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Koyi Donita - Student  |
Yep. Here it is. My first offical Forum and of course it's about my favorite topic, The Bible. Basically, I would like this to be an open forum based on the Bible and the truths held with in. If anyone has any Biblical truths that they would like to share with everyone, I ask for you to please put it up on the table as we will all search for truth in God's Word. If anyone has any questions, maybe collectively we may be able to help them through the Bible God willing. I only ask that if you have no faith or have nothing constructive to post, please respect my wishes and just ignore this forum. All questions from non-believers are welcome as long as you seriously seek God's truth. May God bless us all through his wonderful Word. Quote: For those of you who like, this site has every translation. Plus search, studies, GREAT RESOURCE The Bible Gateway -DM- Thank you Darth Mobility.  _______________ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17 I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her. ...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down.  This post was edited by Koyi Donita on Apr 30 2005 05:38pm. |
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Smilykrazy - Retired 
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Now just to clarify things. About the homosexuality discussion. Us as humans have the right to think and feel as we wish about homosexuals. Do I have an issue with gay people, no I dont. They have a right to be who they are 100%. It seems to me that most of you feel the same way. However this is a bible study thread. I only ask that if you post your opinion here, please use scripture to back up your beliefs because this forum is a thread where we can try and discover truth from the bible. Darth Mobility and Quesi are the only ones really with scriptures and are trying to seek the truth. I think it would benefit more people to have some scriptures here as opposed to the "I think this and that" comments. The bottom line is the bible states that homosexuality is wrong in Gods eyes. He is the judge not us. So if you feel its right or wrong, thats up to you. But God is the judge and he will judge those kinds of people as so. Just my $.02. _______________ RIP MOM 06/29/58-07/31/08 Married to Koyi Donita 4/30/11 This comment was edited by Smilykrazy on Jan 08 2005 11:51am. |
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Smilykrazy - Retired 
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Gil Gilad can you answer me this? What do you base your opinions on? Your own thoughts? So do you feel that your thoughts are superior to almighty Gods word? If so im scared for you my friend.  _______________ RIP MOM 06/29/58-07/31/08 Married to Koyi Donita 4/30/11 |
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Gil-Galad - Student 
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DM, your last comment just highlights to me how following the bible can be an easy way out. An easy way out of thinking for yourself and making your own decisions about what is right and wrong, and how you should live your life. As a humanist, I believe that we should make our on moral decisions based on rational thinking about the effects of our actions on other people. The idea of calling something wrong just because its in a book is alien to me, especially when you almost certainly spend your life picking and choosing which biblical sins to avoid. I would think its a lot easier to hate someone because they are different than to follow most of the other rules in the bible. If the bible says all homosexuals should be killed, then why dont you get to it? Or can the bible be wrong? _______________ |JAA| since 02/05/06 Green for life |
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Kay Matar - Student 
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The Word says "don't judge and you won't be" (sorry, i'm frenchspeaking, therefore when I read The Bible, I read it in french. Feel free to correct me anytime on quotes). I know gay people, I had a gay co-worker and he was one of the nicest person i ever met, we can't judge him. still we shouldn't get homophobic and get all crazy because some is gay, "love each others like I love you all" ?...that's what I think. Maybe it is wrong ? But I won't judge, never _______________ Former Senior Padawan to Luke Skywalker, Aquainted to SmilyKrazy, Koyi Donita, Virtue, Mace Windu ...Friend to (SKX)Dark Blade, Jello'/ If I forgot you come and hit me ! |
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DaRtH-MoBiLiTy - Student 
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You know, honestly I have gay friends too, love em'. Not an issue there. I just try to judge things by the Word. That way it is not MY OPINION formed cause I am a jerk or something. Dont get me wrong, because I have my things too. But this thread is about the Bible and studying it. And what I have posted strictly lines up with the Word and that is the end of it. But I personally dont have anything against gay's, at all. And as far atonement, it falls in line with the same way everything else does. God does save, deliver and heal, but you have to want it. Thats all. -DM- _______________ One Day, it will all end. |
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Acey Spadey - Student 
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how would a homosexual atone for this "sin" then? do they force themselves not to like the same sex? when its a decision of the heart body mind and soul. I work with a gay guy and he's a great bloke to have as a friend. Also are "homosexuals" judged by how they appear in media. queer eye for a straight guy. or is it a sin to portray a gay guy within a movie. [that kevin kline movie ( forgot the name of it)]. _______________ .Lag Bro to Xanatos. Adopted Twin to Bubu. Big-Brother to SmilyKrazy ---- JATSRAD Guru, JASE Member, JA SP Mod Staff ---- The Order of the Stick -- Big thanks to Mango for my avatar -- Quote: Sometimes you've got to specifically go out of your way to get into trouble. It's called fun.
Quote: (Random hella old quote) <Fizz of Belouve> .. in sovjet russia, cereals spit at YOU!
Quote: whats the point of growing up, if your not allowed to act childish!
Padawan - Henkes
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DaRtH-MoBiLiTy - Student
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I judge the sin not the sinner and regardless of what ANYONE says, homosexuality is a sin and an abomination. But no sin is greater than another, but committing a sin and recognizing that sin, and asking for forgivness is different then wrapping an entire lifestyle around it which most homosexuals do, at least the ones I know, and I know alot of them. Great friends with them too, just for the record. But it is sinful and un-natural and I will never accept it as normal, ever. But I will love the person, period. -DM- _______________ One Day, it will all end. This comment was edited by DaRtH-MoBiLiTy on Jan 07 2005 09:34pm. |
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Bubu - Hubbub 
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The thing with homosexuality that gets to me is when the state gets involved. Does the government have the right to judge whether it's right or wrong? I thought only God had that right, if he exists. _______________ make install -not war |
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Gil-Galad - Student
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A good question Orion. Another is that animals constantly engage in homosexual activity, so how can it be said that its not natural? _______________ |JAA| since 02/05/06 Green for life This comment was edited by Gil-Galad on Jan 07 2005 05:09pm. |
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Orion - Retired 
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My question is this, what if they prove homosexuality is a genetic mutation or defect, its not by ones choice its mearly how they were born due to their genetic make up. Is that person still damned for all eternity even though they have no say in the matter? If so I find that asinine. My opinion on homosexuality, I don't care, its your life. Live it how it makes you happy. _______________ When a Man lies he murder's some part of the world. These are the pale deaths which men misscall there lives. All this I cannot bear to witness any longer. Cannot the kingdom of salvation take me home? -Cliff Burton Owner of Smily's 1900th comment | <Lady_Catherine> i love your sexy white socks! | (Lady_Catherine) i adore u! | (Lady_Catherine) onion (Lady_Catherine) i lub u |
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Bubu - Hubbub 
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Anyone seen the movie Dogma? *ducks and covers his head* _______________ make install -not war |
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Quesi - Student 
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Acey, a few posts down might answer some of your questions. But in short, homosexuality is listed as a sin in the Bible (Leviticus 18:22). No, it is not any worse of a sin than any of the others listed (I wrote a little bit about this a few days ago on new year's eve). We shouldnt look at whether a sin is worse or better than another sin, because at the end of the day, it doesnt matter. According to the Bible, we shouldnt commit them at all. Love itself is along a sliding scale, and I think we all know we love our mother or father in a different way to our girlfriend/boyfriend/husband/wife, etc. Jesus loved his fellow disciples as friends, and loved their companionship. You surely must have friends who you love, although you would never admit to it :p What is my own view on homosexuality? My view is that were not made to be that way. Man goes with woman. Man does not go with man, woman does not go with woman - that is the way the world goes. For those of you science driven people out there, this is a consistent trend and is the reason for the growth of mankind. Single sex relationships cannot result in reproduction. And if it does, I don't think its within natural or moral bounds. As for Adam and Eve, Adam probably was a bit angry at Eve for giving him the apple. However, notice that Adam was quick to blame Eve for eating the fruit, as actually taking the fruit and eating it was entirely his own choice, yet he fails to see his own faults. _______________ "Your powers are weak old man" || Part of the "Fifth Element Appreciation Society" || Proud possession of Flash [Jacen_Aratan] bleh [Jacen_Aratan] last year of school :p [Jacen_Aratan] after the finals I am freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee [Jacen_Aratan] until I have to go on more advanced education [Jacen_Aratan] [Acey_Spadey] like kindergarten(Bubu) my sister was quite good actually.. never expected her to be so good (Gradius) yeah, she's great |
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Gil-Galad - Student
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It does say that it is a sin in the bible, but no more of a sin than wearing nylon  _______________ |JAA| since 02/05/06 Green for life This comment was edited by Gil-Galad on Jan 07 2005 01:16pm. |
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Acey Spadey - Student
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heres a curious thought.. not meant to offend or anything if it does.. just a stray thought.. by the bible (correct me if I'm wrong of course) it specified that Adam only consumed some of the evil apple cause Eve had taken a bite herself and offered it to him... could it be that Adam was annoyed or angered to eve for what she did? and what is it about homosexuality that is so wrong. one man cannot love another? yet jesus was surrounded by 13 men. did he not love them? if its the "sexual" side of it. Doesn't the church frown on sex in general? if they don't.. why do priests take a vow of celibacy? or is there a specific line within the bible in which it stats one should not have sexual relations with another of the same sex? also if it was such a "great sin" why wasn't it one of the commandments? just some thoughts.. oh yeah *steals smily's chocolate* _______________ .Lag Bro to Xanatos. Adopted Twin to Bubu. Big-Brother to SmilyKrazy ---- JATSRAD Guru, JASE Member, JA SP Mod Staff ---- The Order of the Stick -- Big thanks to Mango for my avatar -- Quote: Sometimes you've got to specifically go out of your way to get into trouble. It's called fun.
Quote: (Random hella old quote) <Fizz of Belouve> .. in sovjet russia, cereals spit at YOU!
Quote: whats the point of growing up, if your not allowed to act childish!
Padawan - Henkes
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Smilykrazy - Retired
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Gil I dont mind if people are homosexual. I am not one to judge other peoples actions. But the bible does state that its against Gods wishes and it is a sin. But since you dont believe in the bible I find it hard to back up this belief for I do believe in the bible 100%. _______________ RIP MOM 06/29/58-07/31/08 Married to Koyi Donita 4/30/11 |
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Gil-Galad - Student 
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Yes homosexual or gay is generally fine I think. And they never liked being called queers to the best of my knowledge. Do you have a reason for feeling so strongly about it apart from the bibles condemnation of it? Have you considered the only reason its in the bible is because the people who wrote the bible felt that way about homosexuals? _______________ |JAA| since 02/05/06 Green for life |
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DaRtH-MoBiLiTy - Student
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Sorry, did not mean to be offensive. Not that I care about being politcally correct, but in my mind, Black is Black - White is White - Gravy is Gravy and Queers are Queers. I could be like God and call them an abomination, but I chose a slightly less damning term. When did they decide they did not want to be called queers anyways? Should I use homosexual or gay? I am from USA, btw. A land where the ACLU is on the rise and no matter what you say or think, someone, somewhere is going to be offended. But I apologize just the same. I dont aim to offend anyone at anytime. -DM- _______________ One Day, it will all end. This comment was edited by DaRtH-MoBiLiTy on Jan 07 2005 12:07am. |
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Gil-Galad - Student
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Faith can be a very productive thing, I would not criticise your decision to take that leap of faith. The only problem I have is the dangerous and immoral beliefs that following the bible or other holy books can cause. A good example being regarding homosexuals (not "queers" by the way DM, I'm not sure about where you live, but in Britain thats a very offensive term). Believing Jesus was the son of God is one thing. Believing that all homosexuals or followers of other religions will all burn in hell is another. Another that causes immense suffering across the world. _______________ |JAA| since 02/05/06 Green for life This comment was edited by Gil-Galad on Jan 06 2005 10:36pm. |
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Quesi - Student 
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Of course that point is always the one in contention; it is all a matter of whether you believe it or not. I choose to believe. I recommend a book to you. It is called 'Who moved the stone?' by Frank Morrison. A very interesting study, if you care to read it, I'd love to hear your opinions Why do I choose to believe? Simple word: faith. In my faith I am made right with God. As for the actual belief in God, check out what's around you right now and i fail to believe it all to be coincidence. Life must have a deeper and true meaning than just existence and then non-existence. As for the Bible, it is a guidebook to God's theme park. Also, I think you'll agree, what the Bible says is generally moral and good in its teachings for everyone. I just take that to a higher level with my faith. _______________ "Your powers are weak old man" || Part of the "Fifth Element Appreciation Society" || Proud possession of Flash [Jacen_Aratan] bleh [Jacen_Aratan] last year of school :p [Jacen_Aratan] after the finals I am freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee [Jacen_Aratan] until I have to go on more advanced education [Jacen_Aratan] [Acey_Spadey] like kindergarten(Bubu) my sister was quite good actually.. never expected her to be so good (Gradius) yeah, she's great |
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Gil-Galad - Student
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A. God is benevolent. B. God is omnipotent. C. A benevolent being seeks to eliminate suffering. D. An omnipotent being has the capability to eliminate suffering. E. Following from C & D, if an omnipotent and benevolent being existed, there would be no suffering. F. There is suffering in the world. G. Therefore, no benevolent and omnipotent being exists. H.Therefore, God does not exist. Im not saying its right, but peoples thoughts? _______________ |JAA| since 02/05/06 Green for life This comment was edited by Gil-Galad on Jan 06 2005 09:18pm. |
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Gil-Galad - Student
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Quesi: there are several reasons why someone would write that book that I can think of, and of them the least likely one is divine inspiration. I agree their are some things in the bible that are fact. I agree there probably was a man named Jesus crucified. It may well have been because he went around telling everyone he was the son of God. Whether or not he was is the crucial point, and the one in contention. Also, whether the bible says homosexuality is immoral or not doesn't matter in the slightest to me. I have a mind of my own, and can therefore see that there is nothing wrong with a man sleeping with another man. If you can give me any good reason to think there is except for 'god says so' then I will rethink my opinion on that. SmilyKrazy: I used to believe in God. Now I dont, and I am now a humanist. The things that back up my beliefs are science, the things anyone can see going on around them, and common sense. I dont need a book written over hundreds of years, full of hypocricy and superstition to tell me how to act or to be a good person. I can care about other people for the sake of caring about them, not because a book tells me to. And no I dont believe that there is no afterlife, I just think I have no reason to say that I know what happens after we die, and nor does anyone else. A question, just out of curiosity, why do you believe in God? And why do you believe the bible is anything more than just a book? _______________ |JAA| since 02/05/06 Green for life |
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DaRtH-MoBiLiTy - Student 
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oh and just briefly on the Queer issue..... Romans 1:24-32: 24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: 25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. 26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet. 28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; 29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, 30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: 32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. OH AND........  The idea that we will percieve from this is that, the subjectees and the watchers are all doomed. The very act or sight is an abomination and, though you may believe in God, you are a God hater! Doesn't leave you with much choice does it? But let's look at this: You shall not lie with man as one lies with a women; this is an abomination. Leviticus 18:22 If a man also lie with mankind as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they should surely be put to death. Leviticus 20:13 Pretty Hard core... -DM- _______________ One Day, it will all end. |
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Quesi - Student
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I am not one to judge. I would not want to impose my beliefs upon them, unless asked. Jesus said check out the plank in your own eye before you poke at the splinter in somebody else's. Besides that, all people deserve their own time to form their belief in what is right and wrong, and how they want to lead their lives. And being gay isn't any worse of a sin than a number of other sins, and as we all know, all sins are equally forgiveable with God's grace and mercy, if asked for. I finally will add my comment about the Tsunami. To start off, I want to say, God despairs over and hates evil. Check out Noah's flood in Genesis - God was even sorry he made us at one point. None of us are perfect human beings, and equally none of us can answer to him. We could debate eternally and never truly know God's will, that is, until (or if) we finally make our way up into our next life with God. I'm not going to argue with any of you, we are all entitled to our opinions, and it would be a fruitless exercise to try and sway the opinions the others when such a disaster has arised. What I would like to comment on is the unity it has brought among the people of the world. I think it is a wake up call for us all, we need to value our time in this life. I personally thank God now that I am living and breathing right here, right now. We all have questions that demand answers, that is ultimately our drive in life. All I can say is, be prepared. As a Christian, I believe death is not the end. Death is a hard thing for us to take and understand. On the face of it, we are all too quick to despair and not see the bigger picture. God has plans for us all. No man or woman on this earth is entirely innocent, we are all are at God's mercy, true, but we can ALL be saved. And what does God plan for us all? 1 Corinthians 15 : 20-26 'But Christ has truly been raised from the dead - the first one, and proof that those who sleep in death will also be raised. Death has come because of what one man did, but the rising from death also comes because of one man. In Adam all of us die. In the same way, in Christ all of us will be made alive again. But everyone will be raised to life in the right order. Christ was first to be raised. When Christ comes again, those who belong to him will be raised to life, and then the end will come. At that time Christ will destroy all rulers, authorities and powers, and he will hand over the kingdom of God to God the Father. Christ must rule until he puts all his enemies under his control. The last enemy to be destroyed will be death.' What is life? Life is an oppurtunity given by God to do what we please, such as we have freewill. When we encounter a natural disaster such as this tsunami, we unite, we fight for our well being. God never made the road to be easy going. As a Christian, I await with anticipation for what the Lord will bring. Rest assured, those people who died, those with good hearts and minds and truly believed have something better now than they ever had in this life. All I can say is, what awaits us all is not Life after Death, but Death before our future life. If we are all prepared, what a wonderful thing that will be _______________ "Your powers are weak old man" || Part of the "Fifth Element Appreciation Society" || Proud possession of Flash [Jacen_Aratan] bleh [Jacen_Aratan] last year of school :p [Jacen_Aratan] after the finals I am freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee [Jacen_Aratan] until I have to go on more advanced education [Jacen_Aratan] [Acey_Spadey] like kindergarten(Bubu) my sister was quite good actually.. never expected her to be so good (Gradius) yeah, she's great |
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DaRtH-MoBiLiTy - Student
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(Matthew 24:3-7) 3As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. “Tell us,” they said, “when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?” 4Jesus answered: “Watch out that no one deceives you. 5For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am the Christ,[a]’ and will deceive many. 6You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. 7Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. 8All these are the beginning of birth pains. (2 Timothy 3:1-5) "But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come. For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good, traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God, having a form of godliness, but denying its power" (2 Timothy 3:1-5). Sounds like today to me..... -DM- _______________ One Day, it will all end. |
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Smilykrazy - Retired
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Gil-Gilad do you believe in God? Just curious because by your post it does not seem so. If you dont believe in the bible then you really dont have anything to back up your beliefs. The only way to know the true word of God is to read his book. I mean dont you see? God has given us a great gift! He didnt have to give us anything at all. We could all be lost people living our lives with no clue as to what the future holds after this life. Or maybe you are one of those people that believe there is nothing after death. _______________ RIP MOM 06/29/58-07/31/08 Married to Koyi Donita 4/30/11 This comment was edited by Smilykrazy on Jan 06 2005 08:41pm. |
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