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Mar 01 2004 12:11am

Dicemaster
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Dicemaster
So I went out in my backyard and did some trap shooting yesterday with my mossberg 12Gauge shotgun, (i'm 17 and it is registered to my name) and i decieded it would be interesting to see what the ppl here think.. I own my own gun, how many other ppl own there own guns, and how many ppl would get freaked out if i brought that fact up in normal conversation
-Dice
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Does it bother you that i'm 17 years old and I own my own gun, and could walk into a store and buy one and be out of the store with the gun in under 10 minutes (in certain parts of the United States, completely legal. Also its a shotgun, a pistol has a 10 day waiting period like anywhere else)

vote results
Yes Yes [35 votes] [53%]
No No [31 votes] [47%]

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Mar 11 2004 05:10pm

Kueller
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 Kueller

In situations like that most ppl can't shoot clearly, plus that it's dark most of the time burglaries take place :P
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Mar 11 2004 05:05pm

Kyp Nadon
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 Kyp Nadon

yeah that is right but the first thing you do is NOT thinking so you will shoot him anywhere and then you can kill him...
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Mar 11 2004 02:44pm

Halendor
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[..] if a burglar with a club comes in and ppl shoot him, that's not even-sided defence, that's murder.


There is a difference in shooting someone and actually killing someone. You don't have to shoot to kill, you can shoot in someone's knee or foot to prevent him from fleeing, while you call the police :)

Mar 11 2004 01:31pm

Monteeeeeee
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 Monteeeeeee

if someone comes in to my house with weapons i will use whatever force. they have no right to be there. rules are exempt in situations such as those imo
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Mar 11 2004 09:32am

Kueller
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 Kueller

Yes, You are right Kyp. If ppl use a gun on someone, pplu are playing JUDGE over the life of someone else. Ppl got no right for that, if someone is using the same amount of violence, I think it's ok to use the same amount. But if a burglar with a club comes in and ppl shoot him, that's not even-sided defence, that's murder. And don't start at the crap about that ppl can decide his punishment, because there are laws for it and that is decided by schooled judges. Defence is allowed, that is true, but only if the defence is equal to the offense.
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Mar 11 2004 06:40am

Kyp Nadon
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 Kyp Nadon

okies i c

so everyone can have a gun when he/she is on age
and that means everyone can shoot someone, aint that wrong cause here the NL weve got the police to protect ya (not that they are doing it but ya got the idea :P), adn you can protect yourself on many other ways like a figting sport.


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This comment was edited by Kyp Nadon on Mar 11 2004 06:43am.

Mar 11 2004 12:20am

tarpman
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pretty even division on the vote here...

I agree with Obi-JK on the "gradual adulthood" thing. 16 is when puberty is pretty much over (for most ppl :D) but it's a while after that before your mind is completely mature (at least 50 years :P). Things like consenting sex and driving under a learner's license (word order purposefully chosen :D) are a somewhat simple (albeit somewhat politically incorrect) way of easing you into adulthood.

Although up here adulthood, defined as being allowed to drink (without the police confiscating it :D) and vote, is at age 19 and when learning to drive we have to drive with an adult supervisor for 6 months and then with only one passenger for 18 months... :(

And back on topic, on hearing that you owned your own gun:
- I would be slightly startled, and probably move to the other side of the ocean, if I didn't know you.
- I would apply for the astronaut program if I knew you to have a maturity level less than that of the average high school principal.
- I would just say "cool" and change the subject if I knew you to be a mature, common sense-driven human being who just happened to own a weapon of mass destruction.

Yes, I'm paranoid. Deal with it. :D

EDIT: And yes, I'm entering rehab for overuse of smileys. :D:P:);):cool::eek::o
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This comment was edited by tarpman on Mar 11 2004 12:23am.

Mar 10 2004 11:28pm

Ash
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i think kyp is reffering to the DC sniper shootings. the gun used in the shootings was an illegal automatic rifle.
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Mar 10 2004 11:09pm

Shang Chi
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 Shang Chi

I just wanted to say that I have guns for more than just protection. I really enjoy target shooting. I am not a hunter but I respect the people who consider it a great sport. I plan someday to compete at target shooting competitions
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Mar 10 2004 03:45pm

Halendor
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 Halendor

Kyp, that isn't terrorism. That is just sick :)

According to Dictionary.com, terrorism is:

The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.

Mar 10 2004 12:57pm

Kyp Nadon
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 Kyp Nadon

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lol in the US they are against terrorisme then why do they sell guns ?



I didn't see guns blowing up the federal building in Oklahoma City or the WTC now did you? Guns aren't a cause of terrorism, and you don't see people in america celebrating by shooting automatic weapons into the air either.


But there was a time when 2 man were camping

and that wasn't that long ago (it was in washington)
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Mar 10 2004 12:28pm

Monteeeeeee
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U CAN STAB SOMEONE WITH A CARROT, SO ITS ALL ABOUT HOW U USE SOMETHING :)
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This comment was edited by Monteeeeeee on Mar 10 2004 12:31pm.

Mar 10 2004 11:54am

Halendor
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 Halendor

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Guns dont shoot themselfs......... stupid people with guns are the danger........ the world has too many stupid people.......


But guns give stupid people a way to show their stupidity.

Mar 10 2004 06:25am

(Jedi)Obi-JK
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2nd Amendment, right to bear arms


1.) WTF does "arms" mean, left and right arm, pistol, a nuclear explosive for every man woman and child, well child at the age of 17 in some states

2.) Or realize that when this amendment was passed there probably 3 guns most people could even, get all were probably "single-shot" then a nice :30 second reload time.

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the age deal

Also, about the age deal, instead of saying something that seems kinda silly to me, "you can go die for your country but you can't drink" Why not try this, at 18 your an ADULT you should get ALL the privledges of and adult, not just some.

An opposing thought is, at 16 you can drive, at 17 you can buy a gun, and 18 you can smoke, vote, be indepentant. From 16 to 18 your getting the chance for a hell of alot more responsibility than you have know. To mix drinking with all that may seem like to much, and in fact was. There is a good chance that if the drinking age had always been 18 it wouldnt be an issue, but most of you can probably ask your parents about when the drinking age was lowered to 18, the amount of alcohol related car accidents/deaths/injuries sky rocketed, and the issue was bad enough that the age was returned to 21.
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Mar 10 2004 01:01am

DarkSider
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 DarkSider

I just think, that if all the money that is spent on guns or security, would be invested in a decent health care and social system, there would be way less needs to buy a gun for security reasons.
Why do people rob other people, because they are poor...
Why do people who are outcasts in a society turn to violence, because they have no other perspective....
You can continue this list on and on....
Fight the problem at its root and not at the top of it.....
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This comment was edited by DarkSider on Mar 10 2004 01:02am.

Mar 09 2004 11:15pm

Monteeeeeee
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 Monteeeeeee

but then we would be stupid wouldnt we :confused: the whole world is a crazy place, it just wouldnt seem so real if it wasnt
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Mar 09 2004 11:03pm

Buzz
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 Buzz

Very true Monty. I know let's go shoot the stupid people!
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Mar 09 2004 10:57pm

Monteeeeeee
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 Monteeeeeee

Guns dont shoot themselfs......... stupid people with guns are the danger........ the world has too many stupid people.......
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Mar 09 2004 10:52pm

Buzz
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 Buzz

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lol in the US they are against terrorisme then why do they sell guns ?



I didn't see guns blowing up the federal building in Oklahoma City or the WTC now did you? Guns aren't a cause of terrorism, and you don't see people in america celebrating by shooting automatic weapons into the air either.
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Mar 09 2004 10:50pm

Dicemaster
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 Dicemaster

...wait there is an age-limit on when you can legally have sex?
in the US? if i'm 13 its illegal for me to have sex with another 13 year old? for example...i'm 17 but ya know just as an example?
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Mar 09 2004 10:01pm

JavaGuy
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 JavaGuy

Before there was competition amongst local phone services, it took aproximately thirty times longer to get a phone than to buy a gun.

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Mar 09 2004 08:38pm

Kyp Nadon
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 Kyp Nadon

lol in the US they are against terrorisme then why do they sell guns ?
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Mar 09 2004 07:08pm

Halendor
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 Halendor

Well in the end, I think I'd have to agree that you can't ban guns in the United States, and things like the concealed-carry law are good stuff if they make the crimerate drop. The mentality in the United States should be like 'OK, we have guns, but how do we create a safer society with them'.

Keep the guns away from Europe though :P

Mar 09 2004 06:58pm

DarkSider
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 DarkSider

Would you please stick on the topic again.....
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Mar 09 2004 04:06pm

Bail Hope of Belouve
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 Bail Hope of Belouve

well, sex is 16 here too, and smoking is 16 AND drinking is 16 too...

I'm 16 :P
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