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Halendor - ex-Student  |
I was just wondering, now it's final that Kerry is going to battle Bush in the elections, who would you vote for, and please tell us why. This post was edited by Halendor on Mar 05 2004 04:38pm. |
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Mitch - Student 
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Kerry has so many contradicting opinions its ridiculous. Case in point: John Kerry voted NO for a bill that was to supply our soldiers going over to Iraq with proper body armor...The bill did NOT pass. Later, he critisizes Bush for not sending our troops over there with that same body armor... Kerry ridicules Bush because of loss in jobs and a failing economy, yet, if Kerry gets in office it is almost guranteed that hundreds of thousands of jobs will be lost in the automotive industry...(This annoys me expecially because my dad works in the automotive industry) The other thing that real chaps my arse about Kerry is that he called our fighting men in Vietnam baby killers on national TV. That is sick & wrong. Those men protected his freedom, as well as yours and mine, and then he has the balls to critisize the manner in which they did it. WRONG. Also I think its extremely humorous that John Kerry bags on Bush for offering foreginers jobs that americans normally wouldn't do...Yet most of his money came from the Heinz company, which is located in Germany  I can honestly say that our choices for the presidency aren't great...In fact they suck. But, I say we should cut our losses and stick with Bush. All around, I think hes an okay president. Everyone has there flaws, some moreso than others *Cough*Kerry*Cough* Whatever you do, if your 18, get out and vote... TERRORISTS FOR JOHN KERRY!!!!  _______________ Power Preceived, is Power Acheived.' Brother to 3th, Janus, and Vlad. This comment was edited by Mitch on Apr 06 2004 02:18am. |
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Ulic Belouve - Student 
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And for Mr. Kerry, I give him this: You want jobs? We'll give you jobs. "U.S. payrolls grew at the fastest pace in nearly four years in March, the government said Friday, in a report that soared past Wall Street forecasts," CNN/Money reports: Quote: Payrolls outside the farm sector grew by 308,000 jobs in March, the Labor Department reported, compared with a revised gain of 46,000 in February. John Kerry has been betting that the sluggish job market will persuade Americans to turn President Bush out of office. There's no guarantee that the March jobs explosion will continue, but if it does, it'll be a long seven months for Kerry and the Dems. Of course, the Labor Department is biased against Kerry, right? There'll only interested in oil profits, right? After all, it's all about the oil, and the Labor Department couldn't POSSIBLY stay objective. Sure. _______________ Jedi do not fight for peace. That's only a slogan, and is as misleading as slogans always are. Jedi fight for civilization, because only civilization creates peace. |
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Ulic Belouve - Student 
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Yay Rahn! You come out with the commetn that I put in my signature, which was grand, but would be a world of trouble to back up. But it's still true. And then you drop in something like this. Far more scholarly than I would have thought (apart from any analysis tying things together, but oh well), but still much more than I would have even asked for. Great! But this is good. I like it. I'll only put in some brief commentary. I think that the Clark thing will not have the momentum to carry to November. And it may also do damage to the Democratic capaign, to where it will hurt the Republican cause, but hurt the Democratic cause too. Thus, they'd most likely let it burn out in time, and use something else to assault Bush with. That's been the big stories, are things that hurt Bush only, like the AWOL thing, ofshoring jobs, the economy. They were using 9-11 hot and heavily, until the 3-11 thing, and then the investigation shows screwups in the Clinton administration and approach. And Kerry is going back and forth on enough items also. I recall him being against giving tax breaks to corporations, but he's going to do that now, to win over the votes of people who think ofshoring is good for compaies. He'll play the "this is good too, and it keeps the jobs HERE" card. Well, yeah, it does all that, but one forgets the Trade Balance and Global Economy. They both do about the same thing for US corporations, but one boosts the Trade Balance and the Global Economy, which in the long run will boost the US economy. But I'm not going to teach a Global Economy class here. Even though I do have books on the topic that I think I will mail off to Kerry. Just so he can brush up on Global Economics. But, eh, my commentary. I've nothing big to contribute right now, so I'll go read some more or whatever. I'll let you know if I find anything good. And I'm working on those bumper stickers. Hehe. Yeah. _______________ Jedi do not fight for peace. That's only a slogan, and is as misleading as slogans always are. Jedi fight for civilization, because only civilization creates peace. |
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Rahn del Sol - Student 
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Sitting back and looking at it, that's all I'm gonna say on this issue. I hate getting involved in discussions like this. Right now I'm just worn out from trying to fix my connection problems to the JA servers.  _______________ http://steamcommunity.com/id/citizen059 |
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Rahn del Sol - Student 
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I don't really agree with that idea. Most of the world pretty much already thinks that Americans are lazy, stupid, and arrogant. They don't really dislike us any more right now than they did before. They just don't like it that we have a President who won't obey the sputtering mandates of a useless and ineffectual UN. Leading into the war against Iraq, people were most upset because France, Germany, China, and Russia didn't support us going in. They claimed we were "rushing" into war, that there HAD to be a peaceful resolution. People claim that Bush was just "after the oil", and that the rest of the world knows better. The rest of the world wants peace, and Bush is just a warmongerer who's out to make his oil buddies rich. Let's see what our friends in France, Germany, China, and Russia have to say about that: (From Apr. 1 2003) France France controls over 22.5 percent of Iraq’s imports.[1] French total trade with Iraq under the oil-for-food program is the third largest, totaling $3.1 billion since 1996, according to the United Nations.[2] (Just a note...remember from this point forward, anytime you see a reference to the UN-sponsored "Oil for Food" program...little to none of the money intended to help Iraq's citizens actually made it much farther than Saddam's bank accounts, as we've now learned from evidence found, something most of us suspected all along.) In 2001 France became Iraq’s largest European trading partner. Roughly 60 French companies did an estimated $1.5 billion in trade with Baghdad in 2001 under the U.N. oil-for-food program.[3] France’s largest oil company, Total Fina Elf, has negotiated extensive oil contracts to develop the Majnoon and Nahr Umar oil fields in southern Iraq. Both the Majnoon and Nahr Umar fields are estimated to contain as much as 25 percent of the country’s oil reserves. The two fields purportedly contain an estimated 26 billion barrels of oil.[4] In 2002, the non-war price per barrel of oil was $25. Based on that average these two fields have the potential to provide a gross return near $650 billion. France’s Alcatel company, a major telecom firm, is negotiating a $76 million contract to rehabilitate Iraq’s telephone system.[5] In 2001 French carmaker Renault SA sold $75 million worth of farming equipment to Iraq.[6] More objections have been lodged against French export contracts with Iraq than any other exporting country under the oil-for-food program, according to a report published by the London Times. In addition French companies have signed contracts with Iraq worth more than $150 million that are suspected of being linked to its military operations.[7] Some of the goods offered by French companies to Iraq, detailed by UN documents, include refrigerated trucks that can be used as storage facilities and mobile laboratories for biological weapons. Iraq owes France an estimated $6 billion in foreign debt accrued from arms sales in the 1970s and ‘80s.[8] From 1981 to 2001, according to the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI), France was responsible for over 13 percent of Iraq’s arms imports.[9] Germany Direct trade between Germany and Iraq amounts to about $350 million annually, and another $1 billion is reportedly sold through third parties.[10] It has recently been reported that Saddam Hussein has ordered Iraqi domestic businesses to show preference to German companies as a reward for Germany’s “firm positive stand in rejecting the launching of a military attack against Iraq.” It was also reported that over 101 German companies were present at the Baghdad Annual exposition.[11] During the 35th Annual Baghdad International Fair in November 2002, a German company signed a contract for $80 million for 5,000 cars and spare parts.[12] In 2002, DaimlerChrysler was awarded over $13 million in contracts for German trucks and spare parts.[13] Germany is owed billions by Iraq in foreign debt generated during the 1980’s.[14] German officials are investigating a German corporation accused of illegally channeling weapons to Iraq via Jordan. The equipment in question is used for boring the barrels of large cannons and is allegedly intended for Saddam Hussein’s Al Fao Supercannon project.[15] An article in the German daily Tageszeitung reported that of the more than 80 German companies that have done business with Baghdad since around 1975 and have continued to do so up until 2001, many have supplied whole systems or components for weapons of mass destruction. Russia Russia controls roughly 5.8 percent of Iraq’s annual imports.[16] Under the U.N. oil-for-food program, Russia’s total trade with Iraq was somewhere between $530 million and $1 billion for the six months ending in December of 2001.[17] According to the Russian Ambassador to Iraq, Vladimir Titorenko, new contracts worth another $200 million under the U.N. oil-for-food program are to be signed over the next three months.[18] Russia’s LUKoil negotiated a $4 billion, 23-year contract in 1997 to rehabilitate the 15 billion-barrel West Qurna field in southern Iraq. Work on the oil field was expected to commence upon cancellation of U.N. sanctions on Iraq. The deal is currently on hold.[19] In October 2001, Salvneft, a Russian–Belarus company, negotiated a $52 million service contract to drill at the Tuba field in Southern Iraq.[20] In April 2001, Russia’s Zaruezhneft and Tatneft companies received a service contract to drill in the Saddam, Kirkuk, and Bai Hassan fields to rehabilitate the fields and reduce water incursion. Together the deals were valued at $13.2 million.[21] A future $40 billion Iraqi–Russian economic agreement, reportedly signed in 2002, would allow for extensive oil exploration opportunities throughout western Iraq.[22] The proposal calls for 67 new projects, over a 10-year time frame, to explore and further develop fields in southern Iraq and the Western Desert, including the Suba, Luhais, West Qurna, and Rumaila projects. Additional projects added to the deal include second-phase construction of a pipeline running from southern to northern Iraq, and extensive drilling and gas projects. Work on these projects would commence upon cancellation of sanctions.[23] Russia’s Gazprom Company over the past few years has signed contracts worth $18 million to repair gas stations in Iraq.[24] The former Soviet Union was the premier supplier of Iraqi arms. From 1981 to 2001, Russia supplied Iraq with 50 percent of its arms.[25] Soviet-era debt of $7 billion through $8 billion was generated by arms sales to Iraq during the 1980–1988 Iran–Iraq war. Three Russian firms are suspected of selling electronic jamming equipment, antitank missiles and thousands of night-vision goggles to Iraq in violation of U.N. sanctions.[26] Two of the companies identified are Aviaconversiya and KBP Tula. China China controls roughly 5.8 percent of Iraq’s annual imports.[27] China National Oil Company, partnered with China North Industries Corp., negotiated a 22-year-long deal for future oil exploration in the Al Ahdab field in southern Iraq.[28] In recent years, the Chinese Aero-Technology Import–Export Company (CATIC) has been contracted to sell “meteorological satellite” and “surface observation” equipment to Iraq. The U.N. oil-for-food program approved this contract.[29] CATIC also won approval from the U.N. in July 2000 to sell $2 million worth of fiber optic cables. This and similar contracts approved were disguised as telecommunications gear. These cables can be used for secure data and communications links between national command and control centers and long-range search radar, targeting radar, and missile-launch units, according to U.S. officials. In addition, China National Electric Wire & Cable and China National Technical Import Telecommunications Equipment Company are believed to have sold Iraq $6 million and $15.5 million worth of communications equipment and other unspecified supplies, respectively.[30] According to a report from SIPRI, from 1981 to 2001, China was the second largest supplier of weapons and arms to Iraq, supplying over 18 percent of Iraq’s weapons imports.[31] [1]Central Intelligence Agency, The World Factbook 2002, at http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook. [2]Jon Talton, “French Ideals and Profits in the Iraqi Triangle”, The Arizona Republic, February 23, 2003. [3]Jon Talton, “French Ideals and Profits in the Iraqi Triangle,” The Arizona Republic, February 23, 2003. [4]Kenneth Katzman, Iraq: Oil-for-Food Program, International Sanctions, and Illicit Trade, Congressional Research Service, September 26, 2002. [5]Evelyn Iritani, “Hussein’s Government Signs Lucrative Contracts, Especially with Nations that Oppose the U.S. Led Effort to Oust the Regime,” The Los Angeles Times, November 11, 2002. [6] David Gauthier-Villars and John Carreyrou, “France Hopes to Use Old Ties to Land Role in Rebuilding Iraq”, The Wall Street Journal, March 26, 2003. [7] Stephen Grey and Jon Ungoed-Thomas, “France’s $150m Deals linked to Iraq Arms”, Sunday Times-London, February 23, 2003. [8] Faye Bowers, “Driving Forces in War-wary Nations: The Stances of France, Germany, Russia and China are colored by economic and national interests”, Christian Science Monitor, February 25, 2003. [9]Information from Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI), “Arms Transfers to Iraq, 1981–2001,” at http://projects.sipri.se/armstrade/IRQ_IMPORTS_1982-2001.pdf. [10]David R. Sands, “France, Germany Protect Iraq Ties,” The Washington Times, February 20, 2003. [11]David R. Sands, “France, Germany Protect Iraq Ties,” The Washington Times, February 20, 2003. [12]“Africa Analysis—Trade Points Way to Peace”, The Financial Times: Asia Africa Intelligence Wire, November 19, 2002. [13]Faye Bowers, “Driving Forces in War-Wary Nations: The Stances of France, Germany, Russia and China Are Colored by Economic and National Interests,” Christian Science Monitor, February 25, 2003. [14] Faye Bowers, “Driving Forces in War-wary Nations: The Stances of France, Germany, Russia and China are colored by economic and national interests”, Christian Science Monitor, February 25, 2003. [15]“Helping Saddam Rearm,” The Wall Street Journal, October 11, 2002. [16]Central Intelligence Agency, The World Factbook 2002, at http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook. [17]Testimony provided by Ariel Cohen to the House International Relations Committee, “Russia and the Axis of Evil: Money, Ambition and U.S. Interests,” February 26, 2003. [18]Nelli Sharushkina, “Russia Plays the Field in Iraq—Mixed Signals Worry Baghdad,” Energy Intelligence Briefing, February 5, 2003. [19]Dan Morgan and David B. Ottaway, “In Iraqi War Scenario, Oil Is Key Issue,” The Washington Post, September 15, 2002. [20]Dan Morgan and David B. Ottaway, “In Iraqi War Scenario, Oil Is Key Issue,” The Washington Post, September 15, 2002. [21] “Russia Angles to Protect Post-war Interests”, Energy Comapss, March 21, 2003 [22]Scott Peterson, “Russia’s Newest Tie to Iraq: Moscow Is Set to Sign a $40 billion Economic Pact with Baghdad Next Month,” Christian Science Monitor, August 20, 2002. [23]“Mideast Tensions to Delay Iraq Iraqi–Russian Signing,” Energy Compass, April 19, 2002. [24]Dmitry Zhdannikov, “Russian’s Grim About Working Under Saddam,” The Houston Chronicle, April 14, 2002. [25]Information from Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI), “Arms Transfers to Iraq, 1981–2001,” at http://projects.sipri.se/armstrade/IRQ_IMPORTS_1982-2001.pdf. [26] Peter Slevin, “3 Russian Firms’ Deals Anger U.S.”, The Washington Post, March 23, 2003. [27]Central Intelligence Agency, The World Factbook 2002, at http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook. [28]Trish Saywell, “Oil: The Danger of Deals with Iraq,” Far Eastern Economic Review, March 6, 2003. [29]Kenneth R. Timmerman, “Rogues Lending Hand to Saddam,” Insight on the News, March 4, 2003. [30]Kenneth R. Timmerman, “Rogues Lending Hand to Saddam,” Insight on the News, March 4, 2003. [31]Information from Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI), “Arms Transfers to Iraq, 1981–2001,” at http://projects.sipri.se/armstrade/IRQ_IMPORTS_1982-2001.pdf. The point to all this is, there's motives for everything by every party involved. If we don't stand up for ourselves in this world, who will? Certainly not our "Allies". _______________ http://steamcommunity.com/id/citizen059 |
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3th - Retired 
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it will be interesting to see where all the fallout from the Clarke incedent lands the bush administration. Rahn, all of your words seem to imply that a democratic administration would have been unsucessful in hunting down and eliminating terrorists. i think that people are starting to see that the tactics of the bush admin have isolated us to a point of detrimental effect in the world perspective. i think that any democrat would be compelled to respond just as severily as the current admin has, the american people would have demanded it. it just would have happened in a way that didn't say "f*ck you" to the rest of the world. THAT is the primary failure of the bush admin. and i would say that the results of the poll on this thread reflect the global view of the current admin as leading the united states in the direction of continued global detriment. _______________ this is the internet, be serious damn it! |
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Rahn del Sol - Student
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Yes, I'm totally serious. As for trying to "back things up", I've been in so many political forum discussions in the past, I've just learned there's not often a real need to do that, unless you're just so far off the wall that it's totally unbelievable. Everyone posts their opinion, and nobody ever changes no matter what anyone else says. It's a waste of time to try. I used to spend like, a half hour on a post, citing references and dates and specific facts to back up my posts... Only to have everyone who disagreed with me just attack the source without even bothering to read the information contained. "Oh, well of COURSE that person would say something like that." "Oh, well, naturally you'd go to XXXX News Agency, they're just a conservative shill". etc etc. But, since it's "the way" to do things...I'll put it to you this way. We got hit on Sept. 11th, and got hit hard. It was really just one more in a string of attacks by al-Qaeda against US interests around the world, and it was the second attack they'd attempted on the World Trade Center. The American public really didn't seem to care, until that day. Despite what the talk radio hosts say, the Clinton administration didn't just sit back and do *nothing*. They just didn't do *enough*. They treated terrorism as a bunch of criminals who needed to be arrested and put in jail. As a result, tracking them down was difficult, if not impossible. After the Bush administration took office, they stepped up covert ops to try and take out al-Qaeda. After 9-11, Bush declared war on terrorism, changing the country's policy from one of law enforcement to military engagement. Look at what's happened since 9-11. Afghanistan has been freed from the Taliban...al-Qaeda still exists but is a shattered, splintered shell of its former self...Iraq is no longer under the rule of a murdering dictator who trained terrorists. Other countries have stepped up to the plate and surrendered their stockpiles of WMD's. Progress is being made that never happened under the law enforcement/terrorist appeasement policies that John Kerry wants to take us back to. I could post more, but I have to go to work now. If you have time, you might also read this: http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/003/735tahyk.asp _______________ http://steamcommunity.com/id/citizen059 This comment was edited by Rahn del Sol on Mar 28 2004 04:41pm. |
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Bail Hope of Belouve - Student 
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haha sorry, but I just LOVE that bumper-sticker idea _______________ Visit the Belouve Family Website! Quote: I try to have fun with my friends and try to make a difference as best I can. What does making a difference mean? Well, it can be as simple as saying hello, answering a question that seems obvious or heck, just talking. -- Vladarion
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Ulic Belouve - Student
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Aw man. I applaude you. That's what I would like to say, but I'm too "scholarly" and "analytical" to say something like that without really backing it up. But if you put it on a bumper sticker, I'll buy one. Oh! And don't forget Kim Jong-Il, leader of North Korea, who wants Kerry to win so they have a better chance of keeping their nuclear weapons. So it should be: Quote: Islamic Terrorists and North Korean Nuclear Programs need your support! Vote for John Kerry in 2004! Sounds good for a bumper sticker. I should make one. Or maybe..... I can change my signature..... That's like a bumper sticker. Hrm..... _______________ Jedi do not fight for peace. That's only a slogan, and is as misleading as slogans always are. Jedi fight for civilization, because only civilization creates peace. This comment was edited by Ulic Belouve on Mar 28 2004 04:22pm. |
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3th - Retired
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Quote: Voting for Bush. I have no desire to see my taxes raised, and see terrorists win. Islamic Terrorists need your support. Vote for John Kerry in 2004! there is no way on earth you can remotely be serious... or is there? _______________ this is the internet, be serious damn it! This comment was edited by 3th on Mar 28 2004 09:35am. |
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Rahn del Sol - Student
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Voting for Bush. I have no desire to see my taxes raised, and see terrorists win. By the way, did anyone else notice how a terrorist strike in Spain caused the people to vote out the "tough on terror" administration and vote in one that'd wave a white flag of surrender? You just know they've got to be thinking, "what if we can get that devil Bush out of office the same way?" Islamic Terrorists need your support. Vote for John Kerry in 2004! _______________ http://steamcommunity.com/id/citizen059 |
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Ecepeexo Utanbar - Student 
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I vote for Obi-Wan _______________ "Before reaching Knighthood, all Jedi make a sacrifice. It is not required by the Master, nor is it a part of the Jedi Code to do so. It happens naturally. A sacrifice which shows your dedication to the Force, and to a new life, based on selflessness. This may be someone close to you, that you come to realize you must let go of in order to follow your path. It may be a certain addiction, or passion for something that would inhibit your abilities. It is not necesarilly your choice as to what you give up, and it is also a mile stone at which will decide your destiny. Choose wisely, and may the Force be with you." ~Jedi Streen |
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Ulic Belouve - Student
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I didn't think anyone would take me so seriously on the car point. It was more a jest. But fun seeing the responses anyways. _______________ Jedi do not fight for peace. That's only a slogan, and is as misleading as slogans always are. Jedi fight for civilization, because only civilization creates peace. |
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DJ Sith - Jedi Council 
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I'd like to think he doesn't have a license because of the cocaine and drinking. *rimshot* _______________ My car is made of Nerf. |
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Buzz - Student 
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The fact of more military involvement preventing 9/11 from happening is not about shooting the planes down. Its about how other things were handled, like attacks on our embassies in Africa or the attack on the U.S.S. Cole and who knows what else. A stronger military response to these events might not have made Al Quaeda so bold to do what it did. And I don't really care what kind of car any of them drive. There are Honda plants here in Ohio so buying a Honda supports the paycheck of people around me. Besides most of them don't even drive themselves. I think I remember hearing Bush no longer has a valid driver's license because of how long its been since he's driven. I don't like things such as that, but what I don't like more is how congressman get to decide on their own pay raises and when they retire receive a tax free salary for the rest of their lives paid by us. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. This comment was edited by Buzz on Mar 24 2004 10:33pm. |
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Halendor - Ex-Student 
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Quote: What kind of car does Kerry drive? Is it a foreign car? Or is he really against offshoring jobs to the point where he buys American cars? This is exactly why I think American politics aren't democratic at all. It's all about appearance, not about content. Sure, appearance is important, but these kind of remarks make me sad. |
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(Jedi)Obi-JK - Student 
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What kind of car, does Kerry drive, well lets take Ford Motor Company, for example, a "REAL" American car. If he drove a 2005 F-350 Power Stroke Diesel, you would probably say, "Well, I guess he is for American Workers," and if he drove say a Mazda RX-8 an evil foriegn car, you'd say SEE I told you he is a hypocritical bastard. ( Not that both Bush and Kerry arent slick talking politicians full of good ol' american bullshit ) First, if someone is going to buy a "car" ( not a truck or SUV ) I would recommend a foriegn car, unless you like paying for crap. Since most of America, is caught up in the "trendy" truck/SUV buying phase, those are now the most quality built cars in america, oh but guess what is suffering, cars, not matter the kinda, sports cars, economy cars, and even family cars. And lets say Kerry drive a foriegn car, that mean jack shit about where it was made, for example Ford Motor Company, a HUGE American automobile manufactorer also owns these car brands: Lincoln Mercury Mazda ( oh shit these a is foriegn car ) Volvo Jaguar Land Rover Aston Martin So guess what, 1/2 your Ford cars have parts from overseas, and 1/2 your Mazda cars have parts from the US. And would anyone believe that Ford is the ONLY American car manufactorer to be dipping thier hands in mulitple name brands, using workers from multiple countries. So, I know all this cause I grew up, around 10 mins from Ford World Head quarters, like 3/5 cars around me is a Ford, Im sure If I grew up in Flint, MI instead fo Detroit, MI I would know all about Chevy cars, not either one isnt a huge evil, shithole company that wouldnt rather go back to slave labor, instead of giving thier employees a raise, oh yeah while im at Dodge can suck me also, they all blow. Summary: Politicians blow, car companies only give a shit about profit. _______________ Silent Bob (Kevin Smith): You know, there's a million fine looking women in the world, dude. But they don't all bring you lasagna at work. Most of 'em just cheat on you. -Steve (Obi) |
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Halendor - Ex-Student
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Using the military is pointless if you don't know what to look for. How could the Clinton/Bush administration possible have seen two planes hitting the WTC coming? I think alot of people have too much faith in these intellegence agencies. I believe they know and are able to prevent alot, but the terrorists aren't fools either. If it hadn't been Bin Laden, it would've been some other terrorist organisation. It's a structural problem, and that isn't neccesarily solved with brute military force. Quote: In war there is no Good Guys..... In Theory one mans Hero is another mans Villian....... If look at it from a democratic viewpoint, the 'guys' with the most 'guys' supporting them are the good guys This comment was edited by Halendor on Mar 24 2004 09:02pm. |
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In war there is no Good Guys..... In Theory one mans Hero is another mans Villian....... _______________ If you add me to MSN, tell me who you are 
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DJ Sith - Jedi Council
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You prevent attacks with defense, not offense. I'm glad that we didn't kill Bin Laden back then. If we aren't 100% sure he's gonna be there and you might hurt civilians then don't do it. That's how the "good guys" are supposed to act. Look at Israel. They just killed Hamas' leader and opened themselves up for a world of hurt. I read an article in Time about how Kerry was once the head of a group called VAW (Veterans Against War) speaking out against the vietnam war after he served in it. Pretty interesting. _______________ My car is made of Nerf. |
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How could military action have stopped 9/11? I know, let's shoot down a pair of aircraft with civilians on board! Ay yi yi! |
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Ulic Belouve - Student
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Ah, but remember. For Kerry, it's not a war on terror. It's law enforcement. Unless, of course, he's bashing Bush's campaing ads. Then it's a war. And it's wrong to use a war in campaign ads, according to Kerry. But, er, Mr. Kerry? Didn't you say it isn't a war. Oh, and contrary to what Kerry said, about 2 jobs being lost every minute, that was true way back in about September. Now, 385,000 jobs have been created, which makes the rate: 1.4 Jobs created per minute. Yeah. And another thing, The September 11 panel is finding fault with the Bush and Clinton administration, in being reluctant to use military force, as a reason that September 11 happened. Yet Kerry takes the stance that we should be reluctant to use military force, and only use it when necessary. Strange, Mr. Kerry, Bush and Clinton were reluctant to use the military, and September 11 happened. Now that we have a leader who isn't afraid to use the military, we should replace this leader with someone who is reluctant to use the military. And how will this fix the afformentioned problem regarding lack of military action and September 11th? How we will prevent more attacks, Mr. Kerry? And a question I want to see if others can answer (I'll be looking for the info myself). What kind of car does Kerry drive? Is it a foreign car? Or is he really against offshoring jobs to the point where he buys American cars? I don't know, but either way it would be neat to find out. And I'll add in citations later, my apologies for not citing anything yet, so feel free to bash me on that, if you really want to. _______________ Jedi do not fight for peace. That's only a slogan, and is as misleading as slogans always are. Jedi fight for civilization, because only civilization creates peace. |
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Halendor - Ex-Student 
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Quote: some resistance now, or a few left over radicalist/saddam followers/soon to be the breathing challenged. Then what happened in Madrid? Moscow? Israel? I believe there are still hundreds of people willing to sacrifice themselves to get some attention. The war's not over, I just think this isn't the right way to fight it. Quote: Why should a crazy nut like him be re-elected to be the most powerful man in the world? Er, you consider to be your president to be the most powerful man in the world? This comment was edited by Halendor on Mar 23 2004 03:56pm. |
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Thomasooo - Student 
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ANYONE's better than Bush!!  The man's a maniac and stupid! Why should a crazy nut like him be re-elected to be the most powerful man in the world? I don't have room for all the reasons that he shouldn't be re-elected.. Sheesh!  _______________ In the navy and LOVING it!
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(Jedi)Obi-JK - Student
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The war IS over, there maybe some resistance now, or a few left over radicalist/saddam followers/soon to be the breathing challenged. The one thing I like about all the Democrats the election was they want to get the WORLD involved in the rebuilding of Iraq, this will: 1.) Rebuild our relations with the UN 2.) Strech out the financial burden 3.) Make sure we arent rebuilding the 51st state btw, Im not saying this is going to make we vote for Kerry, this alone I don't think is enough, but I do consider quite significant. _______________ Silent Bob (Kevin Smith): You know, there's a million fine looking women in the world, dude. But they don't all bring you lasagna at work. Most of 'em just cheat on you. -Steve (Obi) |
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