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So I went out in my backyard and did some trap shooting yesterday with my mossberg 12Gauge shotgun, (i'm 17 and it is registered to my name) and i decieded it would be interesting to see what the ppl here think.. I own my own gun, how many other ppl own there own guns, and how many ppl would get freaked out if i brought that fact up in normal conversation -Dice _______________ Dicemaster |
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Does it bother you that i'm 17 years old and I own my own gun, and could walk into a store and buy one and be out of the store with the gun in under 10 minutes (in certain parts of the United States, completely legal. Also its a shotgun, a pistol has a 10 day waiting period like anywhere else)
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Command13(JAS) - Ex-Student 
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I cant prove about Switzerland i dont even remember where i learned that sorry maybe i shouldent have put it anyway the florida i cant show proof but its public _______________ Do not show fear for if you do you cannot claim Victory |
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Halendor - Ex-Student 
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Quote: Here's another one in Switzerland everybody has to have a gun the guns and ammo are issued to them from the goverment oh yea BTW there Submachineguns if i remember correctly and there even trained to use them every 6 monthes or a year not sure which on the goverments bill and there crime rate is like nothing well just a few interesting facts to thing about Where did you get that from?  |
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Shang Chi - Student 
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Quote: If you ban guns, only the illegal guns will be left. Only for a certain timeperiod yes I repeat as I said before you can't put the genie back in the bottle. Since we have the knowledge of how to make guns, there will always be someone who will make them for profit. Just like nuclear science gave us the bomb, we will always be in fear of someone who will make one and use it. So there will never be a total destruction of guns. _______________ Thirty spokes converge on a single hub, but it is in the space where there is nothing that the usefulness of the cart lies. Clay is molded to make a pot, but it is the space where there is nothing that the usefulness of the clay pot lies. Cut out doors and windows to make a room, but it is in the spaces where there is nothing that the usefulness of the room lies. Therefore, Benefit may be derived from something, but it is in nothing that we find usefulness. |
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Dicemaster - Student 
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obi...i don't use the selfdefesne theory for my gun. Its not even a pistol, its a shotgun, so -Dice _______________ Dicemaster |
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(Jedi)Obi-JK - Student 
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Command13(JAS) You got anything to verify these statements, they seem awful hard to swallow to me. _______________ Silent Bob (Kevin Smith): You know, there's a million fine looking women in the world, dude. But they don't all bring you lasagna at work. Most of 'em just cheat on you. -Steve (Obi) |
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Command13(JAS) - Ex-Student 
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Heres a couple interesting facts in florida when they passed the law where people can carry concealed weapons or have them in thier car the crime rate dropped from 67 percent to 16 percent Here's another one in Switzerland everybody has to have a gun the guns and ammo are issued to them from the goverment oh yea BTW there Submachineguns if i remember correctly and there even trained to use them every 6 monthes or a year not sure which on the goverments bill and there crime rate is like nothing well just a few interesting facts to thing about _______________ Do not show fear for if you do you cannot claim Victory |
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(Jedi)Obi-JK - Student
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Quote: Which is exactly why I think you can't ban guns in a country where they were allowed. I think we need to find a solution to lower the death toll though. If you ban guns, only the illegal guns will be left. Only for a certain timeperiod yes. I wish I could find a study to show where the illegal guns come from. I am willing to guess that like 80% of them come from legal purchase, then getting stolen. I don't think your average criminal who is breaking into a suburbanian home, worth < 200,000 would have all that many connections to get a handgun, if they were illegal. Again to say this again because people are obviously not listening, YOU DONT NEED A LETHAL WEAPON FOR PROTECTION. What do you want to kill someone if they break into your house you sadistic asshole? There are plenty of non-lethal ways to put down a criminal. Here a few. 1.) Taser The new Advanced Taser M-18 series has a 99% effectiveness rating. It combines the injury reducing benefits of traditional stun technology with a quantum leap in stopping power via new Electro-Muscular Disruption (EMD) technology. In police studies, the new Advanced Taser has a higher instant incapacitation rate than a 9mm hand gun. The Advanced Taser shoots out 2 darts attached to 15 feet of wire. 50,000 volts travel over the wires and over-ride the central nervous system providing incredible takedown power. Cost: $400.00 USD 2.) Pepper Spray Acccurate and effective up to 14 feet Cost: 25.00 USD 3.) A Really good home alarm system. Cost: Couldnt find any online but even if they cost $1,000 that is probably the cost of 2 average handgun, and if your really worried about is you and your families lives NOT worth it. Cost 2: Free! Just steal the stickers for the doors and windows from your friends houses! (This was joke incase your a bit slow) Re-cap: Get a good home-alarm, can a projectile non-lethal defense weapon. From this point on I am tired of doing research for lazy people who try to use the self-defense point for guns, if you do it, im going to consider you a lazy moron and point it out. _______________ Silent Bob (Kevin Smith): You know, there's a million fine looking women in the world, dude. But they don't all bring you lasagna at work. Most of 'em just cheat on you. -Steve (Obi) |
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Halendor - Ex-Student
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Quote: Now only the criminals have the guns with no fear of the public shooting back. Which is exactly why I think you can't ban guns in a country where they were allowed. I think we need to find a solution to lower the death toll though. |
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Dicemaster - Student 
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Quote: I want a gun. lol at xan _______________ Dicemaster |
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Xanatos - Student 
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I want a gun. _______________ |
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Shang Chi - Student
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Another article of interest This is what has happened since England has banned guns from the public. Now only the criminals have the guns with no fear of the public shooting back. Guns and drugs fuel sudden rise in London's murder rate By David Bamber and Mark Foxwell (Filed: 21/03/2004) The murder rate in London has doubled in 12 months to reach one of its highest levels ever, according to the most recent Home Office statistics, which have been leaked to the Telegraph. A suspect is led away after a poice raid targetting firearms users In the final three months of last year there were 61 murders in the capital, compared with just 31 in the same quarter, the previous year. The figure is the highest total for the last three months of any year, according to the Metropolitan Police's published figures. In the final three months of 2000, for example, there were only 40 murders, while in the same period of 2001 and 2002 there were 43 and 31 respectively. A year-on-year comparison between the murder rate in 2003 and that in 2002 is not available because the Metropolitan Police is currently "revising" its figures for the first four months of last year. The total, however, is expected to be significantly up on 2002. Senior officers fear that a dramatic increase in the use of guns, particularly in battles between gangs competing over the trade in drugs, is the prime cause of the sharp rise in the number of deaths. Other explanations include an increase in drive-by shootings and of murders committed for no other reason than that the killer perceives that personal or family "honour" has in some way been impugned by the victim. The increased use of guns by criminals has caused concern at the Home Office, which fears that the rise in the murder rate could overshadow a general decrease in overall crime figures that are due to be announced next month. Norman Brennan, a Metropolitan Police constable who chairs the Victims of Crime Trust pressure group, said that renewed efforts to halt the increase in murders were essential. "We need urgent action to stem this tide. Behind each murder there is a tragic story of a family left behind, children left fatherless and wives who are now widows," he said. "Gun crime and murder are two of the crimes that make people most scared to leave their homes. The fact that the rate has doubled will cause alarm and anxiety." Clive Elliott, the operations director of Protect the Protector, an organisation that campaigns on behalf of police officers, said: "We have been anticipating this for some time. London is becoming out of control. When you consider that the average sentence for murder is only 12 years and nine months, you can see why people think they can get away with it." One serving officer said: "We have seen a rise in drive-by shootings and in 'honour killings'. Some 'honour killings' can be as simple as a road-rage incident that gets out of hand or a gangster taking revenge against someone because he thinks his sister has been snubbed. "The crimes are getting more brutal and the trend in recent months is highly worrying." The latest figures show that the worst areas for murders are the north London boroughs of Hackney and Haringey and the southern boroughs of Lewisham and Croydon. The death of Anthony Robinson, 28, in Crystal Palace, south London, last October exemplifies the type of killing with which the police are routinely having to deal. Mr Robinson left his mother's house at 9pm on October 22 and drove his Fiat Punto towards a road junction. He was forced to stop by an oncoming dark-coloured saloon car and, when he got out of his car, was shot in the chest by the other driver at close range. Mr Robinson was taken to King's College Hospital, where he was pronounced dead. Rebecca May, a spokesman for the Metropolitan Police, said: "We cannot say why these statistics have gone up." 5 March 2004: Crack cocaine cases, firearms and robbery ( just another day at the Youth Court ) 27 December 2003: Gun crime: a problem ready to _______________ Thirty spokes converge on a single hub, but it is in the space where there is nothing that the usefulness of the cart lies. Clay is molded to make a pot, but it is the space where there is nothing that the usefulness of the clay pot lies. Cut out doors and windows to make a room, but it is in the spaces where there is nothing that the usefulness of the room lies. Therefore, Benefit may be derived from something, but it is in nothing that we find usefulness. This comment was edited by Shang Chi on Mar 23 2004 12:44am. |
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Quote: did i no say england was? i feel sure i did. saying "england was greta when guns were legal. it isnt now. ergo guns mad eit great" is the equivalent of saying "america is bigger than the UK. America is bigger than Germany. ergo UK is germany" ...WHAT? i don't get it _______________ Dicemaster |
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Zing98 - Student 
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did i no say england was? i feel sure i did. saying "england was greta when guns were legal. it isnt now. ergo guns mad eit great" is the equivalent of saying "america is bigger than the UK. America is bigger than Germany. ergo UK is germany" _______________ "Stop acting like little girls and learn to suck up to the mods like normal people" Remind me to kill my parents for loss of JA for so long. |
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Duoi - Student 
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acctualy yes they are look at englands government when guns were legal. not think how they are now and then you have the affect of guns. _______________ ask JP. I was the one that owned him. (Warlocks all the way) |
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Zing98 - Student
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Quote: You know... In a country with no guns you don't have worry about getting shot.  thats a new one on me i have to say.... oh and lots othe gun crime in London is by ppl who are at least secodn generation Quote: Those countries who outlaw guns are worse off then what we are. . actually, a lot aren't. England is, but the vast majority aren't worse off _______________ "Stop acting like little girls and learn to suck up to the mods like normal people" Remind me to kill my parents for loss of JA for so long. This comment was edited by Zing98 on Mar 18 2004 08:26pm. |
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Duoi - Student
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this society has been paved with blood, sweet, pain, and ammunition shells. Those countries who outlaw guns are worse off then what we are. the line wshould be drawn at military weapons, the leaking of these weapons fuelled the maffia and caused the tremindous loss of life. _______________ ask JP. I was the one that owned him. (Warlocks all the way) |
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(Jedi)Obi-JK - Student
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I am curious all the of the "pro-gun" people. What are your thoughts on gun control 1.) What should be legal for citizens, rifles, shotguns, pistols, automatic weapons, grenades, tear-gas, nuclear wars heads, etc. Where do YOU draw the line? 2.) What types of these weapons should have "cool-down" periods? 3.) How should we lower the fatality rate, concerning firearms? _______________ Silent Bob (Kevin Smith): You know, there's a million fine looking women in the world, dude. But they don't all bring you lasagna at work. Most of 'em just cheat on you. -Steve (Obi) |
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Buzz - Student 
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Quote: You know... In a country with no guns you don't have worry about getting shot. Yeah but there is a big difference between a country with no guns and a country where having guns are illegal. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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Steinin - Student 
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You know... In a country with no guns you don't have worry about getting shot. _______________ 362 Ohi on! |
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Monteeeeeee - Nugget 
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Yea but no one in London is English so i blame the people from Elsewhere  _______________ If you add me to MSN, tell me who you are
Best Movie Character EVER!! This comment was edited by Monteeeeeee on Mar 17 2004 08:29pm. |
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Zing98 - Student
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there are lies, damn lies and examples. for the example with the single mum who says he doesnt sneak u on her and put a knife to her throat. i mean why wouldn't he? unfortunatly, in some cases, as dice just explained, banning guns would not only be ineffective, but also damaing to the community. one of the main arguments i see against guns is that criminals can't get them. this is wrong, and london is a good example than that. it has a higher gun crime rate than new york. _______________ "Stop acting like little girls and learn to suck up to the mods like normal people" Remind me to kill my parents for loss of JA for so long. |
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Dicemaster - Student
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you can't be anti-gun...i mean seriously, in our state, without guns we would have no tourism, our state would die, except for the farmers, who would eventually have to move because they make half there yearly profit off of leading hunting parties on there land. Guns are critical to our state, and therefor it is very hard for me to think that any anti-gun laws should be passed. I think gun control is a good, needed thing, but gun banning is bad another intesting thing i heard the other day is that coming soon the ban on auto-matic weapons ends (it was a set date when the law was passed) the next few months could be interesting -Dice _______________ Dicemaster |
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Buzz - Student 
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you're right there obi about what is the best arguments if you're pro gun. But I don't think its possible to not discuss guns as protection in a home. For no other reason than those that are anti-gun bring up things like criminals having guns. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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and thats the view i take, i don't use htem for protection, i use them for hunting and marksmenship -Dice _______________ Dicemaster |
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(Jedi)Obi-JK - Student
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Lets just ask this outright, someone breaks into your house, WHY THE HELL DO YOU WANT A LETHAL WEAPON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! People they make fucking tasers, stun guns, mace, rubber bullets, etc, all of these things are gonna put someone down and fast, just as fast as a gun. he rubber bullets are know as "less" lethal weapons, they do have a chance of killing people and have, but if you are put in that situation, at least you are giving yourself a better chance of putting someone down without murdering them. If you are pro-gun, your best arguements for them are, sports. Hunting, markmanship. _______________ Silent Bob (Kevin Smith): You know, there's a million fine looking women in the world, dude. But they don't all bring you lasagna at work. Most of 'em just cheat on you. -Steve (Obi) |
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