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Rahn del Sol - Student  |
I'm just wondering what people tend to think of full-force fighting in JKII?
Most of the people I've encountered here at JA have been very averse to it. "It's all cheap", they may say, or it "requires no skill". No-force saber duels, I hear, are where all the REAL skill is found. I'll be honest, when I join the JA servers, it's fun for a while...but here's only so many no-force duels a guy can take before he starts to fall asleep! I've had a couple of "success stories"...a player here and there who I've turned to the dark side of using the force...ANY force...and they've found it to be fun. Turned out they just didn't really know how/when to use their powers, and were used to getting slapped around on public servers. So, they went strictly no-force, where their wild saber swinging might occasionally net them a kill. But after showing them how, when, and why to use the force, and getting them to actually try being more precise with their swings, they've actually improved and liked what they found they could do. So my question is, what's everyone else's reason? I have so much difficulty getting people to fight me with force powers, why is everyone so resistant? It's not just JA servers, I even joined a duel server where one guy told me that I was "alternatively oriented in my sexual preferences" for liking force duels, because only no-skill "alternatively oriented people" played with force powers  _______________ http://steamcommunity.com/id/citizen059 This post was edited by Rahn del Sol on Dec 20 2002 10:37pm. |
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Aeth S'kray - Retired 
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but who would use lighting or grip on somebody with absorb?  you can hear it for miles... or use drain to "test" it.
btw, what i forgot, drain is useless for offence since v1.4 it takes less that you use! after a full drain, you are lower on energy than your enemy! but i found out that it can be very annoying if you continue fireing small bursts of drain to keep your enemy low... it's pretty lame though _______________ Aeth S'kray *June 2002 +September 2003 |
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MINDofSIN - Student 
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I found out the hard way not to jump in ctf_bespin thinking absorb will protect you. _______________ Jedi Academy Holocron http://jaholocron.ryanmh.com/ Why should our government send our soldiers to foreign soil to protect freedom of speech, when our freedom of speech is being taking away everyday by the same government. |
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Rahn del Sol - Student 
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Yes, if you have absorb on, and someone hits you with lightning, your force mana level will increase. If someone uses Grip, and you flip on Absorb, it'll charge your mana back to full almost instantly.
Your mana will also increase a little if you have absorb on, and they use push or pull. Your mana will NOT increase if they use drain, but you will prevent them from gaining health. Absorb nullifies or lessens the effect of all force powers. If someone uses push/pull, you will still stop in your tracks if running, but you won't move toward them, fall down, or get shoved off a ledge. _______________ http://steamcommunity.com/id/citizen059 |
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MINDofSIN - Student
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Absorb puts both players on level ground. Switch on the saber and hope you're better than them. _______________ Jedi Academy Holocron http://jaholocron.ryanmh.com/ Why should our government send our soldiers to foreign soil to protect freedom of speech, when our freedom of speech is being taking away everyday by the same government. |
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Jedi Al Khalaas - Student 
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I tend to stick to Light Side Absorb, so as to level the playing field.
I am not sure we gain strength from Absorb though. Do we? |
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Demon - Student 
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The reason people think that full force duels are lame, because mostly people use skills like grip or drain which is anoying, because all the people on normal servers use the dark side, not light, so they can't defend themseles. Then they start to think that saber skills are the most important in jk2. That's why they hate full force duels. (Ihope someone understans anything of this  ) _______________ Quote: Peace is a lie, there is only passion. Through passion I gain strength. Through strength I gain power. Through power I gain victory. Through victory my chains are broken. The Force will free me. -The Code of The Sith
This comment was edited by Demon on Dec 29 2002 04:37am. |
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MINDofSIN - Student 
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As a newer player, I would definately say the Light side is easier to use. _______________ Jedi Academy Holocron http://jaholocron.ryanmh.com/ Why should our government send our soldiers to foreign soil to protect freedom of speech, when our freedom of speech is being taking away everyday by the same government. |
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Darth Revan - Ex-Student 
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I think ff duals require skill. You have to have knowledge of the force and know how to use it as part of your combos (at least I like to follow up my saber attacks with some sort of power) and ways to counter it. _______________ formally known as jedi master, vanished and returned as the new sith lord |
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Rahn del Sol - Student
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I usually go with:
Full Push/Pull Full Heal Full Absorb Full Jump Level 1 Sight Full Saber Offense/Defense/Throw If I have any points left over (I've noticed a point difference between the Academy and some other servers) I might toss it into speed. I don't use my force powers a lot against darksiders anyway, so I have no trouble allocating it all to using absorb. I just flick it on and off as needed, grip and lightning don't do enough damage in the reaction time to really bother me. Also, since I have absorb, if someone is using either grip or lightning, they'll charge my mana back up and I can use heal to recoup any losses. Versus lightside is hard, you really have to be good on offense if both players have heal. Most Light vs. Light fights I've had here just consist of an attack or two, then one person will run away healing until he's back at 100. That, in my opinion, does get old. One combo that I try to use that doesn't use up a lot of mana is a pull/kick to knock someone to the ground, then start a saber throw at them as you land from the kick (while they are down), and then run in, catch the saber, and hit them with a lunge. Even if they get up fast, it's still possible to do this. It's not perfect, and it's hard to pull off (I've somehow lost the ability to kick with any accuracy, no idea why) but it does do pretty good damage. _______________ http://steamcommunity.com/id/citizen059 This comment was edited by Rahn del Sol on Dec 28 2002 08:00pm. |
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Aeth S'kray - Retired 
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yeesh, why my comments always get that long _______________ Aeth S'kray *June 2002 +September 2003 |
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Aeth S'kray - Retired
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ah, interesting topic.
but i must say i have no problems finding an ff-opponent. in fact i get bored after some nf duels too and ask them about a full force match. less skill? that's a strange view (i think). tehre are lots of tactics and counters, you just have to know them. you ever called a rDFA cheap? "hey it kills with one hit, everyone can do that. just do the move and kill it's so cheap!" lol, get me
full force duesl are incredible intense. you have to react very fast on enemy forces and counter them fast. it's little bit like ffa comapred to ctf. a good player should be good in ff too! but it can be a problem for new ones. cause u have to know every counter it requiers a basic knowledge... and we are an academy, remeber, here a new guys that want to learn. and those who do not know a counter to for example lighting get maybe pissed because they hate beeing killed and cant defend. in fact, i think if you dont have the right forces set, you have no chance to win. and having the right forces needs LONG time of experience. maybe there should be more force classes? and the "wich side" question: rahn, i think your hardcore player are a lil bit old-fashioned
at the beginning i thought light was better. i thought i could counter everything and just need to turn on absorb and i'm fine. this was right in time of a backstab. absorb gave u 20 seconds for a pull+backstab combo without getting pulled down. but way of fight changed, its not very common to kill within 20 seconds, duels last much longer. so a lightsider cant really play offensive. he can throw+pull, right, but that needs lots of force energy. once a lightisder turns on absorb he's locked in a cage. he can't use other forces (---> absorb stops regenerating) and if he stops, he will be open. so a lightsider is always in defense and just counters actions. dark side on the other hand, in my opinion is stronger now. the bare fact that lighting can kill 100 25 in ONE BOLT is amazing. it means once you get the shields of your opponent he has always life in fear of a lighting and always must be ready to counter (means no specilas or red swing for a darksider, they take too long to get drain ready). and he can hear absorb and just wait till it's turned out or runs out of force. but tehre is not only lighting, grip can be deadly too. gripkick can kill in one move too! if the griped person messes the first push he's locked. the only bad thing about dark side is drain. you need to be close to your opponent and you cannot heal when he's using absorb. and with the best force setup i found so far, you dont have forcepoint left for throw. the only chance a lightsider has, imo, is taht he STARTS attacking with massive throw+pull. but people will call this very lame... and its hard to start attacking when a draksider grip you from a rol land starts gripkicking
heh, maybe you wanan know my favourite settings?
I always use full saber defense+offense, full jump and full grip+push lightside: -full absorb -full throw -full heal (i hope this is correct, i really dont play ligh anylonger) darkside: -full grip -full drain -full lightning -seeing level2 maybe that helps some of you _______________ Aeth S'kray *June 2002 +September 2003 This comment was edited by Aeth S'kray on Dec 28 2002 10:37am. |
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Mikel Rider - Student 
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I have never really met any hardcore players but I preferr dark myself. Neither side really has an advantage over the other, if you know how to use the force with the other elements of the game. _______________ Using no way as way. Having no limitation as limitation. |
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Rahn del Sol - Student
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Ah, the less skill arguement.
I don't think FF requires less skill. I think it requires a different skill. You have to have a totally different mindset. And all of you guys saying that Dark has the advantage really has me wondering just what kind of experience you have. Most of the hardcore players I've met say that light side absolutely rules dark, so I'm not sure what game they are playing compared to you _______________ http://steamcommunity.com/id/citizen059 |
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Lord Exar Kun - Student 
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FF is nice and all, but it really does require less skill. With nf, you have to get close to your oponent and hit him at the right spots. But with FF, you can just run after him with lightning. Ans ranged force is only possible with dar side, so i do think ds is in advantage. _______________ -Retired april the 19th 2004 |
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Kalheka - Student 
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I tend to stay away from ff because so many people use grip, lightning, and drain. I've been on places where the game was reduced to those three things and it took the fun from it for me. I love the lightsaber, always have, that's where the most fun in the game is for me.
I won't call the other stuff cheap, I think it makes for a great game. Unfortunately, grip, lightning, and drain are among the most damaging weapons/powers so they see the most use. Part of the reason I came here though, is to learn to deal with those powers and to be able to be competitive wherever I play, ff or no. I would love to be able to train for ff duels. _______________ Death is only the beginning. |
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Mikel Rider - Student
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In my opinion to truely use the force in combat great skill is required. One must master every power and learn the reaction to every action. I believe tactics that are called cheap are ones that people do not understand. In my studies of the darkside I have found only one combo I would call cheap and I have never revealed it or seen it used so please don't tell me people fighting FF are cheap.
Both kinds of combat require great skill. I prefer to duel NF myself because that is where I need the practice, but I am always up for a FF duel. I would say it is the quality of the duels you have and the people you have them with, not how many you have. Oh, to reiterate, there are no cheap tactics, even in dark. There are tactics that require great knowledge and skill to get around, but it can be done. There is only one cheap death but I have never seen it used. Master the force and no tactic will stand against you. One may say lighting is cheap if you do not know how to counter it, and I mean more than absorb, but that is only because it seems like an unfair advantage, unstopable. Once you learn counters it will seem much less cheap. It is only a form of attack, nothing more nothing less. _______________ Using no way as way. Having no limitation as limitation. This comment was edited by Mikel Rider on Dec 23 2002 11:19pm. |
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Kay Mata - Ex-Student |
all those theory are interresting, i think both need skill, ...using correctly the force powers and not swing youre saber everywhere like if you we're mad ...concentration is needed in both type of fights _______________ Back for good... |
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JA > Yun - Student 
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Before I was kicked off the Staff, I was playing Full Force Dueling only... One of you JAT's should start schoolings this youngin's... _______________ Bringing newbies closer to perfection since 1998. |
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Kyarn Kelvina - Ex-Student 
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As long as there's a balance, FF is great fun. A lot of FF dueling takes skill, but dark side really doesn't take much skill. Its pretty much just lightning and then run around if your opponent has absorb up. Then drain him and lightning some more. Takes about zero skill.  But FF duels can also be very long and fun. But so can NF duels. |
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Chainer - Ex-Student 
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ui think it depends many players just stay away and saber throw wich is extremely annoying other wise i dont have large problems but ill stick wit nf =) |
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Darth Revan - Ex-Student 
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I think full force does require skill only if used correctly and not just to stay back and fill the room with lightning bolts, but actually to have a plan and to time it right. _______________ formally known as jedi master, vanished and returned as the new sith lord |
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Rahn del Sol - Student 
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I really don't think the fast force recovery makes dark side overpowered...because although they can regain power to cast lightning/drain, you can also regain quickly as a light side user for absorb/heal...so it evens out. _______________ http://steamcommunity.com/id/citizen059 |
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Eldrin - Ex-Student |
I've been looking for classes on force use. I am awful when it comes to ff so I at least need some pointers. |
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Silencio - Student 
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I'm not against ff duels in general, but on the academy servers the force recharges WAY faster than It's supposed to, so ff duels tend to become unbalanced, with darkies constantly using lightning or drain or whatever. But a ff fight in a normal enviroment, like on a duel server is cool. _______________ Second-in-command of the mighty FiZZsters |
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Shannon -SC- - Student 
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I enjoy playing full force duels too. And no I'm not bad with it. It's just that I think that the Dark side is overpowered. I know flaming will come now, but don't misunderstand me, I've beaten and i will beat enough Dark Side users. The problem is if u meet a foe, who is very good in his force use specially drain you have lost. Since drain has 2 function, it heals you and lessens the others power, while his heal "simply" heals.
But I'm up for any challenge, so just gimme a call. _______________ Falling from heaven is not as painfull, as surviving the impact. |
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