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I was just wondering, now it's final that Kerry is going to battle Bush in the elections, who would you vote for, and please tell us why. This post was edited by Halendor on Mar 05 2004 04:38pm. |
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Ruuk Haviser - Retired 
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Here are some things I found on Google regarding the Liberal/Conservative issue (for the first two, copy and paste the source into your web browser). ===== Conservative vs. Liberal: The Problem With The Package Deal of Political Labels Posted by Kyle Sing source: (copy and paste into your web browser) http://www.chicagoreport.net/archives/000630.php ===== Conservative vs. Liberal source: http://www.lasersol.com/progress/lib_con.html ===== THIS LAST ONE IS GOOD, SO I'LL PASTE THE ENTIRE TEXT IN HERE... Conservative Rage vs. Liberal Guilt Published on Sunday, January 21, 2001 in the Minneapolis Star-Tribune by David Morris source: http://www.commondreams.org/views01/0121-03.htm Regarding John Ashcroft, Sen. Russell Feingold, D-Wis., maintains, "A Republican president ought to be able to appoint people of strong conservative ideology." Can you imagine Sens. Jesse Helms or Trent Lott uttering those words about a Democratic president and his strongly ideological liberal nominee? Think Lani Guinier. Conservatives and liberals take a fundamentally different approach to politics. Conservatives are driven by rage; liberals by guilt. Conservatives attack. Liberals equivocate. Liberals inhabit a world painted a thousand shades of gray. Conservatives live in a black and white world. Conservatives believe they are battling evil. Liberals believe they are struggling to overcome human frailties. Christopher Lasch's 1978 book, "The Culture of Narcissism," was rumored to be Jimmy Carter's favorite book and the inspiration for his infamous "malaise" speech. We have seen the enemy, the liberal president advised in that speech, and he is us. No self-respecting conservative would be burdened by such self-doubt. Tolerance is the watchword for liberals. Punishment is the watchword for conservatives. In 1980, when the nation's overworked air traffic controllers went on strike, President Ronald Reagan fired every last one. Ten years later, after the union had been broken and a trickle of unemployed controllers came hat in hand to apply for jobs, President George Bush refused to hire them. In the 1960s, Morton Halperin served in both the Johnson and Nixon administrations. In 1970 he resigned in protest over Nixon's illegal invasion of Cambodia. In 1993 President Clinton nominated him to a Pentagon post. He was eminently qualified. Enraged conservatives didn't care. To them Halperin was a traitor. They forced him to withdraw. A few days after the polls closed in Florida this past November, Republicans made it perfectly clear that if a court-ordered recount declared Gore the winner, they would fight the outcome all the way to Congress. On Jan. 6, 15 Democratic members of the House of Representatives rose to challenge Florida's electors, citing a pattern of irregularities in the voting. Their challenge could not be heard unless one senator signed their petition. No Democrat would do so. In January 1993, a liberal president took office. The Republicans were a minority in the House and the Senate. That didn't stop them from waging war. Indeed, Sen. Bob Dole used the filibuster to an extent unknown in U.S. history to stop Clinton from enacting any significant legislation. For almost two years, Dole forced liberals to gain 60 votes, not 51 votes, to win. Does anyone believe Minority Leader Tom Daschle will embrace such a strategy? I appreciate liberals' devotion to tolerance and diversity. Really. But after a while I begin to think Robert Frost was right when he defined a liberal as someone "so broadminded he won't take his own side in an argument." This is a dangerous time. We have a president who takes great satisfaction in having presided over about 150 executions while governor of Texas, more than the previous three governors of that state combined. Despite the mounting evidence that many innocent people have been executed, George W. has no doubts that every last one of those people deserved to die. The moral burden does not weigh heavily on our new president. "Guess what?" Governor Bush asked the television audience during his second debate. "The three men who murdered James Byrd, guess what's going to happen to them? They're going to be put to death." (Actually, only two of the three received the death sentence.) The Chattanooga Times editorialized, "The triumphant look on his face was chilling...." Republicans from Richard Nixon to James Watt to Tom DeLay have treated their opponents as the enemy. That is a well-documented historical fact. What makes the nomination of John Ashcroft as attorney general so ominous is that this tendency toward demonization may soon be wrapped in a higher authority. "There is no king but Jesus," Ashcroft proudly proclaims. To which I would respond, there is no war more devastating than a holy war. David Morris, of Minneapolis, is vice president of the Institute for Local Self-Reliance. © Copyright 2001 Star Tribune ===== Maybe this will help explain some things. -rh _______________ Back from the dead... This comment was edited by Ruuk Haviser on Mar 10 2004 10:37pm. |
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Ulic |retired| - Student 
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Although the world is heading to a future near to that, it will not be that dramatic in this century. I totally agree the largest pollutioner in the world should at least cooperate with treaties like Kyoto to improve the environment and stop the extra warming up of the earth. But then again, it effects me greatly because if the temperature rises i would now live several meters below the sea. _______________ Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam |
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Lord Exar Kun - Student 
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the snow part is bullshit, sru. The Arctic ice wont melt in 30-40 years, even with the global warming etc. sry for the off topicness  _______________ -Retired april the 19th 2004 |
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SilkMonkey - Distributor of Cold Ones 
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I voted Kerry because Bush's administration terrifies me. I'm completely anti-patriot act, and bush trying to push for banning gay marriage is just stupid. And I'm not sure who here knew about this; but the big proposal with Russia, USA and 1-2 other countries got shot down by Bush because it would have apparently cost too much money to reduce environmental pollution. Being from texas, Bush wouldn't care, but being from the Northwest I know what that means to me. In 30-40 years, there will be no more snow in the world. Yes, I mean the WORLD. I don't want to have the planet even more screwed up by an ignorant administration so...I'm voting Kerry. _______________ |-HK-47 -SilkMonkey: You are receiving a warning for being_too_sexy. If you do not stop, action will be taken against you.|| (11:13:43) � Virtue dances for Silk ||Smiling owner of Smilykrazy's 6000th comment =) ||Odan Wei's Proud Big Brother|| Janus is my official TaruTaru Cuddly Animal Type Person. ||(@Virtue) Or you could just be a man and set fire to your genitals.....you won't fall asleep for days after that.......trust me.||Thomas Skywalker er for sexy for sitt eget beste!!!!| Not changing sig until the JA loosens up. (Started: Aug 31, 2005) This comment was edited by SilkMonkey on Mar 10 2004 03:45pm. |
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Halendor - Ex-Student 
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I don't have a BA in Political Science, so I'm not exactly sure with what everyone means with 'black and white' and 'grey'. Could someone give a clear example of when Conservatives think black and white and Liberals think grey on the same issue? |
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(Jedi)Obi-JK - Student 
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I am going to play a slight devil's advocate here. We are going assume this is true: 1.) Conservative think most issues are black and white. 2.) Liberals think most issues are grey. EDIT: Also about my post "Kerry is ahead in the JA polls," no, I would never assume this polls means a damn thing, I mean really it wouldnt be hard to have say 8 or 9 JA accounts, and have them all vote for one side. Also consider the issues they are looking at. They aren't, should joe buy a coke or a mountain dew, ( btw, he should buy a coke cause I say so  )Aren't most of these issues going to fall more into the "grey" catagory? _______________ Silent Bob (Kevin Smith): You know, there's a million fine looking women in the world, dude. But they don't all bring you lasagna at work. Most of 'em just cheat on you. -Steve (Obi) This comment was edited by (Jedi)Obi-JK on Mar 10 2004 06:11am. |
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Ruuk Haviser - Retired
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Those who remember my long posts, be forewarned. Those who have not encountered them, welcome to the club: Buzz - Good points. Halendor - Bible interpretation...exactly. That's one of the reasons why there are so many types of Christians. Some believe in it word for word. Others believe in it symbolically. I tend toward the latter. I can go into this further if anyone wishes. Ulic - Although you work in a rather unique environment that definitely helps inform your views, I have to lean toward what Buzz was saying. Please take just a little more care in commenting. There are a very many reasons why people do not support Bush (me being one of them), and if I have some time I'll dig some information up for you all. I happen to be one of those in your minority: I have a job, insurance, and also happen to have a Masters degree. I've been following the run up to the Presidential election before Howard Dean was even a speck on the media radar screen, and have also been closely following Mr. Bush's administration over the past few years. And I haven't been impressed with what I've seen. I will STRONGLY AGREE with you regarding the mainstream media...bunch of sorry fox chasers. Too much of the media is owned by large corporations, who are primarily interested in the entertainment value of the news. Everyone please notice how shows like Crossfire, Hardball, etc. involve, many times, people basically just yelling at each other. No matter what anyone says, National Public Radio remains one of the few places where I can attempt to find neutral territory. And I said "attempt." They aren't perfect either. But, at least I feel I can get a more thorough and balanced view from both sides. And an FYI: I have listened to Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilley, and other conservative radio commentators, in addition to subscribing to the republican-leaning newspaper in my area. I like to try to see what the other side is saying. It's my way of trying to make myself a more well rounded/informed person. As for your comment regarding b/w being conservative and grey being liberal, I will have to take a position here of saying that, yeah, conservatives have a TENDENCY to be black and white, while liberals have a TENDENCY to think things are more grey. Which is very frustrating for me, because there are some things the left wing people are spouting that pisses me off (thus my agreeing more with conservatives) while many things the right wing people talk about frighten me (hence my tending back left). Most everything for me is grey. Basically like what Billy said. If more people would take both sides of the story and look in the middle, I think we'd find the truth. That, to me, seems like a grey thing to do. Which, unfortunately, appears to be something that does not tend to lie on the conservative welcome mat. So, good people, knock on my door: I'll listen, and if you provide me with good information/reasons I'll most definitely try to look at things from your point of view. I most certainly acknowledge that my ideas are subject to change. Especially if I feel as though you have a good argument. Now, does this mean I flip-flop on issues and shouldn't be elected President? I don't think so. I think it means I stood on *always* shifting ground based on my then-current knowledge. I'm opening myself up for comment, so have at it. -rh _______________ Back from the dead... |
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Buzz - Student 
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Ulic many of your last comments are really coming acrossed as being condescending to the majority of the people here, including me and I agree with you on a lot of stuff. It really isn't a good way to go about doing stuff, you should know that. Even though most of the people here aren't adults, most are a lot more mature than the average teenager I've seen. Now for Kerry's thing about the bible. He was specifically talking about homosexuality in the bible, not any of the other 10,000 issues you can find condoning and condemning in the bible. He was specifically talking about homosexuality. I've never heard any support for it so I think he's just being the same as Clinton, trying to be vague and please everybody while not taking a firm stance on anything. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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Odan-Wei Belouve - Student 
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Vote for me I'm going for president of the USA !!!  [Edit]Sorry I know this is a serious thread, just wanted to joke a bit  Odan-Wei _______________ Padawan and brother to SmilyKrazy - Adopted in the Belouve Family by Fizz and Bubu, BELOUVE ON! - Vladarion, you'll always be in my heart and memories - Spam-Padawan of Jacen Aratan - [DJ is my beloved wife! - JA Family: Brothers:
Virtue, Furi0us, Vladarion, Hardwired, Janus, Axion, D@RtHM@UL, Motrec, Mike , xAnAtOs , Luke Skywalker; Little bro to SilkMonkey ; Special kind of brother to Kenyon ; Sisters in-law: Rosered, Ain-Soph Aur] Photoshop works: click here This comment was edited by Odan-Wei Belouve on Mar 09 2004 05:40pm. |
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Halendor - Ex-Student 
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First of all, I didn't start this poll to predict the November elections, but to poll the opinion of the members of the Jedi Academy. And sure I know that's mostly young, gaming and living all over the world, but that doesn't matter. Quote: That's like saying "well, we lost the game by 20 points by putting in our star player, but we would have lost by 40 points if we didn't have him." You mean he actually did nothing good? Everything went wrong, but 'it could have been worse without him'? To stick with your metaphor, the star player isn't just a regular player, he's a star player. How does one become a star player? By doing really good stuff. Once you've proven yourself, you're allowed to make a mistake or two. But Mr Bush has not proven himself, and he hasn't proven himself during his own term (you said yourself it was hard to find something he did right), so I'm still not convinced. Quote: "I'm a Christian, I've read the Bible, and I know you can find the clauses that go both ways. I'm not here to argue that with you" -Kerry The bible can be interpreted in a gazillion ways. I bet that if you'd try hard, you would even find some text having a hidden meaning saying God didn't exist This comment was edited by Halendor on Mar 09 2004 04:36pm. |
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Bandit - Student 
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Quote: Oh, and BANDIT.... Look up what the word "most" means. When I say "Most of you do not...." And you fire back that "I do", then YOU don not fall under the MOST. I still feel correct that MOST fall under the categories described. But not all. Maybe "most" and "all" are the same word in whatever language you speak. I just want to be nice and clarify that I meant different with the term "most". I wasn't trying to imply that you were referring to ALL of us as being in the same situation. I was merely pointing out that I met all the criteria that you seemed to point out as worthy of having merit in terms of political worth. You seem to have a predilection for arguing why you shouldn't argue the topic, yet you keep posting. Either we are worth the time, or we aren't. Since I do fall into the category of someone who is a US citizen who votes, has large investments, owns stock, has a successful career (making a good salary), it would seem I am the prime example of someone you should wish to convince. At least you could try your arguments out on me for no other reason than to sharpen and hone your debate tactics. _______________ Part-Time Player (Weekend Warrior). Recipient of the prestigious "Longest-Post-Ever Award" (bestowed on me by Flash on March 23rd, 2004) |
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Lord Exar Kun - Student 
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Ulic, he didnt really say that it sais homosexuality is cool in the bible did he. he only said you can look at some stuff written in there in different ways. I think som1 can find those for you _______________ -Retired april the 19th 2004 |
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Ulic Belouve - Student 
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If you really crack open Bush's stance on gay marriages, you might be surprised as to what his stance really is. I'm not going to do it for you, but actually look at the issue, and what is said. Also, it's difficult to come up with a lot of Pro-Bush things, because you need to prove that things could be worse. Which is hard. The dot-com bubble burst, we had corporate scandals, Sept. 11th happened, we're in war with Iraq, and Bush is the second president of all time to have an overall loss of jobs in his first term. So it's hard to prove that things could be worse if it weren't for Bush. We can't prove something that didn't happen, and can't prove a negative outcome. That's like saying "well, we lost the game by 20 points by putting in our star player, but we would have lost by 40 points if we didn't have him." Tough to prove. It'd be easier if the star player made them WIN all the games, and they would lose without home. Easier to prove, but still may be difficult. And to follow the Kerry and God / Religocity (Note: Religocity is not faith, but will be a big issue in the campaign) I have another quote. This one isn't reworded now. Apparently Kerry feels that you can't spell Bible Without 'bi'. Linked Here Quote: "I'm a Christian, I've read the Bible, and I know you can find the clauses that go both ways. I'm not here to argue that with you."--John Kerry on homosexuality, speaking at a black church in Tougaloo, Miss., quoted in the New York Times, March 8 You know, I should mail him a Bible and ask him to illustrate where it supports homosexuality. Actually, if anyone HERE can find it, the ACTUAL VERSES, let me know. Seems like Kerry is sitting on the fence again. Oh, and BANDIT.... Look up what the word "most" means. When I say "Most of you do not...." And you fire back that "I do", then YOU don not fall under the MOST. I still feel correct that MOST fall under the categories described. But not all. Maybe "most" and "all" are the same word in whatever language you speak. I just want to be nice and clarify that I meant different with the term "most". _______________ Jedi do not fight for peace. That's only a slogan, and is as misleading as slogans always are. Jedi fight for civilization, because only civilization creates peace. |
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Bandit - Student 
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Quote: Most of you do not have career jobs I do. Quote: most of you do not have lerge investments I do. Quote: and most of you don't own any stocks Me again. Quote: Most of you are still under your parents insurance coverage, so your medical benefits come from your parents. Not me. Quote: When things like this become issues for you, then you might see things a lot differently. Like how, exactly? You mean we might vote for a president just because he promises us tax breaks? I'd hope not.. Quote: Youth tend to congregate to largely different issues than adults. Perhaps. But that doesn't mean youth are unable to have opinions on the manner. Quote: And since adults-who-don't-frequent-the-JA make up a bulk of the voting population, I am not worried by the results of the poll here. I don't think anyone seriously entertained the idea that a poll on this forum would serve as a sign from which an accurate prognostication could be made about the election results. It's simply whimsical and entertaining to know what the board members think. Edited to add: BTW, Kerry is winning 20 to 11! _______________ Part-Time Player (Weekend Warrior). Recipient of the prestigious "Longest-Post-Ever Award" (bestowed on me by Flash on March 23rd, 2004) This comment was edited by Bandit on Mar 09 2004 02:57pm. |
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DJ Sith - Jedi Council 
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I don't need to find a quote to prove bush is a homophobe.  He's dumb, but he's not that dumb enough to come out and say it. He is, however, willing to amend discrimination into the constitution. He supports a "don't ask, don't tell" policy for gays in the military. It seems like kind of a "I got no problem with gay people, just keep your fag perversions away from me" kind of thing. Perception is reality. _______________ My car is made of Nerf. |
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Ulic Belouve - Student 
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OK, real quick: One: Commentary on the poll was commentary on the demographics. Which, for the most part, describes a good portion of the people here (Young/ International/ Gamers). So, since we have no way of knowing who votes, we can only assume that the poll is a sample of the JA population, which is Young/ International/ Gamers. We do have adults here, that do vote and are knowlegable, but I simply wished to point out that this poll is not reflective of the American voting public, and hence can't really reflect the November outcome. 2. As for my statement on limited time, etc. I'm not looking for gratitude, but rather trying to explain that I may not have the time to get into long, drawn out discussions. If I were to get into these long discussions, it would be for something I get paid to do. So basically, you guys get whatever free time I have. Not a bulk of my time trying to discuss things with you. And three: I'll put some pro-Bush up here if you so desire. I know I've posted Anti-Kerry, but no Pro-Bush, so I'm not very convincing. I'll try to also put out the real facts as to why people have reason to not like Bush. I'll put a portion facts out on the scale, and you can see how they weigh. I just need to get into both sides, I guess. _______________ Jedi do not fight for peace. That's only a slogan, and is as misleading as slogans always are. Jedi fight for civilization, because only civilization creates peace. |
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Mookie - Ex-Student 
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Quote: Kenyon, I didn't hear him discredit any of the people disagreeing with him. He was talking about the poll. where 20 out of 30 votes at the moment are going towards kerry. I don't see 20 comments from American citizens over the age of 18 disagreeing with Ulic. So his statement isn't false at all. Never did I directly said it was false. If that was the impression, my apologies. There are, however, plenty of adults in this thread disagreeing with him, and I was wondering why he made the comment regarding Halendor's poll. It's only self-serving and not particularly friendly to boot. Quote: Yes most of this poll reflects underaged or EU folk who dont know crap about kerry. I'm a few years older than you, Tallepyon, and I'm from the EU. I think you guys are severely underestimating how much we know about both candidates. If you don't think we're worthy of this discussion, don't reply to the thread. Halendor himself is Dutch, and I see him putting forward some very decent comments. Now, it's not our responsibility, granted. But the elections of a superpower like the United States reflect something on the rest of the world, and we recognize that. As such, I have done my research (hell, back when Bush had his elections, my research was my homework). Do the people here strike you as particularly superficial or unintelligent? I disagree. This comment was edited by Mookie on Mar 08 2004 11:10pm. |
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Tallepyon - Student 
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Yes most of this poll reflects underaged or EU folk who dont know crap about kerry. Dont vote against if you dont know about the other canidate. He could be a communist and half you wouldnt know Learn the facts. Btw: I am 17 now but i will be 18 before election. This comment was edited by Tallepyon on Mar 08 2004 11:06pm. |
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Buzz - Student 
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Quote: You could use the neat "edit" function instead of spamming posts. Also, why do you insist on discrediting our member userbase? Is it a self serving argument? Why the self-justification? Obviously it doesn't serve any other reason.Edit: Also, it might be worthy to note that the people discussing and disagreeing with you here in this thread are mostly adults. Never assume. Discrediting the people who don't see eye to eye with you has been a major mistake in poltical campaigning that's frowned upon by those that would rather see a mature and serious promotion. Don't let yourself be subject to the same mistake. Kenyon, I didn't hear him discredit any of the people disagreeing with him. He was talking about the poll. where 20 out of 30 votes at the moment are going towards kerry. I don't see 20 comments from American citizens over the age of 18 disagreeing with Ulic. So his statement isn't false at all. conservative = all black and white liberal = all grey I think that's right. Those are the two poles of the magnet and most are in the middle. They see some stuff as black and white and other things as grey. And I do agree with Ulic about the anti-Bush stuff. I hear a lot of the rhetoric that you'll hear on television and in the news, but never strict facts. All I've heard about Bush's policy on homosexuals is that he doesn't believe they should be able to get married. If you have any evidence of him actually hating homosexuals then please bring it forward. I've heard Kerry really F up a word too. At least Bush knows he's screws them up and jokes about it. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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Halendor - Ex-Student
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Yeah that money thing is so odd. On the Dutch news they said: "Kerry is going to have a tough time, because Bush has more money to spend on his campaign" So the amount of money is a big factor in who is going to win? That's just sad  |
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Battlin' Billy - Student 
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Just a few points: I can't see how my vote counts if I don't directly vote for someone. Sure, the members of the electoral college take an "oath" to vote for the candidate they say they're going to. However, all politicians take an oath when they get into office and they lie like no one's business! Not all the time, but they still do! Another problem with the "system", is the Two-Party System. True, there are more than just the Republican and Democratic parties, but unless they can spend an ungodly amount of money on a campaign, there is no realistic way that any of these minor parties stand a chance of winning. I recall hearing that Bush is spending $10 million on his campaign. THAT IS SICKENING!!! That's $10 million that could be used to feed starving people (yes, there are some here in the US), combat pollution, etc. (Don't even get me started on filthy rich celebrities). Quote: Conservatives == World is black and white Liberals == Everything is grey So saying that the world is not black and white depends on who you talk to, and where they are on the scale of Conservative-Liberalism. I believe that the truth lies somwhere in the middle. Some things are black and white, while others are grey, regardless of who you talk to. _______________ Midbie Council Member #2 - Profile ID 2073 | Member of B@rtM@ulS@ar | Owner of Monty's 2000th comment & D@RtHM@UL's 8100th comment | Former Padawan of SilkMonkey & Arcuss JA Goaltender & NHL Fan | Fellow Rush fan to Axion|Plo Koon is my oldest JA friend Post your RL pics HERE! | Post you JK2/JK3 screenies HERE! |
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Halendor - Ex-Student
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Quote: I was not the one to reword it, but various sources have reworded it as such. [..]JOURNALISTS ARE WORTHLESS BASTARDS!!! NO BUSINESS DEALING WITH POLITICS, YOU BASTARDS!!! Then why do you use a quote that has been reworded by those worthless bastards? And even if other sources reworded it, it's still not fair to do it. Quote: And like I said before, I'm not going to invest too much time in you guys. OK, we got the message. Please stop trying to make us (or at least me) feel like we have to be ever so grateful for you, the all knowing Republican, to invest some time in us ignorant minors. Quote: [..] there's a quick Anti-Bush, happy? It's not that I'm not happy because you say nothing Anti-Bush, it's because you say nothing Pro-Bush. |
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Mookie - Ex-Student
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You could use the neat "edit" function instead of spamming posts. Also, why do you insist on discrediting our member userbase? Is it a self serving argument? Why the self-justification? Obviously it doesn't serve any other reason. Edit: Also, it might be worthy to note that the people discussing and disagreeing with you here in this thread are mostly adults. Never assume. Discrediting the people who don't see eye to eye with you has been a major mistake in poltical campaigning that's frowned upon by those that would rather see a mature and serious promotion. Don't let yourself be subject to the same mistake. This comment was edited by Mookie on Mar 08 2004 04:42pm. |
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Ulic Belouve - Student
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Oh, ant this is how it is going to work out: Yeah, current poll here has Kerry with 64% of the vote. But, er, yeah, he gets 64% of a group that plays games online, is still mostly young, most of them too young to vote, and a bulk of them not from the country. So Kerry gets the majority of the Too-young-to-vote-or-not-from-this-country-or-apathetic-gamer-community. That'll win the November election. Sure. Most of you do not have career jobs, most of you do not have lerge investments, and most of you don't own any stocks. Most of you are still under your parents insurance coverage, so your medical benefits come from your parents. When things like this become issues for you, then you might see things a lot differently. Youth tend to congregate to largely different issues than adults. And since adults-who-don't-frequent-the-JA make up a bulk of the voting population, I am not worried by the results of the poll here. Oh, and not to mention how erroneous such a JA poll would be. I would not use it as any official basis. That's like the CNN online polls? Who do they poll? People who already have the internet, are always at CNN (concerned with news), and are concerned enough with the issue to cast a vote. Online polls tend to have a strong lack of credibility. So don't use the current poll as a basis for houw things are going to be. _______________ Jedi do not fight for peace. That's only a slogan, and is as misleading as slogans always are. Jedi fight for civilization, because only civilization creates peace. This comment was edited by Ulic Belouve on Mar 08 2004 03:36pm. |
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Ulic Belouve - Student
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Oh, and one last little political note, maybe for Ruuk: Conservatives == World is black and white Liberals == Everything is grey So saying that the world is not black and white depends on who you talk to, and where they are on the scale of Conservative-Liberalism. And you have conservative media and liberal media, which reiterates the point that the media are bastards. Or, at least in America, most are. I go with international stuff, mostly. Or collective media, to where it's a combined revision of the stories out there. I don't read papers, I subscribe to these scholarly journals, academic journals, and I get daily stories from there, that they tend to only cite the noteworthy stories. (The reworded Kerry quote on God came from those collective academic sources. Not me, not some bum with a pen that decided to rewrite this.) Nothing I read in the local Sheboygan Press is going to amount to anything. But, yeah. _______________ Jedi do not fight for peace. That's only a slogan, and is as misleading as slogans always are. Jedi fight for civilization, because only civilization creates peace. This comment was edited by Ulic Belouve on Mar 08 2004 03:25pm. |
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