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Ithrien Dusat - ex-Student |
What do you think peoples reactions would be to bullets in the SW Universe? Jedi's would be defenseless against a bullet(imagine a jedi deflecting a 50cal round lol You could probably have 3 bullets hit a someone by the time 1 laser hit someone.(now guys this is on planets or ships where there is gravity) _______________ Once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny, consume you it will... Jedi Master Yoda |
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Darth Bamse - Student 
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Quote: earring-sized shield generator that deflects bullets? interesting invention ...care to explain how that might work? I could, but as it is a military secret, i would have to make sure that you never left the room.  Quote: you cant guess the evolution of technology before it happens. how would you know whether guns are really a predescor to blasters? Quite true. I wouldn't know at all. But as a theory, it does sound kind of plausible, doesn't it? Quote: I've seen stormies get shot by sand people before, they use bullets Well, I guess i didn't think of that. But on the other hand, that leads to another problem. Unless the Sand people uses some kind of hyper-ultra-bullets (and my theory holds), then why do stormtroopers wear armour? it doesn't take more than one shot from any gun to kill them anyway, you can even use hand weapons to down them. There seems to be no point for the Storm Troopers to wear full body armour, except for winning a prize for most unconfortable working clothes.. You are forgetting that the source of all this is a movie. The stormtroopers wear armour because it looks cool. And mind you, in the movies they never use the really small weapons. The only one-hand weapon they use is Han's blaster, and that one's modified. Apart from that, they mostly use the stormie's own weapons, which should be quite effective. _______________ Why use only one saber, when you can use two, and double the mayhem? |
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Plo Koon - Student 
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the storm trooper guns and others where too,around the world war II era _______________ Free Tibet! Click this link,and learn Here too |
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lasarus - Student 
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Quote: earring-sized shield generator that deflects bullets? interesting invention ...care to explain how that might work? I could, but as it is a military secret, i would have to make sure that you never left the room. Quote: you cant guess the evolution of technology before it happens. how would you know whether guns are really a predescor to blasters? Quite true. I wouldn't know at all. But as a theory, it does sound kind of plausible, doesn't it? Quote: I've seen stormies get shot by sand people before, they use bullets Well, I guess i didn't think of that. But on the other hand, that leads to another problem. Unless the Sand people uses some kind of hyper-ultra-bullets (and my theory holds), then why do stormtroopers wear armour? it doesn't take more than one shot from any gun to kill them anyway, you can even use hand weapons to down them. There seems to be no point for the Storm Troopers to wear full body armour, except for winning a prize for most unconfortable working clothes.. _______________ The triangular wheel was an improvement over the square one: There was one less bump. |
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Darth Bamse - Student 
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Quote: speed of light travels 186,000 miles per second.i dont think SW guns move this fast. EDIT: and george lucas did model the Star wars guns after real life today guns Well, of course they don't move at the speed of light in the movies, cuz it wouldn't be fun not seeing the shots. About the guns being based on real guns: That was only Han's blaster pistol. It is based on a German Pistol. _______________ Why use only one saber, when you can use two, and double the mayhem? |
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Plo Koon - Student 
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speed of light travels 186,000 miles per second.i dont think SW guns move this fast. EDIT: and george lucas did model the Star wars guns after real life today guns _______________ Free Tibet! Click this link,and learn Here too This comment was edited by Plo Koon on Jun 08 2004 03:53am. |
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Flamori Athena - Student 
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Quote: Lets look at the original question from a different point of view: In the SW universe (or at least in that galaxy far far away) most races seem to be space-faring and highly technologically advanced. Except for the ewoks but hey, all galaxies need a planet full of cuddly bears, or else there wouldn't be any AnimalPlanet-Shows. Now, between the ewoks, who seem to be fairly primitive using slings and stones to hunt and so on, and the Republic (or the empire if you'd rather prefer that), there must be a middle techno-level with steampower, automobiles and firearms. Or at least there ought to have been such an era before the Republic. As i see it, the reason there are no bullets in the SW universe, is that they have become outdated and obsolete. As inventing seems to go in RL, someone probably invented a earring-sized shield generator for deflecting bullets and then someone else had to invent the blaster for pepole to be able to keep killing eachother... earring-sized shield generator that deflects bullets? interesting invention ...care to explain how that might work? you cant guess the evolution of technology before it happens. how would you know whether guns are really a predescor to blasters? Quote: So the reaction if you shot a stormtrooper with a 20-th century machine gun would probably be that he would think that you were pulling a prank on him and direct you to the nearest antique-shop. I've seen stormies get shot by sand people before, they use bullets. _______________ «±» 21st on the Midbie Council, Profile ID: 2027 «±» True wisdom is the knowledge that you know nothing. |
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lasarus - Student
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Lets look at the original question from a different point of view: In the SW universe (or at least in that galaxy far far away) most races seem to be space-faring and highly technologically advanced. Except for the ewoks but hey, all galaxies need a planet full of cuddly bears, or else there wouldn't be any AnimalPlanet-Shows. Now, between the ewoks, who seem to be fairly primitive using slings and stones to hunt and so on, and the Republic (or the empire if you'd rather prefer that), there must be a middle techno-level with steampower, automobiles and firearms. Or at least there ought to have been such an era before the Republic. As i see it, the reason there are no bullets in the SW universe, is that they have become outdated and obsolete. As inventing seems to go in RL, someone probably invented a earring-sized shield generator for deflecting bullets and then someone else had to invent the blaster for pepole to be able to keep killing eachother... So the reaction if you shot a stormtrooper with a 20-th century machine gun would probably be that he would think that you were pulling a prank on him and direct you to the nearest antique-shop. //L. _______________ The triangular wheel was an improvement over the square one: There was one less bump. |
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Darth Bamse - Student
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Blaster fire move at the speed of light. The shot that can be seen with the eye is just a tail. The real shot is inisible. According to SW literature. Clearly the movies don't work like this, and we can understand that can we? But a Jedi can see a small portion into the future, predicting the shot before it's fired. So neither blasters or projectile weapons are a problem. As a matter of fact, projectile weapons do appear in the movies, and some of the games. The sand people in Ep1 for example uses stolen rifles to shoot at the pods. And in Jedi Academy SP, you get shot at by sand people using rifles. And you can see that the character blocks these shots (mostly, sometimes you need to hit quickload), but does not reflect them, they just "pouff". Same case with the repeater, although those bolts move qiote slow. _______________ Why use only one saber, when you can use two, and double the mayhem? |
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Plo Koon - Student
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well if a jedi came face to face with a mini gun or machine gun he'd quickly learn to run like obiwan and quigonn did in episode 1 about droidika's _______________ Free Tibet! Click this link,and learn Here too |
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Vicious - Student 
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Actually I've read in SW books that lasers move just as fast as bullets. But for obvious reasons, like being able to see them, the lasers were made to appear slow in the movies. _______________ I do not ask for your poor, or your hungry, I do not want your tired and sick, It is your corrupt I claim, It is your evil that will be sought by me, With every breath, I shall hunt them down, Each day, I will spill their blood, till it rains down from the skies. Do not kill, do not rape, do not steal, These are principles which every man of every faith can embrace, These are not polite suggestions, these are cores of behavior, And those of you that ignore them will pay the dearest cost. There are varying degrees of evil, I am a due lesser form of filth, not to push the bounds and cross over into true corruption, into our domain, For if you do, one day you will look behind you and you will see me, And on that day, you will reap it, And I will send you to whatever god you wish. |
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D@RtHM@UL - Student 
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Lol, I actually imagined seeing Obi Wan trying to deflect the Death Stars Cannon when ya said that Aratan  Would look funny as hell I bet |
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Jacen Aratan - Student |
Why not just skip all this chat, and agree that the Deathstar owns lightsabers.. |
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Squibit - Student 
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Even if you did focus the blade with a lense, would not the light continue after, sort of like A cross pattern ? so they go to a point but then spread out after ? _______________ Quote: fiZZe: its SIR Fizzy Fluffy :p Quote: FiZZ[JAK]: that was what I call a counter Ah, things you only ever expect to hear once 
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Ancient - Ex-Student 
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Quote: Heh, I actually read a book on the feasibility of different Star Wars technologies. Lightsabers are less given to lasers than they are to plasma. Plasma is heated to millions of degrees, and can be contained by a conical magnetic field. The only two problems left are finding a cap to the point of the saber (i.e the far end of the magnetic field) and finding a power source which could supply energy for the plasma while not overheating the wielder's hand. The plasma glows like a lightsaber would, and the magnetic fields, if strong enough, repulse one another so that they do not slice through eachother. Also, the field extends as the power is switched on, which gives the saber the 'sliding in and out' as it turns on and off. A laser, on the other hand, definitely WOULD pass through another laser. A Laser Sword would need some other form of support to keep from slicing through another laser...and also a laser needs a lens at the far end to cap the laser sword. I know that actually, but they are trying to use laser, so i try to explain with laser. http://www.exn.ca/starwars/plasmasaber.cfm _______________ -THE ONE WITH THE "STAFF" -BROTHER TO FROSTY -Admitted to University of California, San Diego(UCSD). YAY! |
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Ancient - Ex-Student 
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Quote: Allow me to draw a diagram of the actual length of the Beam a lightsaber emits starting with its focusing lens or crystal or whatever you want to call it by an X Actual Beam Length X---------------------------------------------------------------- Now for how a lightsaber actually is. X=============== The lightsaber beam bends back after 15 dashes and the remaining 15 return to the hilt. Concave and Convex Lenses bend light at their point of contact with the light, not 1 meter away like a lightsaber does. O.o i get your point now.... hmmm....good question...  But i think we can still make a light saber right? The only problem is that we will get a triangle shape instead of a sword shape....lol _______________ -THE ONE WITH THE "STAFF" -BROTHER TO FROSTY -Admitted to University of California, San Diego(UCSD). YAY! |
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(Jedi)Obi-JK - Student 
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This could be an really weird idea but maybe we can build off it. Assume the light is always being sent back from a lens. But something pull the lens into the hilt or lets it float away from the hilt, maybe this could be done by magnets. I guess it could be possilbe for magnets set to attract each other. If the magnets are attached to the outside of the crystal and the outside of the lens, they could be set to repel each other, this would cause the blade to extend. Again this is a "very, very, very" rough idea, but maybe we could all put our head together and improve on it. Lets try to draw this as buzz did. XXX = hilt { = magnet } = magnet = = portion of blade ) = lens <> = crystal XXX{<>X===============)} this maybe hard to picture but take a minute, its almost possible. (ALMOST) _______________ Silent Bob (Kevin Smith): You know, there's a million fine looking women in the world, dude. But they don't all bring you lasagna at work. Most of 'em just cheat on you. -Steve (Obi) |
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Buzz - Student 
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Allow me to draw a diagram of the actual length of the Beam a lightsaber emits starting with its focusing lens or crystal or whatever you want to call it by an X Actual Beam Length X---------------------------------------------------------------- Now for how a lightsaber actually is. X=============== The lightsaber beam bends back after 15 dashes and the remaining 15 return to the hilt. Concave and Convex Lenses bend light at their point of contact with the light, not 1 meter away like a lightsaber does. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. This comment was edited by Buzz on Apr 20 2004 10:41pm. |
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Gunrow - Ex-Student 
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Heh, I actually read a book on the feasibility of different Star Wars technologies. Lightsabers are less given to lasers than they are to plasma. Plasma is heated to millions of degrees, and can be contained by a conical magnetic field. The only two problems left are finding a cap to the point of the saber (i.e the far end of the magnetic field) and finding a power source which could supply energy for the plasma while not overheating the wielder's hand. The plasma glows like a lightsaber would, and the magnetic fields, if strong enough, repulse one another so that they do not slice through eachother. Also, the field extends as the power is switched on, which gives the saber the 'sliding in and out' as it turns on and off. A laser, on the other hand, definitely WOULD pass through another laser. A Laser Sword would need some other form of support to keep from slicing through another laser...and also a laser needs a lens at the far end to cap the laser sword. _______________ "Let The Hunt Begin" |Brother to EAF_Fencer|Son of Skywalker| |
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Ancient - Ex-Student
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Quote: The Concave and Convex lenses don't work though. A lightsaber bends back completely on itself. Lenses in actual physics cannot do to light what a lightsaber does. Ummm....i dont think so, what factor made you make this assumsion?? Remember, i am talking about lenses, but not mirror. IF, i am saying "IF" the lightblade of a light saber is "LASER", with no doubt, it will be bended as it passes through a lens. I get your point that the light will certainly be reflected (bends back) only with a CONCAVE lens, remember the lightwave behind concave lens may have a chance to be unreal. However, the light wave that pass through the CONVEX lens must be real. P.S. I think it is nessarily to define "LASER" In science field, Laser is packetages of photons (energy), which is actually light! YES THATS RIGHT, LASER=LIGHT. And light are energy, at the same time has the properties of wave. Again, in quatum physics, there is a specturm that show you the energy of different waves.(now, we are off topic here,lol )Therefore, if the light blade in lightsaber is really "lasers", i didnt see any differences for lens to inflect or converge regular(low energy)lightAlso, if you want more information on how can something release photon, just free feel to ask me again. Edit: I also have another idea that can be use to limit the length of a lightsaber, but this method involve deeper understanding in the E&M field of Physics, which involves , Eletrical intensity, magnetic field, Electric force and stuff like that.... _______________ -THE ONE WITH THE "STAFF" -BROTHER TO FROSTY -Admitted to University of California, San Diego(UCSD). YAY! This comment was edited by Ancient on Apr 20 2004 06:41am. |
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Buzz - Student 
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The Concave and Convex lenses don't work though. A lightsaber bends back completely on itself. Lenses in actual physics cannot do to light what a lightsaber does. And yeah a lightsaber wouldn't be able to deflect probably every shot out of any gun, even a blaster. But do not forget the Force. There would have to be some spray pattern the shots would be following as the shooter fires. A Jedi would be able to see this pattern easier than you anc could avoid anything they couldn't block. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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Ancient - Ex-Student
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Luke, first i think i should apoligize to you too since I wasnt that respectful too. And for your question and for most other pple's questions: how do lightsabers limit their range? I have asked my professor today, although he is only an high school AP Physics teacher, he actually got a pHd degree in physical chemistry in UC Berkeley... He said that you can actually limited the length of the laser beam, since laser are parallel "light wave" or photon have the exact porperties as the visible light. If someone has study high school physics before, like very simple level of physics, you will learn that you can bend "light wave" in a quite simple way---add a concave or convex lens!!!YAY!!! Similarly, you can add a concave or convex...actually is convex lens, since they can bend the light to a focal point(if you want information or see what are the difference between convex and concave lens CLICK HERE), to the opening of the lightsaber to converge the light beam at an specfic end, note that the length of the focal point depends on the curverages of a lens. The only problem that is left is: how can we find a lens that can stand such a high energy??? OH....as some of you may think....a diamond can do it!!! Yes, a diamond can certainly do it, but i think we have to use a huge diamond (about 100 times bigger than those from diamond ring) LOL! THE PRICE WILL BE OUTRANGED!!! NOTE: This is only an assumsion from real life physics, and this only resolve the range limitation of the lightsaber. There are alot to think about except that in order for a SW lightsaber to work.... For example in RL, Lightbeam or laser wont reflect or inflect other lightbeam, in another word, a light saber can cut through another lightsaber Also, if a lightsaber has such a high fequency (high fequency=high energy, you can see that from the equation: "E=hf" E=energy, h=plank's constant=6.63*10^-34,f=fequency) YOU WILL BE BIND PRETTY QUICKLY IF YOU LOOK AT IT DIRECTLY!!! _______________ -THE ONE WITH THE "STAFF" -BROTHER TO FROSTY -Admitted to University of California, San Diego(UCSD). YAY! This comment was edited by Ancient on Apr 20 2004 04:33am. |
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Ancient - Ex-Student
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Quote: Blasters though aren't lasers really. They call the shots they fire blaster bolts. It is a packet of energy basically. Exactly what i have addressed earlier _______________ -THE ONE WITH THE "STAFF" -BROTHER TO FROSTY -Admitted to University of California, San Diego(UCSD). YAY! |
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Ancient - Ex-Student
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Quote: Well its true, the metal would probably melt if it hit the lightsaber, but if you had something like a fully loaded mini-gun, or even a machine gun, do you really think that they would be shooting right AT the saber? I'm sure they would be shooting all around the body, and i'm even further sure that although jedi are quick, they can't see that many bullets quickly enough to get their sabers in front of it. From what i've seen, metal bullets from machines guns and such travel hella quicker than what was displayed in the movies for blaster bolts. lol, that is true... and did you try to use cheat in jk2 and get infinite # of those "stand ground machine gun" and place 15 to 20 of them at one place to shot Dessan????LOL I did it a couple times and Dessan stand there for a few seconds and dead....LOL!!! that is exactly what will happen as you have described above....LOL _______________ -THE ONE WITH THE "STAFF" -BROTHER TO FROSTY -Admitted to University of California, San Diego(UCSD). YAY! |
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xAnAtOs - Student |
Well its true, the metal would probably melt if it hit the lightsaber, but if you had something like a fully loaded mini-gun, or even a machine gun, do you really think that they would be shooting right AT the saber? I'm sure they would be shooting all around the body, and i'm even further sure that although jedi are quick, they can't see that many bullets quickly enough to get their sabers in front of it. From what i've seen, metal bullets from machines guns and such travel hella quicker than what was displayed in the movies for blaster bolts. _______________ Brother to Luke Skywalker and (SKX) Dark Blade 
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Buzz - Student
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Blasters though aren't lasers really. They call the shots they fire blaster bolts. It is a packet of energy basically. Who knows how exactly a lightsaber works. Even though the blade is pure energy and has no mass, it could still slow the projectiles down or perhaps completely incerate the metal. Who knows. _______________ When you are going through Hell, keep going. -Sir Winston Churchill. Those who seek power and control of others, no matter the level, no matter the intentions, should never be given it. |
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