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Halendor - ex-Student  |
I was just wondering, now it's final that Kerry is going to battle Bush in the elections, who would you vote for, and please tell us why. This post was edited by Halendor on Mar 05 2004 04:38pm. |
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Buzz - Student 
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I doubt that he would win. I'd love to vote independent, if I could find someone there who I agreed with. That's definitely not Nader. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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(Jedi)Obi-JK - Student 
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Right and that is one of the problems in this country right? Peoeple think a vote for the independant party really means a throw-away vote. If all the people who watned to vote independant did, Nader probably would win, but I think, it would be about 25% of the America. _______________ Silent Bob (Kevin Smith): You know, there's a million fine looking women in the world, dude. But they don't all bring you lasagna at work. Most of 'em just cheat on you. -Steve (Obi) |
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Ulic Belouve - Student 
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Actually, just a little hint for you Vasper: If you want somebody who isn't Bush to get our guys and gals out of Iraq... It'd be Nader. He'd be the one to just pull them all out, and make it a priority. Kerry would get them out eventually, but probably not do a better job at it than Bush. Bush, however, would pull them out when the job is done. So you have your varying degrees. But if you want them all home ASAP, then that'd be the Nader vote. _______________ Jedi do not fight for peace. That's only a slogan, and is as misleading as slogans always are. Jedi fight for civilization, because only civilization creates peace. |
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Vasper Ba'xian - Student 
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Personally I think the roaming gnome could do a better job than Bush, I'd vote for Kerry Just to get Bush outta office and our boys and gals out of Iraq. _______________ Brother to: Tamal, Kavar, J.D.,Jermia, Devlin, Ulic, Xiabara, Seij,Tarron Mib,>>>ROCK ON  .My Spacescapes art page.My Everything Else art page. MY FAV. Jedi Are: Qui-Gon Jinn, Corran Horn, and Anakin Solo. Unofficial Master to Tamal. and Kavar. Founder of the Wuji Hundun Jian saber style. Proud owner of Tamal's 200th comment!//Proud owner of Refl3x's 300th comment!>>>Proud owner of Tyrant's 800th comment>>>Proud owner of Lucky's 170th comment>>>Proud owner of BDKawika's 444th comment>>>To except Existance is to except Reality.
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Smilykrazy - Retired 
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i hate politics ALOT, but I chose bush because hes more experienced and I dont think hes doing a bad job. I think Kerry is a big mouth and hes too cocky from what ive seen on tv.  _______________ RIP MOM 06/29/58-07/31/08 Married to Koyi Donita 4/30/11 |
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Ulic Belouve - Student 
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You khow, for some odd reason that comment tickled me. It wasn't for or against anyone, really, and well, I don't know why I liked it, but I did. So, yeah. Heh. _______________ Jedi do not fight for peace. That's only a slogan, and is as misleading as slogans always are. Jedi fight for civilization, because only civilization creates peace. |
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(Jedi)Obi-JK - Student 
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Ugh, the closer it gets the election time, the more confusing this all is. Do people really think Bush has done even a decent job? Does anyone think Kerry will do better? This is just turning into the choice of the lesser of the two evils. So Im a serious pacifist, I hate war, and even though we found WMD's we still lots ALOT of lives, so any of you who were for this war: feel free to try and buy these guys a beer: http://www.pigstye.net/iraq/ Kerry, is just a huge putz whose entire campeign is based on "I will do the opposite of Bush!" then he goes on to whine about jobs going over seas! Hey guess what JOBS ARE GOING TO GO OVERSEAS face it, and do something about it. The best about this is its not just the labor jobs going over seas, now we get to watch the white-collar panseys whine about losing thier jobs to offshoring. Now I hope if Kerry does win, he does more to protect the unskilled laborers of the US, as a matter of fact I hope he does ZERO to stop offshoring of any job that requires a B.A/B.S it about time we rid of the lazy ass americans who are hiding abehind thier degrees. _______________ Silent Bob (Kevin Smith): You know, there's a million fine looking women in the world, dude. But they don't all bring you lasagna at work. Most of 'em just cheat on you. -Steve (Obi) |
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Lian Del Rey - Student 
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Meh! _______________ slorp |
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Ulic Belouve - Student
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Mega mega bump. This should be rehatched. And I have my sig attached to it all, take a look, see what you think. _______________ Jedi do not fight for peace. That's only a slogan, and is as misleading as slogans always are. Jedi fight for civilization, because only civilization creates peace. |
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Halendor - Ex-Student 
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Quote: So if Heinz has offices in the US, UK, Canada, and France, then how can Kerry criticize offshoring jobs? Like DJ said, it's good business. I think what Kerry meant that he doesn't like it when American companies 'export' jobs that could have been done by Americans, to other countries. For example constructing a car partially in Canada because production costs are cheaper there. These companies don't need their presence in other countries. Multinationals like Heinz and MacDonalds need their presence in other countries. MacDonalds is easier as an example. McDonalds already has as much restaurants in the US as they think is profitable. They need to have restaurants in other countries too, to sell their products there as well. Those offshore jobs couln't have been done by Americans, so there is no point critizing them. Hope that makes sense  |
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Halendor - Ex-Student 
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I did some research on Heinz. It's not located in Germany. Facts: Founders name is Henry John Heinz[1]. Possible German ancestors, but Henry John is definetly not a german name. H.J. Heinz company established in 1869[1]. Heinz U.S.A. established in 1869, in Pittsburg, Pennsylvania[2]. H.J. Heinz GMBH established in 1970 in Düsseldorf, Germany[3]. So, if you look at the dates, you have to conclude Heinz was first established in the USA and their first German factory 101 years later. [1]: http://www.heinz.com/jsp/corporate.jsp [2]: http://www.heinz.com/jsp/di/corp_pro2003/corpProfile6.jsp [3]: http://www.heinz.com/jsp/di/corp_pro2003/corpProfile7.jsp This comment was edited by Halendor on Apr 09 2004 10:25am. |
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Mitch - Student 
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My source for the "baby killer" comments was the speech he gave the senate armed service comittee, which Ulic just posted an excerpt from. The speech was replayed on Fox News or CSPAN just last week... _______________ Power Preceived, is Power Acheived.' Brother to 3th, Janus, and Vlad. |
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Ulic Belouve - Student
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Here, I'll throw Mitch a bone on the "baby killer" source: On April 22, 1971 (link in PDF), Kerry told a Senate committee that U.S. servicemen "personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned on the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam." He said these were "not isolated incidents but crimes committed on a day-to-day basis with the full awareness of officers at all levels of command." Not really the "baby killer" quote people think of, but it's relevant nonetheless. I'll keep looking for anything "baby-killer" but I think this is the best one is going to get. _______________ Jedi do not fight for peace. That's only a slogan, and is as misleading as slogans always are. Jedi fight for civilization, because only civilization creates peace. This comment was edited by Ulic Belouve on Apr 07 2004 03:18pm. |
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Buzz - Student 
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Mitch you want him to post the link he got his information from but you are the one saying that kerry called our soldiers in Vietnam baby killers, and that Heinz is located in Germany. Practice what you preach man. Give you sources for these things instead of asking others to give theirs. Both the Liberal and Conservative Spectrums of the Media spin information to make them seem right. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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Rahn del Sol - Student 
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I found this one to be interesting. Who pays the taxes? Bruce Bartlett http://www.townhall.com/columnists/brucebartlett/bb20040406.shtml Just in time for tax season, the Congressional Budget Office has released new data on distribution of the tax burden. Contrary to popular belief, they show that taxes on the wealthy have risen over time and that the Bush tax cut in 2001 barely kept it from rising further. A convenient starting point is 1984. The Reagan tax cut was then fully phased in (which reduced the top statutory income tax rate from 70 percent to 50 percent) and the 1983 Social Security tax increase had already taken effect (which raised the OASI tax rate from a combined 9.5 percent to 10.4 percent). In that year, those in the bottom quintile (20 percent of households) paid an average federal tax rate (individual, payroll, corporate and excise) of 10.2 percent. Those in the top quintile paid 24.5 percent, the top 10 percent paid 25.2 percent, the top 5 percent paid 26.1 percent, and the top 1 percent paid 28.2 percent. Thus, those at the top paid about two and a half times more than those at the bottom. Fast forward to 2001 (latest year in the CBO study). The top statutory income tax rate has fallen to 39.1 percent, and the total payroll tax rate has risen from 14 percent to 15.3 percent. If one knew these figures in 1984, almost all economists would have projected a sharp decline in taxes paid by the rich and an increase in those paid by the poor. In fact, the data show that those in the bottom quintile are only paying about half what they did 20 years ago: 5.4 percent. This is down from 6.4 percent just the year before, owing to the Bush tax cut. Those in the top quintile did pay a little less in 2001 than they did in 2000: 26.8 percent versus 28 percent. But this is still well above the average tax rate they paid in 1984. Interestingly, those at the very top saw virtually no cut at all, even though liberals constantly say that they got the lion's share of the 2001 tax cut. Between 2000 and 2001, those in the top 10 percent of households saw a drop from 29.7 percent to 28.6 percent, and those in the top 5 percent saw a decline from 31.1 percent to 30.1, but those in the top 1 percent saw their effective tax rate virtually unchanged: 33.2 percent versus 33 percent. All of those in the middle three quintiles paid less in 2001 than they paid in 1984. In other words, between 1984 and 2001 average tax rates for the wealthy substantially increased, while at least 80 percent of households paid considerably less. Progressivity rose as the wealthy now pay about six times more than the poor. Looking at the share of taxes paid shows a similar pattern. From 1984 to 2001, those in the bottom quintile reduced their share of the total tax burden from 2.4 percent to 1.1 percent. Those in the top quintile saw their share rise from 55.6 percent to 65.3 percent. Among the ultra wealthy, the top 10 percent increased their share from 39.3 percent to 50 percent, the top 5 percent raised their share from 28.2 percent to 38.5 percent, and that of those in the top 1 percent went up from 14.7 percent to 22.7 percent. In short, the poor paid half as much of the federal tax burden in 2001 as they did in 1984, while the rich paid about 50 percent more. Those in the middle paid about a third less. One would think that those on the left would be happy about this trend. Instead, they constantly demagogue the wealthy as deadbeats unwilling to bear their "fair share" of the tax burden, and berate the Bush tax cuts for having "slashed" taxes for the wealthy, while the rest of us pay more. As is so often the case, the truth is exactly the opposite of that portrayed in the liberal worldview. Unfortunately, all taxpayers pay a price for the steeply graduated tax system that has evolved. A new study by economists Steven Cassou and Kevin Lansing shows that a flat rate tax would add significantly to economic growth. Published in the April issue of Economic Inquiry, it concludes that real per capita gross domestic product might rise by 0.143 percentage points per year. This may not sound like much, but it's the difference between doubling in 33 years instead of 36 years. The Cassou-Lansing study found that flattening the marginal tax rate schedule causes most of the economic gains, which explains why tax burdens on the rich rose as their statutory rates fell. Raising statutory rates on the rich, as John Kerry proposes, likely would reverse this trend, causing taxes on the poor and middle class to rise. Bruce Bartlett is a senior fellow at the National Center for Policy Analysis, a Townhall.com member group. _______________ http://steamcommunity.com/id/citizen059 |
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Mitch - Student
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What website did you get those records from? I know it says the Boston Globe but what site? Just curious, if there factual I applaud you for finding them. However from what I understood from watching the News, listening to Rush Limbaugh and Mitch Albom, those records were kept private by Kerry himself. _______________ Power Preceived, is Power Acheived.' Brother to 3th, Janus, and Vlad. |
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{MOTL}JediPhreaK - Student 
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One thing I really want to point out is that you should not believe what the media says. I want a President that the Rest of the World can respect and put up a good face for our nation. I'd never support a candidate just to get bush out, or anything as such. I want you to all find out for yourself the truth. Don't just let the media tell you how to think. Some of the links I am providing are from the kerry Website, but I have done my best to verify the facts from other sources. I will not ever provide information I have not found thru other means as well. About Kerry Voting NO on Bills Something else I would like to know is why GW is not as of yet willing to debate the issues in an open forum. I'd like to get a better feel for where the cadidates sit on the issues and how they respond to those things brought up by the other. Quote: On March 13th, John Kerry called on George W. Bush to agree to substantive monthly debates on the great issues facing America. Bush hasn't hesitated to launch a series of misleading negative TV ads against Kerry, but he still hasn't accepted Kerry's challenge to give the American people what they deserve: an honest, open discussion about America's future. On April 1st, Governor Jeanne Shaheen, Kerry National Campaign Chairwoman, called on Bush-Cheney Chairman Marc Racicot to accept John Kerry’s invitation to hold six substantive, respectful debates with George Bush. |
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{MOTL}JediPhreaK - Student 
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John Kerry's Service Record John Kerry volunteered for service in the Navy during the Vietnam War, where he served as skipper of a Swift Boat. Lt. Kerry was awarded the Silver Star, Bronze Star with V, three awards of the Purple Heart, Combat Action Ribbon, Navy Presidential Unit Citation, Navy Unit Commendation Ribbon, National Defense Service Medal, Vietnam Service Medal, and the Vietnam Campaign Medal. He is a cofounder of the Vietnam Veterans of America and a life member of the Veterans of Foreign Wars. Kerry is also a member of the NamVets Association, the SWIFT Boat Sailors Association, and is the honorary co-chair of the United States Navy Memorial Foundation, a Corporate Council Member of the Vietnam Veterans Memorial Fund and sits on the Advisory Council for the Library of Congress’s Veterans History Project. In the years since Kerry returned from Vietnam, he has stood up for veterans and the issues of importance to veterans, like mandatory funding for VA healthcare, and concurrent receipt. John Kerry has made it his life's work to remind politicians that the first definition of patriotism is how a grateful nation treats its veterans. John Kerry's Vietnam Service Record: February 18, 1966 – Kerry formally enlists in the U.S. Navy August 22, 1966 – Kerry reports for Naval Officer Candidate School at the U.S. Naval Training Center in Newport, Rhode Island December 16, 1966 – Kerry receives commission as an Ensign January 3, 1967 – Kerry reports for duty at the Naval Schools Command at Treasure Island (CA)-Takes 10 week Officer Damage Control Course March 22, 1967 – Reports to U.S. Fleet Anti-Air Warfare Training Center (CA). Receives training as a Combat Information Center Watch Officer. June 8, 1967 – Kerry reports to USS Gridley-serves in several capacities February 9, 1968 – USS Gridley departs for a Western Pacific (WESTPAC) deployment, to engage in operations in support of the Vietnam War. Ship spends time in the Gulf of Tonkin off North Vietnam, at Subic Bay in the Philippines and in Wellington, New Zealand February 10, 1968 – Kerry requests duty in Vietnam He lists his first preference for a position as an officer in charge of a Swift Boat (designated PCF for Patrol Craft Fast), his second as an officer in a patrol boat (designated PBR, for Patrol Boat River) squadron May 27, 1968 – USS Gridley sets sail for the US June 6, 1968 – Kerry arrives in Long Beach the day after Senator Robert F. Kennedy is killed in Los Angeles June 16, 1968 – Kerry promoted to Lieutenant, Junior Grade July 20, 1968 – Kerry leaves Gridley for specialized training at the Naval Amphibious Base in Coronado, CA in preparation for service as commander of a Swift Boat. These unarmored, but heavily armed, fifty foot aluminum hulled patrol boats depended on speed and agility when engaging the enemy. November 17, 1968 – Upon completion of his training, Kerry reports for duty to Coastal Squadron 1, Coastal Division 14, Cam Ranh Bay, South Vietnam. December 1968 through January 1969 – Kerry commands PCF-44 December 2, 1968 – Kerry experiences first intense combat; receives first combat related injury. December 6, 1968 – Kerry moved to Coastal Division 11 at An Thoi on Phu Quoc Island December 13, 1968 – Kerry moved to Coastal Division 13, Cam Ranh Bay December 24, 1968 – Kerry involved in combat during the Christmas Eve truce of 1968. The truce was three minutes old when mortar fire exploded around Lieutenant Kerry and his five-man crew. Reacting swiftly, John Kerry and his crew silenced the machine gun nest January 22, 1969 – Kerry and other Swift boat commanders travel to Saigon for meeting with Adm. Elmo Zumwalt, Commander Naval Forces Vietnam (COMNAVFORV), and Gen. Creighton Abrams, Commander United States Military Assistance Command Vietnam (COMUSMACV) Late January, 1969 – Kerry joined his 5 man crew on PCF-94 Late January through Early March, 1969 – Starting in late January 1969, this crew completed 18 missions over an intense and dangerous 48 days, almost all of them in the dense jungles of the Mekong Delta. Kerry's crew included engineman Eugene Thorson, later an Iowa cement mason; David Alston, then the crew's only African-American and today a minister in South Carolina; petty officer Del Sandusky of Illinois; rear gunner and quartermaster Michael Medeiros of California; and the late Tom Belodeau, who joined the crew fresh out of Chelmsford High School in Massachusetts. Others rotated in and out of the crew. The most intense action came during an extraordinary eight days of more than 10 firefights, remembered by Kerry's crew as the "days of hell." February 20, 1969 – Kerry and crew involved in combat; Kerry receives second combat injury – Kerry earned his second Purple Heart after sustaining a shrapnel wound in his left thigh. February 28, 1969 – For conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity in action while serving with Coastal Division ELEVEN engaged in armed conflict with Viet Cong insurgents in An Xuyen Province, Republic of Vietnam, on 28 February 1969. Lieutenant (junior grade) Kerry was serving as Officer in Charge of Patrol Craft Fast 94 and Officer in Tactical Command of a three-boat mission. As the force approached the target area on the narrow Dong Cung River, all units came under intense automatic weapons and small arms fire from an entrenched enemy force less than fifty-feet away. Unhesitatingly, Lieutenant (junior grade) Kerry ordered his boat to attack as all units opened fire and beached directly in front of the enemy ambushers. The daring and courageous tactic surprised the enemy and succeeded in routing a score of enemy soldiers. The PCF gunners captured many enemy weapons in the battle that followed. On a request from U.S. Army advisors ashore, Lieutenant (junior grade) Kerry ordered PCFs 94 and 23 further up river to suppress enemy sniper fire. After proceeding approximately eight hundred yards, the boats again were taken under fire from a heavily foliated area and B-40 rocket exploded close aboard PCF-94; with utter disregard for his own safety and the enemy rockets, he again ordered a charge on the enemy, beached his boat only ten feet from the VC rocket position, and personally led a landing party ashore in pursuit of the enemy. Upon sweeping the area an immediate search uncovered an enemy rest and supply area which was destroyed. The extraordinary daring and personal courage of Lieutenant (junior grade) Kerry in attacking a numerically superior force in the face of intense fire were responsible for the highly successful mission. His actions were in keeping with the highest traditions of the United States Naval Service. March 13, 1969 – For heroic achievement while serving with Coastal Division ELEVEN engaged in armed conflict with Viet Cong communist aggressors in An Xuyen Province, Republic of Vietnam, on 13 March 1969. Lieutenant (junior grade) Kerry was serving as Officer in Charge of Patrol Craft Fast 94, one of five boats conducting a SEA Lords operation in the Bay Hap River. While exiting the river, a mine detonated under another Inshore Patrol Craft and almost simultaneously, another mine detonated wounding Lieutenant (junior grade) Kerry in the right arm. In addition, all units began receiving small arms and automatic weapons fire from the river banks. When Lieutenant (junior grade) Kerry discovered he had a man overboard, he returned upriver to assist. The man in the water was receiving sniper fire from both banks. Lieutenant (junior grade) Kerry directed his gunners to provide suppressing fire, while from an exposed position on the bow, his arm bleeding and in pain and with disregard for his safety, he pulled the man aboard. Lieutenant (junior grade) Kerry then directed his boat to return and assist the other damaged boat to safety. Lieutenant (junior grade) Kerry’s calmness, professionalism and great personal courage under fire were in keeping with the highest traditions of the United States Naval Service. Lieutenant (junior grade) Kerry is authorized to wear the Combat “V”. March 17, 1969 – The policy of Coastal Squadron One, the swift boat command, was to send home any individual who is wounded three times in action. After sustaining his third wound from enemy action in Vietnam, Kerry was granted relief under this policy. Early April, 1969 – Kerry departs Vietnam April 11, 1969 – Kerry reports for duty at the Military Sea Transportation Service, U.S. Atlantic Fleet in Brooklyn, NY. January 1, 1970 – Kerry promoted to (full) Lieutenant January 3, 1970 – Kerry requests discharge March 1, 1970 – Kerry’s date of separation from Active Duty April 29, 1970 – Kerry listed as Registrant who has completed service [Source: Boston Globe, “John Kerry, the Making of a Candidate”, 6/15/03-6/21/03; Tour of Duty by Douglas Brinkley, Published by William Morrow 2003; Selective Service System, National Headquarter] |
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Ulic Belouve - Student
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Ok, wait... So if Heinz has offices in the US, UK, Canada, and France, then how can Kerry criticize offshoring jobs? Like DJ said, it's good business. Also, ofshoring jobs helps out in the trade balance. Let me elaborate: The US buys Japanese cars. This puts, say, $2 MIL US DOLLARS in Japan's bank account in the trade balance. In return, Japan decides to buy office buildings in New York, for $2 MILLION US DOLLARS. So you would think the trade balance is even, right? No. Real estate does not count in the trade balance. Japan would still have $2 Miillion US DOLLARS to spend. However, by their buying office buildings, they employ US construction workers to build their offices, wire them, etc. So they have $2 Million US Dollars left to spend. So they decide that Windows XP is a nice program (Just bear with me, OK?), and they buy $2 Million worth of that. OK, NOW we have to be even in the trade balance, right? Wrong. Software does not count in the trade balance, the plastic and packaging does. So, about, say, $2000 is taken out of the trade balance. Never mind the amount of jobs that would be created making software for Japan. So, the US invests/offshores $2 Million, and we (in the above illustration) get $4 Million invested back, while the trade balance shows about 1.98 Million left in Japan's accounts. That's just a REALLY boiled down version. I'm sorry I'm not a textbook on Global Economics. but then, if I were, I couldn't type. Ah well. So, decent points all around. _______________ Jedi do not fight for peace. That's only a slogan, and is as misleading as slogans always are. Jedi fight for civilization, because only civilization creates peace. This comment was edited by Ulic Belouve on Apr 07 2004 03:13pm. |
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DJ Sith - Jedi Council 
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Quote: Also Heinz has business offices and factories in France, the UK, Canada, and The US. That's called "good business". You wouldn't poo poo McDonalds for having a dozen stores in every world city would you?Here's my take again. I lost my job during the bush administration. I don't blame that on him. I blame that on my dummy managers at the place. What I don't like is this came right around that little $300 tax refund for the "workers of america". What the hell was that. Sure it's a bit of money, but it means diddly squat in the long run. If 200 million ppl each got a check like this (I don't know the facts, so im assuming 200 of the 260 million ppl here are working) then that's 600 BILLION dollars he just pissed away in a moronic attempt to bolster the economy. Oh that and the whole cowboy diplomacy thing, defecating on international law and the enviornment, writing discrimination into the constitution, choking on pretzels, kicking my dog, and parking his car in my lawn. _______________ My car is made of Nerf. |
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(Jedi)Obi-JK - Student
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This is a quote right off the Heinze website Quote: Heinz is the most global U.S.-based food company, with a world-class portfolio of powerful brands holding number-one and number-two market positions in more than 50 countries. Also thier world headquaters is based in Pittsburg Also Heinz has business offices and factories in France, the UK, Canada, and The US. So do some research before you just make *beautiful prose* up. If you don't know something just say so. *edited by dj-censormatic* _______________ Silent Bob (Kevin Smith): You know, there's a million fine looking women in the world, dude. But they don't all bring you lasagna at work. Most of 'em just cheat on you. -Steve (Obi) This comment was edited by DJ Sith on Apr 06 2004 08:33pm. |
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Plo Koon - Student 
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well if you think about it he was killing people to help what couldve been me or you,think about it he was over there doing his job risking his life for strangers like any other soldier _______________ Free Tibet! Click this link,and learn Here too |
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Mitch - Student 
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John Kerry was in Vietnam. Whats funny about it is he served only 4 months of what was supposed to be a 12 month tour, managed to obtain 3 purple hearts without ever going to a hospital, and, on top of all this, won't release his military service records, hrmm, I wonder why? And Im pretty sure Heinz is still based in Germany. Mitch _______________ Power Preceived, is Power Acheived.' Brother to 3th, Janus, and Vlad. This comment was edited by Mitch on Apr 06 2004 04:07pm. |
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(Jedi)Obi-JK - Student
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Quote: Kerry ridicules Bush because of loss in jobs and a failing economy, yet, if Kerry gets in office it is almost guranteed that hundreds of thousands of jobs will be lost in the automotive industry...(This annoys me expecially because my dad works in the automotive industry) The job kerry will create are NOT in the auto industry ( I did read where they were but I forget ) Losing job in the auto-industry? Oh no, not that, heaven forbid those fat-cats with white collars there arent eating stuffed boar for dinner, and lets not forget the Union assholes who dont do enough work to get thier blue collars dirty. I Live outside Detriot, Ford and GM right by me. I know people who work at all level in those companies, and the union works do thier damnest to make sure they do anything, while all the managers talk about planing the meeting they are going to plan. If Kerry wants to hurt the auto industry I say good for him. Maybe then they can rationalize having Mexico do 1/2 thier work, and still uping the price of cars. _______________ Silent Bob (Kevin Smith): You know, there's a million fine looking women in the world, dude. But they don't all bring you lasagna at work. Most of 'em just cheat on you. -Steve (Obi) |
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Buzz - Student
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Um Mitch, I don't like Kerry but: He did serve in Vietnam so he was actually over there risking his life. And his wife is an heiress to the Heinz ketchup fortune through a past marriage in which her husband died, and I don't think he's getting all that much money from them anyways. Isn't Heinz Ketchup based in Pittsburgh PA anyways? _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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