be pledged so far to the JA fund... Just type PLEDGE ME UP KHALEK in any interesting post, and if it passes the funkolology test, 50p goes in the kitty... This one's for Jacen... http://www.bash.org/?7838
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Silent Whisper - Retired 
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On the point about the mmorpg: If you read the FAQ it says you play a human INSIDE the matrix and that this game takes place after Revolutions. So somewhere down the line the matrix is rebooted again. _______________ "I have learned from Vergere only that there is no such thing as sides of the Force....for the side is merely a reflection of your intentions of the Force. Use it in hate, and it will be hate. Use it offensively in good, and you will find my Truth." -Jacen Solo, "Traitor", New Jedi Order |
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Plo Koon - Student 
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my thoughts.. SPOILER BELOW Trinity did her part-she gave her life to aid neo,remember before in the second movie when neo was talking to the architect,before the other "ones" were not in love and took the other door so trinity's part was to get neo that far to drive him to the machine city and do her part. _______________ Free Tibet! Click this link,and learn Here too |
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Khalek[JAP] - Ex-Student ![Khalek[JAP]](/image_thumbnail.php?f_type=users&f_width=70&f_height=50&f_image=4155.jpg)
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Me liked. LOL, I wasn't a massive fan of the first film (unlike most....sigh), tho it was alright. The last two upped the ante both in terms of plot, symbolism and action for me. Third beats second beats first in my book...and I think it'll be the same with LotR for me....tTT beat FotR hands down as it didn't need to set the scene any more...../amhighjackthread 1... SPOILER ALERT - WOOWAAAWOOOOOOOOOO  Whoever said about the machines seem capable of lying (well, you actually said laying, but you probably type twice as fast as me ...I'm slooooow)...I'd have said the opposite.The Architect cannot see past a decision he cannot understand...as with anyone....and could he have possibly understood the peace to come with the humans at that moment? Let me put that another way; when giving the choice of two doors to Neo at the end of Reloaded, I would have thoguht that he could...forsee ....much of the action in Revolutions. However, he certainly would not have been able to see all of it, particularly the peace - it's too ground-breaking. So from that point of view, it's a reasonable assumption to make that things will go as they have done 5 times before. YOu can therefore say that he ain't necessarily lying there...this may sound tenuous, but I lean towards the Oracle's viewpoint on that...that guy ain't playing with a full deck BTW...the point thatthe Architect makes about not being human is more of a symbolic moral attack on human nature. We lie, cheat, steal and kill. Sometimes in the same day (I shouldn't joke, but I can't help it ). A machine cannot do anything but follow it's programming. That's all MOST of the machines do - I'd argue it's only the more complex machines that have the AI that causes all the problems (Animatrix). How can we blame the machines for ANY of the action in the Matrix Trilogy? Given the human race initiated the war, the machines then considered us a threat in reaction to this. Like an automatic defence system... Therefore i'm pretty sure that unless the situation changes dramatically (like if Smith has infected the Architect at the end, lol) then Mr Machine will keep his word...he is incapable of being THAT human... _______________ Brother to HW and Kyp Durron, padawan of the almiiiighty NFF. Traitor to the family and keeper of the LOLlipops (poisoned and otherwise). Jello's unwanted second cousin. Vladarion's moral lesser http://www.crazyfray.co.uk/home.htm - major update coming soon, yeah right.... £3.00 to be pledged so far to the JA fund... Just type PLEDGE ME UP KHALEK in any interesting post, and if it passes the funkolology test, 50p goes in the kitty... This one's for Jacen... http://www.bash.org/?7838
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Cloaked Thunder - Student
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************SPOILER**************** Obi, about Trinity. Remember the machines were at peace afterwards. Trinity could easily have fixed the ship and made her way back to zion. Smily, I also believe that NEO isn't "dead". I believe he will be back somehow. I'm still pissed about trinity tho! Damn I lub her!  _______________ Padawan of ShadowSith | Close JA Family: Darth Mobility, Katan, Jedi Prodigy, Virtue,D@rth M@ul, Virtue, Flash, Bandit, Yin Yang, JK-XIII, Faded, Silk Monkey, Skyler, `Orion, Aratan, SmilyKrazy, Faded Angel, and your mom | woot!
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(Jedi)Obi-JK - Student 
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Sup, ***********SPOILER(S)*********************** Neo "IS" dead he is christ, he "died for our sins" and what u may not realize is that, THAT IS only way they can leave it open for more if they would like, (ok no the only but the best way to make more sequels) remeber according to the bible christ died on the cross, and was re-born, so technically if they want Neo could rise from the dead, just like christ did in the bible. _______________ Silent Bob (Kevin Smith): You know, there's a million fine looking women in the world, dude. But they don't all bring you lasagna at work. Most of 'em just cheat on you. -Steve (Obi) |
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Jacen Aratan - Student |
Jello-> And the Oracle says about the Architecht; "we might not be able to look beyond our own choices, but that man can't look beyond anything" (or something like that, I have sucky memory). I take that as the Architecht being a very bad psychic, who shouldn't quit his day job for the crystal ball. But of course that happened in Revolutions, so you couldn't know. This comment was edited by Jacen Aratan on Nov 07 2003 03:05pm. |
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Ulic Belouve - Student 
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What I think on the little girl: The equation still has to be balanced. There still needs to be the potential for another ONE. That's what I think. I think you will see something sometime, where he is still around, perhaps not visibly, etc. It seems like the second coming of Christ. He's out there, but won't come back until it is all over. But that's my thoughts. _______________ Jedi do not fight for peace. That's only a slogan, and is as misleading as slogans always are. Jedi fight for civilization, because only civilization creates peace. |
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Plo Koon - Student
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oh and i dont think there will be another matrix-there is peace the war is over. _______________ Free Tibet! Click this link,and learn Here too |
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Plo Koon - Student 
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Neo is part human and part machine like jesus was part god part human. and in the end of the movie when the chanting music was playing it means PEACE is sanscrit _______________ Free Tibet! Click this link,and learn Here too |
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Orion - Retired 
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ya they left it open for the Matrix MMORPG _______________ When a Man lies he murder's some part of the world. These are the pale deaths which men misscall there lives. All this I cannot bear to witness any longer. Cannot the kingdom of salvation take me home? -Cliff Burton Owner of Smily's 1900th comment | <Lady_Catherine> i love your sexy white socks! | (Lady_Catherine) i adore u! | (Lady_Catherine) onion (Lady_Catherine) i lub u |
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YinYang - Ex-Student 
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Yea keanu DID say they left it open for more witch meens ither another animatrix or sumhin along those lines _______________ Sister to Smily,Axion,and CT Friend to ALL... SMILY, LUKE,MAGRA,AND KOYI RULE!!!!! . . : :There is ALWAYS 2 Yin and Yang , Good and Evil: : . . |
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Smilykrazy - Retired 
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******SPOILER BELOW****** Ok Koyi had a very good thought. Did u notice that the last time they show neo they show that view that he was seeing during the whole movie with all the energy glowing yellow. Well when neo is supposively dead, according to that view he still had alot of energy flowing through him. I dont think he is dead. He was glowing BRIGHT YELLOW!! I think he is in a state of comatose. The oracle even mentioned that she suspected she would be seeing him again. Koyi and I believe that there will be another animatrix or something like that to answer some more questions. But i truly believe that Neo is alive! Thoughts? _______________ RIP MOM 06/29/58-07/31/08 Married to Koyi Donita 4/30/11 This comment was edited by Smilykrazy on Nov 07 2003 06:19am. |
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YinYang - Ex-Student
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ok let me sum up Revalutions ina QUICK SEC Ok long awaited thing THINKING it will answer a BUNCHA questions or reveling alot of stuff.but instead NO they didnt do that they left it half empty  so in short Revalutions is JUST liek JK3 ud expected sumthing WAY better from the last 1 but instead u get ALREADY done work and so newly added crap WOW thats so ANNOYING _______________ Sister to Smily,Axion,and CT Friend to ALL... SMILY, LUKE,MAGRA,AND KOYI RULE!!!!! . . : :There is ALWAYS 2 Yin and Yang , Good and Evil: : . . |
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Jello` - Student 
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About the Architect thing. I dont believe you can trust anything he says. In Reloaded, he says that if he goes through the door to save Trinity, he cannot save her, and his race will die. Yet, he DOES save her... but his race dosent die... does that leave space for revolutions? What if he was wrong about the past too? I, myself, havent seen Revolutions yet (Yes I know I'm stupid for posting here), but I probably wont see it until it comes out on DVD. _______________ Brady Brothers: Orion-Greg, Furi0us-Peter, Me-Bobby. Long lost cousin to Flash. Midbie Council #007. Ex-JAK. This comment was edited by Jello` on Nov 07 2003 12:21am. |
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(Jedi)Obi-JK - Student
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Sup, ***********SPOILERS************* This is just answering some questions for Cloaked Thunder. These answers are MY interpretation of the movie. I think she died cause it would have been alot of work for her NOT to die. She had no ship, Neo dies, and how would she get back to Zion, call em on her cell phone, stay at the hilton in the mean time? I do toss around the idea, that now it was Neo truely having to do this "on his own" but that she died wasnt the big deal, its HOW bad her death scene was. I mean she just laid there giving a retarded speach that made me want to shoot her to ME out of my misery. Yes Neo is dead, the end of the movie ( in the Real World ) he dies like Jesus dies on the cross for everyones "sins" and for he accomplished by his sacrifice, there is peace. About Smith, think of this like a Marovigian(sp) causality. Supposibly everything in the universe has something to balance it, (i.e. think about breathing oxygen, exhaling CO2, then plants intake CO2 and provide oxygen, this is a simple example of a balanced equation) Smith balanced Neo, Neither one could ever "kill" the other, Smith beats on Neo knocks off his glasses, gives him a bloody lip, a min later Neo does the same thing to him. I guess if it came down to it they would both die of exhaustion at the exact same time. What happen in turn is that Neo came to an understanding of what would happen if Smith "assimalated" him. Smith on the other hand was very confused, because he could not see past the decision he didnt understand. When the architect and the Oracle talk at the end and he says "how long do u expect this peace to last" he is speaking of the peace treaty between the machines and the humans. I am unaware what the machines will do now, but the humans will obviously rebuild thier city, (Xion or above ground) I myself am not to sure about the little girl, I thought maybe she is there help show the "connection" machines or programs can gain/have for one another. As for the architect saying "what do you think I am human." I have noticed that the AI in matrix (the oracle seraph maravingian, the architect, etc) do appear capable of laying. So when he says those who wish to be will be freed, I have no clue why the oracle would doubt him, but she does, maybe someone else can add ot this????? About the ppl who will be "freed," again I was unclear on this, but I read something along these lines and it sounds good enough for me. All the ppl in the matrix will not actually be let out. The archtect states that 99% of the population will accept the matrix, the remaining 1% will now be freed when they choose, the rebels in Xion will not have the "break them out." The reason Neo dies and the oracle does not, because, the oracle isnt bound by the same laws as Neo, according to the laws givin about human in the Matrix, if your mind goes so does your physical body. Well the oracle really ahs neither, she is some very advanced AI, and when the matrix is reloaded, at the end when Neo dies for everyone, so is the oracle reloaded, imho. _______________ Silent Bob (Kevin Smith): You know, there's a million fine looking women in the world, dude. But they don't all bring you lasagna at work. Most of 'em just cheat on you. -Steve (Obi) This comment was edited by (Jedi)Obi-JK on Nov 06 2003 10:15pm. |
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Jacen Aratan - Student |
[Spoiler] I had no problem with Trinity dying. To me she was a general pain in the a**. Imho, too bad it didn't happen in Reloaded. |
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Cloaked Thunder - Student 
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Obi, I was on the edge of my seat bro. Right along with every1 else in the theatre. _______________ Padawan of ShadowSith | Close JA Family: Darth Mobility, Katan, Jedi Prodigy, Virtue,D@rth M@ul, Virtue, Flash, Bandit, Yin Yang, JK-XIII, Faded, Silk Monkey, Skyler, `Orion, Aratan, SmilyKrazy, Faded Angel, and your mom | woot!
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