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Ithrien Dusat - ex-Student |
Whats your opinion on the reality of lightsabers actually being able to exist? I certainly believe anything is possible, but i do not think a Lightsaber will ever be built. Humans rely too much on guns or explosives these days. The skill to use such a weapon would be a daunting task and would require more focus than most are willing to give. Laser technology exists as of current day, but the problem we have with it is that we cant stop the laser beams. we have to shoot them at prisms or whatever to break the beam apart. I'd say if humans are still around in 100-150 years, lasers will not be all too new. Still, humans dont have the reflexes to block lasers with swords. The list goes on unfortunately=( However, maybe a FORM of lightsaber will be made that does not sheer through human flesh like an almost melting hot knife through butter. Perhaps in the future, Johnny Quest style virtual reality games will exist or maybe places to go like in Minority Report(where people go to fulfill their fantasies or whatever). _______________ Once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny, consume you it will... Jedi Master Yoda This post was edited by Ithrien Dusat on Apr 06 2004 09:37am. |
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Jippie Phoenix - Student 
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hehe I the saber itself is used to defend, but if they really did create this type of weapon, its still quite useful,cutting through stuff.,it could be used in a mannner of environment. if you think about it swordman don't actually have the force to guide them when they r fighting do they  _______________ |
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Dan - Student |
Well said V.  -Aiden |
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Virtue - Jedi Council 
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Can something that resembles a Lightsaber be built? Possibly in a few years, sure, we are developing our technology fast. Who knows where we'll be at a few years down the line. Will it be used in the same way as in the Star Wars Movies? Absolutely not. Hehe. A Lightsaber isn't just used for cutting through things, sure, it may be able to stop projectiles if such a thing is ever built, but without having the skill of a 'Jedi', there's no way anyone will have the reflexes to be able to 'Block' a bullet or something. Remember what Qui-Gon said? "A Jedi can see things before they happen, which is why he appears to have such quick reflexes. - Virtue.  _______________ Academy Architect |
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Dan - Student |
Interesting comments. Yeah i believe that no-one will ever take the time to learn to master such a weapon, assuming that one was ever built. of course you will get your Star Wars freaks who would take it upon themselves to learn it. however it is doubtful that such a weaopn would ever be made. -Aiden |
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Jippie Phoenix - Student
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ok so if ne1 really wants to know about lightsabers and the developments go to this site: http://www.exn.ca/starwars/lightsaber.cfm check it out _______________ |
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Borlath Mon - Ex-Student 
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Oh, it's okay, Plo. At the end of the day, it's a "discussion" forum, not a "I'm right and nobody else is" forum. We debated and suggested things, and that's what we're supposed to do.  |
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Plo Koon - Student 
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anikan "you have a laser sword,your a jedi arent you?" there kinda the same,they mean lazers that can get very very very very very very hot and cut throughs stuff and i do believe you about the old republic jedi oh and no hard feelings borlath,i didnt mean to sound mean  just saying what the jedi said in SW _______________ Free Tibet! Click this link,and learn Here too |
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Vasper Ba'xian - Student 
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well, to correct you. The lightsaber was originally designed by the early Jedi SCIENTISTS, to replace the "special" swords they used at the time. If you look at the SW history, you will find that one of these scientist was named "Crutus Penari". He actually designed the first yellow bladed lightsaber, which was said to be so powerful that it could cut thru the blade of any other light saber. However the Council deemed it to be toopowerful and it was destroyed, along with its blueprints. So, they blades are not lasers. Lasers are just focused light. And powerful lasers have no matter, just heat. So if they were lasers, then the blades would pass thru each other, and ive never seen that happen in SW. _______________ Brother to: Tamal, Kavar, J.D.,Jermia, Devlin, Ulic, Xiabara, Seij,Tarron Mib,>>>ROCK ON .My Spacescapes art page.My Everything Else art page. MY FAV. Jedi Are: Qui-Gon Jinn, Corran Horn, and Anakin Solo. Unofficial Master to Tamal. and Kavar. Founder of the Wuji Hundun Jian saber style. Proud owner of Tamal's 200th comment!//Proud owner of Refl3x's 300th comment!>>>Proud owner of Tyrant's 800th comment>>>Proud owner of Lucky's 170th comment>>>Proud owner of BDKawika's 444th comment>>>To except Existance is to except Reality.
This comment was edited by Vasper Ba'xian on Apr 09 2004 03:22am. |
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Borlath Mon - Ex-Student 
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We don't know that. I don't know that, you don't know that. Nobody -does-. I think this is much like the whole Midichlorian thing GL did with Episode One. Was he explaining away the Force as a scientific anomaly, or giving more ideas towards what it is? Likewise, by not stating, for certain, how Lightsabres work, he opened up a vast avenue of discussion. Not a bad thing, when you consider it - however, to simply dismiss another idea because you believe in one can be a bad thing. I have never stated that the whole PlasMoid idea was the truth, merely that it's a possiblity. I don't dismiss focusing crystals, either....well, that's not true, I do. But that's because, as I stated in my original post, that ALL of the references we see these days about Lightsabres using focusing crystals comes from the 1st edition ANH, which states that the crystals on Anakin's lightsabre were for decoration. Anyway, it's late, and I need sleep before work. This comment was edited by Borlath Mon on Apr 09 2004 12:38am. |
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Plo Koon - Student 
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yeah there are even jedi cooks,jedi baby watchers,jedi nurses,dcotors ectect. but its not plasmoid _______________ Free Tibet! Click this link,and learn Here too |
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Borlath Mon - Ex-Student
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Ah, Jedi -use- the Lightsabres, this is true. And, from the time we see them, they -do- make their own lightsabres. In fact, from what I recall, this is part of a test in becoming a Jedi. However, the original idea must have come from somewhere. Besides, who says scientists can't be Jedi, also? There are Jedi Historians, Jedi Ballad singers...I believe, in fact, that in the SW universe, the whole Jedi thing was originally a religious order, until they discovered they could work the the Force. As for the Force Caves, there were no such caves in Episode One. I'll assume you're referring to Dagobah, and yes, there was a lot of Dark Side in that cave. However, there were no lightsabre crystals there. There were crystals in the caves in KOTOR, however, that isn't a canonological source of information. As for being wrong about the crystals and colouring...I merely state an opinion. Whether it's "right" or "wrong" doesn't matter, I'm sharing an idea - and one that fits all the facts provided by the movies and the original, canon, books. This comment was edited by Borlath Mon on Apr 09 2004 12:34am. |
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Plo Koon - Student
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err i already knew the blasters in Sw didnt go at the speed of light.just watch  and your forgetting that eisode 1 is supossed to go before episode 4 man.its not plasmoid stuff,it comes from force caves that hold force crystals,much force sensitivity is in these caves.and jedi made lightsabers in SW not scientists and your wrong,the different force crystal used is what determines color,... the lightsaber holds a powercell that creates energy. when the lightsaber is turned on,this energy shoots through a crystal and forms an arc of light that can cut though anything except another lightsaber blade.none of that plasmashield stuff _______________ Free Tibet! Click this link,and learn Here too This comment was edited by Plo Koon on Apr 09 2004 12:33am. |
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Borlath Mon - Ex-Student
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Hi, guys. This is my first post - I decided to look around for intelligent SW and JO/JA chat, because my regular clan...well, without bringing politics into it, aren't really SW related anymore, which is both good and bad. Anyway, I like to consider myself a Star Wars historian, and in the course of my studies, I discovered a website a few years ago which I really got a kick out of. I can't find it anymore, but it was a scientific look at how Lightsabres could have developed, and also explained away "bloopers" in the movies. Basically, the website said that the sabres themselves weren't actually light at all, but a forcefield that contained a form of volatile matter called PlasMoid. Basically, the theory went (more or less) thusly: Early scientists discovered that PlasMoid (whatever it was) could be contained within self-contained forcefields, and propelled at great speeds from a self-powered unit. Although the forcefield, and thus the PlasMoid, would dissipate within time, so it wouldn't go on forever, whilst the forcefield was active, it could be used as a dangerous weapon. Thus, blasters were born. (Bors' note 1: this explains why guns which fired beams of "light" moved quickly, yet didn't move at the speed of light, itself) After some experimentation, it was also discovered that these PlasMoid/forcefield weapons could be used in a different way. Using a unit which could be altered to project the forcefield indefinately, a weapon could be made to hold PlasMoid in place. Because the Forcefield was always at its' power source, it wouldn't dissipate, and so the PlasMoid would remain intact. A sword-like weapon was created, and named the Lightsabre, after the appearance that a beam of light was held suspended at the end of a grip. (Bors' note 2: I know what you're all thinking. Lightsabres are created with crystals! Not forcefields and light. However -and this is where I fly right into a flaming war- nowhere does it say in the original SW trilogy that crystals were used as the heart of a lightsabre. It all sprung from a mis-understood line in the 1st edition Star Wars novel, which states that Anakin Skywalker's lightsabre was encrusted with jewels and precious gems. Everything since then, from West End Games, to other books, and PC games have enforced and encouraged this belief. In the Star Wars radio serial, Return of The Jedi opens with Luke building his new sabre, and states that he needs a focusing crystal, but by then, the damage had been done. Everything canon in SW comes from the films, and the ANH novelisation, written from George Lucas' original drafts, only states that the lightsabre was decorated with crystals, not powered by them, or used them as focusing tools.) This pretty much ends my garbled rememberances of the website, which was really good. However, a few points I'd like to make: 1. The different coloured beams could represent the colour of the forcefields, or the PlasMoid used within. Assuming that regular PlasMoid is red - being the default colour of blaster bolts in the movies. This could make sense as to why the Sith use red bolts. Everything we know about them states that they see the Jedi as inferior, and weak, whilst they use the true power of The Force. Would it not make sense, therefore, that they would use an unaltered colour for their Lightsabres? It would show purity. Likewise, for the ship weapons, the Rebels wouldn't be able to afford any fancy PlasMoid for their ships, so they'd use the unaltered red colour, whilst the Empire, with it's limitless resources, could use something different (and they use green). 2. Assuming that the Forcefield/PlasMoid emittions are opaque to each other, this explains why blaster beams and lightsabres don't pass directly through transparent objects - and why Lightsabres can be used to block blaster bolts. 3. The forcefields and PlasMoid, not being made of light, would create a shadow, because it's an opaque thing and not a beam of light. This explains why in the movies, the beams cast a shadow. That's pretty much it. I'd like to state that I'm not trolling the board, merely offering another point of view. Whether it is seen that way or not remains, of course, to be seen. I welcome your comments, either agreeing to the possibility, or detracting my idea. This comment was edited by Borlath Mon on Apr 09 2004 12:32am. |
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Plo Koon - Student
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lazers take big huge machines so we couldnt carry it in our hands _______________ Free Tibet! Click this link,and learn Here too |
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Vasper Ba'xian - Student 
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good idea, but instead of the metal on the outside of the laser, put it in the middle with the laser surrounding it, that way it could cut thru without the metal being caught up. it would have to be a metal that could withstand the heat. -------------- 0==={==============> metal core(retracting, maybe) -------------- laser around the innermetal core. _______________ Brother to: Tamal, Kavar, J.D.,Jermia, Devlin, Ulic, Xiabara, Seij,Tarron Mib,>>>ROCK ON .My Spacescapes art page.My Everything Else art page. MY FAV. Jedi Are: Qui-Gon Jinn, Corran Horn, and Anakin Solo. Unofficial Master to Tamal. and Kavar. Founder of the Wuji Hundun Jian saber style. Proud owner of Tamal's 200th comment!//Proud owner of Refl3x's 300th comment!>>>Proud owner of Tyrant's 800th comment>>>Proud owner of Lucky's 170th comment>>>Proud owner of BDKawika's 444th comment>>>To except Existance is to except Reality.
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Garos - Student 
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 lol guysAbout the lightsaber business though, Menaxia said it was theoretically possible. I heard that it could be too, but the light just cancels itself out at the end. I had an Idea. it's not quite a lightsaber, but it's actually possible:... __ <<mirror I | I | <metal to hold the mirror on top of the laser I | I | I | I | I | I | <laser (the 'I's) I | I | ___ | | | | <<Hilt thing | | This comment was edited by Garos on Apr 08 2004 03:55pm. |
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Plo Koon - Student
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yeah but the cloaking thing in james bond was a little too "sci-fi" i mean its 007! _______________ Free Tibet! Click this link,and learn Here too |
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crazy_hacker - Ex-Student 
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Hmmm, about the cloaking thing, werent they working on something like James Bond used in his car in Die Another Day? Where it had cameras all over it and showed whatever was on the opposite side? _______________ if at first you dont succeed, try and try again. if you still dont succeed, youve just wasted a whole lot of time trying something you just cant do
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Steinin - Student 
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I've heard a rumour of a stealth suit being made in Japan. It was created using countless optic fibers that could reflect light. A coumputer would control these optic fibres to make the light go around the wearer making him/her invisible. But it didn't work. Because the state of the art computer that was supposed to calculate light and control the fibres crashed due to too much calculations. Note: I've got no solid proof that this happened. But it could be possible. _______________ 362 Ohi on! |
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Silent Whisper - Retired 
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I was told a while ago by a "nerdish" friend that microsoft had developed something quite similar to a lightsaber. It was smaller though and the laser isn't as powerful as a lightsabers. _______________ "I have learned from Vergere only that there is no such thing as sides of the Force....for the side is merely a reflection of your intentions of the Force. Use it in hate, and it will be hate. Use it offensively in good, and you will find my Truth." -Jacen Solo, "Traitor", New Jedi Order |
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Mitch - Student 
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Would be cool if they could be made...I'd like to have one _______________ Power Preceived, is Power Acheived.' Brother to 3th, Janus, and Vlad. |
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Zertz - Student 
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Lightsabers would be nasty things to use, only the hilt would have weight! I really dont think they could exist. As for other things in SW, antigrav is possible (look at that freaky stuff those guys were doing with Tesla style machines) Reality cloaking could be possible, lightbending is more probably, and full sensor cloaking is highly likely. Interstellar travel...perhaps jumphole/jumpgate wormhole type things or blackhole skipping, mabye particle accelerator slingshots... Blasters perhaps, much more likely then lightsabers for sure (although guns will always have there place). As to whether or not if created a lightsaber would be used, it could always be a side arm or a dueling weapon. Don't soldiers in SW (atleast Old Republic era) have a Rifle, a Pistol and a Vibroblade (smaller thing, like a large knife)? Addition: Forgot to continue on the last note: Sounds like logical outfit which is used today, Rifle, pistol and tactical/utillitary knife? _______________ Some friends wear pants, some don't. This comment was edited by Zertz on Apr 07 2004 12:41am. |
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Vasper Ba'xian - Student
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Well, who knows where we will be 100 or even 1000 years from now. If you consider the technology of SW vs ours, we are still in the stone age. Evolution plays a part in it. Maybe the human species will evolve into something better than we are today. There are endless wolrds out there and resouces that we couldn't even imagine. We must first explore and descover before such things can even be considered a reality. _______________ Brother to: Tamal, Kavar, J.D.,Jermia, Devlin, Ulic, Xiabara, Seij,Tarron Mib,>>>ROCK ON .My Spacescapes art page.My Everything Else art page. MY FAV. Jedi Are: Qui-Gon Jinn, Corran Horn, and Anakin Solo. Unofficial Master to Tamal. and Kavar. Founder of the Wuji Hundun Jian saber style. Proud owner of Tamal's 200th comment!//Proud owner of Refl3x's 300th comment!>>>Proud owner of Tyrant's 800th comment>>>Proud owner of Lucky's 170th comment>>>Proud owner of BDKawika's 444th comment>>>To except Existance is to except Reality.
This comment was edited by Vasper Ba'xian on Apr 06 2004 08:00pm. |
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Plo Koon - Student
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the only kind of lazers we can make today have to have huge machines one to create it and on to catch it-nothing like in a small handle like a lightsaber and if we did create something i bet the martial arts monks would do best with them. _______________ Free Tibet! Click this link,and learn Here too |
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Menaxia - Student 
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I have heared that they are theoreticaly possible.... _______________ This is not the place to look for me |
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