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Dicemaster - Student  |
So I went out in my backyard and did some trap shooting yesterday with my mossberg 12Gauge shotgun, (i'm 17 and it is registered to my name) and i decieded it would be interesting to see what the ppl here think.. I own my own gun, how many other ppl own there own guns, and how many ppl would get freaked out if i brought that fact up in normal conversation -Dice _______________ Dicemaster |
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Does it bother you that i'm 17 years old and I own my own gun, and could walk into a store and buy one and be out of the store with the gun in under 10 minutes (in certain parts of the United States, completely legal. Also its a shotgun, a pistol has a 10 day waiting period like anywhere else)
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Lord Exar Kun - Student 
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at my age I'm allowed to have sex while drinking and smoke afterwards  _______________ -Retired april the 19th 2004 |
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Monteeeeeee - Nugget 
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hehehehe _______________ If you add me to MSN, tell me who you are 
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Ashyr - Student 
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Well, according to the second ammendment, we have the right to bear arms. I have no problem in someone owning a gun, because sometime in your life you might need to use it. I don't think they should take guns away, because making new laws doesn't stop criminals. They need to instead increase the punishment for the current laws. This may be off the subject, but I belive in the 'eye for an eye' theory. If you intentionally murder someone, I think you deserve the death scentence. If you are guilty of a rape, I think they should cut 'you-know-what' off. Being soft on a punishment, isn't going to prevent it from happening in the future. My 2 cents. _______________ Top ten reasons to get a better computer...|My fan |
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Buzz - Student 
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It varies here from state to state monty. But the age to smoke is 18 so you can have sex but you can't smoke afterwards. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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Monteeeeeee - Nugget 
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sex over here is 16 and everything else is 18 _______________ If you add me to MSN, tell me who you are
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Buzz - Student
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You can get married in many states at age 17 but you can't drink at your wedding. You can have sex but you can't smoke a cigarrette afterwards. And consider this also. Its not as easy to hide a shotgun as well as it is a pistol. you walk in and buy a shotgun everyone will probably see you walking around with it. You walk in and get a pistol without a 5 day waiting period and someone with malicious intent could be hiding a gun out to kill someone. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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crazy_hacker - Ex-Student 
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Yeah my teacher brought up a good point about the drinking age thing... She says that if you can defend your country at 18, you should be able to have a drink too  _______________ if at first you dont succeed, try and try again. if you still dont succeed, youve just wasted a whole lot of time trying something you just cant do 
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Lord Exar Kun - Student 
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right. well imo there's something seriously wrong if you can get a shotgun when you're only 17 years old. in fact, there's something seriously wrong if you can buy a gun that easy. _______________ -Retired april the 19th 2004 |
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Dicemaster - Student 
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yes it is easier to get a shotgun then a pistol. The theory is we are a hunting state, so we can get weapons used for hunting a lot easier then for "target shooting" (pistol's) _______________ Dicemaster |
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Lord Exar Kun - Student
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yeah thats just soooo weird to me too bubu. but on the other hand, they cant get drunk while using their guns or driving their cars before the age of 21, so there some logic in there _______________ -Retired april the 19th 2004 |
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Bubu - Hubbub 
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You can drive at 16, buy a gun at 17 (taken from the poll, might be even sooner), and yet, you can only drink at 21 !! Amazing.  _______________ make install -not war |
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Kueller - Student 
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So you can say the shotgun is more humane _______________ Personal sleepness-nights-supporter of Virtue. Owner of the 1000th comment of Daidalus and 1943th comment of Gradius! Owner of the 300th comment of Carda! -Taught Gradius all his laming skills
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Lord Exar Kun - Student
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but on the other hand you can blow a hole in someone's belly with a shotgun while a normal gun only leaaves a bullet and a lot of pain _______________ -Retired april the 19th 2004 |
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Kueller - Student
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Maybe beacuse a shotgun is mostly used to hunt and not to really made to shoot ppl. _______________ Personal sleepness-nights-supporter of Virtue. Owner of the 1000th comment of Daidalus and 1943th comment of Gradius! Owner of the 300th comment of Carda! -Taught Gradius all his laming skills
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Halendor - Ex-Student 
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Yes, it's easier to get a shotgun than a handgun in some states I believe. I don't get why though |
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Vaughn - Student 
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wait Dice... from the poll, are you saying that its easier to get shotguns than it is to get handguns? _______________ When you become an actor, you become the person, and you dont act anymore. You just are. - Tyler HP, Taught by Mr G Simpson |
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Shang Chi - Student 
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I have to say that right now in the world there is such a surplus of guns that banning them would not stop the criminals from getting them. There will always be a demand for illegical guns just like there will always be a demand for illegical drugs. Banning them from one segment of the population will not stop the ones who are criminals from getting them. You can't put the genie back in the bottle once it is out. Since the knowledge of firearms is available, someone would make them to make lots of money. Also, as far as guns in the home, I have mine locked up in a cabinet expect one which is in reach of my bed but is in a special locked box that requires a combination of finger pressure pushes to open. Your children can't get to it but you can open it in about 30 seconds. When Florida became the first state to allow the concealed carry permit, the media said it would be like the old west in america, people having shoot outs in the streets, but the opposite really occured. Their crime rates went down and have stayed that way ever since. Here is another article to enjoy. Firearm Safety In America 2003 The numbers of privately owned guns, gun owners, and Right-to-Carry states have risen steadily and are now higher than ever. Meanwhile, the nation`s violent crime rate has decreased every year since 1991 and is now at a 25-year low, the annual number of deaths involving firearms has decreased every year since 1993, and firearm accident deaths have decreased almost every year for decades. Statistics from the National Center for Health Statistics, covering annual numbers and rates of death due to accidents and other reasons from 1981 forward, are available at www.nraila.org -- click on "research," then "accident statistics." Or, visit www.cdc.gov/ncipc/wisqars or wonder.cdc.gov. Accidental death statistics from 1903 forward are available from the National Safety Council. Firearm-related deaths have decreased every year since 1993. Overall, they have decreased 49% since 1993. Firearm accident deaths have been decreasing for decades. Since 1930, the annual number of firearm accident deaths has decreased 76%, while the U.S. population has more than doubled and the number of guns has quintupled. Among children, such deaths have decreased 84% since 1975. Firearm accident deaths are at an all-time low, among the entire U.S. population and among children. In 2000, there were 776 firearm accident deaths, including 86 among children. The firearm accident death rate is at an all-time low -- 0.3 per 100,000 population. It has declined 92% since the all-time high in 1904. Firearms are involved in only 1% of all deaths, and in only 1% of deaths among children. Firearms are involved in only 0.8% of accidental deaths. Most accidental deaths involve, or are due to, motor vehicles (43%), falls (13%), poisoning (13%), suffocation (6%), drowning (3%), fires (3%), medical mistakes (3%), and environmental factors (2%). Among children, firearms are involved in only 1.5% of accidental deaths. Most accidental deaths among children involve, or are due to, motor vehicles (45%), drowning (16%), suffocation (14%), fires (10%), poisoning (1.6%), environmental factors (1.4%), falls (1.4%), and medical mistakes (1.2%). Education decreases firearm accidents. Voluntary firearms safety training, not government intrusion, has caused firearms accidents to decline. Nationwide, 57,000 NRA Instructors and Coaches conduct firearm safety and proficiency programs reaching more than 700,000 participants annually. Young Americans benefit from learning firearm safety early on, in NRA programs offered through civic groups such as the Boy Scouts, Jaycees, the American Legion, and schools. (See www.nrahq.org -- click on "Education and Training," or call 703-267-1500.) NRA`s Eddie Eagle® GunSafe Program teaches children pre-K through 6th grade that if they encounter firearms without supervision, they should "STOP! Don`t Touch. Leave The Area. Tell An Adult." Since 1988, Eddie Eagle has been used by more than 20,000 schools, civic groups, and law enforcement agencies to reach 17 million children. (See www.nrahq.org -- click on "Safety Programs," or call 703-267-1573.) Setting the Record Straight on Anti-Gun Myths and Deceptions Cars and Guns: "Gun control" supporters believe that government intrusion, rather than education, is the key to reducing accidents. They erroneously claim that driver licensing and auto registration caused motor vehicle accident deaths to decline between 1968-1991 and theorize that gun registration and gun owner licensing would reduce firearm accident deaths. They rhetorically ask, "We register drivers and license cars, why shouldn`t we require the same for guns and gun owners?" There are several flaws in the anti-gunners` theory. Vehicle registration and driver licensing laws were imposed to generate revenue, not reduce accidents. Nor was safety a side-benefit to the increased regulation. Most vehicle registration and driver licensing laws were imposed between the world wars, but motor vehicle accident deaths increased sharply after 1930 and didn`t begin declining until 1970. And despite more regulation of vehicles and drivers over the years, vehicle accident deaths have increased during the last decade. Point of fact, between 1968-1991, the years cited by the anti-gunners, the motor vehicle accident death rate dropped only 37% with vehicle registration and driver licensing, while the firearm accident death rate dropped 50% without gun registration and gun owner licensing. The truth is, "gun control" supporters want registration and licensing not for safety, but to erect the record-keeping apparatus necessary to make confiscation of privately owned firearms achievable in the future. Handgun Control, Inc`s. first leader defined registration as the second step in a three-step plan to confiscate handguns. (Pete Shields, quoted in The New Yorker, "A Reporter At Large: Handguns," July 26, 1976.) Another fundamental distinction between "cars and guns" is that the purchase and ownership of arms is a right expressly protected by the constitution, whereas operating a vehicle on public roads is a privilege. Note that a license and registration is not required to merely own a vehicle or operate it on private property, only to do so on public roads. Similarly, licenses and permits are not typically required to buy or own a gun, or to keep a gun at home, but are required when using a gun to hunt publicly-owned game or to carry a gun for protection in public places. Firearm accidents among "children": Handgun Control (now Brady Campaign) president, Michael Barnes, and longtime anti-gun senator Ted Kennedy (D-Mass.) have teamed up to allege that 12 children die from gun accidents every day. President Bill Clinton campaigned for so-called "triggerlock" and "smart" gun laws, claiming that 13 children are killed with guns every day. Hillary Clinton said, "Every day in America we lose 13 precious children to gun-related violence." The HELP Network recently put the figure at "an average of 9 children" daily. Other "gun control" advocates have varyingly claimed 5,000 per year, 14 per day, or one every 90 seconds. In fact, on average there are 1.2 such deaths among children per day, including one accidental death every four days. The phony figures are produced by adding the relatively small number of firearm-related deaths among children to the much larger number of deaths among juveniles and young adults under the age of 20, and dishonestly calling the total "children." Sometimes, anti-gunners have counted anyone under the age of 24 as a "child" to get an even higher number. (For details, see www.nraila.org, click "research," "firearm safety," "Not 12 Per Day." The Oct. 1, 1997 Journal of the American Medical Association presented a study which concluded that so-called "Child Access Prevention" (CAP) laws (which make it a crime, under some circumstances, to leave a gun accessible to a child, if a child obtains and misuses the gun) imposed in 12 states between 1989-1993, decreased fatal firearm accidents among children. The article was written by individuals from the Harborview Injury Prevention and Research Center, a group active in the HELP (Handgun Epidemic Lowering Plan) Network, which is dedicated to "changing society`s attitude toward guns so that it becomes socially unacceptable for private citizens to have handguns." The study`s flaws: First, the decline in firearm accident deaths among children began in the mid-1970s, not in 1989, when "CAP" laws started to be imposed. Second, the decrease in fatal firearm accidents among children has been nationwide, not only in the 12 "CAP" states. Third, in 1989, NRA`s Eddie Eagle GunSafe Program&® was introduced nationwide. Posted: 9/8/2003 BB Guns & Gun Control ABCs By James O.E. Norell The Hidden Agenda Behind Gun Storage Laws By David Kopel Not "12 Children Per Day": Handgun Control, Inc. Misled Senate Judiciary Committee Firearm Safety In America 2003 Corzine-Kennedy "Consumer Protection" Bills Poor Smokescreen For Back-Door Gun Prohibition Sen. Boxer Proposes Trigger Lock Mandate Guns vs. Teddy Bears Confusion Skews School Gun Count President John F. Kennedy said: "The protection of our rights can endure no longer than the performance of our responsibilities." (Speech to the 90th annual convocation at Vanderbilt University, May 1... Read More Home | About NRA-ILA | Issues | News | Current Legislation | Search | Site Map | Contact Us | Security & Privacy _______________ Thirty spokes converge on a single hub, but it is in the space where there is nothing that the usefulness of the cart lies. Clay is molded to make a pot, but it is the space where there is nothing that the usefulness of the clay pot lies. Cut out doors and windows to make a room, but it is in the spaces where there is nothing that the usefulness of the room lies. Therefore, Benefit may be derived from something, but it is in nothing that we find usefulness. |
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DarkSider - Student 
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No they won't turn them in.... But how do they get guns from in the first place... In a country where are sold in supermarkets without any sufficient protection or so easily availible, that you can go and buy some cheap rifle and can take it home the same day, its very easy to get a gun, not only for all the worrying blokes who want to protect their families but also for the criminals. If guns are illegal, the criminals will still get guns but the amount of robbers who are armed will sufficiently decrease.... _______________ I know the pieces fit, 'cause i watched them fall away... |
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Buzz - Student 
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riiiight so in the US we go and make guns illegal. Turn in all your guns. Do you think the criminals with guns are going to hand in their guns? _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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Ulic |retired| - Student 
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Yes, but if it's harder to get your hands on a gun, crimerates would drop right? _______________ Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam |
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Buzz - Student
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Jello, the idea is that Crooks are Cowards. They prey on those that they perceive as being weaker than they are. So if they have a gun they think they are really powerful, but they don't want to face someone else with a gun. Now with a concealed carry law the crooks aren't going to know who has a gun and who doesn't. And its not like people walk around with their money in their hands. You're going to have to get it out, so why not pull your gun instead. Now how about a town where guns are illegal. A criminal knows that no one there has a gun, so he's the most powerful and he can prey on whoever he wants because no one should be able to pull a gun on him. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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Jello` - Student 
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In Minnesota here, we just passed a law about 6 months ago, saying you can carry appropriate firearms in desginated areas. My comment: WTF. Its basically what DarkSider said. By the time you pull out your little pistola you wasted a grand amount of money on, your robber (or whoever) has already got his out, and is probably shooting you. Oh, way to defend yourself, you've now got a bullet in you somewhere. Dont get me wrong, I love guns, but theres a time and place for everything. Pistols are only used for killing ("defending" people, thats my opinion, you dont need one everywhere you go either. If I remember right, our law states you can bring them mostly anywhere besides schools, stadiums, malls, and other places with large amounts of people. Which makes me think of another point. If youve got a pistol, you've got to go through training or whatever, you cant just be shooting wildly at whoever your trying to hit, you'll shoot someones eye out Thats about all I have to say. Edit: I realize, if I had a gun I probably would have done some pretty stupid things by now (I've been suicidal a few times), and I'm in a depressed mood now, but I'm glad I dont have the ability to do something stupid to myself. Plus I'm not a wrists kind of guy _______________ Brady Brothers: Orion-Greg, Furi0us-Peter, Me-Bobby. Long lost cousin to Flash. Midbie Council #007. Ex-JAK. This comment was edited by Jello` on Mar 07 2004 01:51pm. |
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DarkSider - Student 
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I second what Java said.. I had some basic economy lectures last semester and we talked some time about this example. All the things people do, is based on incentives. Just like the thing with airbags, when you carry a gun, you are more likely to go through areas with a high crime rate, cause you are "protected" by your gun. If you don't have a gun with you, you won't go to such areas. And even if you live in an area with a crime problem, you are more likley to get shot. If you get robbed and you are armed, what are you going to do. You draw your weapon and try to defend yourself. Until you fumble out your weapon you are shot and robbed. When you are unarmed you will only get robbed and live on, which is the thing I would prefer. And to everyone who says i got to protect my home with my gun: your gun is more likely to hurt you, your partner or children, cause you if you want use the gun in defense you have the gun and the ammo handy. So one afternoon your son decides to impress his friends and gets your gun.... Whoosh your or another child got a bullet in his head.... I could write on and on and on with stuff like this.... So weapons are intended to hurt and kill people and they are far more risky too its owner than they serve him in protection. Edit: Halendor I didn't find a link for it, but try to borrow "Principles of Microeconomics" by Gregory N. Mankiw published at Harcourt College Inc. Somewhere in the first 2 chapters where the basic principles are explained you will find exactly the example with airbags and accidents... _______________ I know the pieces fit, 'cause i watched them fall away... This comment was edited by DarkSider on Mar 07 2004 12:41pm. |
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Halendor - Ex-Student 
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I don't think we can continue this discussion without some solid facts. Does anyone have a link or something?  |
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Ulic |retired| - Student 
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Fascinating theory _______________ Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam |
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