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Nov 12 2003 12:50pm

Daidalus[JAP] Fisto
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Daidalus[JAP] Fisto
here a little riddle, made by Daidalus :D You can solve it with pure logic :D

On a planet far away lives 2 kinds of aliens. blue and red ones. and there lives a philosopher alien who is very strange. He makes in his hole life only 2 assertions:

1. All what i say is a lie.
2. I am blue.

Which color has that alien? The answer is not only the color, explenation is needed here. Ant there are no tricks like hes is violet :P

have a lot of dun!

Greetz,
daid
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Nov 18 2003 02:37am

Sindweller
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 Sindweller

agreed agreed!!!!
but i still not quite understand
;)
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Nov 18 2003 02:32am

Vasper Ba'xian
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 Vasper Ba'xian

its a paradox.
if he says that all he says is a lie...than that can be a lie. so he would be telling the truth,but that goes back to to him lying.
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Nov 16 2003 10:55pm

Smilykrazy
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 Smilykrazy

AHHHH Ok i kinda get it now. Math has always been my worst subject!! LOL! Thank you bandit!!

BANDIT RULES!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D
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Nov 16 2003 10:02am

Bandit
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 Bandit

Smily... you asked "Why would a person from the truth telling city say that the lying telling city is the truth telling city?" He wouldn't because that would be a lie. If you reread the question I posed, it is actually the truth teller saying what the liar would say (Which city would a person from the lying city say is the truth telling city?).

The whole purpose it to create a positive answer from both parties. Think of it in math terminology... a negative times a negative is a positive and a positive times a positive is a positive. The question above creates a scenerio in which the liar is lying about lying, and therefore saying the same thing as a truth teller. Hope that clarified it a bit more. :)
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Nov 16 2003 08:40am

Smilykrazy
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 Smilykrazy

ummmm question bandit. Why would a person from the truth telling city say that the lying telling city is the truth telling city? That doesnt make sense to me. They would have to say truth telling city for it to be the truth. :eek:
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Nov 16 2003 08:38am

Smilykrazy
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 Smilykrazy

BANDIT RULES!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D
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Nov 13 2003 06:13pm

Daidalus[JAP] Fisto
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 Daidalus[JAP] Fisto

damn you bandid! youre right again !! :P wanted to ask the same :P
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Sir Daidalus Fisto. Official Historian of Nippledom and server to Menaxia, Queen of Nippledom Quote:
fiZZe: "gdamubububugmgmgububugrrrrrdsa?"


Nov 13 2003 12:42pm

Bandit
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 Bandit

DarkSith, here is what I would ask:

Which city would a person from the lying city say is the truth telling city?

If the person is from the lying city, he would lie and point towards the lying city. If the person were from the truth telling city, they would answer honestly and point towards the lying city. Either way, you now know which city is the lying city (and therefore the other one must be the truth telling city):)
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Nov 13 2003 03:07am

Ashyr
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 Ashyr

Aww man! I'm good w/ brain teasers, I wish I got to that one quicker. Makes since though.......................

I've got one: (kinda like the last but a variation.)

If there are two towns, one city everyone tells the truth. The other, everyone lies. You come to the fork in the road, but you don't know which way to get to the "Truth Telling City". You meet some people from one of the cities, but you don't know which one.

What is the one question that you can ask to find the "Truth Telling City"?
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This comment was edited by Ashyr on Nov 13 2003 03:08am.

Nov 13 2003 02:37am

Flash
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 Flash

Awww, I knew that one too. Stupid Bandit posted before me.:P

Nov 12 2003 11:34pm

bluntaxe
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 bluntaxe

...your kidding right?

Nov 12 2003 11:32pm

crazy_hacker
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 crazy_hacker

whoa... assertion is said way too many times here for my simple mind lol
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Nov 12 2003 07:54pm

D@RtHM@UL
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 D@RtHM@UL

Good Job Bandit ;)

Nov 12 2003 05:58pm

Daidalus[JAP] Fisto
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 Daidalus[JAP] Fisto

clap clap clap clap clap to badit!! You got it!!!

:D
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Sir Daidalus Fisto. Official Historian of Nippledom and server to Menaxia, Queen of Nippledom Quote:
fiZZe: "gdamubububugmgmgububugrrrrrdsa?"


Nov 12 2003 04:30pm

Battlin' Billy
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 Battlin' Billy

I don't make a habit of teasing my brain, it's got a short temper and will get mad at me and leave!
:D

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Nov 12 2003 03:19pm

Bandit
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 Bandit

"wow bandid, you are realy good. you got it to 95% but you forgot the fact that he makes only 2 assertions in his life"

You're right. I did forget that he only made two assertions his entire life. That would necessitate that the second assertion would have to be the truth in order for him to meet the condition of sometimes telling the truth and sometimes lying. Since the first assertion must be a lie, and he can neither tell the truth all the time or lie all the time, then the second assertion must be the truth. Otherwise he would have told two lies and all he had ever said would be false, thereby making the first statement the truth and creating another contradiction.
Therefore, he is blue. :D
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This comment was edited by Bandit on Nov 12 2003 03:20pm.

Nov 12 2003 01:49pm

Bail Hope of Belouve
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 Bail Hope of Belouve

Yeah, okay
Let me think
...
Impossible to know, isn't it?
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Nov 12 2003 01:48pm

Daidalus[JAP] Fisto
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 Daidalus[JAP] Fisto

maybe statement would be better ...
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Sir Daidalus Fisto. Official Historian of Nippledom and server to Menaxia, Queen of Nippledom Quote:
fiZZe: "gdamubububugmgmgububugrrrrrdsa?"


Nov 12 2003 01:48pm

Daidalus[JAP] Fisto
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 Daidalus[JAP] Fisto

hmm: translator:

assertion die Aussage
conclusion die Aussage
declaration die Aussage
declarative Aussage- die Aussage
information die Aussage
predication die Aussage
proposition die Aussage
statement die Aussage
testimony die Aussage
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Founder of the Fisto Family -|- Member of the mighty FiZZsters!! -|- Owner of the second Bail prize for "BAIL RULES!!" -|- I'll never forget you Jaina! -|- Owner of the one and only autograph of Smily -|- SMILY RULES :) -|- Owner of the 1000th Comment of the great Kueller -|- Big brother to NarCosT Fisto, and ShadowFax . -|- Proud Padawan of Kueller -|-
Sir Daidalus Fisto. Official Historian of Nippledom and server to Menaxia, Queen of Nippledom Quote:
fiZZe: "gdamubububugmgmgububugrrrrrdsa?"


Nov 12 2003 01:46pm

Bail Hope of Belouve
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 Bail Hope of Belouve

question for ya ppl
what the heck is an assertion?:D
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Nov 12 2003 01:45pm

Daidalus[JAP] Fisto
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 Daidalus[JAP] Fisto

wow bandid, you are realy good. you got it to 95%
but you forgot the fact that he makes only 2 assertions in his life :D

greetz,
daid
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Founder of the Fisto Family -|- Member of the mighty FiZZsters!! -|- Owner of the second Bail prize for "BAIL RULES!!" -|- I'll never forget you Jaina! -|- Owner of the one and only autograph of Smily -|- SMILY RULES :) -|- Owner of the 1000th Comment of the great Kueller -|- Big brother to NarCosT Fisto, and ShadowFax . -|- Proud Padawan of Kueller -|-
Sir Daidalus Fisto. Official Historian of Nippledom and server to Menaxia, Queen of Nippledom Quote:
fiZZe: "gdamubububugmgmgububugrrrrrdsa?"


Nov 12 2003 01:34pm

Bandit
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 Bandit

There is no way to know. The first statement cannot be true because that would be a contradiction. Therefore, he must be lying about everything he says being a lie. Since we now know that not everything he says is true, nor is everyting he says false,it is determined that he must sometimes tell the truth and sometimes lie.
Which means that there is no way to know whether he is lying in the second statement or not. Are you sure you didn't leave something out?
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Nov 12 2003 01:24pm

joca_bt
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 joca_bt

He is red... cuz he says that everything he says is a lie.
But he can also be blue because he says that everything that he says is a lie, so when he says: "All what i say is a lie" he is lying, so he can be blue too.
:P:P:P
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