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Ulic Belouve - Student  |
Back by popular demand and/or necessity, is my writing I did on Patience. It went over well 3 months ago, so I hope it goes over just as well now.
Here it is: I've decided to give a lesson in patience, as so many students in the Academy are so eager to get to the next rank. This lesson in patience can really extend to all of life as well, and I encourage you to use it beyond the Academy. Added note: This IS 3 months old, think of how things may have changed since then. Because of the lesson below, I gave the proposal of the points system. It was implemented shortly after, and I want you to take a look at how it, among other things, helps to address the issue below. You've obviously taken note of the advances in technology, since you ARE playing online. You probably marvel like I do at all the great things it can do, but never take into account the drawback to such technology: the price we pay in patience. C'mon, I microwave my chicken wings in 7 minutes because I can't wait 25 to do them in the oven. I e-mail my campus friends because it's quicker than trying to hunt them down and talk to them. How many of us can find an instance where technology has made us impatient? So we are quite the impatient people. Everyone involves themselves in things prematurely. Kids drink at a younger age, smoke at a younger age, date and have sex at a younger age. Mainly because everyone is just so dang impatient. We can't wait to get the good stuff, to "grab it all now". But we've lost sense of the principle of seasons. The role of spring is different than the role of the fall, and in the same way, each of the seasons in our own lives have different emphasis and focus. One season is not better than the other, each one holds it own unique treasures, the autumn leaves, the winter snowflakes, the spring blossoms, and the summer sun. And here's the key thought: We cannot skip ahead to experience the riches of another life season any more than a farmer can rush the spring. Each season builds on the one before it, each season needs to run its course. Just because something is good, doesn't mean we should pursue it right now. We have to remember that the right thing at the wrong time is the wrong thing. Let me restate that so it sinks in: The right thing at the wrong time is...the wrong thing. So look at all the students who are trying to force a change of seasons. They rush ahead in rank, not knowing the rules or discipline. Each season needs to run its course. And now look at the world, all of those who rush into something out of impatience. How many broken homes come as a result of this impatience? How many errors could have been undone if we stopped to have patience, and not force the season? And look at your own life. Heh. I laugh because you and I are both thinking of some recent instance where one rushed in headlong. Remember, the right thing at the wrong time is the wrong thing. So for the academy, have patience in many things. Patience in your rank, patience in your skills, patience with your instructors, patience with students, and patience in duels. Do not feel this should discourage your advancement, but encourage you to let your current position, your current season, run its course. Extend this patience in as many areas as you can, and you are well on your way to becoming a master of something greater than the Force; a master of yourself. _______________ Jedi do not fight for peace. That's only a slogan, and is as misleading as slogans always are. Jedi fight for civilization, because only civilization creates peace. |
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Doppelgänger - Student 
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Well said Sared! I'm happy to see that this was posted again. I only hope that people try to apply this knowledge. _______________ "Look not back in anger, nor forward in fear But around you in awareness." Ross Hersey |
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Sared - Retired 
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On a seperate note, I believe that this lesson can be extended to s lot of the newer players that are becoming impatient with the amount of laming that goes on both on our servers as well as the publics. It takes a great amount of patience to withold yourself from lashing out at them in your frustration. Just yesterday I was on Home and was getting mad at an un-mentionable student who couldn't get it through his head that he was to use clean language on our servers. This kind of thing, though wearing, will pass and he will learn to grow up, or learn what the term 'IP Ban' means.  Have Patience, persevere. Remember that the person you are dealing with is going through a season of life just as you are, even though theirs may seem a little more severe. P.S. On a side note, I already took my j-man trial so I'm HOPING I don't have to worry about that anymore.  _______________ I'm crazy, not stupid. |
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SaberWeildinKow - Student 
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Imma save that somwherez... |
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Fizz of Belouve - Student 
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*bump*  _______________ One of the Belouve boys, founder of the mighty FiZZsters Midbie council #20 - Fizz - #1933 - Jan '03 - Aug '04 "Renfield, you idiot!" |
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Ulic Belouve - Student 
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Um...this isn't really a dicussion on classes and points, really, but I will interject one last thing for all of you on the topic:
You CAN get points by having instruction from an individual. I am sure that if you qualify, some JAK or JAT will teach you advanced stuff in private, and you can get your point. I am sure that if you approach with the proper attitude, someone will teach you. AND.... Remember that skill is not the only thing needed for rank. You might need time and patience to learn that which you cannot learn in classes. You need time for your mind and attitude to catch up to your skill. Just because you can defeat everyone in the academy does not mean that you have truly mastered everything. Like I said, try to become a master of yourself. Time is the best teacher. _______________ Jedi do not fight for peace. That's only a slogan, and is as misleading as slogans always are. Jedi fight for civilization, because only civilization creates peace. |
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Carve - Student 
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Patience is important, yes. However, one must also remember that people -can- advance at different speeds, whereas this limits the fast people to go slow. Now I understand the need for patience, and to learn, etc. etc., but I sympathize with Insaniac's position. I was, to say the least, irked, when I was refused entrance to an advanced dueling class, that is, a class focussing entirely on dueling, where I was, to say without bragging, more than qualified based on the skill of those attending and the instructor.
Different people are different, and when I scroll through the class lists, I see a lot of classes that don't hold any significance for me. The vast majority of classes are of beginner learning level, and I could in fact be teaching them. Those that are intermediate I have taken, with the exclusion of those that I CAN NOT attend due to work. The rest -were- (as I am jman now) unattendable due to rank restrictions. So I was at a dead end. I had some foul choices. Should I take classes I don't need solely for the points? Should I re-enroll in classes I had full understanding in, again, for the points? Or should I sit idly by, unable to take -any- classes, hoping something different will show up? I have my own ambitions, and they are supported not by my own self but others as well. Only because I took my jman, and luck, which brought several new classes about, am I able to continue my advancement. Patience I can understand, but sitting idly by and relying on faith is a bit too much. _______________ © |
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ioshee - Student 
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insaniac, I love you man, but I think you missed Ulic's point. You may think you're ready, you may know you're ready, but it can only benefit you to do things in the proper order.
One: this is a free thing so complaining about the way something works seems silly to me. Two: there are tons of classes that are non-restricted that you can benefit from. You make it sound like the only class you can take besides “Old-style saber” is “How to do a backstab 101”. _______________ One of the Belouve boys |
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Fizz of Belouve - Student
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love is always a very nice comparision. u cant hurry love...*da dada da da*
patience goes hand in hand with thought, and the one who thinks before acting is always over the one who doesnt. my point. _______________ One of the Belouve boys, founder of the mighty FiZZsters Midbie council #20 - Fizz - #1933 - Jan '03 - Aug '04 "Renfield, you idiot!" |
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SilkMonkey - Distributor of Cold Ones 
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hence, i am not taking my jman trial for a while. _______________ |-HK-47 -SilkMonkey: You are receiving a warning for being_too_sexy. If you do not stop, action will be taken against you.|| (11:13:43) � Virtue dances for Silk ||Smiling owner of Smilykrazy's 6000th comment =) ||Odan Wei's Proud Big Brother|| Janus is my official TaruTaru Cuddly Animal Type Person. ||(@Virtue) Or you could just be a man and set fire to your genitals.....you won't fall asleep for days after that.......trust me.||Thomas Skywalker er for sexy for sitt eget beste!!!!| Not changing sig until the JA loosens up. (Started: Aug 31, 2005) |
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Acura Belouve - Student 
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I agree with Ulic I am a patient person but soemtimes when im eager il grab it if I have the chance. I am eager to attempt to go to the next rank but i persoanlly feel as though im not ready at all. Patience is name of the game........... _______________ |
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Sniya - Student 
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sorry its long and im lazy(plus i dont got the patientce) _______________ The real question is not whether machines think but whether men do. Bertrand Russell http://www.thejediacademy.net/forums_detail_page.php?f_id=970 |
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Kalheka - Student 
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Well said Ulic. I will add this to what you have to say. In gaming, or in life, there is no substitute for experience. You can rush learning, and maybe get by. You can't rush experience.
What that means might not be obvious to you. Experience teaches you the difference between just knowing how to do something, and when doing it is most effective. When your in a battle on the server, you learn when and where you can do an effective lunge, or dfa, etc. You can learn how long before you learn when, or why. The point is, take more time. Get some experience. Don't try to ascend the ranks quickly because you will miss out. A true Knight values wisdom over rank. _______________ Death is only the beginning. |
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Insaniac[JAP] - Ex-Student ![Insaniac[JAP]](/image_thumbnail.php?f_type=users&f_width=70&f_height=52&f_image=insaniac.jpg)
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ok, for those saying that the learners and Initiates might not be skilled enough or mature enough or whatever, i would like ot point out that Huxley was really cool and let me attend the old style saber class, granted i probably didn't get the full effect, but i understand how it works and have practised it in my spare time.
I would like to think that a person will realise when he is trying to learn more complicated stuff and won't get it, that he will respectifully bow out of the class after private messsaging the teacher, with something like "I'm sorry _____ but i think i need to take some more classes and that i am not quite ready for this one" or the teacher will suggest it to the student, and for the ones that misbehave, why do you think JaT have the power they have? granted it is a pain to do it, but i have never seen someone disrupt a class... i understand and live with (and in some cases even aplaud) the "please have taken such and such classes or have experiances equivilant to those classes" that is a very good idea, it tells the person what skills they need to get the full effect from the class, and doesn't exclude the lower members if they think they are ready. so all i ask is not set a limit on the classes someone can join, merely tell them what else they need to know and let them decide whether they are ready or not. After all i played and beat the game multiple times before i even got online and played the demo for weeks while spawning Multiple reborns for me to fight so i knew more than somone who just picked up the game and signed on, so i knew everything for the Learner trail when i joined, and knew most if not all for the journeyman trail, but i just didn't care about ranked, i came to learn and to teach when i have learned everything i can as my way of repaying you guys for improving my skills, only when i started seeing casses restricted to certain ranks did i start caring aobut gaining rank. _______________ Midbie Council Member #13 Padawan of SilkMonkey Stuntman extraordinaire |
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Ulic Belouve - Student 
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I would agree with the college course idea.
I studied terrorism since 1999. I wrote PAPERS on it to send to the military in 2001. But when was I allowed to take the course on Terrorism? In 2003. I know tons more than my instructor in many areas, but the requirements for the course we plainly laid out, I had to have such a standing within the college to gain the ability to take such a course. And you know what? I was impatient, but learned to show some patience on the issue. And during those years that I had to WAIT to take a course, I learned more in things that were not terrorism (like how to be technical in papers, how to hold good arguments, middle eastern religions) all stuff relevant to terrorism, the very building blocks that they wanted me to have, but I did not think I needed, because I felt I knew more than enough about terrorism to take the class. Even if one is impatient to LEARN, you are still being impatient. Look at my example, and I feel that the same applies here. There are many more things that we probably don't want to take time to explain, that you should know. Being impatient and complaining will probably get you to trump the system and get into the class, but you not only defeated the system, but you let yourself be defeated as well. Letting your impatience win over you is no way to become a Knight. Anakin felt he was ready for the trials, but Obi-Wan was holding him back. He had his crybaby fit, threw stuff around, and ultimately erradicated all the Jedi. Don't be like that. Really, I encourage each of you that have been here already to look at the post you have made and FORCE yourself to pull out some form of impatience therein. _______________ Jedi do not fight for peace. That's only a slogan, and is as misleading as slogans always are. Jedi fight for civilization, because only civilization creates peace. |
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Fizz of Belouve - Student 
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yeah bubu I agree.
but take in consideration that lots of people here are not going to a college/university/whatever. they expect JATs and others to teach them at all costs, be that a class. To my mind we should do some mandatory classes for newbies to the JA where these things are explained. these hadn't to be on the servers, though. could as well happen on IRC. _______________ One of the Belouve boys, founder of the mighty FiZZsters Midbie council #20 - Fizz - #1933 - Jan '03 - Aug '04 "Renfield, you idiot!" |
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Bubu - Hubbub 
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but you're right ioshee.. it is true that some of you initiates and learners know enough and are skilled enough, but most people of those ranks aren't. if you take huxley's old-style saber class, he expects you to know all the basic stuff already. he can't spend 30 minutes teaching the new people how to block, or combos or something. so it is only fair that you let the people who were here longer to have more advanced classes without having the new people slowing everyone down. if you feel you are ready for advanced classes, you're gonna have to wait until you have the requirements. when you go to college, you will have to take all the "beginner" courses even if you feel that you are ready for more advanced stuff. that way, everyone is 100% sure that you can do what is asked of you during the class.  _______________ make install -not war |
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ioshee - Student
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Don't get on to Huxley DJ. There is a reason it is only for Journeymen and Knights (easy for me to say right, I can take it.) _______________ One of the Belouve boys |
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aph3x - Retired 
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Yeah, I really want to take that old style combat class. really bad |
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DJ Sith - Jedi Council 
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Flat out refusing certain ranks kinda irks me. I didn't really know that was going on.. :/ I'll have a chat with them about that.
The only exception to the rule I can see is a trial prep class (eg only Learners should go to a JMan prep class, etc.). That I'm cool with. _______________ My car is made of Nerf. |
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YubYub - Student 
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I'll go along with that. Granted there are a lot of things that the JAT, JACs etc know that i don't...yet. But surely if the instructor put a not eat the top of the class "This class is recommended for higher ranks. We suggest you take this class first". at least they are then suggesting instead of flatout refusing. Like you said there are Initiates out there who are amazing and would get J-Man or even Knight in an instant given the chance. |
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Masterw/AMohawk[JAP] - Ex-Student ![Masterw/AMohawk[JAP]](/image_thumbnail.php?f_type=users&f_width=51&f_height=70&f_image=Masterwmohawk.jpg)
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lol, that is also a very good point, I've been dying to take OldStyle Saber Technique, basically since I joined, lol. You are right, but I will say that being a higher rank does also kind of show that you're not immature and disruptive, etc... I mean there are alot of classes where the JAT's specifically ahve to say "Look, this is somewhat hard to teach, it takes a long time, I need you all to just listen and not goof off", and you know, anybody could join some class and then just start being a complete arse, I even have a few in mind atm, lol. Most people will never make j-man if they act in a diruptive and disrespectful manner.
I definetly agrre with you though, because I know of many people who are quite adnaced even compared to some of the knights, that would have to earn their way from the bottom again... taking a whole class on how to lunge, how to dfa blah blah blah. _______________ [Oi Oi Oi!!] |
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Insaniac[JAP] - Ex-Student ![Insaniac[JAP]](/image_thumbnail.php?f_type=users&f_width=70&f_height=52&f_image=insaniac.jpg&f_odd=1)
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I have a reply to this, but first I am copying a post I made in a class server... "geeze, I hate this, this play upon the assumption that the Learners and Initiates aren't smart/good enough to learn from this class or have anything that they might be able to teach to other people when I have seen many beat the Jaks and Jats time and again, this is like a slap in the face for not trying to rush to Journeyman when I had the chance" ok, so what it basically mean is that I had the chance and the skills to become a Journeyman before the points system came up and now the teachers are RESTRICTING classes to just people of a certain rank, and you are now questioning why we want to gain rank, I mean if you let anyone take any class and such I wouldn’t even care about gaining rank, but since you guys are assuming that the Learners and Initiates don't know enough you don't let them take a class and they have to take a bench of classes about stuff that is a rehash or a review of staff they already learned how to do just so they can take more advanced classes, I can't count how many classes I myself have taken that I can't list them any more. So in short, we are inpatient to gain rank because you guys restrict what a person can learn instead of believing he can judge for him or herself whether or not they are ready to get the full effect from a class, you make them want to quickly gain in rank so they can actually LEARN something. _______________ Midbie Council Member #13 Padawan of SilkMonkey Stuntman extraordinaire |
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Masterw/AMohawk[JAP] - Ex-Student
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Couldn't agree more, I could have tkane my trial last week, but I didn't feel at all ready, and even though some of the people that made learner around the same time as me, and have been jounreyman for a week, I just don't it to even TRY till I'm ready. Anothe concern for myself is that I don't feel good at the game at all, I contsantly get beat and well, sometimes I'm not even sure why, some night I'm nearly unsotppable and some nights I'm like a slab of meat. I would be ashamed of myself if I waved a banner like I'm great because I'm a j-man, and don't even feel confident myself.
Great writing Ulic.... I hope you all have the time to read it. _______________ [Oi Oi Oi!!] |
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