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Battlin' Billy - Student  |
I'm not sure how comfortable everyone is with talking about this subject. So, before I post any opinions, is everyone cool with discussing this? It's quite an issue here in the US right now. In the past, we've been able to discuss controvertial subjects without it getting out of hand. So, does anyone mind discussing this? _______________ Midbie Council Member #2 - Profile ID 2073 | Member of B@rtM@ulS@ar | Owner of Monty's 2000th comment & D@RtHM@UL's 8100th comment | Former Padawan of SilkMonkey & Arcuss JA Goaltender & NHL Fan | Fellow Rush fan to Axion|Plo Koon is my oldest JA friend Post your RL pics HERE! | Post you JK2/JK3 screenies HERE! |
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Kueller - Student 
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Quote: The bible says to kill everybody who dont beleave in God like christs do. Do that give you the right to kill other ppl? There are great wars becouse "the bible says..." or "the coran says ...". I dont think it's good to argument with bible laws. That would be as right as it was in the middle age where they burned hexes becouse somebody says they have relations with the devil. Totally agree with this Daid  I believe in the esoteric. And the view I have about it is that if two souls are deeply in love with eachother they should have the chance to seal that bond. I think that forbidding this marriage will cause this ppl to feel deep pain, I don't get it, America claims it's a free country for religion and for equal rights, and yet they discriminate the homosexual ppl, I for one don't get it. And about the part where ppl don't understand Holland bans guns etc, and allow Gay marriage. It's just the point I make, we don't want to be discriminating ppl or cap them in their own personal freedom. Gay marriage has NOTHING to do with drugs or guns, it's about love, just like heterosexual marriage. _______________ Personal sleepness-nights-supporter of Virtue. Owner of the 1000th comment of Daidalus and 1943th comment of Gradius! Owner of the 300th comment of Carda! -Taught Gradius all his laming skills 
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Nero - Student 
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Well I think it's really hard to determine if it is alowed or not. Before you can even start thinking of it you must determine if we are talking about the political aspect of it or about the religious aspect of it. I think that politics are not alowed to involve in matters like this. They can make laws yes, but they should count for all people as 'logical' and should be involved with crime instead of people who love each other and want to show that. A religion is alowed to involve in such matters, it's just what they think and if you do not agree with it, then you don't. No-one is going to blame you for it. If you are gay and you want to marry then just accept that your religious group does not support your thinking. What I'm trying to say is that politics should not involve in such matters, but I think a religious group has the right to disagree with it. (so gay people are alowed to marry in a non-religious way) _______________ -Nero Quote: Curious, Smartass, what else? |
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Ulic |retired| - Student 
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Strictly speaking it should be impossible for a president in trias politica system to begin and end his speeches religious. _______________ Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam |
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Halendor - Ex-Student 
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Quote: Although the US claim to be THE democratic and modern state, it knows no strict separation of church and state and is therefore obviously not. I think the USA have seperated Church and state. The Church has nothing to say about how to run the state in a direct way. Realistically, that is about as much seperation as you can get. Indirectly the Church is of course influencing the state's policy, because the people who run it go to Church, and take the words of their preacher (?) back to their work. You can't stop this unless you force everyone to stop believing, which is as discriminating as not letting gay people get married  |
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JamesF1 - Student 
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Quote: interesting view.. so your saying is a couple is unable to concieve a baby. they shouldn't marry.. I said if it CAN'T not if it DOESN'T  If you get what I mean. No, you all misunderstand me. I mean, man+woman CAN produce children (although, in some cases they don't WANT to, or there is a problem). man+man or woman+woman cannot produce children at all - its not possible. I'm not just talking about marriages here - I'm talking about the whole ethic of gay and lesbian relationships. I think its wrong anyway. What if the woman/man can't? _______________ Website |
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Halendor - Ex-Student
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Quote: a state encourages people to have kids, because thats what keeps a state/country w/e alive. marrige is the subject to that. u get some lower taxes and other benefits. that does not apply to same sex marriage. if its for religious marriage ceremonial, yes, im all for it. but the official law-wise same sex marriage, no. What about the one-child policy in China? What about enormous amounts of money pumped into projects to educate people about birth control? And your saying because you're gay, you're not allowed to have the same benefits as straight people. That doesn't seem fair to me. |
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Ulic |retired| - Student
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'modern', 'democratic' states should follow the guidelines of the trias politica by Montesquieu. Separation of the powers, and VERY important, separation of the State and the Church. Of course you can follow eg the Bible in certain matters and involve religion in politic parties. However, I think a 2000 year old book could be used as inspiration, not as rulebook. Religious parties are ok, and religious thoughts are ok, as long as they don't interrupt the humanrights, and the constitution. Although the US claim to be THE democratic and modern state, it knows no strict separation of church and state and is therefore obviously not. _______________ Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam |
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Bail Hope of Belouve - Student 
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and you put spaces in between those words because: a) The site won't let you post a sentence with Jacen and the words is right in one sentence b) You didn't notice it C) No inspiration for c _______________ Visit the Belouve Family Website! Quote: I try to have fun with my friends and try to make a difference as best I can. What does making a difference mean? Well, it can be as simple as saying hello, answering a question that seems obvious or heck, just talking. -- Vladarion
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SedNox - Student 
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jacen is r i g h t ! ! ! _______________ -Evil Clown- "We interrupt this program to increase dramatic tension." Echuu's 1200th comment, D@RtH N00B's 10850th comment, Redeye's 100th and 150th comment. |
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VirusD - Student 
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i dont care about it really 2. but i still think marrege should be between women and a man. IF some men claim that they love each other then who cares live but dont get merried. _______________ '** I hated going to weddings. All the grandmas would poke me saying "You're next". They stopped that when I started doing it to them at funerals.**' '**On going to war over religion: "You're basically killing each other to see who's got the better imaginary friend.**" '**I Dont Lie! I Just Bend And Illustrate The Truth A Little**' - By me when talking to a friend. |
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Bail Hope of Belouve - Student 
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well, I don't think babies/children w/e should hold a couple back of marrying. if my girlfriend wouldn't be able to conceive children, I'd still marry her Such a thing is about love, and caring. Not about being able to have babies, or not to have babies. I do still agree with what Jacen said a few posts earlier. _______________ Visit the Belouve Family Website! Quote: I try to have fun with my friends and try to make a difference as best I can. What does making a difference mean? Well, it can be as simple as saying hello, answering a question that seems obvious or heck, just talking. -- Vladarion
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Jacen Aratan - Student |
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Quote: interesting view.. so your saying is a couple is unable to concieve a baby. they shouldn't marry.. I said if it CAN'T not if it DOESN'T If you get what I mean. What if the woman/man can't? |
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JamesF1 - Student
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Quote: interesting view.. so your saying is a couple is unable to concieve a baby. they shouldn't marry.. I said if it CAN'T not if it DOESN'T If you get what I mean. _______________ Website |
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Katan - Student 
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I very much so agree with what Aratan said, trying to have a book determine YOUR life is fine, but dont use it to determine other's paths, when they dont use that book. I'm fine with same sex marrige's, its all about love, if two guys love each other, hell, get married, I dont give a 5h!7. Its THEIR choice to make not ours. I also agree with what Fizz said, don't make them married in the same sense as regular marriges within the law. Basically, if they leave me out of it, I'm fine with it _______________ |
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Axion - Student 
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yea good point.. they obvioulsy wouldn't be happy.. _______________ Axion - Yeah. |
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Bail Hope of Belouve - Student
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As far as the adoption go, I totally agree with Jacen. This kid will get ridiculed, bullied, among others. Not to mention there are teachers out there who can't stand this kind of thing. Imagine the kid's life. _______________ Visit the Belouve Family Website! Quote: I try to have fun with my friends and try to make a difference as best I can. What does making a difference mean? Well, it can be as simple as saying hello, answering a question that seems obvious or heck, just talking. -- Vladarion
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Jacen Aratan - Student |
I couldn't care less whether homosexual people marry or not. That's their case, if they want to, sure, if they don't, fine with me again. I care as little about their marriages as I do when it comes to random hetero people's marriage. When it comes to adoption, then I'm a bit sceptical, though. Not because I doubt they'd make fine parents or anything like that. Only because I don't think the child will enjoy going to school when he/she has two dads. EDIT: As for the religious stuff.... please, guys, do you want a book to be in charge of other people's lives? Sure, if you want the Bible to guide your life, feel free to do so. But don't let it guide other's life. Especially not if they don't even follow same religion. This comment was edited by Jacen Aratan on Mar 06 2004 01:18pm. |
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Axion - Student 
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Quote: My View (outside of Christianity): As I always say, "If it can't produce kids - its wrong." err gay couples can adopt kids.. don't forget that.. _______________ Axion - Yeah. |
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Bail Hope of Belouve - Student
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Well, I'm not forward it, but I'm also not against it. Sure, sometimes, when I see two guys kissing on the street, I just turn away. But I'm not against it at all. If you love eachother, then you love eachother. Can't help that, now can you? Sure, it's weird, and some may find it disgusting, but think about it... You're dealing with people's lives here. Not just some ordinary tool which needs fixing. Sure, there are lots of gay jokes and stuff like that, and I laugh when I hear them, but I also know that these guys don't behave like those jokes at all. I even got some friends who are gay, and if you didn't know it, you wouldn't see it. Those people have a right to get married, if they want to, and I won't stand against it. _______________ Visit the Belouve Family Website! Quote: I try to have fun with my friends and try to make a difference as best I can. What does making a difference mean? Well, it can be as simple as saying hello, answering a question that seems obvious or heck, just talking. -- Vladarion
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Daidalus[JAP] Fisto - Student ![Daidalus[JAP] Fisto](/image_thumbnail.php?f_type=users&f_width=49&f_height=70&f_image=3482.jpg&f_odd=1){kind=small}
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The bible says to kill everybody who dont beleave in God like christs do. Do that give you the right to kill other ppl? There are great wars becouse "the bible says..." or "the coran says ...". I dont think it's good to argument with bible laws. That would be as right as it was in the middle age where they burned hexes becouse somebody says they have relations with the devil. My oppinion is that gays or lesbians just were born in the wrong body. You cant punish them for their unlucky. greetings, daid _______________ Founder of the Fisto Family -|- Member of the mighty FiZZsters!! -|- Owner of the second Bail prize for "BAIL RULES!!" -|- I'll never forget you Jaina! -|- Owner of the one and only autograph of Smily -|- SMILY RULES -|- Owner of the 1000th Comment of the great Kueller -|- Big brother to NarCosT Fisto, and ShadowFax . -|- Proud Padawan of Kueller -|-Sir Daidalus Fisto. Official Historian of Nippledom and server to Menaxia, Queen of Nippledom Quote: fiZZe: "gdamubububugmgmgububugrrrrrdsa?"
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Dicemaster - Student 
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/me thinks its f'd up that the netherlands let gay men get married, but they all hate guns, and hunting... in my opionion, its morally wrong. I don't believe its right in anyway, and i don't believe it should be legal. However, i don't have a problem with homosexual people, so if someones gay i don't hate them, i think the action is wrong, not the people -Dice _______________ Dicemaster |
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Fizz of Belouve - Student 
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a state encourages people to have kids, because thats what keeps a state/country w/e alive. marrige is the subject to that. u get some lower taxes and other benefits. that does not apply to same sex marriage. if its for religious marriage ceremonial, yes, im all for it. but the official law-wise same sex marriage, no. _______________ One of the Belouve boys, founder of the mighty FiZZsters Midbie council #20 - Fizz - #1933 - Jan '03 - Aug '04 "Renfield, you idiot!" |
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Zoro Kakashi - Ex-Student 
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disagree with the idea of such arrangement greatly _______________ "When did Noah built the Arc, before the rain, before the rain." |
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VIPER or BlaCk - Student |
I personally do not agree with same sex marriages, because I am a devoted catholic, and cant stand to watch two guys, or girls for that matter kiss and get all touchy feely. But on the other hand, they do have a right to get married, after all.... we live in AMERICA dont we?? well most of us! _______________ Some say VIPER is just a LEGEND............but my friend........he is a REALITY |
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DJ Sith - Jedi Council 
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I don't mind conversation on it so long as no flames go out. I think that marriage is meant for two people who love each other enough to spend the rest of their lives together, whether they are of the same gender or not. The government has no right to add a discriminatory clause to the constitution. _______________ My car is made of Nerf. |
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