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Hey All, Moby here. Just wanted to drop a line and see what peoples thoughts are on the new upcoming film by Mel Gibson, The Passion. This movie is about the last 12 hours of Jesus Christ according to the gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. I for one am thrilled that this movie is coming out. I have seen the trailers. You can too by clicking here http://www.thepassionofthechrist.com What do you guys think? Is Mel on the right track creating this movie? -DM- _______________ One Day, it will all end. This post was edited by cHoSeN oNe on Mar 09 2004 01:46am. |
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Eternal_Silence - Ex-Student 
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If you say you have preachers in your family - didn't you ask them about this? edit :: Btw guys nice work i reckon we should make clear on every one of these 'contradictions'. It should take a while but if its gonna make it easier to understand it'll be worth it. This comment was edited by Eternal_Silence on Mar 24 2004 11:07pm. |
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Quote: Remember, it is important to read in context - this may involve reading the whole book, or even series of books - or even the whole Bible. Actually, I have read the bible. Granted, it was quite a while ago (When I was about 14), but I've read it from cover to cover. Kinda hard to avoid seeing as my father's a preacher (albeit a minister with a PHD in Pyschology (useful for family counseling). In fact, my dad's a preacher, two of my uncles are preachers, my grandfather was a preacher, my sister just became a preacher in January... I think I'm the black sheep of the family.  Anyway, I didn't want to get in a huge debate over this, just wanted to see what you came up with on one of them (like #4)... BTW, I'm entirely sure if you committed yourself to this answer, but I think I can guess.... Do you believe the bible is without error? Again, just curious.  _______________ Part-Time Player (Weekend Warrior). Recipient of the prestigious "Longest-Post-Ever Award" (bestowed on me by Flash on March 23rd, 2004) This comment was edited by Bandit on Mar 24 2004 03:52pm. |
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Quote: The child does not share the guilt of the parent, nor the parent the guilt of the child. And now Exodus: Quote: Exodus 20:1-7 Don't bow down to them and don't serve them because I am God, your God and I am a most jealous God, punishing the children for the sins their parents pass on to them to the third and yes, even to the fourth generation of those who hate me. Ezekiel agrees fully with the latter point Moses made. You had these verses out of context. I disagree. I did not take the verses out of context. In fact, Ezekiel may agree with the [i] point Moses made, but this does not reconcile the differences. Ezekiel clearly says, even by your own admission, that God will punish children for the sins of their parents. Now, it may only be the sins of parents that "hate" God, but God is nonetheless punishing the children for the sins of the parents. Exodus, states that no children shall pay for the sins of their parents. That is a clear contradiction because children of the hateful parents would not be punished under Ezekiel, but would under Exodus. _______________ Part-Time Player (Weekend Warrior). Recipient of the prestigious "Longest-Post-Ever Award" (bestowed on me by Flash on March 23rd, 2004) |
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I just wanted to drop a little JAMESF1 PWNS!!!!!!!!!!!!! here  -DM- _______________ One Day, it will all end. |
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JamesF1 - Student 
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Let me cover the first 10 1. Christians use the term 'Trinity' to understand the concept of God. It isn't a Bible word, but it means three persons who are all individually and coroprately God. E.g. Jesus is God as much as the Father is God - they are one. Don't understand? We're not supposed to. 2&3. The translator's approach to the concept of seeing God is tempered by their own reverence for God and also by the restrictions of language (as mentioned by Ashyr). 4. See previous post. 5. Proverbs 1:28 refers to a passage talking about people who have rejected God. Proverbs 8:17 refers to a passage talking about people who love God. 6. Same idea to point 4. 7. Gensis is chronogogically before Deuteronomy. Before Deuteronomy, there needed to be no law like this so as there was only a small population. When the population had grown sufficiently, God made the law to stop lying with a family member. 8. Basically, Moses said (on behalf of God), 'Who's on my side?'. This killing was a specific one-off, order from God to deal with idol worship, which the people had begun whilst Moses was up on the Mountain getting the 10 commandments. 9. The revenge in Exodus, relates to the legal system established. There were no prisons, this was the way justice was established. It was not revenge, but retrebution. Matthew is in the New Testament (whilst Exodus is in the Old), in which Jesus commands a much higher standard. 10. In Jeremiah, God was saying that he didn't want offerings and sacrifices for the sake of it, he wanted them out of a willing and repentant heart. Sacrifices offered other than this way were not acceptable to Him. When he brought them out of Egypt, sacrifice was not a condition. This was a matter of law AFTER they had been brought out of Egypt. God did not say 'unless you sacrifice, I won't bring you out of Egypt.' [b]If you really want to know what you're talking about, grab a copy of 'The Message' translation of the Bible (paperback version is really cheap), and read it. You will be able to research all of the queries you have, quite adequately. Remember, it is important to read in context - this may involve reading the whole book, or even series of books - or even the whole Bible. If you need anyting, shout [/b] _______________ Website |
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Quote: JamesF1, can you show how, say...#4, is taken out of context? I'd be interested in knowing. Right, seated comfortably? Lets begin. OK, first lets do the passage containing each verse. Starting with Ezekiel: Quote: Ezekiel 18:16-20 He [who] does what I say, he who performs my laws and lives by my statutes. This person wil not die for the sins of the parent; he will live truly and well. But the parent will die for what the parent did, for the sins of oppressing the weak, robbing brothers and sisters and doing what is dead wrong in the community. Do you need to ask, 'So why does the child not share the guilt of the parent?'. Isn't it plain? It's because the child did what was right and fiar. Since the child was careful to do what is lawful and right, the child will live truly and well. The soul that sins is the soul that dies. The child does not share the guilt of the parent, nor the parent the guilt of the child. If you live upright and well, you get the credit; butif you live a wicked life, you are guilty as charged. Taken from 'The Message' translation. Verse 20 highlighted. And now Exodus: Quote: Exodus 20:1-7 God spoke all these words: I am God, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of a life of slavery. No other gods, only me. No carved gods of any size, shape or form of anything whatever, whether of things that fly or walk or swim. Don't bow down to them and don't serve them because I am God, your God and I am a most jealous God, punishing the children for the sins their parents pass on to them to the third and yes, even to the fourth generation of those who hate me. But I'm unswervingly loyal to the thousands who love me and keep my commandments. Taken from 'The Message' translation. Verse 5 highlighted Read those? Good. Now let me explain. We need to start with Exodus. Here, Moses (the writer) is relaying the words from God. God is saying, 'if you hate me, and make idols and disobey my laws - I WILL REMEMBER IT and your children will suffer' (see "...of those who hate me." v5). He is also saying that if you obey him and are loyal to him (v6) then he will forget these things. In Ezekiel, he is focusing on the latter point (the point made in verse 6 of Exodus 20). (take time to read the whole book). He is saying that the child doesn't share the parent's guilt (and vice versa - v20). This is explained in the verses 16 and 17, which say "He [who] does what I say, he who performs my laws and lives by my statutes. This person wil not die for the sins of the parent; he will live truly and well." Note, it says that the person who does what God says, will not bear the sins of his parent (exactly what Moses said in the latter part of the Exodus excerpt). Please pay careful attention to that. Ezekiel agrees fully with the latter point Moses made. You had these verses out of context. _______________ Website |
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It was from Greek to Latin... that's the entire cause for the renaissance imo... _______________ -Nero Quote: Curious, Smartass, what else? |
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Well, Bandit, there may be some literal contradictions in the Bible, for two reasons. One, the Bible was written by many different men, who had diferent perspectives. (which seems to be the most contrast in the gosples) Two, because the Bible was originally written in Latin. Latin has allot more dynamic words that English does, so people has to simplify it when translating. For Example: chronos means time, like on a watch, how many days pass, ect. However, there is another word for time (which I can't remember off the top of my head) which means, time, in the order of events. As in every thing has to come together at the right time; it is not yet time. So, you can see that the Bible may be a little more abstract, and you have to think about the meanings, before you can understand. Like: Quote: Thou, Lord, art seen face to face. - Numbers 14:14 This means on an emotional level. As in, he understands my thoughts, my needs, he is right there beside me. Though, you cannot see him, he is omni present. _______________ Top ten reasons to get a better computer...|My fan |
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Bandit - Student
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JamesF1, can you show how, say...#4, is taken out of context? I'd be interested in knowing. BTW. do you believe the bible is without any error? Do you believe in a literal interpretation of the bible? Just curious.... _______________ Part-Time Player (Weekend Warrior). Recipient of the prestigious "Longest-Post-Ever Award" (bestowed on me by Flash on March 23rd, 2004) |
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DaRtH-MoBiLiTy - Student
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Bandit, I have to say man.......well....nvm Carry On....OH and Jesus PWNS Hezzeh!!!!! -DM- _______________ One Day, it will all end. |
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JamesF1 - Student
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Bandit - when you take things OUT OF CONTEXT, they contradict each other. Actually take the time to read the context and the actual books in which those verses are AS A WHOLE, and it will not contradict itself. _______________ Website |
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BTW - it opens in cinema's here this Friday - and I'm going this Friday to the 8:30pm showing, with my church! We've basically booked the whole scree _______________ Website |
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Thats one big ass post....... _______________ If you add me to MSN, tell me who you are
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Quote: ... It is also interesting to note that everything in the Bible is cohesive - it works together and doesn't directly contradict itself (contradiction occurs in interpretations thats why we have so many denominations)... Here are some biblical contradictions that don't appear to be due to interpretation errors. In fact, they all appear to be pretty plainly stated contradictions. (taken from http://www.cygnus-study.com/) 1. How many Gods? There is none other God but one. - I Corinthians 8:4 And God said, Let us make man in our image. - Genesis 1:26 Interpreted: In Corinthians, the author, Paul, is writing to the Church of Corinth. The issue he is discussing is sacrifice to idols and if the meat that is sacrificed can be eaten. He says in verse 4 that Idols are nothing for we have knowledge that there is only one God. In Genesis 1, God is setting about the creation of man. Using the first person plural we see that the author viewed multiple Gods or a multiplicity to God. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2. Who has seen God? And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved. - Genesis 32:30 No man hath seen God at any time. - John 1:18 Interpreted: Genesis 32 is the chapter where God changes Jacob's name to Israel. In verse 29 Jacob asks God for his name. God replies by asking where it was that Jacob was asking from. Jacob replied the above verse. John 1:18 is pretty self explanatory. He is describing Jesus and how he declared the Lord God. He makes it clear that No man has ever seen God. I guess John was not familiar with the Old Testament. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3. Who has seen God, again? Thou, Lord, art seen face to face. - Numbers 14:14 Not that any man hath seen the Father. - John 6:46 Interpreted: Very similar to the previous contradiction, but this time we have Moses talking directly to God and Jesus speaking instead of John speaking for Jesus. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4. Who is punished for sins? The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father. - Ezekiel 18:20 ... I the lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation. - Exodus 20:5 Interpreted:Here we have again two authors putting forth what they believe to be the word of God. These two so obviously contradict each other that an interpretation is almost unnecessary. What is neccessary to point out is that both of these verses are God speaking. The first being God speaking through Ezekiel, and the second being God speaking directly to Moses. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5. Who finds Wisdom? Those that seek me early shall find me. - Proverbs 8:17 Then shall they call upon me but I will not answer; they shall seek me early, but shall not find me. - Proverbs 1:28 Interpreted: The first is from Proverbs 8. It is Wisdom claiming who and what she is. Verse 8:17 says first, I love them that love me. The second verse is from an earlier Proverb and is saying that those who do not listen to Wisdom and go astray will suffer the consequences. The verse goes on to say that the later verse in Proverb 8 is incorrect. I have changed this contradiction from reading God to Wisdom. This was pointed out to me by several Christians who caught my error. I thank them. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6. Does God keep anger forever? ... for I am merciful, saith the Lord, and I will not keep anger forever. - Jeremiah 3:12 Ye have kindled a fire in mine anger, which shall burn forever. - Jeremiah 17:4 Interpreted: The first verse is in reference to the backsliding Israel, telling them to mend their ways. It goes on to say that because the Lord is merciful, he will not keep his anger forever. Apparently, the Lord was not so merciful with Judah for this second verse is aimed at them. They will not be given the chance to mend their ways and fly straight. Apparently, the author of this particular book was from the northern kingdom of Israel. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Contradictions on Law The following contradictions are those verses that instruct mankind how to behave and generally followed by a verse that contradicts either by a righteous man acting differently or by a new instructor changing the law. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7. Is lying with your sister really bad? Cursed is he that lieth with his sister, the daughter of his father, or the daughter of his mother. - Deuteronomy 27:22 And Abraham said... She is my sister; she is the daughter of my father, but not the daughter of my mother; and she became my wife. - Genesis 20:11-12 Interpreted: The chapter of Deuteronomy 27 is Moses and the Levites giving the people the law of the Lord God. Verse 27 makes it quite clear that a man is cursed if he lie with his sister being the daughter of his father or his mother. Genesis 20 is the telling of Abraham lying to Abimelech about Sarah being his sister and not his wife, much as he did in chapter 12 of Genesis. God came to Abimelech in a dream and told him that Sarah was actually Abraham's wife and when Abimelech confronted Abraham, he admitted that it was true. Abraham did go on to say that she was also his sister being the daughter of his father. We know that Abraham was indeed not cursed, but one of the most beloved of God's men. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8. Is it OK to kill? Thou shalt not kill - Exodus 20:13 Thus saith the Lord God of Israel, Put every man his sword by his side... and slay every man his brother... - Exodus 32:27 Interpreted: Exodus 20 is the chapter with the Ten Commandments. Thou shalt not Kill is verse 13 and self explanatory. 12 chapters later the Ten Commandments have not been delivered and the people have grown restless. They make the infamous Golden Calf, and worship it. Moses, infuriated, asks who is on God's side, and the sons of Levi respond. Moses then relates the words of God telling them to kill. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9. Is revenge OK? ... thou shalt give life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe. - Exodus 21:23-25 ... resist not evil; but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also. - Matthew 5:39 Interpreted: Exodus 21 is more giving of law. Verses 23 through 25 are the famous eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth verses. Broken down, it is basically the golden rule reversed. Do unto another exactly as they have done to you. Matthew 5 is part of the Sermon on the Mount. Jesus says in verse 38 and 39 say that the author of eye for an eye and tooth for a tooth was wrong, and that to respond in this way is not to resist evil. Boiled down, this is Jesus saying that the Law of God is incorrect and he knows better. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10. Did God speak of attonement? On the tenth day of this seventh month there shall be a day of attonement; it shall be a holy convocation unto you; and ye shall afflict your souls and offer an offering made by fire unto the Lord. - Leviticus 23:27 For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offering or sacrifices. - Jeremiah 7:22 Interpreted:Leviticus 23:27 is part of the Holiness Code. It is the law given from God to Moses. There are 614 articles given ranging from what types of textiles can be used to make clothing to the method of punishment for adulterers. 23:27 is specific instructions for the day of atonement known as Yom Kippur. We clearly see God giving instructions for a burnt sacrifice to God. Jeremiah 7:22 is God speaking his word through the prophet Jeremiah. Either God forgot something, or the author of Jeremiah never read Leviticus. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 11. Is monetary wealth good or bad? Blessed is the man that feareth the Lord... Wealth and riches shall be in his house... - Psalms 112:1-3 It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God. - Matthew 19:24 Interpreted:The first reference is in Psalms and can not be written off as spiritual riches for the chapter goes on to say that the man shall lend his riches and guide all of his affairs with discretion. This is clearly a reference to monetary wealth. The Matthew verse is a quotation from Jesus, himself. He is telling the wealthy to sell all that they have, for the rich can not go to heaven. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12. Is monetary wealth good or bad, again? The rich man's wealth is his strong city. - Proverbs 18:11 It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. - Mark 10:25 Interpreted: This is quite easy to see. The first verse saying that a man's wealth is what will keep him safe, while the second verse says that this safe man will not gain entrance into Heaven. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13. Salvation by faith or by works? For by grace are ye saved through faith... not of works. - Ephesians 2:8-9 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. - James 2:24 Interpreted: Here we have Paul vs. James. Paul is clearly saying that all that is needed for salvation is faith, and that works are not the issue for he wanted no man to boast. He makes it clear that it is a gift from God based on simple belief. James, on the other hand, was trying to get the message across that faith without works is dead, thus faith was not enough. To get this message across he used the example of Abraham offering his son Isaac as a sacrifice to God. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14. Is it OK to judge? In righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbor. - Leviticus 19:15 Judge not, that ye be not judged. - Matthew 7:1 Interpreted:Leviticus 19 is part of the Holiness Code, in which God tells Moses the laws that the people shall follow. The whole verse talks about how one should not respect the poor or honor the mighty. The second verse is self explanatory. It is Jesus talking to his followers in the now infamous Sermon on the Mount. Quite clearly a contradiction from the previous instruction given by God. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Contradictions on Names & Numbers The following are contradictions where a name, number or some other type of statistic is given and then a completely different name, number or statistic is later given. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15. Did Michal have children? Therefore Michal, the daughter of Saul, had no child unto the day of her death. - II Samuel 6:23 The five sons of Michal, the daughter of Saul. - II Samuel 21:8 Interpreted:Here we see an author who could not follow his own story line. These two verses are obviously from the same book, and are assumed to be written by the same author. I will not interpret this at all, for the absurdity of it shall be it's own interpretation. One note of importance is that the name Merab appears in some Bibles, but it does not appear in the Masoretic texts which are used by most Jews today. And Samuel is a Jewish book, after all. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 16. Who commanded David to count the people of Israel? And the anger of the Lord was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say, Go, number Israel. - II Samuel 24:1 And Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel. - I Chronicles 21:1 Interpreted: Here we see a very interesting thing. This is not so much a contradiction as it is something to ponder. This is clearly the retelling of the same story. David was inspired by something to take a census of Israel and Judah. One verse here says it was God's anger and the other verse says that it was Satan. Can this possibly be the same thing? There is no way to know who wrote these books. Whether they were written by separate people or the same person is unknown. I think a case can be made for two separate authors, though, for it would seem redundant for the same person to tell the same story twice. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17. How old was Ahaziah when he began to reign? Two and twenty years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign. - 2 Kings 8:26 Fourty and two years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign. - 2 Chronicles 22:2 Interpreted:This is just poor reference. Nothing can explain this away, just like nothing could explain away the contradiction about the five sons of Michal. Just poor homework if it was two separate authors, or poor memory if it was just one author. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18. Just what was the population of Israel? And, how many fighting men did they have? And Joab gave up the sum of the number of the people unto the king: and there were in Israel eight hundred thousand valiant men that drew the sword; and the men of Judah were five hundred thousand men - 2 Samuel 24:9 And Joab gave the sum of the number of the people unto David. And all they of Israel were a thousand thousand and an hundred thousand men that drew sword: and Judah was four hundred threescore and ten thousand men that drew sword. - 1 Chronicles 21:5 Interpreted: There's two contradictions here! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19. How old was Jehoiachin when he began to reign? And, how long did he reign? Jehoiachin was eighteen years old when he began to reign, and he reigned in Jerusalem three months. And his mother's name was Nehushta, the daughter of Elnathan of Jerusalem. - II Kings 24:8 Jehoiachin was eight years old when he began to reign, and he reigned three months and ten days in Jerusalem: and he did that which was evil in the sight of the LORD. - II Chronicles 36:9 Interpreted: There are two contradictions here, too! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 20. How many stalls of horses? And Solomon had forty thousand stalls of horses for his chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen. - I Kings 4:26 And Solomon had four thousand stalls for horses and chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen; whom he bestowed in the chariot cities, and with the king at Jerusalem. - II Chronicles 9:25 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 21. How many overseers? And Solomon told out threescore and ten thousand men to bear burdens, and fourscore thousand to hew in the mountain, and three thousand and six hundred to oversee them. - II Chronicles 2:2 Beside the chief of Solomon's officers which were over the work, three thousand and three hundred, which ruled over the people that wrought in the work. - I Kings 5:16 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 22. How many baths? And it was an hand breadth thick, and the brim thereof was wrought like the brim of a cup, with flowers of lilies: it contained two thousand baths. - I Kings 7:26 And the thickness of it was an handbreadth, and the brim of it like the work of the brim of a cup, with flowers of lilies; and it received and held three thousand baths. - II Chronicles 4:5 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 23. How many freed Israelites? Are the numbers of Israelites freed from Babylonian captivity in Ezra correct? - Ezra 2 Or are the numbers of Israelites freed from Babylonian captivity in Nehemiah correct? - Nehemiah 7 Interpreted: If you compare the totals of the numbers they do not match, nor do the numbers of people in the individual groups match. The totals do not even add up to the numbers that the authors say that they should! Both agree that the total was 42,360 (Ezra 2:64, Nehemiah 7:66), but they add up to 29,818 (Ezra) and 31,089 (Nehemiah). -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 24. How many singers? Beside their servants and their maids, of whom there were seven thousand three hundred thirty and seven: and there were among them two hundred singing men and singing women. - Ezra 2:65 Beside their manservants and their maidservants, of whom there were seven thousand three hundred thirty and seven: and they had two hundred forty and five singing men and singing women. - Nehemiah 7:67 Interpreted: While this contradiction belongs with the previous one, I wanted to point out that the numbers counted in the two lists were inclusive of both men and women, and not just men as some apologists have suggested. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Contradictions Based on Different Authors Many of the following contradictions are based on the gospels themselves and show how their are clear differences between the tales told. There are, however, some from the Old Testament and other New Testament books, showing that their was not always one clear teaching of an event. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 25. How many animals? And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort shalt thou bring into the ark, to keep them alive with thee; they shall be male and female. Of fowls after their kind, and of cattle after their kind, of every creeping thing of the earth after his kind, two of every sort shall come unto thee, to keep them alive. - Genesis 6:19-20 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female. Of fowls also of the air by sevens, the male and the female; to keep seed alive upon the face of all the earth. - Genesis 7:2-3 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 26. Who did the Midianites sell Joseph to? Then there passed by Midianites merchantmen; and they drew and lifted up Joseph out of the pit, and sold Joseph to the Ishmeelites for twenty pieces of silver: and they brought Joseph into Egypt. - Genesis 37:28 And the Midianites sold him into Egypt unto Potiphar, an officer of Pharaoh's, and captain of the guard. - Genesis 37:36 Interpreted: While these verses are only 8 verses apart, they are written by two different authors. The Documentary Hypothesis maintains that the first verse is written by the "J" (Yahwist) source and the second verse by the "E" (Elohist) source. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 27. What did Jesus drink on the cross? They gave him vinegar to drink, mingled with gall. - Matthew 27:34 And they gave him to drink, wine mingled with myrrh. - Mark 15:23 (Him being Jesus in both cases) Interpreted: This is two different authors account of the same event.... Jesus on the cross. The first is Matthew saying that they gave Jesus to drink vinegar (old wine) mixed with gall, which is a product that comes from the oak tree. It is used in inks and medicines. The second verse is from Mark, and it says wine mixed with myrrh, which is a gum resin used in the making of incense. Mark clearly wrote his gospel first, and Matthew must have not been clear on what Mark meant. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 28. Who can be forgiven? He that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness. - Mark 3:29 And by him that believe are justified from all things. - Acts 13:39 Interpreted: This first verse is Jesus speaking to his disciples. He is basically saying that the one thing that can not be forgiven is blaspheming against the holy ghost. He continues by saying that they run the risk of eternal damnation. The second verse is from Acts, written by the same author who (apparently) wrote the Gospel of Luke. It is Paul addressing the congregation at Antioch. Paul is saying that through belief in Jesus the Christ, all things are forgivable. No exception is made, making me think that Paul was not aware of Jesus' teachings. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 29. Just what were Jesus' last words? A Triple Contradiction: The following are the supposed last words of the living Jesus. Eli, Eli, lama sabachtani? that is to say, ;My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken me? - Matthew 27:46, & -Mark 15:34, though it is Eloi instead of Eli in Mark. Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit - Luke 23:46 It is finished - John 19:30 Interpreted: What can I say here? There is not necessarily a contradiction here..... if you are so stubborn that you refuse to look at the Bible with open eyes. These verses are part of a supposed divine inspiration. If God had inspired these four gospel writers, why did they God inspire them to record different words? And not just different words, but totally different concepts. The obvious answer here is that these four mythmakers chose a different climax for their tales. Odd that John, who generally was the more poetic writer of the four, should choose to end his tale with an anticlimactic death. Isn't Jesus supposed to be part of the Godhead? The mythical trinity? Why would God ask why God had betrayed God? And why would God commend God's spirit to God? Christian confusion of Christian mythology. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 30. How did Judas die? Then Judas, which had betrayed him (Jesus), when he saw that he was condemned, repented himself, and brought again the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders. (4) Saying, I have sinned in that I have betrayed the innocent blood. And they said, What is that to us? see thou to that. (5)And he cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself. (6) And the chief priests took the silver pieces and said, It is not lawful for to put them into the treasury, because it is the price of blood. (7) And they took counsel, and bought with them the potter's field, to bury strangers in. (8) Wherefore that field was called, The field of blood, unto this day. - Matthew 27:3-8 Men and brethren, this scripture must needs have been fulfilled, which the Holy Ghost by the mouth of David spake before concerning Judas, which was guide to them that took Jesus. (17) For he was numbered with us, and had obtained part of this ministry. (18) Now this man purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out. (19) And it was known unto all the dwellers at Jerusalem; insomuch as that field is called in their proper tongue, Aceldama, that is to say, The Field of Blood. - Acts 1:16-19 Interpreted: These two totally contradicting stories explain themselves. They both describe the demise of Judas..... the man who made the biggest sacrifice in this Christian myth. Afterall, if this story is true, Judas must surely have committed the largest sin in history by betraying the messiah. But I digress. The best explanation that any Christian has come up with that I am aware of is this: Judas returned the silver to the priests who bought the land in Judas' name. He went there and hung himself, and hung for days and became swollen and bloated that when they cut him down he burst open. Sometimes the explanation is almost as humorous as the fact that people actually believe the story in the first place... almost as humorous. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 31. How long does it take Jesus to get to Heaven? Or did he know? For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. - Matthew 12:40 Jesus, while hanging on the cross, speaks with one of the two criminals hanging on the crosses next to him. One criminal speaks to Jesus first. And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom. v. And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in Paradise. - Luke 23:42-43 Interpreted: Jesus is the speaker in both cases. The first has the author of Matthew speaking with the scribes and Pharisees who demanded a sign from Jesus. He responded by saying that he would show them a sign even better than the sign of Jonah. The second verse is Jesus on the cross saying that he would be in Paradise (the Kingdom of God) that very day. This is a clear contradiction from the Matthean verse. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 32. When was Jesus transfigured? Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom. (17)And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart, And was transfigured before them... - Matthew 16:28 - 17:2a But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which shall not taste death, till they see the kingdom of God. And it came to pass about an eight days after these sayings, he took Peter and John and James, and went up into a mountain to pray. And as he prayed, the fashion of his countenance was altered, and his raiment was white and glistering. - Luke 9:27-29 Interpreted: Both of these passages recount the time when Jesus' transfiguration occurred. We can clearly see that one of these is wrong. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 33. Who carried Jesus' cross? ... and led him out to crucify him. And they compel one Simon a Cyrennian, who passed by, coming out of the country, the father of Alexander and Rufus to bear his cross. And they bring him unto the place Golgotha, which is, being interpretted, The place of a skull. And they gave him to drink wine mingled with myrrh: but he received it not. And when they had crucified him... - Mark 15:20b-24a Then delivered he him therefore unto them to be crucified. And they took Jesus and led him away. And he bearing his cross went forth into a place called the place of a skull, which is called in the Hebrew Golgotha. Where they crucified him... - John 19:16-18 Interpreted: Clearly some further differences in the respective fairy tales of the Jesus resurrection. Who carried the cross? Neither of the authors of these tales can say for sure because they were not there. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 34. What time was Jesus crucified? And it was the third hour, and they crucified him. - Mark 15:25 And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he (Pilate) saith unto the Jews, Behold your King! But they cried out, Away with him, away with him, crucify him. Pilate saith unto them, Shall I crucify your King? The chief priests answered, We have no king but Caesar. Then delivered he him over therefore unto them to be crucified. And they took Jesus, and led him away. - John 19:14-16 Interpreted: The third hour of the day was 9am and the sixth hour was noon. This is even spelled out in the NRSV Bible which gives the times and not the hour. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 35. Who were Jesus' disciples? And when it was day , he called unto him his disciples: and of them he chose twelve, whom also he named apostles: Simon, (whom he named Peter,) and Andrew his brother, James and John, Philip and Bartholomew, Matthew and Thomas, James the son of Alphaeus, and Simon called Zelotes, And Judas the brother of James, and Judas Iscariot, which also was the traitor. - Luke 6:13-16 Now the names of the twelve apostles are these: The first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother; Philip, and Bartholomew; Thomas, and Matthew the publican; James son of Alphaeus, and Lebbaeus whose surname was Thaddaeus; Simon the Canaanite, and Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed him. - Matthew 10:2-4 Interpreted: The first list was more than likely written second but includes a second Judas. The second list has a Lebbaeus Thaddaeus and only one Judas. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 36. Who was Jesus' grandfather? And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ. - Matthew 1:16 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli, - Luke 3:23 Interpreted: Part of the contradictory genealogies of Jesus. A more in depth study of this can be found here. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 37. Was John Elijah or not? For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John. And if ye will receive it, this is Elias*, which was for to come. - Matthew 11:13-14 And this is the record of John, when the Jews sent priests and Levitesfrom Jerusalem to ask him, Who art thou? And he confessed, and denied not; but confessed, I am not the Christ. And they asked him, What then? Art thou Elias*? And he saith, I am not. Art thou that prophet? And he answered, No. - John 1:19-21 Interpreted: * translated as Elijah in most other versions of the Bible. Is this a contradiction... or was Jesus mistaken? One must be the true answer. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 38. Did Jesus, as God, punish himself? He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: - Luke 1:32 And Josias begat Jechonias and his brethren, about the time they were carried away to Babylon: - Matthew 1:11 PLUS And the sons of Jehoiakim: Jeconiah his son, Zedekiah his son. - I Chronicles 3:16 PLUS Therefore thus saith the LORD of Jehoiakim king of Judah; He shall have none to sit upon the throne of David: and his dead body shall be cast out in the day to the heat, and in the night to the frost. And I will punish him and his seed and his servants for their iniquity; - Jeremiah 36:30-31 Interpreted: Here we can see that all of the seeds of Jehoiakim were to be punished. If Jesus was descended from Jehoiakim, then he must have been punished, as well. But if he was supposed to be God... he would have to punish himself, no? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 39. Did John recognize Jesus before the baptism? Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him. But John forbade him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me? - Matthew 3:13-14 And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him. And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost. - John 1:32-33 Interpreted: The first verse indicates that John the Baptist recognized Jesus before the baptism and tried to resist doing it. The second verse says that John did not recognize Jesus for who he was until after the baptism when the Holy Spirit descended upon him. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 40. Did John recognize Jesus after the baptism? And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him. And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost. - John 1:32-33 Now when John had heard in the prison the works of Christ, he sent two of his disciples, And said unto him, Art thou he that should come, or do we look for another? - Matthew 11:2-3 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 41. Where did Jesus go after his baptism? And immediately the spirit driveth him into the wilderness. And he was there in the wilderness forty days, tempted of Satan; and was with the wild beasts; and the angels ministered unto him. - Mark 1:12-13 The day following Jesus would go forth into Galilee, and findeth Philip, and saith unto him, Follow me. - John 1:43 AND And the third day there was a marriage in Cana of Galilee; and the mother of Jesus was there; And both Jesus was called, and his disciples, to the marriage. - John 2:1-2 Interpreted: This first verse is the beginning of the temptation of Jesus in the desert by Satan. This story does not even appear in John. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 42. Where did Jesus meet Simon Peter and Andrew? And Jesus, walking by the sea of Galilee, saw two brethren, Simon called Peter, and Andrew his brother, casting a net into the sea: for they were fishers. And he saith unto them, Follow me, and I will make you fishers of men. - Matthew 4:18-19 And he (Andrew) brought him to Jesus. And when Jesus beheld him, he said, Thou art Simon the son of Jona: thou shalt be called Cephas, which is by interpretation, A stone. The day following Jesus would go forth into Galilee, and findeth Philip, and saith unto him, Follow me. - John 1:42-43 Interpreted: The first verse is Jesus meeting Peter and Andrew at the Sea of Galilee, and the second is him meeting them one day and then travelling to the Galilee area the following day. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 43. Was Jairus' daughter alive or dead when he came to Jesus? While he spake these things unto them, behold, there came a certain ruler, and worshipped him, saying, My daughter is even now dead: but come and lay thy hand upon her, and she shall live. - Matthew 9:18 And besought him greatly, saying, My little daughter lieth at the point of death: I pray thee, come and lay thy hands on her, that she may be healed; and she shall live. - Mark 5:23 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 44. Did Jesus allow his disciples to carry a staff on their journeys? And commanded them that they should take nothing for their journey, save a staff only; no scrip, no bread, no money in their purse: - Mark 6:8 And he said unto them, Take nothing for your journey, neither staves, nor scrip, neither bread, neither money; neither have two coats apiece. - Luke 9:3 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 45. How did Simon Peter learn that Jesus was the Christ? And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. - Matthew 16:17 He first findeth his own brother Simon, and saith unto him, We have found the Messias, which is, being interpreted, the Christ. - John 1:41 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 46. Who brought the Capernaum centurion's request to Jesus? And when Jesus was entered into Capernaum, there came unto him a centurion, beseeching him, - Matthew 8:5 And when he heard of Jesus, he sent unto him the elders of the Jews, beseeching him that he would come and heal his servant. - Luke 7:3 Then Jesus went with them. And when he was now not far from the house, the centurion sent friends to him, saying unto him, Lord, trouble not thyself: for I am not worthy that thou shouldest enter under my roof: - Luke 7:6 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 47. Was the man in the tax collector's office named Matthew or Levi? And as Jesus passed forth from thence, he saw a man, named Matthew, sitting at the receipt of custom: and he saith unto him, Follow me. And he arose, and followed him. - Matthew 9:9 And as he passed by, he saw Levi the son of Alphaeus sitting at the receipt of custom, and said unto him, Follow me. And he arose and followed him. - Mark 2:14 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 48. Did Jesus speak openly to his disciples or in secret? Jesus answered him, I spake openly to the world; I ever taught in the synagogue, and in the temple, whither the Jews always resort; and in secret have I said nothing. - John 18:20 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables? He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given. - Matthew 13:10-11 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 49. Did Jesus ride into Jerusalem on one animal or two? And they brought him to Jesus: and they cast their garments upon the colt, and they set Jesus thereon. - Luke 19:35 And brought the ass, and the colt, and put on them their clothes, and they set him thereon. - Matthew 21:7 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 50. Did Jesus cleanse the Temple in Jerusalem on the first or second day? And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves, - Matthew 21:12 And Jesus entered into Jerusalem, and into the temple: and when he had looked round about upon all things, and now the eventide was come, he went out unto Bethany with the twelve. And on the morrow, when they were come from Bethany, he was hungry - Luke 11:11-12 And they come to Jerusalem: and Jesus went into the temple, and began to cast out them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves; - Luke 11:15 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 51. Did the tree that Jesus cursed wither immediately or overnight? And when he saw a fig tree in the way, he came to it, and found nothing thereon, but leaves only, and said unto it, Let no fruit grow on thee henceforward for ever. And presently the fig tree withered away. - Matthew 21:19 And Jesus answered and said unto it, No man eat fruit of thee hereafter for ever. And his disciples heard it - Mark 11:14 And in the morning, as they passed by, they saw the fig tree dried up from the roots. - Mark 11:20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 52. Did Jesus say that Peter would deny him three times before the cock crowed once or twice? Jesus answered him, Wilt thou lay down thy life for my sake? Verily, verily, I say unto thee, The cock shall not crow, till thou hast denied me thrice. - John 13:38 And Jesus saith unto him, Verily I say unto thee, That this day, even in this night, before the cock crow twice, thou shalt deny me thrice. - Mark 14:30 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 53. Where was Jesus on the sixth hour of the crucifixion? ...And they that were crucified with him reviled him. And when the sixth hour was come, there was darkness over the whole land until the ninth hour. - Mark 15:32-33 And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King! But they cried out, Away with him, away with him, crucify him. - John 19:14-15 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 54. What was written on the sign on the cross? And the superscription of his accusation was written over, THE KING OF THE JEWS. - Mark 15:26 And set up over his head his accusation written, THIS IS JESUS THE KING OF THE JEWS. - Matthew 27:37 And a superscription also was written over him in letters of Greek, and Latin, and Hebrew, THIS IS THE KING OF THE JEWS. - Luke 23:38 And Pilate wrote a title, and put it on the cross. And the writing was JESUS OF NAZARETH THE KING OF THE JEWS. - John 19:19 Interpreted: Why would God inspire 4 authors to record different details? God wouldn't. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 55. Who annointed Jesus' dead body with spices... and when? And there came also Nicodemus, which at the first came to Jesus by night, and brought a mixture of myrrh and aloes, about an hundred pound weight. Then took they the body of Jesus, and wound it in linen clothes with the spices, as the manner of the Jews is to bury. - John 19:39-40 And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him. - Mark 16:1 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 56. Did the women buy the spices to annoint Jesus' body before the sabbath or after? And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment. Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them. - Luke 23:56 - 24:1 And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him. - Mark 16:1 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 57. Is all scripture ptofitable? All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: - II Timothy 3:16 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof. - Hebrews 7:18 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Contradictions that are Just Silly These contradictions defy explanation. They just do not fit into any other category and can not be explained away through any use of anything resembling logic or reason. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 58. Did Jesus bring peace or warfare (spiritual or otherwise)? Think not that I come to send peace on earth: I come not to send peace, but a sword. - Matthew 10:34 ... all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword. - Matthew 26:52 Interpreted:This is interesting. The first verse is Jesus saying that he has come to shake things up, and that it is going top be violent. Surely, Jesus was using the sword metaphorically. The second verse is not used metaphorically, but figuratively. He is saying that all who use the sword will die this way. The author of Matthew should have probably chosen another word in one of these words so it does not make Jesus look like a fool. Clearly, the author wrote these two verses some time apart. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 59. Is Jesus in danger of hellfire? Whosoever shall say Thou fool, shall be in danger of hellfire. - Matthew 5:22 [Jesus said] Ye fools and blind. - Matthew 23:17 Interpreted: Whoops! Again we see the author of Matthew suffering from confusion. These are both attributed to Jesus by the author, and again the author makes Jesus look like a fool. Whoops, I should be careful. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 60. Did Jesus teach his followers to do their deeds openly or in secret? Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works. - Matthew 5:16 Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them. - Matthew 6:1 Interpreted: This first verse is Jesus telling his disciples to let all see their good works that they may serve as an example to others. The second verse is Jesus talking to his disciples, telling them to be careful not to do their charity in front of men for to do so is not meritting of entrance into Heaven. Poor Jesus! Having to be written about by a man like this. That people are confused about Jesus is no wonder. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 61. Is Jesus to be trusted? If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true. - John 5:31 I am one that bear witness of myself... - John 8:18 (Jesus speaking in both quotes) Interpreted: Here we have another author making a fool of Jesus. The first verse is Jesus speaking to the Jews who would persecute him. He says that he does the will of his father. The second verse is Jesus saying that he bears witness of himself and his father. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 62. Did Jesus think that he was God? I and my father are one. - John 10:30 ... I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I. - John 14:28 (Jesus speaking in both quotes) Interpreted: Poor Jesus. The first verse is John recording that Jesus equated himself with God, his father. The second verse is John recording that Jesus said that his father (God) is greater than he. Simple math proves that these two verses can not co-exist, and yet...here they do. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 63. Did Paul's travelling companions see and hear correctly? And the men which journyed with [Paul] stood speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man. - Acts 9:7 And they that were with me [Paul] saw indeed the light and were afraid; but they heard not the voice of him that spake to me. - Acts 22:9 Interpreted: Again, the same author as the Gospel of Luke. This first verse is Luke relating the story of Paul's encounter with the spirit of Jesus that caused his conversion. The second is Paul relating this story to some men that had been beating him. The first says the men heard a voice but saw no man, while the second says that they saw a light but did not hear a voice. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 64. How many children did Abraham have? Abraham had two sons; one by a bonds-maid, the other by a free woman. - Galtians 4:22 By faith, Abraham when he was tried offered up Isaac... his only begotten son. - Hebrews 11:17 Interpreted: These two epistles (letters) are supposedly written by Paul, though there is some controversy over who wrote Hebrews and when it was written. In the first verse, Paul related that Abraham had had two sons, one of a slave, and one of a free woman. The second verse, however, says that Abraham was tested and offered up his only begotten son, Isaac. Paul clearly knew that Ishmael was also begotten by Abraham, but must have forgotten it when he wrote this letter. Or maybe this is further proof that Paul did not write this. Or maybe they did not know their Torah very well: Then again Abraham took a wife, and her name was Keturah. And she bare him Zimran, and Jokshan, and Medan, and Midian, and Ishbak, and Shuah. - Genesis 25:1-2 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 65. Who has ascended to heaven? No man hath ascended up to Heaven, but he that came down from Heaven, even the Son of Man. -John 3:13 And Elijah went up by a whirlwind into Heaven -II Kings 2:11 and: Also Enoch was taken bodily to Heaven at the age of 365. -Genesis 5:24 Interpreted: Here we see that either the author of John had very little knowledge of early scripture or Jesus did. If it was the author of John, we can write it off to poor myth-making. If it was Jesus, then we can assume that Jesus is either not part of the all-knowing trinity or said trinity is not all-knowing. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 66. Who was King Abijah's mother? He reigned three years in Jerusalem. His mother's name also was Michaiah the daughter of Uriel of Gibeah. And there was war between Abijah and Jeroboam. - II Chronicles 13:2 And after her he took Maachah the daughter of Absalom; which bare him Abijah, and Attai, and Ziza, and Shelomith. - II Chronicles 11:20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 67. How many generations were there between the Babylonian exile to the birth of Jesus? So all the generations from Abraham to David are fourteen generations; and from David until the carrying away into Babylon are fourteen generations; and from the carrying away into Babylon unto Christ are fourteen generations. - Matthew 1:17 And after they were brought to Babylon, Jechonias begat Salathiel; and Salathiel begat Zorobabel; (13)And Zorobabel begat Abiud; and Abiud begat Eliakim; and Eliakim begat Azor; (14)And Azor begat Sadoc; and Sadoc begat Achim; and Achim begat Eliud; (15)And Eliud begat Eleazar; and Eleazar begat Matthan; and Matthan begat Jacob; (16)And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ - Matthew 1:12-16 Interpreted oor Matthew. He was a very poor mathmetician.-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 68. When Paul saw the light and fell to the ground, did his travelling companions also fall? But rise, and stand upon thy feet: for I have appeared unto thee for this purpose, to make thee a minister and a witness both of these things which thou hast seen, and of those things in the which I will appear unto thee; (17)Delivering thee from the people, and from the Gentiles, unto whom now I send thee, (18)To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me. - Acts 26:16-18 And I said, What shall I do, LORD? And the Lord said unto me, Arise, and go into Damascus; and there it shall be told thee of all things which are appointed for thee to do. - Acts 22:10 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 69. Who killed Saul? Then said Saul unto his armourbearer, Draw thy sword, and thrust me through therewith; lest these uncircumcised come and thrust me through, and abuse me. But his armourbearer would not; for he was sore afraid. Therefore Saul took a sword, and fell upon it. - I Samuel 31:4 And he (Saul) said unto me, Who art thou? And I answered him, I am an Amalekite. (9)He said unto me again, Stand, I pray thee, upon me, and slay me: for anguish is come upon me, because my life is yet whole in me. (10)So I stood upon him, and slew him, because I was sure that he could not live after that he was fallen: and I took the crown that was upon his head, and the bracelet that was on his arm, and have brought them hither unto my lord. - II Samuel 1:8-10 _______________ Part-Time Player (Weekend Warrior). Recipient of the prestigious "Longest-Post-Ever Award" (bestowed on me by Flash on March 23rd, 2004) This comment was edited by Bandit on Mar 22 2004 11:43am. |
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So if u believe in God u believe in the devil so to speak? I guess he gides these sick people who attack children and murder people etc... ? _______________ If you add me to MSN, tell me who you are
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Well Monteh is it easier to believe in the big bang or a similar scientific theory? How in the universe is it possible to make something from nothing? A logical explanation to this is of course God or as some latent scientists have called it a .... well i forget the exact term ahh thats it .. a 'first cause'. Now while i dont believe in the big bang by any regards i believe firmly in God, not just as a 'first cause' but as a cause for everything. and again by you saying (not accusing you of anything but humanity) that its hard to believe that God was guiding the hand(s) that wrote the Bible is taking something completely out of context. Just imagine that God exists for a second. * God is all powerful and the creator of heaven and earth * God has direct power over people and this is seen in the Bible It can be concluded thusly that if God is all powerful and has direct control over people that he is very easily able to guide the hands of those who wrote the Bible. Putting all that aside it is undeniable (or indeniable) that the books of the Bible were writting all at different times by different people, this is proven history. It is also interesting to note that everything in the Bible is cohesive - it works together and doesn't directly contradict itself (contradiction occurs in interpretations thats why we have so many denominations) Don't think that you are doing anything wrong by questioning God or the Bible. Everyone does. Faith isn't following unquestioningly - its conviction through belief; you are convinced by the teachings and truth of the Bible agree with the principles of Christianity, you HAVE questioned the Bible but you have found answers that work. For those who want to know more i'll post a brief summary of the Bible and my religion which i carry in my wallet - IF YOU REQUEST IT - I dont want to bore people with something they're not interested in. |
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Honestly I don't believe the Torah or it's sequel was passed to us by god. I think the movie wasn't really that accurate, but then again I don't know much about the sequel. _______________ My car is made of Nerf. |
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Monteeeeeee - Nugget 
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Ok i have to believe wot u guys tell me, but its kinda hard to believe is it not? _______________ If you add me to MSN, tell me who you are
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Monty, the men that wrote the books in the bible were basically being told what to write by God. I don't know how to put it exactly. God was guiding their hand I guess you could say. That's why they say its his book. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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Never heard of anyone speaking to god. Man wrote the bible, hows it Gods book. Sorry im not religous due to personaly reasons. I dont wanna argue with anyone. Just wondered if anyone can answer that. _______________ If you add me to MSN, tell me who you are
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I agree with Koyi and Eternal Silence, and from what Ive heard the movie is very much like the book in detail, Of course Im going to see it for myself and confirm it, heh cant believe everything. and if u think its a bit REALISTIC or 'nonholy' *shakes head* or w/e.. Well heheh, thats how it really was back then people were like that yeah, alot of people thought it was just dandy back then, nah. If u see the movie and are wondering if any of its true.. the movie, the story that is.. Just check the book, like all books , its always better and more detail then the movie. _______________ |
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Eternal_Silence - Ex-Student
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Well actually I and my church has interpreted the commandment - Thou shalt have no graven image etc. to mean that you should not symbolise your beliefs into material form. Worshipping the cross, statues of Mary and idols are forbidden because it lessens the value of Jesus' sacrifice and turns faith in God into faith of tangible and visible symbols or objects. Presenting the life of Jesus in a film isnt turning everyone around and saying, hey look its Jesus in technicolour lets worship the actor, the film or the tv, its a medium of spreading the Gospel (however inaccurate or accurate it is). Also with "God's word not your word being a slap in the face" is a legitimate claim, however in order to understand what it is to believe or acknowledge this put yourself in a hypothetical situation. If God really does exist then His will SHOULD be acknowledged over our own. If Jesus really was God on earth then we deserve much more than a slap in the face. The thing is that you cant analyse each individual aspect by itself. If you're going to take one part of the Bible or teaching and criticise it, you need to do so in the context of a Christian. Put simply, if you don't know what it is to be Christian - what they believe in and why - then how can you understand the Gospel? If you seriously want to know more about the Bible, for either religious reasons or otherwise, then the best thing to do is pick it up and read it. You can learn so much about other religions by looking at their creedence. I don't just ask that you read it and say "yes" or "no" but that you critically engage it. Ask questions of yourself and others if you wish. Don't be stupid and follow it blindly, what intelligence does that show? You should have a knowledge of what you preach whether it be Christian or anti-Christian. For all you other Christians out there this applies to you as well. If you have any queries whatsoever about the content of the Bible or you current religious practices then God WANTS you to find the answers - to analyse the Bible, to understand it so that you can eventually see the truth it presents. If you want to just debate this further I'll be happy to do so. Same applies if you have any questions about my religion, religion in general or if you want to slam me. If your still skeptical about the entire Jesus existing thing then you dont need to look far. Jesus existed alright. There are hundreds of accounts of his existence. Ask yourself this question if in doubt of just his physical existence ... Do you believe in Julius Caesar? Serious question ... do you? IS there any reason to doubt if your history teachers have been wrong. Only 7 incomplete documents of Julius Caesars existence have been found and all date at least 50 years after his death. Literally hundreds of documents and source material have been found including the Bible that relate to Jesus Christ exisiting and his crucifiction. As for whether he was God's son or not is for you to decide and not for me to tell you. |
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JamesF1 - Student
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Quote: All I have to say is this. God gave us the Bible and tells us that His Word and His Word alone saves people. He also tells us that let God be true and every man a liar. That movie was full of seens and added story that never was apart of the original story in the Bible. Well made movie for the most part. Very queezy on any Jesus movie. Does God command us not to make any image of anything in heaven? Many will take that scripture and run many different ways with it, but I fear it. God gave us His Word and I think that's good enough for all of us. I admit though, I had to see it myself.  w00teh w00teh! Go Koyi _______________ Website |
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Meh, all this "God's word, nobody elses" crap is a slap in the face of every person of any non-Christian faith, in my opinion. I still want to see this movie, though. |
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Jacen Aratan - Student |
Denmark owns.... it lasted 1 week here, then 90% of all theatres had stopped showing it. Never even saw a trailer in TV. |
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