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Jacen Aratan - Student |
I don't know if I can express myself as I want to, in this post, but I hope you'll get my main point. When I was made JAK, I was thinking 'yippee, now I can teach classes, teach people the way of CTF and guns, the only thing in this game I'm good at'. Of course I was only allowed to teach (and only had) JK2, but I was still hoping for the best. So, people didn't show up much, and I ended up cancelling 80% of my classes. Fine. In JK3 it'll go much better. The first, what, 4 months, I wasn't allowed to teach JK3. OK, so, when I finally was allowed, I immedeatly headed for the CTF and gunning fields. 'This is a relatively new game, surely people will find classes on CTF and gunning here interesting, after all, home is full much of the time, and duelling classes have a crapload of students enrolled', I thought. The first few classes went fine, people showed up. Then, something happened. Less and less people started coming, and now I'm at a point where just about only regular CTFers and gunners come (Jake, optime, Legolian, etc). When I look at my class, I see 1 enrolled. When I look at the class, which is placed at the same time as mine, on the same server, created after I made mine, which has 5 people, and then at the class an hour after the beginning of mine, still within my class time (my class being 1½ hour), which has 10-11 people enrolled (sorry to the two instructors, you know who you are, it's not to be after you, it's just to get an example), I wonder.... is it my class' subject people don't like? Is it the fact 8/10 here at the JA refuses to use guns, except if it's just to get rid of a corpse, but instead is limited to duelling, and social-FFAing? Don't tell me it's because of bad times. Please. As said, there are classes starting at the same time as mine, on same server, with loads of enrolled people. I have 2/3 of my classes during the weekend, and the other is at 21:00 GMT Thursday, which surely should mean most Americans will be able to attend too. And yes, they are... home's full, but classes has the regulars. 2-3 people. I can't force you to go to classes you don't want to, nor am I interested in you feeling sorry for poor little Jacen, who has no students. What I want you to do, is think about why nearly all of you don't want to go to gun classes. Nearly everyone here at the JA duels. Even those who are too good to learn anything more about sabers, don't care to actually try and become good at a new field, instead of doing the same old stuff. Too bad the JK3 community is dead already. Nothing's out there, but social FFAs, with the same old tea parties. Heh, trust me, if this was the earlier days of JK2, duelling wouldn't have carried people very far, as the saber is nothing in an ffa or ctf match... Now, before you go accusing me of hypocricy, because I always use guns and such, let me remind you of this: in JK2 I was a dueller from I joined the JA, 'till October 2003, I did nothing but duel (not counting the instagib). No regular guns. And just recently I've been getting into saber duelling, as quite frankly, I find it hard to find anything but CTF in this game entertaining. I'm now talking about the actual game, not the people, because the people is the only real fun factor for me nowadays. Thank you for reading, and please note that I'm not writing this to pick on you duellers, no matter how much it might seem like that. I'm writing this to make the Academy a TRUE Academy, and not a duelling school. Please post your feedback. This post was edited by Jacen Aratan on May 02 2004 08:47pm. |
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Setementor - Jedi Master 
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I don't actually believe that this was random. I am quite sure that it is just the way that Obi-Wan feels about my Beginner/Intermediate Gunning Techniques class. I may be wrong, but that's the impression I got from him recently. |
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Everon - Student - The winner!!! 
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Quote: That was quite possibly the most random and pointless bumping of a thread I have ever seen here. Agreed, a two year bump. -Zeke |
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Rinzler - Student 
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only cool threads get brought back, like smily rules and the first aurochs thread. _______________ I fite for teh usars!1 |
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Virtue - Jedi Council 
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No pointless thread necromancy, please! Consider this a warning. - Virtue.  _______________ Academy Architect |
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Gil-Galad - Student 
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That was quite possibly the most random and pointless bumping of a thread I have ever seen here. _______________ |JAA| since 02/05/06 Green for life |
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hio _______________ Monday September 4th, 2006 R.I.P. Steve Irwin"The Crocodile Hunter" "Rejoice for those around you that transform into the force, morn them do not, miss them do not, death is a natural part of life"-Yoda "Who's the more foolish? The fool or the fool who follows him?"-Ben Kenobi "Mos Eisley Spaceport. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious"-Ben Kenobi Guided Specially, by Maher Dakari Sparring partner to Sho Koon, "Spared no expense"-John Hamond Jurasic Park, Padawan of RoseRed, "The oppression of the Sith shall never return, u have lost my lord"-Mace Windu, Owner of Pink Floyd Mintaka's 3700th comment! "Only Two there should be, One To Crave the Power and one to Embrace it" - Darth Bane: Path of Destruction |
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Halendor - Ex-Student 
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I don't like the JK guns. The only thing that felt natural in JK2, was the lightsaber. Now, in JK3, to me even that feels unnatural. CTF mode is fun though, I just prefer a different game  |
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Thomasooo - Student 
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I love using guns and playing CTF (though I suck at it!  )! I'm not very good with saber either, but I don't care. I play to have fun, and for the social aspect of being on the server. There's nothing better than having a great ol' laugh with those you consider good friends, like the people in the JA.And Jacen: I really wanna go to your gun class, the one on Saturdays at 9 PM CET. But my problem is that the computer is on my parents' room, and my dad has to get up early to drive my mom's paper route, so if I go to your class, I'd have to leave after like...20 minutes. Really sorry about that, man. I've been to some of your other classes, and they rocked! So I'd like to say this to all you people who never have been to one of Jacen's gun classes: Jacen might be a n00b n00b, but he sure is good with guns! He loves guns, so that means he's eager to pass on his knowledge to others, right? So if you'd like to explore another aspect of JK3, just go ahead and join his class already! _______________ In the navy and LOVING it!
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Fizz of Belouve - Student 
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I also preffer a UT99 gun match of even ctf (!) over a JK2/3 one. its just way too much things to handle at once in a jk game, especially CTF. teammates, force powers, force pool, guns, ammmo, oh and that waving flag thingy Im getting too old for those things....  _______________ One of the Belouve boys, founder of the mighty FiZZsters Midbie council #20 - Fizz - #1933 - Jan '03 - Aug '04 "Renfield, you idiot!" |
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Setementor - Jedi Master 
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Hey, Jacen, I wanted to make todays CTF class, but I couldn't due to a serious ping problems stopping me from getting to all servers but Wireplay. It's not that I hate CTF. |
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nick - Student |
I think what people dont see about the guns perspective is yeah q3 and cs are good games but you cant use force powers in them. I tried the saber thing in jk2 and jk3 and it was fun for a bit then it just got really repetitive(sp?). *note* Back in jk2 zone me and toosexy won the first ctf tourny but werent allowed to play in the 2nd. This comment was edited by nick on May 06 2004 08:47pm. |
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Jake Kainite - Student 
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A agree partly hoodwinker, you seem to know what you're talking about I don't know you personally, but I'm pretty sure your reputation speaks for itself. One point I must pick up on though, about the whole 'star wars, sabers argument'. ALOT of players do play the JK series simply because it is star wars, which is what they love. If star wars wasn't as big as it is, except for the lightsabers in these games and force powers, theres nothing really unique :S All I'm saying is look at CS and Q3's player numbers, then look at ours.... *Note* I to have played since JK/Mots, back when the msn gaming zone was THE place to be  Won barrysworld league in JKII. Do you know of the Big Bad Wolf?......_______________ Apprenctice of Jedi Master Ascari (deceased) Descended from a line of great Jedi Will argue any point of view from any side
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o2b - Student 
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oh yea, that concussion rifle over saber any day! Well, against a human anyways. Still, it all depends on what you want to get out of the game. I for one *love* the idea of dual sabers...they're so sexy lol Lots of people have pointed out that duals are 'overpowered' and it takes a lot less skill to play with duals than single...and yes, I agree. But that's what I want out of this game...to wield two sabers at the same time. I have a passing interest in guns, but I'm not consumed by a burning desire to be a perfect shot with them. It's all based on your perspective Anyway...that's my HO This comment was edited by o2b on May 06 2004 02:18pm. |
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aph3x - Retired 
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CTF rules. guns rule. jedi's use sabers because they are defensive, elegant, etc weapons. imagine a jedi using a rocket launcher. thats an insane amount of beatdown capability. saber = defense(For the most part) guns = offense dont try to duel someone with a repeater in his hand. i think this is why alot of people get frustrated and end up hating guns. they dont realize that there are guns that just woop the crap out of the saber. This comment was edited by aph3x on May 06 2004 01:19pm. |
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Jacen Aratan - Student |
Amen to that, Hood. |
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HooDWinkeR - Ex-Student 
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I think that's only true when you play with the less experienced players, because they're missing the point that CTF is all about team play. I'll give my little speech now, maybe for the second time... who knows. OK, to start off, my competitive roots go right back to JK1 in this series. I can assure you that the whole, "this is starwars so more people play it because they like the lightsabers" dealie is not true in the least. Yes, in JK1 I played and enjoyed sabers, the JK1 saber system was not intricate or complicated, it just required timing. I, personally, enjoy the JK series of games because they're high-flying jedi action, not because I can duel just like the movies! In JK1/MotS, I played it all, and competed internationally in it all, and was ranked fairly highly. JK2 came around, and I again picked it up and thouroughly enjoyed every aspect of the game, from duel all the way to CTF, competing in Microsoft Tournaments and various Ladder Leages, and my gaming experience would have continued in that game if not for the fact that JK3 came out, and after Raven butchered a few patches, a lot of the competition quit. Now it's time for JK3, again, I play it all and don't hesitate to try out the new gametypes, I can honestly say that siege is my least favourite because it is incredibly slow, that one gametype has changed physics... makes the whole game odd, slow paced like so many other FPSs out there. You will enjoy this game a lot more if you play every part of it, and once you know all the tricks and skills, they're nothing to perform, as easy as riding a bike. When people first witness a fast-paced professional CTF match, you will see exactly what I mean. I'm sure many of you, at this point, if you were to simply gaze upon a five minute segment of a demo from an early JK3 competition match... say from the ESL, HFD versus Helix, or some such match-up like that, you would be struck into complete awe and admiration for the level at which these people compete. Fluid and effortless movements, precise shots and the ability to anticipate where their opponent will move to, coordination between players, and very fast-paced, I doubt you would believe it was the same game. For sure there are others of you who have tasted a small portion of the fruits of competitive gameplay, and wish to see how far down the roots of those trees hosting the fruits really go, well, my friends, the Jedi Academy has just the classes you need to get the most out of your game. By competitive I don't mean like, buying the sickest gaming system (myself, I run a P3 600mhz, 128MB ram, 32mb Riva TNT2 video card, 20GB HD), attending LANs (I've never been to a LAN in my life) or even getting involved in actual competitive ladders; I am simply referring to the competitive, head-to-head team gametypes, that are extremely faced-paced and fun. Yes, you too can experience it all and get the most out of your game, simply attend the CTF/Guns classes, and you'll be on your way to becoming a true Jedi Knight. Remember, we're all here to have fun, and can you really tell me you're perfectly happy when you have not even glimpsed at the thicker, healthier, greener grass on the other side of the Academy? That's what I thought. |
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Padawan - Student |
I love CTF and I love siege, and I love to use guns in general. I would enroll in a class too, but I don't think I have much to learn. I can use each gun effectively, and I know ranges and how long to charge up, how high I should use an angle. Not that I think about it or measure, it's just instinct. What I do need to learn is how to use my sabre. I'm proficient, but no where near as good as what I am with gun. Quote: In JK CTF...it's different. Everyone wants to be a hero. The concept of team seems more like a suggestion. Everyone is doing their own thing, no one is communicating. It sucks. JK players are too focused on the success of the individual than the success of the team...this is why JK CTF is kinda boring to me. Ahhh! So true! When I play, I do try to get people organised, and, bossy as it seems, tell them what to do if someone needs support or if someone has the flag. The problem is, noone likes the idea of doing something they don't want to do, or being told what to do. Countless times I've had the flag, waiting for my teams' to return, and have stood watching 5 or 6 people standing around the base as if they all had something to defend. But if you then tell them to go do this or help so-and-so with that or stand over there where they can defend better, they tell you where to go. This comment was edited by Padawan on May 05 2004 05:05pm. |
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Fizz of Belouve - Student 
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Haomaru this has nothing to do with doing things "the easy way". but not all are die-hard gamers that really want to be perfect at a game, or the very utmost best. a lot of people play for fun. I understand that this is most likely an age issue, but be careful with claims like that. If you wanna do guns, fine. But dont put those people down who do not want to. For they dont put you down for liking them. - FiZZ of Belouve _______________ One of the Belouve boys, founder of the mighty FiZZsters Midbie council #20 - Fizz - #1933 - Jan '03 - Aug '04 "Renfield, you idiot!" |
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Haohmaru - Ex-Student 
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In response to FiZZ: In other words, everybody wants to do things the easy way. /me is a guns supporter!  _______________ Brother to Jarvo and Furious Padawan learner of Furious |
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o2b - Student 
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Normally I would have said something but it was the first class I'd been to and I'd just woken up (ur class was at 6am local lol) so I decided to give it the benefit of the doubt. And it sucks being in Australia cause I've found that most of the CTF servers are either empty or botmania or low ping only or have a map that I cant autodownload lol |
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Jacen Aratan - Student |
Quote: I went to Jacen's CTF of doom class, and frankly I was a little disappointed. Jace did a good job going through the key points on the Coruscant Streets map, and then we had a CTF match. I got very disheartened real quick after the total pwning we got, but what really upset me is that I hadn't learned a thing lol. At least with dueling I learn each time why I won or lost...not so with CTF. You must tell me if you don't know what the hell is going on, though... ask for help, or hints, so I can give them. Normally I'd stay in spectator to give hints, but unfortunately, I had to join, to even teams somewhat. It's true, you can't really do like a saber class, where they give you some combos you can practice.... the best practice in CTF is playing matches. :/ |
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Ulic |retired| - Student 
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Jacen, I understand it must be extremely frustrating to see that your enthusiasm is met by so little feedback and cooperation. I always tried to attend some of your classes but I don't have that much time so I have to make priorities. And at the moment that is duelling. I don't enjoy guns, and the fps in the gunyard in the map makes it impossible for me to use them properly. I guess the gunpart in jk3 isn't very popular because it's not that good, especially compared to other games. _______________ Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam |
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Fizz of Belouve - Student
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Guys, also keep in mind that CTF is a lot tougher, coz you gotta know the map and all neat hints and hiding places and whatnot by heart, and be really good with force speed+strafejump usage etc etc, I really think most ppl do not care that much. I remember it from my old UT days, I really enjoyed CTF when I played with my mates, who equally sucked. but as soon as I played on the web and totally got humilated i began to dislike it. Of course I dont expect you guys to get rid of your skill for classes, but, I just want to remind you of that. Its a lot easier if u just hop on a server and duel. u need zero knowledge of the map, zero forces, zero guns and stuff, just your saber(s) and here you go. _______________ One of the Belouve boys, founder of the mighty FiZZsters Midbie council #20 - Fizz - #1933 - Jan '03 - Aug '04 "Renfield, you idiot!" |
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Plo Koon - Student 
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i get what your saying man,im here and i understand _______________ Free Tibet! Click this link,and learn Here too |
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o2b - Student
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well...it'd actually help if some people actually went on the siege server!! I went to Jacen's CTF of doom class, and frankly I was a little disappointed. Jace did a good job going through the key points on the Coruscant Streets map, and then we had a CTF match. I got very disheartened real quick after the total pwning we got, but what really upset me is that I hadn't learned a thing lol. At least with dueling I learn each time why I won or lost...not so with CTF. eh, hope that helps |
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