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Alright guys and gals, tell me everything you know about Rome, gladiators, famous quotes and people, etc... Try and be serious please. _______________ -ShadowSith: CTF/gunner specialist. |
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Khâ D'Kana - Student 
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Ok, I think we are not understanding the name slave with the same signification. So I will just post the two following links for those who are really thinking that they were real slaves in Egypt (as real slave I will say people that don't have civil rights and cannot earn money). https://listhost.uchicago.edu/pipermail/ane/2003-November/011111.html http://nefertiti.iwebland.com/timelines/topics/slavery.htm I hope this will avoid all missunderstanding, because it looks like we've simply different nuance perception. Those links are in english, so I'm sure that the problem is not my bad english  _______________ In light of day, nor dark of night, no evil shall escape our sight. Proud member of the D'Kana family |
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Ulic |retired| - Student 
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Have you read my post about the fall of the republic? It quickly goes through that century. _______________ Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam |
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Ash - Eats Babies 
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im sick of rome. i only got 3 hours of sleep last night because i had to write a paper on the fall of the roman republic for my roman civilizations class. with all the stress this class is giving me im glad rome fell. stupid rome. _______________ "We keep odd hours...." ----------------------- They Live, We Sleep |
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JavaGuy - Student 
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Slaves who were skilled laborers have always enjoyed a much different standard of living than unskilled labor. This is universal and would have held up in ancient Egypt as well. Check out Thomas Sowell's Race and Culture for a fascinating analysis of this. Among other things, he cites the story of a real slave who captained a boat on the Mississippi. He had free white men under his command, and they had to obey his orders. He probably enjoyed a better material standard of living than many free whites, even many skilled craftsmen, but at the end of the day he was still a slave to the ship's owner. Slavery has never been as simple as they make it sound in school. Something else they don't talk about much in the schools is that some slaves in America lived on their own and worked jobs. They simply had to give their masters a certain percentage of their earnings. They would have had a certain number of material goodies one wouldn't associate with the stereotype of slavery, but they lived in bondage nonetheless. Again, real slavery was (and is, in places like Sudan) more complicated than the a typical history text makes it out to be. Back to the topic, I seem to recall a term "subslave," which referred to a slave in ancient Rome who belonged to another slave, so obviously their system was quite convoluted as well. While writing this post I Googled the term to see if I could find you a reference. Unfortunately you don't want to see what I got when I Googled "subslave."  Let's just say it didn't have anything to do with the study of Roman history (adding words like "Rome" and "Roman" to my search string didn't help)._______________ My signature is only one line. You're welcome. |
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n00b - Student 
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Julius Cheeser is from WI. _______________ Gone but hopefully not forgotten... |
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Lord Exar Kun - Student 
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likewise it should also be Julius Kaesar, at least in pronounciation  . _______________ -Retired april the 19th 2004 |
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Ulic |retired| - Student 
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it's veni vidi vici, the c being pronounced as k cicero should likewise be pronounced as kikero i know it might sound awkward _______________ Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam |
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R!øT - Student 
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or there's also Panem et Circenses Bread and games.....The roman emperors wanted to gained the confidencde of the ppl by offering them bread daily to fill their stomach and gladitors game to keep them from critizicing the empire.... |
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R!øT - Student 
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Mine I don't know how to traslate it in english but in french it's: Le sort en est jeté. Meaning like its too late the end is already decided.....love it |
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Axion - Student 
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Veni Vidi Vicchi! - I came, I saw, I conquered.: Julius Ceaser _______________ Axion - Yeah. |
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Odan-Wei Belouve - Student 
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There is a sentence the gladiators used to say before fighting, in front of the emperor: "Ave Caesar! morituri te salutant!" which can be roughly translated as "Greetings Emperor (  ) those who will die salute you!" Odan-Wei _______________ Padawan and brother to SmilyKrazy - Adopted in the Belouve Family by Fizz and Bubu, BELOUVE ON! - Vladarion, you'll always be in my heart and memories - Spam-Padawan of Jacen Aratan - [DJ is my beloved wife! - JA Family: Brothers:
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R!øT - Student
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Alea jacta est!!! |
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Ulic |retired| - Student
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I believe there really was an exodus, like there was a great flood in the time of Noa. There are more sources than the bible confirming this. _______________ Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam |
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Jacen Aratan - Student |
Yeah, but Akhenaton was a newb. Didn't know how to run a country. |
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Khâ D'Kana - Student
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Woaw, it seems my post had the effect I was hoping about. It opens a dialog on Egypt. In fact, I've not really the time now to write detailed answer to all arguments. But if you search a little bit about, you will see that in no way Egyptian slaves were similar to Greek and Roman slaves. For example, people who built the pyramides weren't slaves. We discovered around them some workers villages. In almost all houses, some expensive objects were found. This objects were simply too expensive for slaves, even for farmers. It seems like the Pharao took everytime the best workers to build their pyramide and give them what they needed to live well. The first real slaves in Egypt were introduced lately by the Ptolomee Dynasty. And don’t forget that Ptolomee were Greek For Moses and Hebrews, I will not create a religious war... In fact the holly bible is not an historical book, it’s about spirituality. I believe that the world was created by the Big Bang and so not in seven days. The bible will not give us physically what has been gone. So please, don’t take reference on it. If you read books history, you will see what was the problem for Ramses. The Hebrews were good workers and the economy did need them. At the same time almost all of them decided to quit the land it looks like an economical cataclysm. Imagine if now all people working in a same craft were quitting a land, what will make the government ? They must make something. So Ramses tried something. Finally, don’t forget that when the bible say they were slaves. It’s right, they were slaves from a land where nobody was believing in the true God (Except during the short time of Pharao Akhenaton). I hope this explication could a little bit more define my point of vue. Sorry for my english... _______________ In light of day, nor dark of night, no evil shall escape our sight. Proud member of the D'Kana family |
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Ulic |retired| - Student
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I agree, the best arguments are those pointy things in the sand. _______________ Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam |
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Jacen Aratan - Student |
True, Ulic. But I still don't believe 'Moses and the Hebrews' is a good counter-argument for people sainyg 'Egyptians didn't have slaves', imho. |
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Ulic |retired| - Student
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The Egyptians DID have slaves, and used them to build monuments, and mainly to just serve in the household. Every civilisation in that time knew the concept of slavery, especialy an aggressive civilisation like Egypt would have known it. There was an exodus during the reign of Tutankhamun. And joseph (the one with the amazing techicolour dreamcoat) was called Yusuf, and was a high official. _______________ Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam |
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D@RtHM@UL - Student 
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I saw Gladiator, it pwned! |
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Jacen Aratan - Student |
Quote: The Egyptians didn't have slaves? Then how where the piramides built, and why did Moses lead the Hebrews away. Farmers could've built them, during the flooding of the delta. I'm not rejecting that they probably had some slaves, or at least prisoners, but I think some historians exaggerate. As for Moses, read below. Quote: *COUGH*COUGH* Eguptions not having slaves? your joking right? what about the whole story of moses and his people being enslaved by egyptions. moses and his people! Never been proven.... it says they did that in a book, made many years later. The Egyptians certainly didn't record it. Though I remember seeing somewhere that on a stone, possibly that stone beginning with an R (long time since I've examined anything about Egypt, sorry :/), saying 'all the tribes of Israel are exterminated', from around the time stated in the bible. But again, you cannot count on the bible for historical evidence. It's too biased, sorry. |
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Ulic |retired| - Student
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One must understand that the Roman Empire lasted for several centuries, the West Empire that is. Although the old Roman values and traditions declined in the 1st century BC the Romans had a very good sense of values like virtus. The most interesting period in Roman history is in my eyes the 1st century BC. In that time, the Republic, that had been a very solid government was transformed in the Empire. There were two civil wars. The first was the one between Marius, a war heroe that had been revoted consul several times (Machiavelli believes that's were it went wrong) and Sulla, his previous officer. The concept of civilwar on the scale that was now unleashed was rather new to the Romans. An unstable period began, the power of the Senate was increasingly controlled by noblemen and officers, who had bought some senators. The power of the tribunes, representatives of the people, had increased immensly because several tribunes recruited their personal armies and fought each other, terrorizing the forum. In the second half of the 1st century BC a triumvirate, group of three men, was created. It consisted of Julius Caesar, a renowned general who had expanded the empire, Pompeius, a self proclaimed general who had made friends with the senate, and to bring these men together Crassus, the Bill Gates of that time, owning half of Rome. Oldbie senators like Cicero and Cato tried to stop the developments but the triumvirate was uberpwning. Untill Crassus died. Pompeius and Caesar became enemies and fought eachother for the power of Rome. Previously, Pompeius had sent Caesar to Gallia (Gaul) to conquer it, expecting the ferocious Gauls to kill him (no offence Odan ), leaving Pompeius the power.The unexpected happened, Caesar conquered Gaul, except a small village in the north-east , making himself immensly popular by the people in Rome, and what's more important, by his soldiers.You see, Marius, the great general, had reformed the Roman army when he was consul. One of the most important things he did was creating the standing army. The soldiers were now paid and treated like employees, people became soldier as a profession. One of the effects of this was, that the soldiers became more loyal to their commander, who wrote the paychecks, than to Rome. There Caesar came, he returned to Rome to prevent Pompeius from taking control. The senate however, who had no choice but to support Pompeius, forbid him to enter Italy with his army, an ancient and holy law. Caesar knew that he'd could do nothing without his soldiers, and that they would follow him to the death. So he crossed, inspired by a dream, the Rubicon, borderriver of Italy saying the famous and already mentioned words. Alea iacta est, indeed meaning, it's out of my hands, we can't go back. Pompeius fled, as did the Senate. Quite shocking events for Rome. After several wanderings through the entire Mediterranean region, Pompeius flees to Egypt, where the king, Ptolemaeus XIV tries to secure his position by sending his head to Caesar. Caesar is not pleased. Then all there is left to do is eliminate the remaining senators. Cato, princeps senatus, leader of the senate takes the lead but gives the military power to Quintus Caecilius Scipio. It is at Thapsus, where the great decisive battle took place. The most cruel battle in the civil war. 50 000 republicans went pushing up the daisies. Caesar lost 50 men. Clear Pwnage Cato, in the city Utica arranges the evacuation and after that commits suicide. Minutes later Caesar was at the scene and found him, bading in his own blood, his guts more out than in. Caesar, who wants to prevent Cato becoming a martyr and has great respect for the legendary senator sends for doctors. But when the doctor tries to put his guts where they belong, Cato delivers Caesar the heaviest blow of the entire war. He pushes the doctor away, opens his wound with his own hands and rips his guts to pieces, and dies. Caesar: O Cato, begrudge you this death, for you have begrudged me your life. Touching eh? _______________ Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam |
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Plo Koon - Student 
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*COUGH*COUGH* Eguptions not having slaves? your joking right? what about the whole story of moses and his people being enslaved by egyptions. moses and his people! _______________ Free Tibet! Click this link,and learn Here too This comment was edited by Plo Koon on Mar 17 2004 09:54am. |
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Eternal_Silence - Ex-Student 
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The dice has been thrown means the decision has been made?? I don't think so ... I could be wrong but i think it means rather It's out of my hands or the decision is now not up to you. But back to Rome - yes the Greeks first had running water and plumbing, but they never had aqueducts. Rome was the first civilisation to unleash the potential of the arch and the dome - aqueducts are distinguished by their arches so while the Greeks may have had a similar design (i dont know) they cannot be called aqueducts. Augustus was the first true Roman Emperor (born sept 23 my birthday w00t) and when i say True and even Emperor it's a bit sketchy. One historical argument would identify indeed an all too common issue of whether or not the people could be identified as an empire or whether there was legitimate power held by the 'emperor'. Most scholars who studied this period of Rome tend to agree that Augustus was indeed able to solidify his power and authority as an emperor through means of control of the army and enacting the 1st and 2nd settlements as well as other crucial legislature. He was probably the best Emperor in terms of getting it right as far as running an Empire and not being easily usurped - indeed he lived until he may as well have died from natural causes. Suceeding emperors, among whom were Tiberius, Claudius and Nero (who played the fiddle as Rome burnt - hence the cd burning program named after him) while each playing important roles in the outcome of Romes history were caught up in a more politically volatile environment which often left them lacking in one area or another eg, military failures, border security (buffer states), Public image and entertainment. The highly debatable 'bloodline' emperors were known as the Julio-Claudians. Agrippina, part of the Julio-Claudian lineage was one of the first female manipulators of the power of the Empire that ever existed (and when i say one of the first I mean one of the first ones that were known - there were probably a lot more others include Cleopatra and that Egyptian broad who dressed up as a d00d an ran the Egyptian throne as a man until her beard fell off - it was probably real) The people of Rome were pretty damn civilised. The main features of Roman public life were daily routine and relgious affairs. Daily routine would include getting bread from the bakery, dropping your clothes off at the fuller (who used urine to clean your clothes, mmm mmmm) and visiting the bath house (at least 2 times a day) The bath houses were an extrememly public activity in the sense that, that was the place to go instead of say watching a movie with friends. Like the Greeks the Romans in the public fora (plural of forum) which would often include bath houses they would discuss everything from politics to religion. The religion(s) of Rome are also interesting. They were a polytheistic society which means that they believed in many gods. They had different shrines and stuff - the usual really. They had many Houses dedicated to diffferent religious activities and the like. The Roman government was extremely fond of polytheistic religions that involved the community focusing on other things than their mistakes, and extremely aggrivated by religions like Christianity which denied the Emperor his mandate from Heaven and his divinity. Thus if you were a Christian in Rome and publicly displayed it, you had about as much chance to survive as if you were in a Japanese POW camp in WWII. The torture methods were creative and offensive to some to read so if you dont want to know dont read on, and they provided a form of entertainment. Christians were often covered in honey left in the sun for 2 days before being attacked by trained bears - what they were trained in was to completely sodomise the recipient of the torture. Same thing with dogs, they would set an angry, wild dog with the sexual appetite of a thousand Ron Jeremys which would essentially bugger the victim to death. They would saw a woman in half, using their 'other end' as the starting groove. One that became popular with the crowds was stolen by the chinese where cupfulls of dry, uncooked rice were poured down the victims throat and topped off with a litre of warm water. The rice would cook in their stomachs and if you know how much 3 cups of rice feeds, you can probably figure out what happened to their stomachs. But i prattle on. I think we've covered SOME interesting aspects of Roman history - theres also the Barbarian wars between Rome and Gaul as well as things like pompeii, the Britons etc. Well i gtg. |
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Ulic |retired| - Student
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The Egyptians didn't have slaves? Then how where the piramides built, and why did Moses lead the Hebrews away. _______________ Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam |
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Sared - Retired 
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The Roman Road. The main trade routes that the Roman empire constructed have foundations of stone that go 10 feet deep. About 3.5-4 meters.  You can still run a tank or whatever you want on 'em, they are almost invincible. _______________ I'm crazy, not stupid. |
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