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WINDOWS 2000/NT SOURCE LEAKED
Feb 13 2004 06:12am

Aron
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Wether it is a hoax is unsure yet, but there are source code files of a couple of hundreds of MB's on the internet.

I saw a few comments by developers already, and they say it looks pretty real.

All related sites seem to be under extremely heavy load, and unreachable.

The article:
http://www.neowin.net/comments.php?id=17509&category=main

If this is a true, expect hell to break out. Dozens of virusses, and a drastic change in MS.

This post was edited by Aron on Feb 13 2004 09:54am.

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Feb 19 2004 05:26am

_cmad_
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OMG that s*cks!!!!!!!! :eek:

:P :D :P :D Damn we gotta get those hackers that know how to get linux sources :P :D
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Feb 19 2004 03:28am

Fizz of Belouve
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I heard the Linux sources are leaked every day ! :D
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Feb 18 2004 10:04pm

Jacen Aratan
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Ph33r! :P

Feb 18 2004 09:16pm

_cmad_
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 _cmad_

What did you expect? Jacen DID have a computer back then right? :P
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Feb 18 2004 08:11pm

Sared
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 Sared

Craaaap. When Win 3.1 got leaked then there was hell to pay. Thankfully they released 95/98 soon after, but the internet was a scary place to be in at that time. :(
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Feb 18 2004 07:46pm

_cmad_
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 _cmad_

kinda off topic but:

For the win98 users out there; to crash your PC open the "run dialog" (Start -> Run) and write:

con\con

:D :P
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Feb 17 2004 12:22am

Fizz of Belouve
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 Fizz of Belouve

Full disclosure has the scoop. apparently u can crash windows wit hsome wird bitmap files roflmao :D

clicky

phunky, isnt It ?


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Feb 16 2004 11:51pm

Orion
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 Orion

lmao great analogy!

linux is a sexeh woman :D
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Feb 16 2004 10:42pm

JavaGuy
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I had another thought:

Linux is open-source while Windows is hidden for the same reason that beautiful girls sometimes pose nude while ugly ones keep hidden.

:D
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Feb 15 2004 07:57pm

_cmad_
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 _cmad_

Well said Java guy. Especially about the virus stuff. That's what I was about to say but you said it first :)

And about the OpenSource; WAAAAY too many ppl work on it, so it's more secure. If they find a bug they change it at that moment. But I suppose we can't do that with windows can we ;)

M$ releases SPs for that, but the problem with SPs is that even though the fix something, they scr*w something else :P :D As I read somewhere, I'd prefer to have a server which I have to update once in a year, than having a server that I have to update once a month.

Last, it's not 100% if that "M$ code leaked" is true. We just have to wait and see
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Feb 15 2004 06:20pm

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Open source prevents security problems by making the security mechanism transparent.

Look at the various open source cryptosystems, for example. Over the years a few security holes have been found and fixed because every cryptophile in the world can look at the source code. Software people have huge egos and love the recognition they get from the open source community when they find a big "gotcha" that everyone else overlooked.

When a company devises a proprietary cryptosystem, on the other hand, you have to trust that the company's in-house people are able to find every imaginable security flaw by themselves and that all the other software engineers in the world are incapable of finding anything that little team of people may have overlooked. Sound plausible? Not to me.

I've worked at a company where a vendor tried to push a proprietary cryptosystem on us. They wouldn't show us the source, and when I asked technical questions about key management they changed the subject and just assured us that nobody could crack it because their engineers were very clever. So we were supposed to trust, without having seen the source code, that nobody in the world could find any problem that they might have overlooked. They did not get the contract.

What's more, there's really no such thing as "closed source" software. If you've got Winblows, then you can reverse-engineer it. The difference is that it's a real pain to do so. The only people with the money and motivation to do so are people a with less than pure reasons for doing it. Open source software is constantly poured over by people simply looking to modify/enhance it for their own personal use, for business or just for fun, and that's how most security flaws get found and fixed.

If I'm tinkering with open source and find a security flaw, I can write up a little report on the flaw and publish it for the world to see. Again, software people have huge egos and love this kind of thing.

On the other hand, if someone is reverse engineering the Winblows code and finds a security flaw, what can he do? Report to the world that he was illegally hacking proprietary software? Bad idea. Discreetly contact Microsoft and expect them to be oh-so-grateful? Heh heh. Keep quiet? Again, the ego thing. Use it to write a virus and stick it to Microsoft for putting out such crappy software? I think we have a winner. At least that's been the choice most hackers seem to have gone with thus far.

With open source, finding and reporting a security flaw gets you the ego boost and you don't risk prison time. Plus it looks great on a resume (much better than prison time, unless you're applying for a job with the Mafia).

I don't think the leaked Microsoft code makes much difference except in terms of public relations. Middle-management types think that Winblows security is based on the code being a big secret. Software engineers know that very nearly the opposite is actually true.

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This comment was edited by JavaGuy on Feb 15 2004 06:25pm.

Feb 15 2004 04:44pm

Jello`
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Bah I heard it was only 5% of NT sp1 and 2000 both of which they are going to drop support for, so I dont think much is going to happen

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Security officials said the compressed files amounted to a CD-Rom's worth of data and represented less than five percent of Windows code. However, they warned it may relate critical security functions.


From Yahoo.com's coverage
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Feb 15 2004 06:55am

_cmad_
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 _cmad_

Yeah that's for sure ;) Hackers will have to find new ways of getting into Windows now. But they'll manage to do that quick, they got np. :D :P
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Feb 15 2004 02:06am

DJ Sith
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I'm sorry for them. They'll have to rewrite a large part of their OS now. That's gonna suck for them. :P It will make Windows stronger in the long run though.
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Feb 14 2004 11:14pm

Steinin
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 Steinin

Can't say I'm sorry for Microsoft. :D
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Feb 14 2004 05:57pm

Orion
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 Orion

virus writers in teh sence that they only write code to do malicious activity, people who write code to find broken things in the operating system and notify m$ or write some sort of patch i have repsect for, even though m$ sucks, the operating system must be secure.
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Feb 14 2004 05:37pm

Ashyr
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 Ashyr

My comp caught Virus once. It coughed on me, then I had to stay home for 3 days throwing-up
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Feb 14 2004 05:14pm

_cmad_
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 _cmad_

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and if u were to write a virus, i will no longer have any respect for you, i have zero respect for virus writers.


Well writing a virus is the evil way to show M$ they got a leak in their OS. The normal way would be to just tell them. M$ doesn't treat us the best way possible does it? ;)

And btw, why do you have zero respect for virus writters? They are skillful programmers ;)

But since I can't write a virus, gain your respect back :D :P

Oh and JKA runs fine on linux as long as you don't have all those problems I got with Redhat

*kicks redhat*

What other distro would ya suggest?
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Feb 14 2004 05:05pm

Ashyr
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 Ashyr

I'm not really worried about the whole MicroSoft industry crashing, but I'm AM worried about the effects of it. Millions of buisnesses around the world run on Windows comps. If hackers were able to crack through their systems, it could be devistating. Banks, Car companies, Huge Corperations, and even little buisnesses could be hacked through.

That WOULD have a huge impact on the economy.
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Feb 14 2004 04:51pm

Orion
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 Orion

Cmad microsoft has had a source code licence agreement with many companies for years. Its not their fault its the company Mainsoft's fault for letting the source code sit on a insecure server, and if u were to write a virus, i will no longer have any respect for you, i have zero respect for virus writers.
and yes JA runs great on linux
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Feb 14 2004 04:21pm

Steinin
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 Steinin

Does JA run well on Linux?
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Feb 14 2004 04:11pm

_cmad_
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 _cmad_

Yeah I guess the world economy would be scr*wd :/ And all this cuz they all depend on M$ :mad:

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And Virus's usually are made to attack windows probably because of open source hacker kiddies. "ooooooo, I found a security leak in windows I'll exploit it and cause that evil company problems."

Buzz if I had the ability (i.e. found the security hole) to create a virus for Windows I sure would. M$ is evil and therefore must die :P (no i'm not changing my mind whatsoever). It may be not trying to ruin the productivity, but there ARE ruining it.

About the fact that winsock code was leaked. Yeah that's bad I guess. Security is going to be really weak now. Maybe a quick service pack can fix that? That'll teach M$ a lesson, giving away their valuable OS code (why didn't they just give out Win95 code?). Maybe now more ppl will turn to Linux, who knows. But till then yeah as you said and I agreed, the economy is going doooown. And that's bad.

Well it's M$'s fault again. They give out OS source code, didn't they foresee this result? :confused:
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Feb 14 2004 03:46pm

Orion
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cmad: some of the source taht was released contains the winsock code and ie code which can lead to some bad problems, and microsoft is probably using winsock in longhorn, which means they might have to rewrite some of those. yes microsoft is 'evil' but a lot of people still depend on them.
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Feb 14 2004 02:45pm

Buzz
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 Buzz

well cmad if you read the article link I posted you'll notice how the source likely got spread. Microsoft has been releasing bits of it to software developers, governments, and universities. The reason for saying its bad for the economy is simple. A lot of companies run windows based computers. When virus's are spread to them it clogs their e-mail, computer use. They have to spend the time checking filtering erasing fixing all the problems the virus caused. The Blaster Worm cost millions of dollars in down time.

And Virus's usually are made to attack windows probably because of open source hacker kiddies. "ooooooo, I found a security leak in windows I'll exploit it and cause that evil company problems." You know damn well that if you were in Bill Gates shoes you probably would have done everything exactly the same as he had done with microsoft. Yeah its a big evil company right. But they aren't trying to ruin the productivity of the world.
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Feb 14 2004 11:37am

_cmad_
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 _cmad_

Who cares about M$'s economy? As a matter of fact, who cares about M$? :P :D

And open source doesn't necessarily mean virus parade ;) Linux is open sourse :cool: Open Source means better OS cuz MANY MANY MANY ppl can work on it and make better programs for it cuz they know how it works ;)

BTW: There's no reason to care about when LongHorn is going to be released orion ;) IMHO it's gonna be as bad (or in the same low level) as all the other Windows's are. It might be better but I don't think there will be a dramatic change. I don't know much about longhorn (what it's like and stuff) so that's only guessing.
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