| UNIX > DOS and Linux > Windows, right? | |
|
_cmad_ - ex-Student  |
There's this little argument (yes, again   ) between me and joca... I say UNIX > DOS and Linux > Windows and M$ sucks... He believes otherwise...So to settle this we (that means I ) decided to make this thread and a poll, to decide what's correct...So vote. BTW: I'm really bad at winning polls but I'm getting my hopes up for this one cuz I know many people believe UNIX > DOS and Linux > Windows BTW2: This is not a Mac related thread so no need to post about Mac unless you diss windows in that comment as well _______________ Your friends of today, are your enemies of tomorrow. |
| Poll | ||||||||||||||
Vote:
|
| Login and add your comment! | Previous Comments > |
| Comments |
|
Stimpski - Student 
|
Heh *look sheepish* i got confused at the moment i wrote that post lol... That was my fault _______________ Stimpski (formerly known as DeathScythe many, many moons ago.) JA Forum ID - 3988 <insert generic &/OR witty tagline here> |
|
DJ Sith - Jedi Council 
|
fsck is a filesystem check, like chkdsk. It checks for bad inodes on your file system and tries to fix them or move it to the lost and found. mkfs creates a filesystem and is more akin to the format command.  _______________ My car is made of Nerf. |
|
Stimpski - Student
|
As far as I know, most newbie admins don't read admin books. I could be considered a newbie admin, but my father, when he was a newbie to the whole Linux shpleel, he didn't read any guides. He literally sat there, and tried and figured things out. Sometimes, the best way you can learn something isn't by reading about it in a book, and recreating it. It's when you get down to the nitty gritty, and sit down, and just take something you don't know much about, and try to figure it out. I'm not saying try fscking your HD if you dont know what your doing, but try things that wouldn't harm your box/server/PC as much. **Note for the *NIX-impaired: fsck is the Linux flavor form of formatting, except just better** _______________ Stimpski (formerly known as DeathScythe many, many moons ago.) JA Forum ID - 3988 <insert generic &/OR witty tagline here> |
|
DJ Sith - Jedi Council
|
A ha. You assume newbie admins read guide books. _______________ My car is made of Nerf. |
|
Crunchy - Ex-Student 
|
I have yet to come across a book or guide for begining or advanced linux users that does not say "Don't log in as root for day to day use. You may inadvertantly destroy an important file." You can't delete any system critical files, alter anything important, or even "make install" without being root or using sudo. It's very safe to be another user. If anyone still uses root for day to day use, it's because they are: A) Very confident that they won't messup something. B) They want to change settings at will like Windows. _______________ Windows95: <win-doz-nin-te-fiv> n. 32 bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit operating system originally coded for a 4 bit microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company, that can't stand 1 bit of competition. This comment was edited by Crunchy on Jan 07 2004 02:19pm. |
|
_cmad_ - Ex-Student 
|
Depends... If you really wanna mess with your computer if you do something really wrong, go root _______________ Your friends of today, are your enemies of tomorrow. |
|
Orion - Retired 
|
ahh yes soo true..but all i have to say Bow before me, for I am root. _______________ When a Man lies he murder's some part of the world. These are the pale deaths which men misscall there lives. All this I cannot bear to witness any longer. Cannot the kingdom of salvation take me home? -Cliff Burton Owner of Smily's 1900th comment | <Lady_Catherine> i love your sexy white socks! | (Lady_Catherine) i adore u! | (Lady_Catherine) onion (Lady_Catherine) i lub u |
|
JavaGuy - Student 
|
"Not everyone knows that rule though, Crunchy." ...any more than most users (even advanced users) know the countless rules you need to know about Windows security. In Linux there's one overarching rule: Don't su to root unless you actually know what you're doing and do it carefully. _______________ My signature is only one line. You're welcome. |
|
DJ Sith - Jedi Council 
|
Not everyone knows that rule though, Crunchy. Some of my customers su to root immediately when logging into their server and start banging away at their keyboard. I get all WTF on them and explain why thats a bad idea. They tell me they do it because it's easier. And I know some who will admin a secure windows server in 1/4 the time it would them to figure out how to do the same in *NIX. It's all about your experience. _______________ My car is made of Nerf. |
|
Crunchy - Ex-Student 
|
Quote: It's all in how you use it. Sure *NIX is designed to be more stable and secure etc etc, but if you have no idea what you're doing it can be much more dangerous than your average windows box. Hmmm... I can't do jack to hurt my system when I'm not logged in as root. The first thing you learn about *nix is not to log in as root for day to day use. If you setup another user account you're fine. As for the win2k, it's the only M$ OS I would recomend to someone to have as a Windows environment. _______________ Windows95: <win-doz-nin-te-fiv> n. 32 bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit operating system originally coded for a 4 bit microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company, that can't stand 1 bit of competition. |
|
Fate - Student 
|
Please ignore my ost back a page! /me is dumb I thought you were refering to the order in which they were released. Forgot > is the greater than sign! lol _______________ I must not fear . Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear . I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain. Gom gom gom gom gom! |
|
_cmad_ - Ex-Student
|
well yeah, you gotta be careful with what you tell the PC to do when using Windows... 90% it will crash on heavy duties... Unlike linux which has I think a smally percentage _______________ Your friends of today, are your enemies of tomorrow. |
|
Thomasooo - Student 
|
To be completely honest, I haven't tried any other OS than Windows, so I don't have much experience in this field. I like Windows. I think it's easy to use, and I don't have many problems with it getting screwed n' all... I think that in Windows, you gotta be careful with what you're doing. Like, don't give it too many commands at once, 'cause then it will crash, and h4x0rs will take over your PC, a thunderstorm rises, who knows?! _______________ In the navy and LOVING it!
Recipient of comment no. 1000 and heart-warming words from Ataris!
|
|
JavaGuy - Student
|
"...but if you have no idea what you're doing it can be much more dangerous than your average windows box." I can't think of anything more dangerous than a Windows machine in the hands of someone who doesn't know what he's doing. Part of the problem is that with Windows it's easy for a user to think he knows what he's doing. I was recently asked by someone if he should switch to Linux, and I told him the only question he needed to consider was the learning curve. He replied that it couldn't be any worse than the Windoze learning curve, and it ocurred to me that he was right. Windows is an easy install and is good at giving a user the impression that he knows what he's doing and that everything is okay. I'd argue that the learning curve for Windows is actually much steeper than for Linux, only the average Windows user can remain blissfully unaware of how much more he needs to know than he already does. I'll buy DJ's point about it being okay if all I want is a dumb machine to play games, but who here just wants that? I'm a software engineer, so obviously I need it for a lot more than that, but even most casual users use their machines for more than just games. I reiterate the point someone else made: I'd rather have to get a security update twice a year than twice a day. At the moment I'm posting from the laptop they gave me at work, which has XP and the automatic notification when there's a security update. I kid you not the security update pops up all the time, and when I click Details it never just says that they've discovered a means by which someone can get information off my drive (which would be bad enough). No, it always says they've discovered a means by which any random bozo can run an executable remotely and completely take over my machine! Such a serious matter is almost unheard of in the Linux world, but it's a typical Windows security flaw, and the Microsoft boys discover one of these more often than they change their socks. What Microsoft should really do: Brand its own flavor of Linux. People laugh when I say this, but it's a serious suggestion and could work in the marketplace. _______________ My signature is only one line. You're welcome. |
|
Jello` - Student 
|
DOS > ALL _______________ Brady Brothers: Orion-Greg, Furi0us-Peter, Me-Bobby. Long lost cousin to Flash. Midbie Council #007. Ex-JAK. |
|
DJ Sith - Jedi Council
|
It's not a matter of which OS is better or worse. It's all in how you use it. Sure *NIX is designed to be more stable and secure etc etc, but if you have no idea what you're doing it can be much more dangerous than your average windows box. Sure there's a learning curve involved, and you can get Linux going and be the king of OS's on your block, but if all you need is a dumb machine that plays games, go get win2k. I'm a *NIX admin by trade, and I've done it before, but I don't want to have to screw with config files to get jk2 working. _______________ My car is made of Nerf. |
|
_cmad_ - Ex-Student 
|
hmm... I thought it was Winblows _______________ Your friends of today, are your enemies of tomorrow. |
|
Stimpski - Student 
|
Sorry, you misspelled M$' top product. It's Windoze. _______________ Stimpski (formerly known as DeathScythe many, many moons ago.) JA Forum ID - 3988 <insert generic &/OR witty tagline here> |
|
D@RtHM@UL - Student 
|
WINDOWS !! |
|
_cmad_ - Ex-Student
|
who the hell voted for UNIX < DOS!?!?  and what about Linux < Windows!?!? I guess this is Kun's vote, but the above!?!? _______________ Your friends of today, are your enemies of tomorrow. |
|
Crunchy - Ex-Student
|
Yah that was pretty dumb of you Kun. Anyway, some helpful tutorials are at http://www.linuxfusion.net/ if anyone wants to try jk2 and jk3 on Linux under wine or winex. _______________ Windows95: <win-doz-nin-te-fiv> n. 32 bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit operating system originally coded for a 4 bit microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company, that can't stand 1 bit of competition. This comment was edited by Crunchy on Jan 01 2004 07:17pm. |
|
_cmad_ - Ex-Student
|
M$ sucks... And I agree with jGuy, that's a really silly thing you said Kun _______________ Your friends of today, are your enemies of tomorrow. This comment was edited by _cmad_ on Jan 01 2004 06:35pm. |
|
JavaGuy - Student 
|
LOL!!! Kun, that's the silliest thing I've ever seen posted on these forums. Operating systems are hardly anything new and certainly not a Microsoft innovation. Linux is modeled on Unix, which predates Microcrap by a longshot, and freeware is hardly a Microsoft idea. The guy who wrote Linux was taking a course in OS design and sort of went hog-wild and wrote a super-duper one. What could M$ possibly have had to do with that? Good software exists in spite of M$, not because of it. _______________ My signature is only one line. You're welcome. |
|
_cmad_ - Ex-Student
|
Quote: you guys have to admit: without microsoft stuff like linux would never have existed. Why not Mr. Kun? _______________ Your friends of today, are your enemies of tomorrow. |
|
Lord Exar Kun - Student 
|
you guys have to admit: without microsoft stuff like linux would never have existed. so GO MICROSOFT!! _______________ -Retired april the 19th 2004 |
| Login and add your comment! | Previous Comments > |