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BigBabyJesus - ex-Student  |
Ok, this is the deal. 20 some-odd years ago (1978) my aunt, who was 13 at the time, was brutally murdered by 2 teenagers because she "got on their nerves." They stabbed her 22 times, slit her throat, and then ran over her with a car as they left. The two teens were caught and sentenced to life in prison without possibility of parole. Now, our state governor (Governor Ehrlich of Baltimore, MD) has decided to reduce the sentence of one of the "damned" to 45 yrs. My grandmother received a call about it last week and since then we've contacted every news station AND America's Most Wanted's John Walsch, to try and stop this event from happening. Another part of this "protest" goes towards Ehrlich's secretion regaurding the subject. There's a lot more to say about the matter that I won't beable to fit here so go to "http://www.sunspot.net/news/local/crime/bal-md.murder14nov14,0,4745265.story?coll=bal-local-headlines" (<-- must add rest, auto link won't.) Please feel free to give me your input on the subject. Tell me if you think the girl should be freed after 25 years. Would you want her to be if it was your family? Do you think she has had enough time to rehabilitate or is she socially screwed for life? Please give me your input and your responses may apear on the news, taking this matter to a whole new level.  _______________ If birth was then, life is now and death will be, then why do I put up with so much sh!t? What, you never heard of me? That's cuz you stupid, yo. This post was edited by BigBabyJesus on Nov 14 2003 03:03pm. |
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Rei D'Kana - Ex-Student |
I am really very sorry to hear that happened, Here are my 2 cents: When it comes to such a way of violence (useless brutal stupid violence) I have my own personal experience with that so I say lock them up for life... This comment was edited by Rei D'Kana on Nov 15 2003 08:58am. |
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Gentleman Loser - Ex-Student 
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Of course everyone makes mistakes when they are young. Things like petty theft, underage drinking, drug use, even violent behaviour such as the classic drunken brawl. None of these things suggest a person could be a danger to society for the rest of their natural lives. Brutal, pre-meditated and sadistic murder, coupled with a seeming complete lack of remorse, on the other hand would seem to suggest that that person is very likely to be a mortal danger to others for the rest of their natural lives. Someone who has once displayed behaviour that extreme, has something very very wrong with them. And I've seen no evidence that being locked up for 20 odd years with other violent criminals, would do anything to reform them. In cases like this, life should mean life. Unless solid evidence comes to light that exhonerates the convicted party, they should never again be allowed to join decent society. The risk is just too great. I don't agree with capital punishment thuogh, for 2 basic reasons: 1. Mistakes do happen, even when all the evidence seems to point to a convicts guilt. 2. Morally, the state has no more right to kill someone than anyone else. Life really is too precious. But locking up people so they can never be a danger to others again ? I'm all for that. I'm even happy about having to pay for their upkeep out of my taxes if it'll prevent further un-necessary loss of life. BBJ, I'm truly, truly sorry to hear that your family has been through such a horrific time and hope with all my heart that this moster remains where she belongs. Behind bars. Best wishes GL _______________ "I am become death, the destroyer of worlds" Bhagavad Gita & J. Robert Oppenheimer This comment was edited by Gentleman Loser on Nov 15 2003 01:45am. |
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DarkSider - Student 
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First of all, i really want to tell how sorry I am about your loss. I have never lost a loved person through a crime, or an accident. This shouldn't happen to anyone. I really understand your anger and frustration. But nevertheless i have to remind all peeps who have posted before me, that the we are still talking about humans, humans that have convicted a horrible crime, but nevertheless humans. No human should be killed by another human. Neither BBJs aunt nor her murderers. Killing the guilty just lowers you to their level. This goes to all of you people who called for the electric chair. "Eye for an eye.." isn't the solution. Vasper, of course inmates cost the state quite a lot, but always be aware that you are talking about humans, and not an animal. I have to admit that I have no idea what kinda person this woman is like, but in my voluntary social service year, i saw how imprisonment can change some peoples mind. They are simply not the same anymore, and they do deserve a second chance, always keeping in mind that there are people who don't change their mind in prison at all. You have to decide from case to case and Idon't think that your governor is gonna grant her parole for fun. It said somewhere in the article that she has never apologised to your family. This is indeed a very disturbing fact. But imagine you making a mistake as a teenager that will affect your whole life, would it be easy to look in the eyes of the relatives of your victim and say sorry? I would recommend that you take this opportunity to relief your family from this weight and look for somekind of contact to her, to give her the chance to apologize and to give your family the chance to let the whole rest in peace. I'm not religious myself but sometimes you have to forgive and your family has to finally deal with the loss and get rid of all the anger and hate. Otherwise the hate will kinda haunt your whole family for generations. I do not ask you to understand my opinion, i just want you to think about what i said... If you want to discuss this topic deeper, leave me a message on my profile and we will find a way.. Peace _______________ I know the pieces fit, 'cause i watched them fall away... This comment was edited by DarkSider on Nov 15 2003 12:36am. |
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Jake Kainite - Student 
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Geez man sorry to hear that. My opinion, to be honest, I would have to meet these people to be able to judge if they are 'sorry' and regret it. _______________ Apprenctice of Jedi Master Ascari (deceased) Descended from a line of great Jedi Will argue any point of view from any side 
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Bail Hope of Belouve - Student 
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is that reply posted as a reply to me, Legolian? Or is it a reply to this forum? _______________ Visit the Belouve Family Website! Quote: I try to have fun with my friends and try to make a difference as best I can. What does making a difference mean? Well, it can be as simple as saying hello, answering a question that seems obvious or heck, just talking. -- Vladarion
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DONT _______________ AHH YOU ARE ALL NICE LADS |
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Bail Hope of Belouve - Student
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Let's start an offical petition shall we? If someone could look up how many autographs we need, we might have a chance of stopping it Anyway, you Have my signature Bail Hope aka Steven Lemmens _______________ Visit the Belouve Family Website! Quote: I try to have fun with my friends and try to make a difference as best I can. What does making a difference mean? Well, it can be as simple as saying hello, answering a question that seems obvious or heck, just talking. -- Vladarion
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Jacen Aratan - Student |
That is just bs. Letting a psychopath go on the loose? :/ I'm sorry, BBJ. |
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BigBabyJesus - Ex-Student 
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........They let her go. I can't f*cking believe it he signed the f*cking papers and he's f*cking letting her go. WTF?!?!?!?!?!?!? I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW CAN HE DO THAT?!?!?! What the f*ck is going through his mind I....WTF?!?!?!?! I can't believe the world is THAT messed up. I can't take it anymore...it's too much for me. Goodbye everyone. _______________ If birth was then, life is now and death will be, then why do I put up with so much sh!t? What, you never heard of me? That's cuz you stupid, yo. |
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SwordMaster - Ex-Student 
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No, I think, they shouldnt get the electric chair, because when i could choose betwenn that and jail for my whole life till i die, i would choose the electric chair do you know rudolf hess, he was hitlers locum, he got prison for his whole life when he was, dunno, perhaps about 40 years old, and he got jail for his whole remaining life, WITHOUT or almoust without any contact to friends or other people outside! i think he was allowed to get visitors every 2 - 3 months for a few minutes! and he didnt have the possibility to kill himself, cause he was guarded by watchmans all the time. when he was ~ 80 he managed to kill himself with the cable of a radiator. this should show, that many people would choose beeing dead before beeing arrested for their whole life, and thats what i would give such cruel murderers, prison till the end of their life, without any contact to frinds etc. i really hope you and your family get justice _______________ Ride... die... sacrife! I'm the bloody hand of tytans, when...when demons awake! |
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Buzz - Student 
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Probably a Democrat. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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BigBabyJesus - Ex-Student 
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Man, why doesn't our Governor see things the way we all do? Shouldn't that be the whole reason we elected him? _______________ If birth was then, life is now and death will be, then why do I put up with so much sh!t? What, you never heard of me? That's cuz you stupid, yo. |
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koushka - Student 
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First, my condolences on your loss. I am truly sorry this happened. I am not sure how to phrase this idea about how I feel people change after taking another's life. But, somehow I think that people who due it out of spite, anger or "getting on our nerves" have down right serious social issues. They should never be allowed back in society. Something in their head is wrong to think that killing someone is going to solve their problems. Fight it as hard as you can and every way possible. I suggest trying to find poloticians in the gov's own party higher up on the pecking order to give him some pressure. Write a letter everyday to the gov. Instead of writing letters go face to face. Organize demonstations outside his mansion to protest this ridiculious idea. Fight it you can do it. If you need something give me a hollar I will gladly help in any way I am able. good luck, Red Deer _______________ Faithful Padawan of {SKX}Dark Blade My profile pic is luke skywalker 
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Jacen Aratan - Student |
I don't believe in second chances for that kind of people, and I certainly don't have mercy or sympathy with them. Let her stay in there. A VERY long time. |
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Buzz - Student
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That article also sounded like she has never really expressed remorse or apologized for what happens. Should you really let someone free that doesn't seem like they have learned anything? _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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CuZzA - Student 
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i hope u and ur family get justice _______________ - Even if Carlsberg made "w*nkers", Christiano Ronaldo would still be the biggest "w*nker" in the world |
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BigBabyJesus - Ex-Student
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Talk some harsh words 3th. Don't ever run for President lol. In case any of you read the article on it, it says that the girl claimed she didn't know what the boy was doing and was too scared to stop him, but while in custody of the police she had a letter sent to the boy telling him to say that they were on PCP at the time of the murder. That doesn't seem like she was too scared now does it? It's cool though 2 other news stations called us today and my mom has an interview with both of them so we should be able to get the message to everyone. _______________ If birth was then, life is now and death will be, then why do I put up with so much sh!t? What, you never heard of me? That's cuz you stupid, yo. |
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3th - Retired 
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that's an incredibly unfortunate reality of the nature of some humans. sad to think that teenagers could do something like that; and that similar things happen every day in the world. i would like to think that somehow these kids could be reformed and turned into decent humans, but after such a cruel act, i don't know that there would be any hope. and i know for damn sure sticking them in a traditional prison isn't going to do a lot to help make them better people. if you take a life in such a cruel and intentional manner, then your life should become forfeit. maybe not death, but a life of slavery where your wretched soul can suffer while your body is put to some productive use. i guess there is a chance the woman deserves another chance after 25 years, but i don't know enough about the situation to really say. i think you'd have to meet the person to really judge them. _______________ this is the internet, be serious damn it! This comment was edited by 3th on Nov 14 2003 05:07pm. |
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BigBabyJesus - Ex-Student
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Your dad was right. Baltimore is THE worse place to raise a kid...obviously. If you live in Baltimore and want to have kids, leave first! It's not worth it. _______________ If birth was then, life is now and death will be, then why do I put up with so much sh!t? What, you never heard of me? That's cuz you stupid, yo. |
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Vasper Ba'xian - Student 
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I was born in Baltimore btw. Now I know why my dad got us out! _______________ Brother to: Tamal, Kavar, J.D.,Jermia, Devlin, Ulic, Xiabara, Seij,Tarron Mib,>>>ROCK ON  .My Spacescapes art page.My Everything Else art page. MY FAV. Jedi Are: Qui-Gon Jinn, Corran Horn, and Anakin Solo. Unofficial Master to Tamal. and Kavar. Founder of the Wuji Hundun Jian saber style. Proud owner of Tamal's 200th comment!//Proud owner of Refl3x's 300th comment!>>>Proud owner of Tyrant's 800th comment>>>Proud owner of Lucky's 170th comment>>>Proud owner of BDKawika's 444th comment>>>To except Existance is to except Reality.
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BigBabyJesus - Ex-Student
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Thank you all so much for understanding the situation. Wish we elected one of you as governor. I guarantee this will be his last year in office if this "plot" falls through. _______________ If birth was then, life is now and death will be, then why do I put up with so much sh!t? What, you never heard of me? That's cuz you stupid, yo. |
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D@RtHM@UL - Student 
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No, those people shouldn't be let free on the streets again imo. |
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Vasper Ba'xian - Student 
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You shouldn't even have to post a forum like this because those 2 should of had a bullet in the head after they were convicted. I have no pity for people like that and would definitly have no mercy on them if I were the law. No sitting in jail for years and years, costing tax payers $30,000+ a year. 1 9mm handgun $500.00 2 bullets $2.00 clean up crew $200.00 Putting bullets into the heads of murderers PRICELESS _______________ Brother to: Tamal, Kavar, J.D.,Jermia, Devlin, Ulic, Xiabara, Seij,Tarron Mib,>>>ROCK ON .My Spacescapes art page.My Everything Else art page. MY FAV. Jedi Are: Qui-Gon Jinn, Corran Horn, and Anakin Solo. Unofficial Master to Tamal. and Kavar. Founder of the Wuji Hundun Jian saber style. Proud owner of Tamal's 200th comment!//Proud owner of Refl3x's 300th comment!>>>Proud owner of Tyrant's 800th comment>>>Proud owner of Lucky's 170th comment>>>Proud owner of BDKawika's 444th comment>>>To except Existance is to except Reality.
This comment was edited by Vasper Ba'xian on Nov 14 2003 03:19pm. |
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Bail Hope of Belouve - Student 
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My god! They should get the electric chair they really should _______________ Visit the Belouve Family Website! Quote: I try to have fun with my friends and try to make a difference as best I can. What does making a difference mean? Well, it can be as simple as saying hello, answering a question that seems obvious or heck, just talking. -- Vladarion
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