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Ithrien Dusat - ex-Student |
Whats your opinion on the reality of lightsabers actually being able to exist? I certainly believe anything is possible, but i do not think a Lightsaber will ever be built. Humans rely too much on guns or explosives these days. The skill to use such a weapon would be a daunting task and would require more focus than most are willing to give. Laser technology exists as of current day, but the problem we have with it is that we cant stop the laser beams. we have to shoot them at prisms or whatever to break the beam apart. I'd say if humans are still around in 100-150 years, lasers will not be all too new. Still, humans dont have the reflexes to block lasers with swords. The list goes on unfortunately=( However, maybe a FORM of lightsaber will be made that does not sheer through human flesh like an almost melting hot knife through butter. Perhaps in the future, Johnny Quest style virtual reality games will exist or maybe places to go like in Minority Report(where people go to fulfill their fantasies or whatever). _______________ Once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny, consume you it will... Jedi Master Yoda This post was edited by Ithrien Dusat on Apr 06 2004 09:37am. |
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Darth Bamse - Student 
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Quote: Wow, I took the time to read all your posts, and well, I don't think there's anything to cover that you guys didn't. As what Virtue said, it would be imposible to do things like block buttlets. Jedi have like a -50 ping, seeing things before they happen. However, people in RL are stuck w/ a 0 ping (since we all on the same server called reality) so it's impossible. I really like your metaphors.  _______________ Why use only one saber, when you can use two, and double the mayhem? |
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Ashyr - Student 
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Quote: i don't know if anyone mentioned this yet but a Light saber can be built in the means that i have read in several Star Wars reference books. They claim that the SW lightsabers are simply plasma(energy in its purest form) being allowed to exit the hilt, it is put in the blade shape by an electro-magnetic field. This actually IS POSSIBLE in RL, with 2 major problems. One is of course the power supply, plutonium, or a massive battery would be required. Second, is that electro-magnetic fields could hold the plasma, but they are easily distorted, in other words, throw a kitchen magnet at Mr. Jedi, and the plasma will spew everywhere, including on him. Makes since, but not really practical. Btw, Plasma is matter, not energy. _______________ Top ten reasons to get a better computer...|My fan |
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Monteeeeeee - Nugget 
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Quote: Remember what Qui-Gon said? "A Jedi can see things before they happen, which is why he appears to have such quick reflexes. Hehe yea thats why he died  _______________ If you add me to MSN, tell me who you are
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Vicious - Student 
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i don't know if anyone mentioned this yet but a Light saber can be built in the means that i have read in several Star Wars reference books. They claim that the SW lightsabers are simply plasma(energy in its purest form) being allowed to exit the hilt, it is put in the blade shape by an electro-magnetic field. This actually IS POSSIBLE in RL, with 2 major problems. One is of course the power supply, plutonium, or a massive battery would be required. Second, is that electro-magnetic fields could hold the plasma, but they are easily distorted, in other words, throw a kitchen magnet at Mr. Jedi, and the plasma will spew everywhere, including on him. _______________ I do not ask for your poor, or your hungry, I do not want your tired and sick, It is your corrupt I claim, It is your evil that will be sought by me, With every breath, I shall hunt them down, Each day, I will spill their blood, till it rains down from the skies. Do not kill, do not rape, do not steal, These are principles which every man of every faith can embrace, These are not polite suggestions, these are cores of behavior, And those of you that ignore them will pay the dearest cost. There are varying degrees of evil, I am a due lesser form of filth, not to push the bounds and cross over into true corruption, into our domain, For if you do, one day you will look behind you and you will see me, And on that day, you will reap it, And I will send you to whatever god you wish. |
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Ashyr - Student 
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Wow, I took the time to read all your posts, and well, I don't think there's anything to cover that you guys didn't. As what Virtue said, it would be imposible to do things like block buttlets. Jedi have like a -50 ping, seeing things before they happen. However, people in RL are stuck w/ a 0 ping (since we all on the same server called reality) so it's impossible. _______________ Top ten reasons to get a better computer...|My fan |
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StarWarsGirl - Ex-Student 
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Not always... Many times an opponent without the Force is harder to defeat when they have a lightsaber cuz they swing with full force, killer blows they also expect the battle to end quickly cuz their ego gets in the way, causing them to attack straight at any areas guarenteed to kill instantly there anger gets n there way &they try harder & become fratic desperate mainacs trying anything to win. _______________ Be strong & brave.Don't ever be afraid. Joshua 1:9 Fear is the path to the darkside. -Jedi Master Yoda |
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Jippie Phoenix - Student 
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If your opponent that isn't blessed with force would be an easier person to defeat as the individual with the force will be able to see the opponent without force moves. Yes hw will try to hack but he will miss _______________ |
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StarWarsGirl - Ex-Student
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I'd say having a lightsaber in the real world would be great except like let's say it starts as like "Jedi" that have them then 1 turns EVIL & start basically becoming "Seprartists/Sith" & killing the innocent then we basically have this huge war with enemies that r hard to defeat espeially if they're untrained cuz "an enemy with no training is harder to defeat then those with it" cuz they swing with no intention except to kill u & they don't have the Force so its harder in a way to tell when & where they'll strike next. So it depends on what happens with it. Like let's say Ben Laden gets hold of one "Goodbye the U.S." I honestly don't what my head chopped off! Does Anyone really want Ben Laden to rule the world other then himself? I sure hope not! Anyways like I said it depends. Even if it was MADE for the envionment in the world today how many people would actually resist the temptation of using it for other things like murder ect. I highly doubt we could actually do so without another Columbine situation or something like that. Many would suffer & die guarenteed! I like the idea but the consequences are too horrible! I couldn't stand the idea of another war/Columbine situation! I'm completly addicted to action real life or SW but with the economy today it would turn into a massacre! I personally would enjoy it & the action & everything but I'd prefer it in the SW Galaxy not planet Earth. In the SW galaxy (ignoring the clone wars at the moment) the economy was more stable sure there were alot of corrupt buecrats(no clue how to spell it just know that's wrong), poloticians, thugs, blackmarket dealers ect. but for a galaxy with a population of probably trillions at least that's pretty good. Compare that stabilty to Bush not being able to handle his own country plus his soliders in asia that's pretty good! Bush is set on revenge that's why the US is not stable. I'm siick of this war (to say the least) and lightsabers at the moment wouldn't help so perhaps when the world is out of this petty war we can have them but for now no.     _______________ Be strong & brave.Don't ever be afraid. Joshua 1:9 Fear is the path to the darkside. -Jedi Master Yoda This comment was edited by StarWarsGirl on May 01 2004 01:54am. |
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Rogue - Student 
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Cortosis my friend  _______________ I was a child when I joined the JA...scary. |
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Jippie Phoenix - Student 
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what virbroblades? _______________ |
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Vasper Ba'xian - Student 
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All the light saber is, is a weapon. Even if it is the symbol of the Jedi, a Jedi is a Jedi without it. The first Jedi used swords. These swords were coated with a substance called "Critosis" (or something like that). It was virtually useless other that the fact that itcould absorb and defend against enormous amounts of energy. It was even know to block the blade of a light saber. The Jedi had to advance as the technology advanced. All is the same with todays soldiers'. Weapons are becoming more advanced as well as the battlefield. Who knows what things will be in use by the time we are old and gray. _______________ Brother to: Tamal, Kavar, J.D.,Jermia, Devlin, Ulic, Xiabara, Seij,Tarron Mib,>>>ROCK ON .My Spacescapes art page.My Everything Else art page. MY FAV. Jedi Are: Qui-Gon Jinn, Corran Horn, and Anakin Solo. Unofficial Master to Tamal. and Kavar. Founder of the Wuji Hundun Jian saber style. Proud owner of Tamal's 200th comment!//Proud owner of Refl3x's 300th comment!>>>Proud owner of Tyrant's 800th comment>>>Proud owner of Lucky's 170th comment>>>Proud owner of BDKawika's 444th comment>>>To except Existance is to except Reality.
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Jippie Phoenix - Student
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hehe I the saber itself is used to defend, but if they really did create this type of weapon, its still quite useful,cutting through stuff.,it could be used in a mannner of environment. if you think about it swordman don't actually have the force to guide them when they r fighting do they  _______________ |
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Dan - Student |
Well said V. -Aiden |
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Virtue - Jedi Council 
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Can something that resembles a Lightsaber be built? Possibly in a few years, sure, we are developing our technology fast. Who knows where we'll be at a few years down the line. Will it be used in the same way as in the Star Wars Movies? Absolutely not. Hehe. A Lightsaber isn't just used for cutting through things, sure, it may be able to stop projectiles if such a thing is ever built, but without having the skill of a 'Jedi', there's no way anyone will have the reflexes to be able to 'Block' a bullet or something. Remember what Qui-Gon said? "A Jedi can see things before they happen, which is why he appears to have such quick reflexes. - Virtue. _______________ Academy Architect |
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Dan - Student |
Interesting comments. Yeah i believe that no-one will ever take the time to learn to master such a weapon, assuming that one was ever built. of course you will get your Star Wars freaks who would take it upon themselves to learn it. however it is doubtful that such a weaopn would ever be made. -Aiden |
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Jippie Phoenix - Student
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ok so if ne1 really wants to know about lightsabers and the developments go to this site: http://www.exn.ca/starwars/lightsaber.cfm check it out _______________ |
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Borlath Mon - Ex-Student 
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Oh, it's okay, Plo. At the end of the day, it's a "discussion" forum, not a "I'm right and nobody else is" forum. We debated and suggested things, and that's what we're supposed to do.  |
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Plo Koon - Student 
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anikan "you have a laser sword,your a jedi arent you?" there kinda the same,they mean lazers that can get very very very very very very hot and cut throughs stuff and i do believe you about the old republic jedi oh and no hard feelings borlath,i didnt mean to sound mean just saying what the jedi said in SW _______________ Free Tibet! Click this link,and learn Here too |
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Vasper Ba'xian - Student
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well, to correct you. The lightsaber was originally designed by the early Jedi SCIENTISTS, to replace the "special" swords they used at the time. If you look at the SW history, you will find that one of these scientist was named "Crutus Penari". He actually designed the first yellow bladed lightsaber, which was said to be so powerful that it could cut thru the blade of any other light saber. However the Council deemed it to be toopowerful and it was destroyed, along with its blueprints. So, they blades are not lasers. Lasers are just focused light. And powerful lasers have no matter, just heat. So if they were lasers, then the blades would pass thru each other, and ive never seen that happen in SW. _______________ Brother to: Tamal, Kavar, J.D.,Jermia, Devlin, Ulic, Xiabara, Seij,Tarron Mib,>>>ROCK ON .My Spacescapes art page.My Everything Else art page. MY FAV. Jedi Are: Qui-Gon Jinn, Corran Horn, and Anakin Solo. Unofficial Master to Tamal. and Kavar. Founder of the Wuji Hundun Jian saber style. Proud owner of Tamal's 200th comment!//Proud owner of Refl3x's 300th comment!>>>Proud owner of Tyrant's 800th comment>>>Proud owner of Lucky's 170th comment>>>Proud owner of BDKawika's 444th comment>>>To except Existance is to except Reality.
This comment was edited by Vasper Ba'xian on Apr 09 2004 03:22am. |
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Borlath Mon - Ex-Student 
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We don't know that. I don't know that, you don't know that. Nobody -does-. I think this is much like the whole Midichlorian thing GL did with Episode One. Was he explaining away the Force as a scientific anomaly, or giving more ideas towards what it is? Likewise, by not stating, for certain, how Lightsabres work, he opened up a vast avenue of discussion. Not a bad thing, when you consider it - however, to simply dismiss another idea because you believe in one can be a bad thing. I have never stated that the whole PlasMoid idea was the truth, merely that it's a possiblity. I don't dismiss focusing crystals, either....well, that's not true, I do. But that's because, as I stated in my original post, that ALL of the references we see these days about Lightsabres using focusing crystals comes from the 1st edition ANH, which states that the crystals on Anakin's lightsabre were for decoration. Anyway, it's late, and I need sleep before work. This comment was edited by Borlath Mon on Apr 09 2004 12:38am. |
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Plo Koon - Student 
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yeah there are even jedi cooks,jedi baby watchers,jedi nurses,dcotors ectect. but its not plasmoid _______________ Free Tibet! Click this link,and learn Here too |
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Borlath Mon - Ex-Student
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Ah, Jedi -use- the Lightsabres, this is true. And, from the time we see them, they -do- make their own lightsabres. In fact, from what I recall, this is part of a test in becoming a Jedi. However, the original idea must have come from somewhere. Besides, who says scientists can't be Jedi, also? There are Jedi Historians, Jedi Ballad singers...I believe, in fact, that in the SW universe, the whole Jedi thing was originally a religious order, until they discovered they could work the the Force. As for the Force Caves, there were no such caves in Episode One. I'll assume you're referring to Dagobah, and yes, there was a lot of Dark Side in that cave. However, there were no lightsabre crystals there. There were crystals in the caves in KOTOR, however, that isn't a canonological source of information. As for being wrong about the crystals and colouring...I merely state an opinion. Whether it's "right" or "wrong" doesn't matter, I'm sharing an idea - and one that fits all the facts provided by the movies and the original, canon, books. This comment was edited by Borlath Mon on Apr 09 2004 12:34am. |
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Plo Koon - Student
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err i already knew the blasters in Sw didnt go at the speed of light.just watch and your forgetting that eisode 1 is supossed to go before episode 4 man.its not plasmoid stuff,it comes from force caves that hold force crystals,much force sensitivity is in these caves. and jedi made lightsabers in SW not scientists and your wrong,the different force crystal used is what determines color,... the lightsaber holds a powercell that creates energy. when the lightsaber is turned on,this energy shoots through a crystal and forms an arc of light that can cut though anything except another lightsaber blade.none of that plasmashield stuff _______________ Free Tibet! Click this link,and learn Here too This comment was edited by Plo Koon on Apr 09 2004 12:33am. |
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Borlath Mon - Ex-Student
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Hi, guys. This is my first post - I decided to look around for intelligent SW and JO/JA chat, because my regular clan...well, without bringing politics into it, aren't really SW related anymore, which is both good and bad. Anyway, I like to consider myself a Star Wars historian, and in the course of my studies, I discovered a website a few years ago which I really got a kick out of. I can't find it anymore, but it was a scientific look at how Lightsabres could have developed, and also explained away "bloopers" in the movies. Basically, the website said that the sabres themselves weren't actually light at all, but a forcefield that contained a form of volatile matter called PlasMoid. Basically, the theory went (more or less) thusly: Early scientists discovered that PlasMoid (whatever it was) could be contained within self-contained forcefields, and propelled at great speeds from a self-powered unit. Although the forcefield, and thus the PlasMoid, would dissipate within time, so it wouldn't go on forever, whilst the forcefield was active, it could be used as a dangerous weapon. Thus, blasters were born. (Bors' note 1: this explains why guns which fired beams of "light" moved quickly, yet didn't move at the speed of light, itself) After some experimentation, it was also discovered that these PlasMoid/forcefield weapons could be used in a different way. Using a unit which could be altered to project the forcefield indefinately, a weapon could be made to hold PlasMoid in place. Because the Forcefield was always at its' power source, it wouldn't dissipate, and so the PlasMoid would remain intact. A sword-like weapon was created, and named the Lightsabre, after the appearance that a beam of light was held suspended at the end of a grip. (Bors' note 2: I know what you're all thinking. Lightsabres are created with crystals! Not forcefields and light. However -and this is where I fly right into a flaming war- nowhere does it say in the original SW trilogy that crystals were used as the heart of a lightsabre. It all sprung from a mis-understood line in the 1st edition Star Wars novel, which states that Anakin Skywalker's lightsabre was encrusted with jewels and precious gems. Everything since then, from West End Games, to other books, and PC games have enforced and encouraged this belief. In the Star Wars radio serial, Return of The Jedi opens with Luke building his new sabre, and states that he needs a focusing crystal, but by then, the damage had been done. Everything canon in SW comes from the films, and the ANH novelisation, written from George Lucas' original drafts, only states that the lightsabre was decorated with crystals, not powered by them, or used them as focusing tools.) This pretty much ends my garbled rememberances of the website, which was really good. However, a few points I'd like to make: 1. The different coloured beams could represent the colour of the forcefields, or the PlasMoid used within. Assuming that regular PlasMoid is red - being the default colour of blaster bolts in the movies. This could make sense as to why the Sith use red bolts. Everything we know about them states that they see the Jedi as inferior, and weak, whilst they use the true power of The Force. Would it not make sense, therefore, that they would use an unaltered colour for their Lightsabres? It would show purity. Likewise, for the ship weapons, the Rebels wouldn't be able to afford any fancy PlasMoid for their ships, so they'd use the unaltered red colour, whilst the Empire, with it's limitless resources, could use something different (and they use green). 2. Assuming that the Forcefield/PlasMoid emittions are opaque to each other, this explains why blaster beams and lightsabres don't pass directly through transparent objects - and why Lightsabres can be used to block blaster bolts. 3. The forcefields and PlasMoid, not being made of light, would create a shadow, because it's an opaque thing and not a beam of light. This explains why in the movies, the beams cast a shadow. That's pretty much it. I'd like to state that I'm not trolling the board, merely offering another point of view. Whether it is seen that way or not remains, of course, to be seen. I welcome your comments, either agreeing to the possibility, or detracting my idea. This comment was edited by Borlath Mon on Apr 09 2004 12:32am. |
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Plo Koon - Student
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lazers take big huge machines so we couldnt carry it in our hands _______________ Free Tibet! Click this link,and learn Here too |
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