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Halendor - ex-Student  |
I was just wondering, now it's final that Kerry is going to battle Bush in the elections, who would you vote for, and please tell us why. This post was edited by Halendor on Mar 05 2004 04:38pm. |
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Ulic Belouve - Student 
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OK, to clarify some points: 1. I'm not trying to convince anyone of any direction. If I find decent things against Bush, which I can do and am working on, I'll put that out (like something to do with restructuring disability services). I merely toss out what I can find as well. As for the "I'm not very convincing" I haven't seen many people provide evidence of what they say about Bush. Bush is homophobic? Prove it. Show a quote. I know you'll find something to use, so use it. THIS is what I try to do. Make you THINK, not just call Bush the next Hitler and vote for Kermit the Frog. 2. I work for a Republican, a State Senator, in a minor capacity. So I really don't work for the REPUBLICAN PARTY, but indirectly I kinda do. See my point? I said that I work for the Republican Party just to make it clear what side I am coming from, that I am Republican, and will most likely have that bias in the facts I try to toss out. I tend to hear more things against Kerry than against Bush. But I have heard doses of Anti-Bush stuff, but since no one gives any good references or evidence, I have to look it up for them which slows down the Anti-Bush facts that I could put out. So if THEY call Bush a homophobe, but have no solid evidence, they make ME look into it, and ME, being REPUBLICAN, have a bias towards doing it. It's a little harder to bash the guy you support. But yeah, Republican Party was a statement of where I stand. 3. The rewording of the Kerry quote about God came from some other editorial sources, to where they decided it can be credibly reworded. I was not the one to reword it, but various sources have reworded it as such. In addition, much of the quotes used against any politician are quotes that have been reworded by the press, or taken out of context. So again, for those that never follow my passion, I will make this clear: JOURNALISTS ARE WORTHLESS BASTARDS!!! NO BUSINESS DEALING WITH POLITICS, YOU BASTARDS!!! I think that's all for now. And like I said before, I'm not going to invest too much time in you guys. I'll simply post what I find for other items. And don't trust the media. Again, any one point can be twisted by the media to help and harm the same person. I'm just going with the guy that will NOT be giving more nuclear weapons to North Korea: the guy that can't say 'nuclear' properly. It's NUKE-CLEE-ERR!!! Not NUKE-YOU-LER!!! (<--there's a quick Anti-Bush, happy?) _______________ Jedi do not fight for peace. That's only a slogan, and is as misleading as slogans always are. Jedi fight for civilization, because only civilization creates peace. |
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Bandit - Student 
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Ruuk, all I gotta say to that is, "AMEN!" And that's pretty strong agreement coming from an atheist.  _______________ Part-Time Player (Weekend Warrior). Recipient of the prestigious "Longest-Post-Ever Award" (bestowed on me by Flash on March 23rd, 2004) |
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(Jedi)Obi-JK - Student 
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Not sure how this will really work out but, as of this post the poll is: Bush: 37% Kerry: 63% _______________ Silent Bob (Kevin Smith): You know, there's a million fine looking women in the world, dude. But they don't all bring you lasagna at work. Most of 'em just cheat on you. -Steve (Obi) |
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Lian Del Rey - Student 
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Quote: lian are you following elections at all? Dean was the one who had the temper, and he's been out of it for a while. D'oh! I always get presidential candidates mixed up.  There I edited it  _______________ slorp This comment was edited by Lian Del Rey on Mar 08 2004 05:12am. |
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Ruuk Haviser - Retired 
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Ok, look: Kerry is in an uncomfortable position. A significant portion of the population has a thing against homosexuals, especially homosexual marriage (although most in the USA would not support a Constitutional Amendment banning it). He is, like most politicians, trying to straddle the fence to appeal to the largest number of voters. If he can be a little bit one way, and not supremely irritate those on the other side, he'll go a long way toward picking up votes from those who both support and oppose the issue. Bush, on the other hand, has it a little easier because he thinks everything is black and white: hence, to him North Korea, Iraq, Iran, and Homosexuals = the Axis of Evil. Life is not black and white, however, which is one of about, oh, a million reasons I can't stand the character. I'm done. -rh _______________ Back from the dead... This comment was edited by Ruuk Haviser on Mar 08 2004 03:00am. |
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Fizz of Belouve - Student 
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Who would you vote for? [ ] Bush [ ] Kerry [x] Kermit the Frog  _______________ One of the Belouve boys, founder of the mighty FiZZsters Midbie council #20 - Fizz - #1933 - Jan '03 - Aug '04 "Renfield, you idiot!" |
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Bandit - Student 
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Quote: This stems from the "Don't Ask, Don't Tell", where gay rights activists work to kick the ROTC off campuses because of their opposition to this policy. So in essence, Kerry-who-by-the-way-served-in-Vietnam basically says: I support your fight for equality, but I'm not willing to sacrifice national security for it. So yeah, Kerry-who-by-the-way-served-in-Vietnam seems a bit wishy-washy on supporting gays, by ending their fights against ROTC. This is an issue that I like to bring up sometimes, because a lot of gay activists feel that Kerry-who-by-the-way-served-in-Vietnam is on their side. I don't believe it.. Are you trying really trying to say that gays aren't any better off voting for Kerry than Bush? Do you honestly think one gay person would or should vote for Bush? I think Bush has made his stance on gays pretty clear and it is not a position that will elict a positive response from the gay community on election day. _______________ Part-Time Player (Weekend Warrior). Recipient of the prestigious "Longest-Post-Ever Award" (bestowed on me by Flash on March 23rd, 2004) |
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(Jedi)Obi-JK - Student 
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Sup, Ulic, I can't beleive someone working for the republican party is going to try, to make fun of a Kerry speech, are you kidding me? George W. Bush, making political satirist obsolete since 2000. Serious, remember this speech: Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice wont get fooled again. (The above for people who may not have heard of this saying is: "Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shamge on me."  _______________ Silent Bob (Kevin Smith): You know, there's a million fine looking women in the world, dude. But they don't all bring you lasagna at work. Most of 'em just cheat on you. -Steve (Obi) |
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Buzz - Student 
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lian are you following elections at all? Dean was the one who had the temper, and he's been out of it for a while. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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Bandit - Student
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Anyone is better than Bush. This is my first election since I started voting in '88, that my primary concern was not with who would win, but who would NOT win. I don't care who wins, as long as it isn't Bush. And I voted for Bush last time too...  _______________ Part-Time Player (Weekend Warrior). Recipient of the prestigious "Longest-Post-Ever Award" (bestowed on me by Flash on March 23rd, 2004) |
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Lian Del Rey - Student 
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They are both very very very very very very bad badasses, cuz Bush is st00pid, and that other st00pid guy is st00pid  Yeah They are both very very very very very very bad badasses IMVVVVVVHO. _______________ slorp This comment was edited by Lian Del Rey on Mar 08 2004 05:12am. |
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Jello` - Student 
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I cant vote, and I dont know much about either cantidate (except for Bush's 4 years experience now). I'm with DJ on all his statements about Bush, basically. Oh, and the electoral college, its the number of congresspeople from each state (House + Senate combined) _______________ Brady Brothers: Orion-Greg, Furi0us-Peter, Me-Bobby. Long lost cousin to Flash. Midbie Council #007. Ex-JAK. |
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Bail Hope of Belouve - Student 
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Well, first off: I'm no American, so I can't even begin to describe what to think in these elections. I don't even know half of everything that has transpired in the U.S. I will try to give my opinion, fair and square. And I'm afraid I'm going to side with Ulic and with DJ SITH. Yes, both of them. Ulic has a great point there. if he would allow the Korean government to have Weapons of Mass Destruction, then sure, we can expect a bomb sooner or later. (this last was MY opinion). So if he is going to allow the North Koreans to have WMD, then I say 'screw him' However, From all I've heard of Bush, and I've heard little of all there is to be heard, I can't say he's got a positive image. And because of all the things I've heard, I'm inclined to vote for the other guy, can't remember his name right now. The one who fought in Vietnam. you know In any way: Thank God I don't live in America and thank God I'm not old enough to vote _______________ Visit the Belouve Family Website! Quote: I try to have fun with my friends and try to make a difference as best I can. What does making a difference mean? Well, it can be as simple as saying hello, answering a question that seems obvious or heck, just talking. -- Vladarion
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Mookie - Ex-Student 
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I have to agree with DJ Sith and Halendor here. You're not awfully convincing, Ulic. |
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Halendor - Ex-Student 
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I think Kerry tried to say God is on everybodies side, and that He is not only there for America. By the way, I don't think yu can 'reword' something and then put someone's name under it, as if it were a quote, which it isn't. About the ads, the Vietnam war is a long time ago, and so people were given the time to mourn and 'get back on track'. When this process is over, it is accepted to be 'abused' by commerce and politics. Vietnam games, vietnam movies, vietnam toys, you name it. It think Bush made a bad move by using those images only three years after the disaster. And instead of telling us how bad Kerry is, why don't you write why Bush is good? Because if I read your posts, I could think 'Sure, Kerry is bad, but Bush is probably even worse' |
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DJ Sith - Jedi Council 
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Screw both candidates. I don't care how much you campaign, ulic. George Bush is a raving, homophobic, violent, close minded idiot. I don't know Kerry enough to bitch at him yet. Democrat or republican doesn't matter. It's just two ends of the same stick they use to beat the sh!t out of you. _______________ My car is made of Nerf. |
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Ulic Belouve - Student
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Oh, and THIS JUST IN! John Kerry-who-by-the-way-served-in-Vietnam has picked up an endorsement of sorts, from Kim Jong Il, the lunatic communist dictator of North Korea, the Financial Times reports: Quote: In the past few weeks, speeches by the Massachusetts senator have been broadcast on Radio Pyongyang and reported in glowing terms by the Korea Central News Agency (KCNA), the official mouthpiece of Mr. Kim's communist regime. . . . Rather than dealing with President George W. Bush and hawkish officials in his administration, Pyongyang seems to hope victory for the Democratic candidate on November 2 would lead to a softening in US policy towards the country's nuclear weapons programme. So, North Korea would like to have Kerry-who-by-the-way-served-in-Vietnam win the presidency, so that they have a better chance of retaining/developing nuclear weapons. I might not have any clue what is going on in Iraq (yeah, right), but don't we all dislike Weapons of Mass Destruction? So where are the WMD hidden? (As many Anti-Bush voters ask) They are hidden in the potential Kerry-who-by-the-way-served-in-Vietnam administration. Oh well, things could be worse for Kerry-who-by-the-way-served-in-Vietnam. At least Al Gore hasn't endorsed him. Oh, and with the new Bush ads. It seems odd that Kerry-who-by-the-way-served-in-Vietnam is criticizing Bush, saying that Bush should not use the images or thought of a war to promote his campaign. Sure, I agree with you, Mr. Kerry-who-by-the-way-served-in-Vietnam _______________ Jedi do not fight for peace. That's only a slogan, and is as misleading as slogans always are. Jedi fight for civilization, because only civilization creates peace. |
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Ulic Belouve - Student 
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With the thought that your vote doesn't count, you are right that the electoral college takes into account the preferences of the voters. But they do not know exactly how the popular vote of the state is going to go. They merely go off of what is voiced by their constituents. Hene, voice your opinion to your reps, senators, etc. The vote ON ELECTION DAY does not really effect the electoral college. Most of those votes have been decided by the constituents who voice their stance. As for the ties in the electoral college, I need to make a clarification. It's not as much a tie as it is a lack of majority (which can happen with 3 candidates, such as Nader entering the race). So then (and I looked it up), it goes to the House of Representatives, and they get one voe each state. But do still vote, as the ballots contain such people as your governor, senators, and represnetatives. The governor still needs to be approved by the Senate, I believe. The governor appoints judges abd exercises other local influence, so it might be in everyone's interest to vote on these issues. As for Kerry-who-by-the-way-served-in-Vietnam, it's interesting to note one position: Quote: In a Kerry Administration, no university that receives federal aid will be allowed to ban the ROTC from their campus, except for religious reasons. ---A New Army of Patriots: John Kerry's Plan to Enlist Citizens in the Cause of a Safer, Stronger, and More Secure America This stems from the "Don't Ask, Don't Tell", where gay rights activists work to kick the ROTC off campuses because of their opposition to this policy. So in essence, Kerry-who-by-the-way-served-in-Vietnam basically says: I support your fight for equality, but I'm not willing to sacrifice national security for it. So yeah, Kerry-who-by-the-way-served-in-Vietnam seems a bit wishy-washy on supporting gays, by ending their fights against ROTC. This is an issue that I like to bring up sometimes, because a lot of gay activists feel that Kerry-who-by-the-way-served-in-Vietnam is on their side. Really, Kerry-who-by-the-way-served-in-Vietnam is for and against EVERYBODY and EVERYTHING. I'll show more of his dichotomous nature later. Well, another point. In New York, Kerry-who-by-the-way-served-in-Vietnam was asked: Quote: Really quick, is God on America's side? To which Kerry-who-by-the-way-served-in-Vietnam replied (in great oratorical skill): Quote: Well, God will--look, I think--I believe in God, but I don't believe, the way President Bush does, in invoking it all the time in that way. I think it is--we pray that God is on our side, and we pray hard. And God has been on our side through most of our existence. This can be reworded as: Quote: "We pray that God is on our side, and we pray hard. And God has been on our side through most of our existence."--Kerry So then, when was God NOT on our side? Perhaps, as Kerry often feels, during the Vietnam War? The same war that Kerry-who-by-the-way-served-in-Vietnam accused American soldiers of committing all manner of brutal war crimes (he now denies having made such accusations, though they are a matter of public record). So if God was NOT on America's side in Vietnam, then that would mean that, acoording toKerry-who-by-the-way-served-in-Vietnam, God was on the side of the of the triumph of atheistic communism. Interesting, eh? _______________ Jedi do not fight for peace. That's only a slogan, and is as misleading as slogans always are. Jedi fight for civilization, because only civilization creates peace. |
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Buzz - Student
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For the electoral college each state gets as many votes as they have representatives plus senators. And in most states the way it goes is that whoever gets the most votes will get all of that states electoral votes. And for the people saying "my vote doesn't count" Have you forgotten Florida? If you say your vote doesn't count and then your state chooses the one you didn't want to win by one vote and that gives him enough electoral votes to win altogether, well then you have no room to complain about the things that will happen for the next 2,4,6 years because you decided you didn't matter. *edit* And I don't think there is much concern in tieing. I'm pretty sure there is an uneven number of votes in the electoral college, so unless an independent party member starts taking states there won't be a tie. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. This comment was edited by Buzz on Mar 06 2004 11:12pm. |
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Moridin - Student 
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Sure, the media just likes to make it look like Bush stole the election, but look at the Electoral College like this: New York has a larger population than, say, New jersey, so they get more electoral college votes. But then let's say that 5 smaller states gave Bush the majority, but only by a slim margin. In new york Kerry wins by a landslide. Now, these 5 small states, though they have less electoral votes, beat New york because Bush won tehm all. So, even if more of the population voted for Kerry, they were all in New york. It's all about winning states. And this is really the only fair way to do it. Otherwise, the larger states, like California, Texas, and the like, would rule who became president. Normally States swing the same way year after year, so they would decide - states like tennessee or New jersey wouldn't have a say. That's why people are mistaken when they say that Bush stole anything, or that the popular vote really means anything. And Ulic, your vote does count, even in the Presedential election. Electoral voters (those who actually cast the vote) have taken oaths to cast their choice by the popular vote of their state. So when the populous of Tennessee, Rhode Island, etc. decides that they want whoever, the votes go that direction. There is no formality to it. However, the end result of the popular vote is a formality, because some states are larger than others - California may have a ton of votes for Kerry, but they still only get their appointed electorals. _______________ Bros. with Janus, Leif, Motrec, Aiden, 3th, Zertz, Kenyon, and Vladarion. b00m! Banana Brother to Garos This comment was edited by Moridin on Mar 06 2004 11:06pm. |
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Halendor - Ex-Student
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Ulic Belouve, oh mighty all-knowing person, please lend us some of your precious time and inform us young stupid Europeans. |
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Ulic Belouve - Student
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Oh, and the electoral college, yeah, they decide the votes. You guys don't count, just a formality. So, five times the electoral college doesn't agree with the popular vote, and the less popular guy wins. Oh, and guess what will REALLY cook you. What happens if the Electoral college ties? It goes to the Senate (or maybe the House, I'll look it up.) Each state gets ONE VOTE. Yep. California is now as important as Rhode Island. Oh, you better believe there'd be riots if it came to one vote per state. Fun. I'll crack open what I know of the election process, but yeah, the popular vote is a formality, really. But, go vote nonetheless, since a lot of times you also vote for state and local stuff. And there, your vote DOES count. And state and local stuff will affect you more directly. Also, in the meantime, track down the source of whatever issues you have. A lot of times the fault lies withing the STATE legislature. Not the president. Yes, everything boils down to the local level, but still. Like the gas prices. Due to instability in Venezuela. But it gets even higher because of STATE taxes. So don't think it's because of the war in Iraq that the prices are high, and blame the President. I'll come up with more, and some stuff to go against Kerry-who-by-the-way-served-in-Vietnam. _______________ Jedi do not fight for peace. That's only a slogan, and is as misleading as slogans always are. Jedi fight for civilization, because only civilization creates peace. |
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Tallepyon - Student 
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wth kerry is a moron. If he does all the crap he says he is. The US will be in a depression. He wants to spend a lot of money. Even bush is smarter than him. |
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Orion - Retired 
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Quote: is it true that, like billy said, your vote doesnt count? My history teacher said that the main thing is done by the electoral college (or something). She also said that several times presidants have lost the popularity vote, but won by the college people. Then again, she barks, and plays with McDonnalds happy meal toys (im serious) EDIT: but oh yeah, about the presidants, i dont know, im only 13 You teacher is correct, each state has x number of Electoral College votes, based on population, correct me if I am wrong, its been awhile since i had a Civics class, just how the number of House of Representivies members each states has. I also remember hearing of a few presidents loosing the Popularity vote and still won. _______________ When a Man lies he murder's some part of the world. These are the pale deaths which men misscall there lives. All this I cannot bear to witness any longer. Cannot the kingdom of salvation take me home? -Cliff Burton Owner of Smily's 1900th comment | <Lady_Catherine> i love your sexy white socks! | (Lady_Catherine) i adore u! | (Lady_Catherine) onion (Lady_Catherine) i lub u This comment was edited by Orion on Mar 06 2004 10:49pm. |
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Ulic Belouve - Student
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Hehe. As just about the only one here with a BA Degree in Political Science, I will not give you my full commentary. We'd be here a while. I might give something later on, since I have a lot of ammo against Kerry-who-by-the-way-served-in-Vietnam and the democrats. Oh, and there's even a lot of Democrats that don't want Kerry-who-by-the-way-served-in-Vietnam to win. Why? Hilary wants to run in 2008. If Kerry-who-by-the-way-served-in-Vietnam wins, Hilary can't do that. I might gather up some bullet-points on things to talk about. But, er, no offense, but you guys aren't really the bulk voters. I'll be working for the Republican Party, so I'll have to talk to others more than talk to you. Not that you aren't worth my time, but, yeah, a lot of you are young or outside the US. I'll make a bulletpoint thing in time. And I'll stay objective. Give you the points, and you decide. You still like Kerry-who-by-the-way-served-in-Vietnam after my points? Fine. But at least you have some more knowledge. That's all I want, is INFORMED VOTERS. Not these "Bush has us in a war, so I hate him" voters. Yeah. So, er, yeah. That was my BRIEF commentary. Feh. _______________ Jedi do not fight for peace. That's only a slogan, and is as misleading as slogans always are. Jedi fight for civilization, because only civilization creates peace. This comment was edited by Ulic Belouve on Mar 06 2004 10:55pm. |
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