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Koyi Donita - Student  |
Yep. Here it is. My first offical Forum and of course it's about my favorite topic, The Bible. Basically, I would like this to be an open forum based on the Bible and the truths held with in. If anyone has any Biblical truths that they would like to share with everyone, I ask for you to please put it up on the table as we will all search for truth in God's Word. If anyone has any questions, maybe collectively we may be able to help them through the Bible God willing. I only ask that if you have no faith or have nothing constructive to post, please respect my wishes and just ignore this forum. All questions from non-believers are welcome as long as you seriously seek God's truth. May God bless us all through his wonderful Word. Quote: For those of you who like, this site has every translation. Plus search, studies, GREAT RESOURCE The Bible Gateway -DM- Thank you Darth Mobility.  _______________ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17 I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her. ...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down.  This post was edited by Koyi Donita on Apr 30 2005 05:38pm. |
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JavaGuy - Student 
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If my wife and children will be unknown to me in Heaven, then I'm not sure I want to go. What does it mean for Salvation to spare us from Death if our very identities, all memory and knowledge of who we were is wiped out? The "me" in the afterlife would be a completely new person, not me. _______________ My signature is only one line. You're welcome. |
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Koyi Donita - Student 
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Quote: And that body will be a body described in Rev. 21:3-4 as: * free from pain * free from sorrow, crying, tears * free from sin * free from death -DM- It is also a popular belief that the new heavens and the new earth where the resurrected believers in Christ will live forever more, people will remember one another and relationships will continue and so on and so forth. Almost as if life never ended, but became infinately better. My studies show me this is not the case which is in direct agreement with what I've quoted about no pain, sorror, crying, tears. I was just wondering what your thoughts on the afterlife were DM. Do you believe that all rememberance of loved ones and friendships will continue when people meet God? _______________ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17 I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her. ...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down.
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Koyi Donita - Student 
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Very good DM. ^^ Your study as far as I can see seems to be quite accurate and in agreement with the scriptures. You touched on these scriptures before I did leaving less work for me as far as posting go and I wholeheartly thank you for your posting. I'm hoping more people can get involved in studying the Bible with us in hopes of getting a great thread going full of truth and meaning for all of us God willing. Thanks again my friend and I'm happy to see you. I will continue posting more in a bit. Just don't want to post too much at a time. _______________ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17 I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her. ...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down.
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DaRtH-MoBiLiTy - Student 
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Alright, here is what my studies on this subject have concluded: Lets look at 1 Thessalonians 4:13-14... The Coming of the Lord (13)Brothers, we do not want you to be ignorant about those who fall asleep, or to grieve like the rest of men, who have no hope. (14)We believe that Jesus died and rose again and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in him. Paul was writing to these believers to instruct them about those who had died. The term "fall asleep" refers to those who had died. Paul doesn’t want those left behind to sorrow as those who have no hope. The reason they don’t have to sorrow as others without hope is that those who have died in the Lord are with Christ. The souls (immaterial part) of departed Christians are with God and Jesus is going to bring them back with Him when He comes for His Church. The rest of Scripture teaches us the same thing: II Corinthians 5:6-8 tells us that when we Christians die, we go immediately to be with God. To be "absent from the body-present with the Lord." Philippians l:23 Paul tells us when we depart from this life, we are with Christ. But not only does the Bible promise the Christian an immediate reception in glory but the Bible Promises the believer a resurrection body. 1 Thessalonians 4:15-16 (15) According to the Lord’s own word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left till the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep. (16) For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. These verses promise that our Christian loved ones will be raised from the dead. These verses teach us that those bodies of Christians who have died will one-day come forth—be resurrected as a new body when Christ comes back. In vs. 16 we see that the souls of the believers (who are now with Christ) will be united with their resurrected bodies at Jesus’ coming for His church. And that body will be a body described in Rev. 21:3-4 as: * free from pain * free from sorrow, crying, tears * free from sin * free from death The Christian’s soul goes immediately to the presence of the Lord. The Christian’s body is left behind until the day the Lord comes back for His church when it will be resurrected into a glorious body and be reunited with the soul. We need not sorrow as others who have no hope for the Christian is promised: an immediate reception in glory; and a resurrection body. Thats my two cents about it... -DM- _______________ One Day, it will all end. |
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Koyi Donita - Student
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Just making a quick post hopefully. Touching on what I left off at, let us look really quickly at Psalm 115 and Job 14 for these two verses hit me pretty hard when reading them. In Psalm 115:17 we read: 17) The dead do not praise the LORD, Nor any who go down into silence. The dead in this scripture has to be refering to the spiritually dead when they die physically. In the next verse we read: 18) But we will bless the LORD from this time forth and forevermore. Praise the LORD! Context is showing two sets of people, ones who will praise God forever more and ones that go down into silence with the word "dead" attached to them. If this word meant physical death which would be for all of us then we all wouldn't praise the Lord upon dying. Again, to be absent in body is to be present with the Lord for the true believer the Bible teaches us taught in 2 Corinthians 6-8. Also in Job 14:10-12 we read: 10) But man dies and is laid away; indeed he breathes his last and where is he? 11) As water disappears from the sea, and a river becomes parched and dries up, 12) So man lies down and does not rise. Till the heavens are no more, they will not awake nor be roused from their sleep. Again, clear verses telling us the condition of the dead or sleeping. The rising can be shown to point towards judgement day when the dead will rise to be judged. So much more to come giving broader depth to these scriptures, but it is late and I would rather the posts be easier to read and digest. I hope and pray that this study will be benefitial to all those who participate in the conversation. May God grant us eyes and ears and a prepared heart for the reading of His Word. May the Lord full of mercy and grace add His blessing to the reading of His Word. Amen. _______________ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17 I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her. ...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down.
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Doran - Student 
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This verse really encapsulates why I am a Christian... Hebrews 3:13 (NIV):But encourage one another daily, as long as it is called Today, so that none of you may be hardened by sin's deceitfulness. I think it is very easy in today's society (especially America) to get hardened by sin. We are a jaded society interested in bad news, death counts, and other things that serve to desensitize us. That's not to say we shouldn't know about those things, but we rarely hear positive things coming out of our media outlets. Lots of divisiveness. |
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Wow, this topic is still active? Impressive. _______________ The Jedi formally known as Ranja. ---------------------- "I can list among my experience and skills: leadership, extensive travel, logistical organization, intimate understanding of firearms, and a knowledge of security measures at numerous banks." - Jesse James |
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Koyi Donita - Student
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I've been so busy lately and I'm sorry for my inactivity with this thread. Just wanted to make quick mention of something to bump the thread. Back on the topic of the dead and what happens to them when they die, I don't believe that the soul dies off like it has been posted earlier. Examples of sleep are/were used to describe the dead, but I'm finding it to have dual meanings in the Bible. The Bible tells us that the sleeping going down into a place of silence and some psalmist praise God or ask not to be accounted with the ones that sleep. Also, the Bible clearly shows us that God told Moses that he would sleep with his ancestors and wouldn't see the promised land. Now when Jesus was transfigured, Elijah and Moses stood there with him showing them to be children of God. They didn't go into a place of silence neither did their souls die because the Bible also tells us that to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord for the true believers. Also Revelation shows us the true believers in God's presence and coming down with Christ on the last day. I'm still working on a full study and hopefully I will be able to post the scriptures to back up everything here. God bless. _______________ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17 I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her. ...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down.
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Koyi Donita - Student
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I found one of the scriptures I was looking for. It's in the middle of scriptures relating to oppression of servants in Deut.24:14-22. In Deut. 24:16 we read: 16) The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin. Also in the book of John, when Jesus was healing a blind man He was asked who's sin brought the blindness upon him. In John 9:2-3 we read: 2) And his disciples ask him, Saying, Master, Who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind? 3) Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him. Spiritually, we all come into this world blind not able to see the message of the gospel. We see the things of the Bible and of God, but do not see them as God does. A perfect example of this can be seen in the Pharasees and Sadusees and even some if not all of our priests and pastors and maybe even our very own selves. We believe we are hearing what God has to say and proclaim it saying Thus saith the Lord when the Lord has not said. Same with our ears/hearing. God in Jesus tells us here that it isn't our sin or anyone elses that causes this spiritual blindness and that there is nothing we can do to fix them. This is set up so the work of God can be revealed in us when salvation comes and He cures our spiritual blindness and deafness. This is what I believe these scriptures speak of. May God add His blessing to the reading of His Word. Amen. _______________ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17 I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her. ...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down.
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Koyi Donita - Student
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Quote: why do you think it is that we must suffer for what Adam and Eve did? Why was their sin so special that it transferred to the rest of humanity for the rest of eternity? My sins dont mean you are punished, why did theirs mean that? A study must be done in order to touch most of the important areas here. I would like to say that I remember the Bible saying thus and so, but I'm too fuzzy on it right now so I won't touch this. I believe [and this is only what I think I remember] the Bible tells us as plain as day that we are responsible for our sins and only our sins. True, Adam and Eve were the mother and father of us all and they were the first in the world and the first to sin. One can pull scriptures out which will look like they damned us all with their sin, but those aren't the only verses about sin and the second death. We will be judged according to our works. All of us in Adam were lead down the road of a sinful nature rather then him damning us all with his sin. Christ is the path or doorway to life. See how those are in opposition with each other? Why else would Jesus call Himself the gate or path? Doesn't really hold much of a spiritual message until it is applied to the creation story. As far as God writting the Bible, I 100% believe that. God tells us that holy men of old spake as God the Holy Spirit moved them and that all Holy scripture was given by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. The chain of command has it's spiritual message showing us the God is the head of Christ or the Word who is the head of the Church as man is the head of woman. [I'll try to find that scripture if I have the time] God commands men to love women as themselves meaning that we are to be equal. People may have failed to read or understand this scripture but it's there written somewhere around 90 A.D. We are to love woman as Christ loved the Church and we should know that story. While yet sinners, Christ gave His live to save the Church [being His elect]. Women are no less then that and the Bible tells us that that is the greatest love when one gives their life for another. The chain was established to end all confusion. If too people, man and wife, were to argue about something, the man should have the final say. If a woman were to love her husband as much as her self and visa versa, it should never come to that because you would want your opinion respected and not trampled but as an end all device, that is why they have the final say. [Just my opinions which aren't backed by scriptures. Don't take them as truth. Either read what scriptures I may post if time allows or search it out for yourselves. ] Take care and God bless. _______________ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17 I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her. ...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down.
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Gil-Galad - Student 
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Quote: In any case, mankind is doomed from it's rebellion with this just being the opening story of it all. We can all thank Satan for that suggestion but I'm sure that we probably would have messed things up at some point or another. God has given us the story which has a spiritual lesson I'm sure. An honest question here Koyi, and I understand you may not have the answer. I am aware that the majority of christians believe the 'fall' to be symbolic, and I understand why, and I can kind of see what they are referring to. However, as a fundamentalist, why do you think it is that we must suffer for what Adam and Eve did? Why was their sin so special that it transferred to the rest of humanity for the rest of eternity? My sins dont mean you are punished, why did theirs mean that? _______________ |JAA| since 02/05/06 Green for life |
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Aayla Secura - Ex-Student 
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I found the Bible is just down as much to interpretation as actually words. And if you believe the bible to wholly be written by God which I’m sensing you do, nothing wrong with that – Has its advantages. But personally see the Bible written by Mortals loosely guided by God and therefore human prejudice therefore by default seeped into the Bible. Now I’m not saying to rewrite the Bible; but for some understanding that parts of the Bible could be incorrect, not because God was wrong, because he never wrote it (but gave the lesson we must learn from it, Woman are not lesser, but that Human's are sometimes subject to doing Wrong), but because of the weaknesses of Humans. There are two creation stories – why was Adam and Eve needed? (That’s going into Church’s views of Women NOT Gods) Even then the other creation story women are called Wo-Men – the very name is derived from men. Many people would see that sexism, but I believe it was needed due to the times the Bible was written in, but failure to keep up with present ideals is quite blatantly pushing people away from Religion. Now many would argue its society that is wrong not the Bible – but what I have found is that society only challenges out dated prejudices within the Bible. Wasn’t Jesus seen as wrong because he challenged the ideals of the Jewish Religion? While he was alive? Saying to love one other? Now I’m not saying feminists are sons or daughters of God in that sense, but He changed what was wrong – that is all I see feminist theologians are trying to do. _______________ IN UR FACE I'M NOT BLONDE! This comment was edited by Aayla Secura on Mar 03 2005 08:59am. |
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Koyi Donita - Student
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Quote: To be honest after only studying religion and philosophy for a year I can easily say I want nothing to do with any religion, Adam and Eve, basically to put woman in their plac (subservient and lesser to men) I can see where this story and the whole idea's behind it can upset a great many people, but that isn't all the Bible says on that issue. It tells us that men are supposed to love their wives as Christ loved the Church. To love them as themselves and the same for the woman. The chain of command was established to show us something spiritual, but man took it to a whole different level spotted with ugly disrespect. I could see the early church age being to blame for that where people where Bible banging trying to feel out religion for both God and themselves. It is taught in the Bible that a woman should keep silent in a church never having authority to teach over man and learn from their husbands. This type of teaching or practice can easily be blown out of wack with foolish male pride and could have been the cause for some of the sexist behavior in our country. The world [alot of different cultures] from what I have been taught pretty much kept the same practice of men being greater then women. Maybe physical strength plays a part in this? Men suck. Quote: Eve herself was never told not to eat to apple, if you notice; but that’s another issue, another out dated and unneeded prejudice. In fact we are just doing feminism theology. We also don't have a play by play of all discussions from the beginning throughout the story. To think anything more or less then what God wrote for us wouldn't be a very wise thing to do. I would imagine Adam telling her [she did tell the serpent that they weren't to eat of that tree], but pure speculation and an unprofitable idea I'm sure. In any case, mankind is doomed from it's rebellion with this just being the opening story of it all. We can all thank Satan for that suggestion but I'm sure that we probably would have messed things up at some point or another. God has given us the story which has a spiritual lesson I'm sure. _______________ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17 I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her. ...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down.
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Aayla Secura - Ex-Student
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To be honest after only studying religion and philosophy for a year I can easily say I want nothing to do with any religion, Adam and Eve, basically to put woman in their plac (subservient and lesser to men) Eve herself was never told not to eat to apple, if you notice; but that’s another issue, another out dated and unneeded prejudice. In fact we are just doing feminism theology. _______________ IN UR FACE I'M NOT BLONDE! This comment was edited by Aayla Secura on Mar 02 2005 09:32am. |
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Gil-Galad - Student
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Quote: we? we killed Jesus? I've never even seen him. Ancient Italians i.e. Romans,Where thought to have executed Jesus of Nazerus?(spelling?).They where the only ones I know to crucify people.So we suffer damnation because of the stupidy of an ancient and fearful goverment? Yup, for more material of this nature see: Adam and Eve. _______________ |JAA| since 02/05/06 Green for life |
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Plo Koon - Student 
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Quote: Hmm, If God can do whatever he wants, and change anything he wants in a shorter time than one-one millionth of a nano-second wouldn't he end all suffering? Sorry to jump back a bit, but I saw this, and it reminded me of a discussion a bit earlier. Someone in the discussion literally said: "Ah, but who says God hasn't stopped caring after we killed his son?" Generally, that's a good question. Jesus may have risen from the grave, but still, we executed someone who brought us a message of love. I think we can/could expect a certain form of anger for this, in any case. What are your thoughts about it, people? we? we killed Jesus? I've never even seen him. Ancient Italians i.e. Romans,Where thought to have executed Jesus of Nazerus?(spelling?).They where the only ones I know to crucify people.So we suffer damnation because of the stupidy of an ancient and fearful goverment? _______________ Free Tibet! Click this link,and learn Here too |
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Jo_Mintaka - Student 
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YAY! bible study! awesome! one of the reasons for me coming to the JA is because every other server was cussing and i hated it,until i found the jedi academy! now i can relax knowing that no one will cuss! HURRAY! _______________ Joined Jan 27 2005 [Owner of Pink Floyd's 525th, 1100th and 4002nd comments! Darth Mike's accidental 999 and 1001 comments! addiat's 1975 comment! |
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Koyi Donita - Student
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Quote: Why deny philosophy? Where would human civilization be without philosophy? I feel God gave us free will so we could figure our religion and civilization out on our own. When we messed up, he sent Jesus to right our religious wrongs. Honestly if you want a good insight to the Catholic faith mixed with a bit of humor watch Dogma, they did their homework on that Only problem I see with this is some of our well thought out philosophies could work against the Word of God. I'm sure not all philosophy is bad, but if it conflicts with the Bible, I would stay away from it. About God and free will is a tough subject, but I would like to point to the book of John on this one. In John maybe chapter two or three, (I don't have my Bible handy and I'm late for work) Nicodemus approached Jesus ask a few questions and it is a very curious conversation because it appears as if the two of them weren't understanding one another. Anyhow, I believe that Jesus tells him in order to enter the kingdom of God, one must become born again or reborn. Nicodemus asks if he must enter into his mothers womb again and Jesus tells him that he must be reborn of water and spirit. Water can be shown to be the gospel and the Spirit is God's Holy Spirit working within us to will and to do of His good pleasure. This is further outlined in the first charpter of John when God tells us that his sons and daughters are born not of the flesh, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. Free will, to a certain degree is an illusion. Sure we can chose this and that, but God tells us in Romans that not one is righteous, no, not one and no one seeks after Him so when it comes to believing and worshipping God, the ball appears to be totally in His court. All we can do is humbly ask if we can play too and hope His grace is sufficent enough to add us to His team. We've done great studies on this in the past although I'm sure its really buried.  This is just my interpretation of the Bible and I will be more then willing to post the actual scriptures if anybody wants me to. Also, I saw Dogma and it was a rather funny movie, however, I don't agree with the Catholic interpretation of the Bible along with their extra books, doctrines, confessions, and practices. At best, that movie was taking blind stabs at the most tender parts of the faith without really searching out the truth. Like the whole "What is bound on earth will be bound in heaven" scriptures. Those have been translated horribly wrong from what I have heard, (haven't had the time or proper study to search it out myself). Them making God something physical and goofy wasn't cool to my taste either. I will go as far as to call it some classic Jay and Silent Bob action though. _______________ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17 I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her. ...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down.
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Quote: "No where is it ever said in the Bible that God gave man an eternal soul" This is what made me realize why the Christian faith is so seperated. I find that statement, in my opinion, totally wrong. If man has no eternal soul, what is the purpose of His kingdom? If God never gave man an eternal soul, then why would he send his Son to save us? Why would he send his Son to judge us? If you believe in Jesus Christ, as I'm sure most of the Christian faith generally does, how could such a statement be correct in any form? It can't, I don't mean to sound like I'm shooting down your opinion (whoever or wherever this came from) but that sounds so wrong to me. Can you see where I'm coming from anyone? Also Quote: 8) Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. Why deny philosophy? Where would human civilization be without philosophy? I feel God gave us free will so we could figure our religion and civilization out on our own. When we messed up, he sent Jesus to right our religious wrongs. Honestly if you want a good insight to the Catholic faith mixed with a bit of humor watch Dogma, they did their homework on that _______________ Ω Allehelgens Død Helveds Rike Ω This comment was edited by Sauron-the-rasta-mon on Feb 24 2005 03:10pm. |
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Doran - Student
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Had a great bible study tonight. We are in a 3 month class on financial management, and the Bible's word on finances. Over 2300 references to finances in the Bible! Our verse to memorize this week was in regards to counsel: Proverbs: 12:15 "The way of a fool is right to him, but a wise man listens to advice." (NIV) The fellowship and sharing has been fantastic. Praise God! |
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Koyi Donita - Student
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I agree with Smily here and I would just like to add that the scriptures tell us: In Colossians 2:8 & 9 we read: 8) Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. 9) For in him dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead bodily. Also in Luke 23:33 & 34 we read: 33) And when they were come to the place, which is called Calvary, there they crucified him, and the malefactors, one on the right hand, and the other on the left. 34) Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots. With these two verses in mind it is my belief that Jesus being the fullness of the Godhead bodily and asking for some type of mercy toward the people who crucified Him may not, (I'm not saying will not), hold them accountable for the events that took place that day. Those things were prophicied about for hundreds, maybe thousands of years before they actually happened and they had to happen in order to fulfill the scriptures. These individuals will still be held accountable for the rest of there lives, but Jesus asking for their forgiveness shows me that those people had to do those things and may not have drawn any greater degree of wrath upon themselves by doing them. The remaining sin before and after the crucifixion would still be accountable unless they became saved which the Bible gives no evidance of as far as I know. _______________ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17 I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her. ...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down.
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Smilykrazy - Retired 
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Ya we did execute Jesus Christ, the son of God. But from my reading and understanding, Jesus came into the world to pay for the sins of his people. He gave his life so that we may live eternally. I believe that if the people that did execute Jesus were sinners and were not true believers and or some of Gods chosen people, then yes they will suffer Gods anger and rage in hell. But for all of humanity to suffer because of those actions, I dont think is true. Everyone is responsible for their own actions and I understand that God will treat everyone accordingly. Just my ideas and understanding _______________ RIP MOM 06/29/58-07/31/08 Married to Koyi Donita 4/30/11 |
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Bail Hope of Belouve - Student 
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Quote: Hmm, If God can do whatever he wants, and change anything he wants in a shorter time than one-one millionth of a nano-second wouldn't he end all suffering? Sorry to jump back a bit, but I saw this, and it reminded me of a discussion a bit earlier. Someone in the discussion literally said: "Ah, but who says God hasn't stopped caring after we killed his son?" Generally, that's a good question. Jesus may have risen from the grave, but still, we executed someone who brought us a message of love. I think we can/could expect a certain form of anger for this, in any case. What are your thoughts about it, people? _______________ Visit the Belouve Family Website! Quote: I try to have fun with my friends and try to make a difference as best I can. What does making a difference mean? Well, it can be as simple as saying hello, answering a question that seems obvious or heck, just talking. -- Vladarion
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Koyi Donita - Student
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Okay, just a quick comment without any scripture. I read through the track about death that the Jehova's gave me and I read some of what was posted below, (please forgive me for I am very busy ). Basically, from what I gather from what I read, they believe that once the body dies the soul dies too. I'll post more later, but the track specifically states, "No where is it ever said in the Bible that God gave man an eternal soul". The scriptures that were offered up tried to support this idea and pointed to the resurrection as to what we should look forward to for our new life. I hate to call on people, but since scripture was offered up earlier in this thread I was just wondering if this belief is held by your too CynGuard? I'll read up some more and collect my thoughts and we'll discuss this further in a little bit. Thank you ahead of time for your participation. _______________ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17 I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her. ...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down.
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WingZero - Student |
People refuse to think that and want to blame God for what has happenned throughout the years since the time of David and beyond. _______________ "I'm on a highway to hell, but on the highway i see a stairway to heaven. The i felt like knockin' on heaven's door, now Jesus is taking me down to the Paradise City" -WingZer0 "She asked,'Do you feel alright?' and i said ' Yeah I feel wonderful tonight'" -"Wonderful Tonight" by Eric Clapton |
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