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JavaGuy - Student  |
Yeah, that's an oxymoron, I know. An expansion is by definition not stand-alone, but that's what JK3 really is. It's JK2 with a few technical enhancements--good ones to be sure--and a new SP campaign. Installing JK3 is like installing JK2 plus a really cool mod...only in the process we lose all of the really cool mods we already had for JK2, and now dueling sucks harder than a Rug Doctor. _______________ My signature is only one line. You're welcome. |
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Bail Hope of Belouve - Student 
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too bad it's all too true _______________ Visit the Belouve Family Website! Quote: I try to have fun with my friends and try to make a difference as best I can. What does making a difference mean? Well, it can be as simple as saying hello, answering a question that seems obvious or heck, just talking. -- Vladarion
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VaXxla Belouve - Student 
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crazy, you is dead right, I can't believe how empty the JK2 servers are now, damned shame too, as it is a fantastic game - Still. _______________ <-Padawan to FiZZe-> Bro to Roan, Squibit, Bail and Seth Cloudrider. -=Co-founder of The Galaxial School of Interpretive Ballet=- NOW SHOWING AT MUNES BAR!! music not supplied or required! =- Bow down to the great nipple -= |
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crazy_hacker - Ex-Student 
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well i like both games, but the problem with JA, is that it sucked (most of) the life out of JK2. The jk2 servers don't have nearly as much people on them as they did before JA came out. _______________ if at first you dont succeed, try and try again. if you still dont succeed, youve just wasted a whole lot of time trying something you just cant do 
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Carve - Student 
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Word. _______________ © |
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Claudite - Ex-Student |
I did play JO, but JA is still mad. The thing is you don't find better saber combat in any game. Look at Clone Wars. Your Sabers passed through eachother. It was a game of freakin' quickdraw! Be thaknful that we have a functional saber combat system. Stop bitching. Or I'll bitch back. Nyah. :p _______________ Yeah, so I have a lot of eggs.- Strong Bad |
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3th - Retired 
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i'm really glad to see some of the respected old timers come out with a positive attitude about jk:ja. it was disheartening to see so many people complaining about a game that i fell in love with very quickly. i've never known jk:jo so i don't know what i'm missing. i just know that i found this great place sortly after jk:ja came out and everyone was having a great time with this new game. and then shortly after that, a lot of people decided it sucked ass (blame it on the patch, i think people just wanted a reason to bitch). it seemed like everyone that was playing for the love of dueling and learning had forgot what the academy here was about. but it looks like things are going in a positive direction now and i hope this continues. as a newcomer to this, i feel the more i learn the more i realize i don't know. jk:ja dueling is very rich and very deep, find some friends here and mine the fun it has to offer _______________ this is the internet, be serious damn it! |
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Bail Hope of Belouve - Student
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omg, yeah, the rolls that's just plain annoying how they've changed maybe something for C1 to change, if possible? _______________ Visit the Belouve Family Website! Quote: I try to have fun with my friends and try to make a difference as best I can. What does making a difference mean? Well, it can be as simple as saying hello, answering a question that seems obvious or heck, just talking. -- Vladarion
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NofrikinfuN - Retired 
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I have had a lot of trouble adapting to JK3, especially following the patch. (The JK2 rolls and kicks are completely dead and gone.) The thing that I hated most about JK3, however, was the multitude of one-hit kills. Location-based damage is interesting, and would be best IN THEORY. However, the fact is, none of us are really jedi, so its all being thrown in with luck and lag, and a lot of the time, you come out feeling cheated. Anywho, that seems to have been fixed to some degree, (Thank God.) so I've been pussyfooting around trying to come back into the game. I've even gone so far as to take up the Staff as an alternative to my tried-and-true Heavy Stance. So, I'd have to say, give the new stuff a chance, learn it again. |
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Buzz - Student 
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Well Crunchy just wait untill the better players actually get some balls and try learning the stances and how to fight with and against them. I think you'll see somewhat of a shift. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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Crunchy - Ex-Student 
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In JK2 I only ever beat 4 people on the servers. In JK3 the first dual I had on one of the servers I won. I think having dual sabres and such is kind of helping the crappy players somewhat. But you pro's don't need that.  _______________ Windows95: <win-doz-nin-te-fiv> n. 32 bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit operating system originally coded for a 4 bit microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company, that can't stand 1 bit of competition. This comment was edited by Crunchy on Dec 17 2003 02:26pm. |
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TheBeast - Ex-Student 
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Ren... I have to agree with Siduro on this... even in the hands of a button smasher... the dual and Saberstaff are strong. The deal is that even if the 'style' is not as strong as red... the only fact that you can string attack indefinetly with the 2 of them makes them a bit to strong for my taste. Also, with the dual saber... is a bit to easy to block... because you have 2 saber and all. So sadly... I still kling to the idea that I nearly wasted my time on JK2, because I will have to relearn a whole new way to play for JK3 and that eventually everyone will make the move to this new game... just because everyone has made the move. - Beast _______________ "Taken separatly, women and alcool can be quite fun, but when you mix them they can make you a dumbass!" - Red, That 70's show "Fez likes them big, Fez likes them small... Fez likes them all" - Fez about women, That 70's show |
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Carve - Student
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Actually, dual sabers are extremely effective, especially against red. They can do well over 80 damage consistently if used properly. The staff has a fantastic special (butterfly) that, when used properly, is impossible to counter, and its swings can go between the red swings. Problem is, these two stances are played offensively by most players, and in a war of attrition, red will win. You'll see the new stances evolve as time goes on, though - their abilities are, even now, becoming greatly refined. _______________ © |
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Ren - Ex-Student 
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actually if you look, red stance is pretty invincable in jk3. dual sabers are pretty much useless its like does blue stance dmg without the special. Saberstaff is good but it has the same limitations with the dual, you do alot of spinning attacks and if you miss its over. _______________ Consultant, Colossal Entertainment ~Jedi Outcast and Jedi Academy Maps~ |
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TheBeast - Ex-Student 
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Good comments guys... from both sides (the ones that find the game good and the ones that don,t) But I think the real feeling the guys that don't like the game are getting is that they 'wasted' so much time getting good on JK2 (and that means doing all the things you have to do (learning the damage system, learning the moves and how they 'act', and everything else)) and in the end, it was all for nothing. JK3 is a completly new game when it comes to the saber combat system... the things that were true in JK2 are not in JK3 and that's frustrating. For my part, I have a very difficult time adapting my fighting style to JK3 because I used red a lot and it seems that in JK3 my red attacks have problems connecting. I do stuff that was a 'sure shot' in JK2 and in JK3, for no apparent reason, the saber pass right throught my opponent without ever wounding him. So, in the end, the frustration everyone has from JK3 comes from the facts that our fighting style must be changed so that we may become effecient again... and habits are a very hard thing to break My thought anyway - Beast _______________ "Taken separatly, women and alcool can be quite fun, but when you mix them they can make you a dumbass!" - Red, That 70's show "Fez likes them big, Fez likes them small... Fez likes them all" - Fez about women, That 70's show This comment was edited by TheBeast on Dec 16 2003 08:00pm. |
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Buzz - Student
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Quote: I just jump in and out to attack since I have no idea how the damage system is set up. Vasper, that's exactly the point. Its a new game, learn the damage system. You did that in JK2 didn't you? _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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Bail Hope of Belouve - Student 
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Indeed _______________ Visit the Belouve Family Website! Quote: I try to have fun with my friends and try to make a difference as best I can. What does making a difference mean? Well, it can be as simple as saying hello, answering a question that seems obvious or heck, just talking. -- Vladarion
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Carve - Student 
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Agreed. Notice how the best in JK3 are: 1) not button-mashers 2) have had a lot of experience playing You can't just pick up jk3 and use the same tactics as jk2 and expect them to work globally. Adapt or be defeated. _______________ © |
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Mookie - Ex-Student 
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Vasper: That's not really fair, you're making it sound like JK3 is for button-mashers. Myself and a lot of other JK3 players will tell you that JK3, just like JK2, simply requires training. I can boss those button bashers around on public servers easily. In other words: it's a different game. Train it. |
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Vasper Ba'xian - Student 
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I play JK2 and I can hold my own easy. I play JK3 and it's like im getting beat by button smashers on pub. servers. I just jump in and out to attack since I have no idea how the damage system is set up. _______________ Brother to: Tamal, Kavar, J.D.,Jermia, Devlin, Ulic, Xiabara, Seij,Tarron Mib,>>>ROCK ON .My Spacescapes art page.My Everything Else art page. MY FAV. Jedi Are: Qui-Gon Jinn, Corran Horn, and Anakin Solo. Unofficial Master to Tamal. and Kavar. Founder of the Wuji Hundun Jian saber style. Proud owner of Tamal's 200th comment!//Proud owner of Refl3x's 300th comment!>>>Proud owner of Tyrant's 800th comment>>>Proud owner of Lucky's 170th comment>>>Proud owner of BDKawika's 444th comment>>>To except Existance is to except Reality.
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Buzz - Student 
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I think that's part of the problem though. A lot of people are thinking of this as a stand alone expansion pack. I know I was calling it that before it was released. If you treat it like that then yeah its going to piss you off with some of the changes. But instead think of it as an actual sequel. Look at the difference between JK and JK2. JK2 and JK:JA don't have as many differences but you do have to expect more changes with a sequel to a game. When this game was first announced I believed then that it was coming out way to early for a sequel to the game. Anyone care to agree with me now? My advice don't treat it as an expansion, treat it as its own game and maybe you'll be more willing to accept and learn the differences between the games. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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Zoro Kakashi - Ex-Student 
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lol 'tis so oxymoron _______________ "When did Noah built the Arc, before the rain, before the rain." |
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VaXxla Belouve - Student
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You hit the nail on the head there, Raven/LEC obviously thought... Raven-Head Honcho "How can we improve upon JK2?.... I know know better graphics, that'll do it" Employee "Yup, but how about a better story line?" Employee1 "hang on,they are really good ideas, but we need more than that, lets mess around with the duelling system!" Employee "Yeh, we could have like a really flashy move, with a whoosy kinda'-slow mo'-Matrix stlyee-saber flash thingy(?)" Employee2 "Ko0l, how about changing YDFA, so that the camera flips round and completly disorientates the duelist?" Employee1 "Ah, better than that, let's get rid of idle saber damage? That'll really mess with their heads" Raven-Head Honcho "Uber-ko0l, you is 'da man, W00oot!!!" J/K  V. _______________ <-Padawan to FiZZe-> Bro to Roan, Squibit, Bail and Seth Cloudrider. -=Co-founder of The Galaxial School of Interpretive Ballet=- NOW SHOWING AT MUNES BAR!! music not supplied or required! =- Bow down to the great nipple -= This comment was edited by VaXxla Belouve on Dec 14 2003 01:33am. |
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Bail Hope of Belouve - Student
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yeah, I agree with that you gotta admit though the graphics are way better _______________ Visit the Belouve Family Website! Quote: I try to have fun with my friends and try to make a difference as best I can. What does making a difference mean? Well, it can be as simple as saying hello, answering a question that seems obvious or heck, just talking. -- Vladarion
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