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Dicemaster - Student  |
So I went out in my backyard and did some trap shooting yesterday with my mossberg 12Gauge shotgun, (i'm 17 and it is registered to my name) and i decieded it would be interesting to see what the ppl here think.. I own my own gun, how many other ppl own there own guns, and how many ppl would get freaked out if i brought that fact up in normal conversation -Dice _______________ Dicemaster |
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Does it bother you that i'm 17 years old and I own my own gun, and could walk into a store and buy one and be out of the store with the gun in under 10 minutes (in certain parts of the United States, completely legal. Also its a shotgun, a pistol has a 10 day waiting period like anywhere else)
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aph3x - Retired 
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I dont have any guns. I think the world would be a better place without them, but I dont have a problem with ppl owning them. I might get one if I ever like...buy a house or something. |
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Halendor - Ex-Student 
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Could someone please explain this concealed-carry law? Is it a law that permits or prevents you from walking around with a gun under your coat? It's kindof hard to read the article below without knowing what concealed-carry exactly means  |
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Ulic |retired| - Student 
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The last part is very familiar. About the obsession with the right to defend themselves with firearms. That is the task of the police, people who use guns professionally. I do agree that accidentrates will fall when every gunowner behaves properly. Unfortunately, this is not the case. I also agree that it is the person that fires a gun who is responsible, not the gun. But it will be very hard to fire a gun without having a gun. And that's the point. _______________ Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam This comment was edited by Ulic |retired| on Mar 05 2004 03:47pm. |
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Shang Chi - Student 
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I would like to say that I support personal gun ownership. I am a NRA memmber and have a permit to carry a firearm concealed. I am in a profession where you can be a target for crime on a daily basis. I believe that firearms are used to prevent more crime than to cause it. I was taught how to use a gun at a young age. I believe that personal gun use that prevents a crime is underreported by the media because most of the media wants to ban firearms. Below is an article I found for those who would like to read someone else's opinion. Posted on Thu, Mar. 04, 2004 Point of View by DR. RONALD BRACE Statistics don't support scary stories about concealed-carry The Feb. 13 Point of View column by Dr. Greg Bachhuber -- "Concealed-carry laws place guns into hands of unskilled people" -- (and your newspaper's editorial as well) contains all the misinformation and mistrust that every opponent of concealed-carry believe. The problem is it just isn't true. The fact that concealed-carry laws have a 10-plus-year record that is open and available to the public in most states refutes the worries he expressed. The consensus is that at worst there is no harm done by these laws, and at best crime decreases, up to 8 percent in a few studies. Let's review Bachhuber's. Anyone can get a concealed-carry permit with minimal training. This is true as long as you can legally purchase a handgun, take the course and pay the fees (about $200). The vast majority of individuals getting their concealed-carry permit have years of experience with firearms. The point is that they are taking responsibility for their own self-defense, and with it comes a tremendous responsibility to know how to handle the firearm correctly as well as when it is wise to use it. I know of two people who had no firearm experience who have gotten their permits to carry. They did this as a political act to show how easy it is to get a permit. They do not carry. Should they frighten me? No. I do not believe the fact that they have a permit will suddenly give them visions of being in the Wild West and shooting up the streets. And if they do carry, the chance of them having to use a gun in self-defense in a public place is quite low. Yet should we as a society decide that they should be disarmed and risk not being able to defend themselves? To attempt to compare the training police get in the use of deadly force and that of a civilian is like comparing apples and oranges. The police have a duty to carry their firearms and protect the public (and, incidentally, such protection does not extend to any individual but to the community as a whole, as has been upheld several times by the U.S. Supreme Court). Police should be held to a much higher standard concerning defensive shootings, yet routinely are not. Police are given three days of administrative leave before being interviewed about the events. I can promise that if a civilian is involved in a defensive shooting, they will not get three days to settle their nerves and collect their thoughts. They will be grilled for hours and will most likely end up behind bars for at least a short time. And if Bachhuber wishes to talk about suicides with guns (truly a tragic number, yet firearms bear no relationship to suicides in most studies on the subject except in the elderly population), how many concealed-carry permit holders in the United States committed suicide while carrying legally in the past five years? How about the past year? Any that you've heard of in the past two weeks? None have been reported in any of these time frames. Yet at least two police officers have committed suicide with a firearm in the past two weeks, and one of them killed his wife first with his service gun. Statistics like these could be used to say that the police shouldn't be allowed guns -- ridiculous. The studies that Bachhuber claims show how dangerous guns in the home are have been proven false several times. The same study showing a certain increase in household members being shot if they have guns in their home can also show that in homes without firearms, there is a 300 percent higher likelihood of being killed at home compared to homes with firearms. Studies like these take into consideration robberies and drug shootings involving even the most casual acquaintances, and people who brought the gun used to shoot someone into the home as "having a gun in the home." If you invite a friend over for a game, and he brings someone you barely know who has a gun on him, and that person shoots you, you are listed as having a gun in the home. It is often easy to find the numbers you want when a study is selective in its subject group. Firearm injuries and deaths are a tragedy. As an emergency physician myself, both Bachhuber and I have seen our share of gun tragedies. Our difference is that Bachhuber blames the gun. I blame the shooter (or their parents in the case of childhood accidents and shootings). He believes that removing guns from society would reduce gun injuries and crime. I know this is not the case. Firearm ownership is part of the fundamental right of self-defense, not a privilege granted by the government. It is up to us as individuals to exercise that right in an honorable fashion. If every gun owner did this, then the incidents of accidental shootings and suicides, and perhaps even violent crime, will fall. RONALD BRACE, M.D., of Elk River, Minn., is a board-certified emergency physician practicing at the Cambridge Medical Center in Cambridge, Minn. He has worked at emergency departments in the Twin Cities, Colorado, North Carolina and Texas and was part of the support forces in Bosnia in 1997-98. _______________ Thirty spokes converge on a single hub, but it is in the space where there is nothing that the usefulness of the cart lies. Clay is molded to make a pot, but it is the space where there is nothing that the usefulness of the clay pot lies. Cut out doors and windows to make a room, but it is in the spaces where there is nothing that the usefulness of the room lies. Therefore, Benefit may be derived from something, but it is in nothing that we find usefulness. This comment was edited by Shang Chi on Mar 05 2004 07:24pm. |
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Ulic |retired| - Student
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Personally, with all due respect, I think the lives of people who were killed in eg. the Washington sniper attacks or the attacks at schools are worth infinitely more than the right to hunt animals. Yes, I'm against hunting as well _______________ Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam |
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SedNox - Student 
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\|/ if that is so, then your all SICK!!!  _______________ -Evil Clown- "We interrupt this program to increase dramatic tension." Echuu's 1200th comment, D@RtH N00B's 10850th comment, Redeye's 100th and 150th comment. |
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Halendor - Ex-Student 
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Does everyone here who says 'I just use it for hunting' mean they use their gun to go out and kill animals? |
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SedNox - Student
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we have a 200\300 year old gun...does that count to?  _______________ -Evil Clown- "We interrupt this program to increase dramatic tension." Echuu's 1200th comment, D@RtH N00B's 10850th comment, Redeye's 100th and 150th comment. |
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Dicemaster - Student 
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Quote: Can someone show me why the possible positive things about owning a gun would prevail over the terrible negative consequences? In my state, South Dakota, our state tourism would basically die without the right to bare arms. There is a very good reason to own a shotgun, its called Pheasant hunting. You've got to realize that I don't know a person who wasn't raised in someway around a shotgun or two. Meaning we all have extreme safty measures. Theres maybe 1 or 2 hunting accidents per year, but compared to all the possible times if we weren't traind so safely i'd say thats not to bad. Also, shotguns are very shortrange, you can't shoot very far with them and if the shot gets very far away they aren't very dangerous (a shotgun pellate from over a half a mile away would feel like getting flicked by someones finger). So there is a use for Shotguns, and also most high powered rifles (deer hunting, elk hunting, other animal hunting) Our state would basically die off during the winter without guns, because the beginning of winter(end of tourism season) is when pheasant hunting begins, and my towns population doubles the opening weekend of pheasant season. -Dice _______________ Dicemaster This comment was edited by Dicemaster on Mar 05 2004 01:25pm. |
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Ulic |retired| - Student 
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Can someone show me why the possible positive things about owning a gun would prevail over the terrible negative consequences? _______________ Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam |
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(Jedi)Obi-JK - Student 
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Sup, OK a few things on this thread bother me. 1.) A gun is like a hammer, - Ok, but I would be a hell of a lot more likely to be wandering around Downtown Detroit at any hour, if I knew the worst thing would be some dude trying to mug me with a hammer. Also by the rational "a gun is like a hammer" then "a nuclear missle is like a hammer also" 2.) So, just like a light sabre, just showing that you have one can help avoid trouble. - First of all, showing you have a gun, would be branshing a weapon and is illegal. Second, heven forbid that backfires, you branish your weapon and it escalates the situation. 3.) No wait for a shotgun, yet a 10 date waiting period for gun. - This is just dumb, ALL guns should have a waiting period. No one should be able to "impulse buy a gun" Its pretty obvious guns can be dangerous, and with the murder rates in the Unites States, I think it is also obvious that there are a lot people who are not mature enough to be dealing with guns. I truely beleive America needs stricter laws on all guns. CHILL before you think I want to outlaw guns, my roomate last year had one, we went to the range a lot, it is fun. We also never had any ammo in the house, if we wanted to go to range we would stop and get some on the way. _______________ Silent Bob (Kevin Smith): You know, there's a million fine looking women in the world, dude. But they don't all bring you lasagna at work. Most of 'em just cheat on you. -Steve (Obi) |
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Odan-Wei Belouve - Student 
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I really don't see the point of having a shotgun at home. Actually I don't see the point of owning a firearm for any other purposes than hunting and sport. A shotgun is not really suited for any of those activities so I just wonder what you do with it. I'm also pretty uneasy with firearms because it takes a ridiculous amount of time to hurt or kill someone with them. Or yourself. I don't see the point of owning one even if it's legal, even if your neighborhood is somewhat dangerous. Having a gun is like yelling around "I'm ready to be shot!!! And also ready to shoot in return!!!" Erm, well, it's not a toy Dice, it's a weapon. Which means it's designed to kill/hurt people. I just hope you'll always be able to see the difference.  Odan-Wei _______________ Padawan and brother to SmilyKrazy  - Adopted in the Belouve Family by Fizz and Bubu, BELOUVE ON! - Vladarion, you'll always be in my heart and memories - Spam-Padawan of Jacen Aratan  - [DJ is my beloved wife! - JA Family: Brothers:
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Dr_Nick - Ex-Student 
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Im English so the thought of owning a gun is very foreign to me, least to say scary, remeber its not the gun that kills, its the mentality behind that does _______________ Hi Everybody! |
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Ulic |retired| - Student
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I think it's dangerous and ridiculous for a state to allow citizens to own firearms. Although weapon manufacturers thrive on such policies thousands of people are being killed, and not only in accidents. 'But you can kill someone with a kitchenknife as well'. True, you can kill someone with a kitchenknife, and a toothpick and a shoe but these items have other uses than killing, like keeping your teeth fresh and clean, whereas a gun has no other use than hurting something or someone. _______________ Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam |
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Ash - Eats Babies 
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Quote: And if some kid was playing with one I would have at least known how to empty the clip for him first dont forget to empty the chamber too _______________ "We keep odd hours...." ----------------------- They Live, We Sleep |
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_cmad_ - Ex-Student 
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well there ARE 3 shotguns in my house; not registered to me but I can grab'em secretly whenever I want... But no special reason to do so... yet _______________ Your friends of today, are your enemies of tomorrow. |
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I own a Mauser-Waffen m06 rifle. Basically it's for gamekeeping, but the real reason I have it is for display. I don't have a problem with someone owning a gun, so long as they have a good reason to have it. |
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Battlin' Billy - Student 
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I live in NY, very near NYC. I'm fine with guns as long as a loaded one isn't pointed at me. I own a high-powered pellet rifle that looks and feels quite authentic, at least from a distance. It's already saved my car from getting broken into. One summer night, I heard some noise outside my house. I grabbed my rifle and walked to the fence and just cocked my rifle. As soon as I did that, whomever was trying to break in to my car heard this, looked in my direction, saw me holding the rifle and took off. So, just like a light sabre, just showing that you have one can help avoid trouble! _______________ Midbie Council Member #2 - Profile ID 2073 | Member of B@rtM@ulS@ar | Owner of Monty's 2000th comment & D@RtHM@UL's 8100th comment | Former Padawan of SilkMonkey & Arcuss JA Goaltender & NHL Fan | Fellow Rush fan to Axion|Plo Koon is my oldest JA friend Post your RL pics HERE! | Post you JK2/JK3 screenies HERE! |
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Stimpski - Student 
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Personally, I could see people owning guns to fire on the range, or to collect. But to own them to damage property, or lives, would be the most horriffic, and wrong, way of using the guns, even if all of the safety precautions are taken by the gunholder. _______________ Stimpski (formerly known as DeathScythe many, many moons ago.) JA Forum ID - 3988 <insert generic &/OR witty tagline here> |
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ioshee - Student 
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I own a handgun. 9mm I don't use it for self-defense, just for shooting at the range. It's a lot of fun. I saw this very skewed news feature about kids and guns where they hid a real gun (disabled of course) in a toy box then let two kids at a time play in the room. All the kids were given a brief talking to before about why they shouldn't play with guns, but all the kids played with it. One kid had been drilled by his mother to fear guns before he was ever involved in the experiment and to his mother's dismay he still played with it. The stupid thing was that they didn't show any kids that had been raised around guns and seen adults fire them. I was taught about guns when I was very young which gave me a healthy respect and fear of them. I would never have played with one if I found it. And if some kid was playing with one I would have at least known how to empty the clip for him first _______________ One of the Belouve boys |
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Buzz - Student 
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No problems with guns from me. Several of my uncles are proud members of the NRA and I know many others that hunt. I also would like to see the concealed weapons law passed here in Ohio. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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Sared - Retired 
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I live in texas, where the drinking age is 12. (You still have to be 21 to BUY it though. ) I am fairly comfortable around guns and people who know how to handle guns properly. Otherwise, if someone was being the least bit irresposible with a firearm, I would definatley be freaked out about it. _______________ I'm crazy, not stupid. |
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Command13(JAS) - Ex-Student 
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well i do have guns but i dont actually own them cause im 16 and it cant have them in my name here but they are in a safe in my room theres nothing wrong with having them i dont think cause accdents with kids dont happen if people would teach there kids about guns at a young age so wouldent be so damn curious thats what my dad did and i never touched his guns without permission plus they were of course locked up except the defense gun which should only be used if the robber threatens to kill you bye the way or if they seem like a threat otherwise hide it under your shirt or pants or something and yea just knock them out if possible but thats even more dangerous swords are nice too i got a few in my room they could work too i guess  well i rambeled on to long i guess thats it _______________ Do not show fear for if you do you cannot claim Victory |
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Dicemaster - Student 
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Once again...i don't use these guns for self defense. The guns are all in a safe, and the ammo is stored at a totally different area, the most we could do is beat the attacker over the head with them. I use these guns strictly for hunting _______________ Dicemaster |
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Jacen Aratan - Student |
Too bad Japan's sworn to never go in war again(except for peace keeping missions for the UN), Monthy. Now that I think about it, I shot in a club (no, I didn't go beserk with a rifle and shoot random people in a club, I mean an actual shooting organization ) when I was younger, like 10-11. |
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