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Koyi Donita - Student  |
Yep. Here it is. My first offical Forum and of course it's about my favorite topic, The Bible. Basically, I would like this to be an open forum based on the Bible and the truths held with in. If anyone has any Biblical truths that they would like to share with everyone, I ask for you to please put it up on the table as we will all search for truth in God's Word. If anyone has any questions, maybe collectively we may be able to help them through the Bible God willing. I only ask that if you have no faith or have nothing constructive to post, please respect my wishes and just ignore this forum. All questions from non-believers are welcome as long as you seriously seek God's truth. May God bless us all through his wonderful Word. Quote: For those of you who like, this site has every translation. Plus search, studies, GREAT RESOURCE The Bible Gateway -DM- Thank you Darth Mobility.  _______________ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17 I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her. ...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down.  This post was edited by Koyi Donita on Apr 30 2005 05:38pm. |
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solitude - Jedi Council 
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well, the dutch means not to kill, and the chinese also not to kill (i read both, a bit ) however, it xdiffers in the englisjh translations and i was hoping someone read hebrew and could read the jewish original thanks though DM _______________ Joined 16 October 2004 | Retired 10 April 2005 | Returned 05 June 2008 | Made Staff 27 June 2008 | Made Council 18 January 2009 Padawan To Odan-Wei Belouve | Adopted into the Belouve family | Twin to xAnAtOs | Owner of the 4th Quesi sexy badge Brother To Roan Belouve, Nomad, Majno, Silkmonkey, Kensei and Jarhok Belouve
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DaRtH-MoBiLiTy - Student 
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I actually like the Chinese Version Exodus 20:13 不 可 殺 人 。  Ukranian Bible says: 13 Не вбивай! And of course the Dutch say: 13 Du sollst nicht töten. But as for God, I beleive he was referring to MURDER. -DM- Feh Kaz, Sorry my brain hurts now. I celebrate Christmas because I like too, not cause I am commanded to. I like the idea that we reserve it for family, giving, worshiping together, and most of all to teach my kids that Christ is the reason for the celebration, not Gifts. SO, my celebration is Human, not spiritual, however my family and I always bake a birthday cake and sing happy birthday to Jesus. Just what we do. ...and thanks for the cookie. -DM- _______________ One Day, it will all end. This comment was edited by DaRtH-MoBiLiTy on Dec 09 2004 10:52pm. |
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Kaz - Student 
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yey DM XD u get a cookie so, do u not feel that if it is not mentioned in the bible we should celebrate it? Ecclesiastes 7:1 says "A name is better than good oil, and the day of death than the day of one's being born.' Just to briefly break that scripture up a bit, the 'name' of course does not literally mean John, or Mike, but what that name stands for, i.e the sort of person he/she is/was, what he or she did, and the sort of 'name' so to speak he or she made for themselves. So then, with this in mind, the rest of the verse falls into place. 'and the day of death, better than the day of one's being born'. A born baby is realy nothing. Granted, the scriptures do say that God truly values that baby as something precious, but, the point is, that baby has not made a name for itself. On the day of your death though, people reflect over your life and see what you have done, and remember you. Your life is what is important, not ur being born. In the case of Jesus, his birth meant nothing in comparison to his death. Why keep remembering Christ Jesus as a helpless child? This does not give him the fully glory and respect that a kind deserves. Whenever refering to christ in heaven, we get the image of an extrmemly wise king, not some helpless baby in a manger. Now forgetting christmas as christmas, and merely refering to it as a birthday, no where in the bible does it report favourably of people celebrating their birthday. It is a pagan festival like Christmas which Christians have never been commanded to uphold. There is infact, 2 examples of birthdays in the bible. 1 at Genesis 40:20-22 (pharoah's)and one at Matthew 14:6-10 (Herod's) and neither are viewed favourably. Jumping a bit to the history of birthdays, the gving of gifts and presents and the congratluating the birthday person was all part of 'protecting the celebrant from the demons and to ensure his security for the coming year- superstitous attitudes, and the bible does condemn all things linked to superstition On a final note, the later Hebrews viewed the celebrating of birthdays as a form of idolatrous worship. So overall, how can celbrating of Jesus birth be right? Birthdays are stooped in superstition, christians were never told to celebrate them, and infact, birthdays were once viewed as an idolatrous form of worship- something that God most deffiently forbids. |
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solitude - Jedi Council 
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I have a question. in the ten commandments, is the commandment 'Thou shalt not kill' or 'thou shalt not murder' the different editions that i read say different things. which translation is right, as the difference in the words meanings is pretty significant. _______________ Joined 16 October 2004 | Retired 10 April 2005 | Returned 05 June 2008 | Made Staff 27 June 2008 | Made Council 18 January 2009 Padawan To Odan-Wei Belouve | Adopted into the Belouve family | Twin to xAnAtOs | Owner of the 4th Quesi sexy badge Brother To Roan Belouve, Nomad, Majno, Silkmonkey, Kensei and Jarhok Belouve
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DaRtH-MoBiLiTy - Student 
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Oh, and to just quickly address the whole, "Bible was written by man so it is failable" theory. Here is my opinion. Lets just say for the sake of argument that the ORIGINAL TEXT was the "True Word of God". And now people say that man has jacked it all up and now it does not resemble the true text and that man has changed it to suit thier own agendas. Here is my problem with that: If the Bible is supposed to be the Word of God, and it was written to give all of us Christians in the future a guide on how to live and contained in that text was written the way to be saved and what he wants us to do, then in my opinion, there is absolutely NO WAY that God would let man, ( whom he created ) screw all that up for the rest of us. ABSOLUTELY NO WAY See, the Word says God is Just and Fair. There is NO WAY I am going to stand in front of him one day, and he says to me, "Well sorry Moby, the Bible you studied was wrong cause some jack ass back 300 years ago screwed it all up, SORRY"! No way, it would not happen. In addition, I have the greek inner-linear Bible that has the greek on one page and the NIV on the other, then there is the translation, and every page that i have viewed is the SAME, just translated in to more modern WORDS, thats it. So this argument really holds no water with me, cause I doubted it myself years ago until I did the study. If you have never doubted anything, you have never really beleived it, so this is a good exercize, for sure, but do not let it cloud Truth. -DM- _______________ One Day, it will all end. |
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Bail Hope of Belouve - Student 
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Edit: My post was written at the same time as Darth Mobility's, to clear up any confusion first of all, I don't think there are any (probably wrong of me) scriptures that say this. I think we celebrate Christmas as a sign of banning out the darkness, a day of Hope, in which a beacon of light was lit during the darkness. I don't think we have to, but I think we do to remind people that there is always hope, no matter how bad the situation. Am looking forward to this discussion Oh and Koyi, I'll post my thoughts about our last thing a bit later, don't have time now Note: They are not offensive, so forgive me if I sounded like they would be or something _______________ Visit the Belouve Family Website! Quote: I try to have fun with my friends and try to make a difference as best I can. What does making a difference mean? Well, it can be as simple as saying hello, answering a question that seems obvious or heck, just talking. -- Vladarion
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DaRtH-MoBiLiTy - Student
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Kaz, There is no Biblical warrant, precedent, nor precept for remembrance of the day of Christ's birth as a day of special religious celebration. This is not to say that we shouldn't remember Christ's birth and its significance, but for religious commemorations or celebrations, we must have Biblical command or precedent! The fact of the matter is this -- the early church did not celebrate Christ's birth, but such celebration only came into the church with the "Christianization" of pagan rites as Catholicism was made the state religion by Constantine in the fourth century A.D. Since the Word of God does not support the tradition of Christmas, a Christian's conscience ought not and must not be bound. December 25th was particularly important in the cult of Mithras, a popular deity in the Old Roman Empire. Prior to the celebration of Christmas, December 25th in the Roman world was the Natalis Solis Invicti, the Birthday of the Unconquerable Sun. This feast, which took place just after the winter solstice of the Julian calendar, was in honor of the Sun God, Mithras, originally a Persian deity whose cult penetrated the Roman world in the first century B.C. ... Besides the Mithraic influence, other pagan forces were at work. From the seventeenth of December until the twenty-third, Romans celebrated the ancient feast of the Saturnalia. ... It was commemorative of the Golden Age of Saturn, the god of sowing and husbandry. In order to make Christianity palatable to the heathen, the Roman Church simply took Saturnalia, adopted it into Christianity, and then eventually many of the associated pagan symbols, forms, customs, and traditions were reinterpreted (i.e., "Christianized"  in ways "acceptable" to Christian faith and practice. (In fact, in 375 A.D., the Church of Rome under Pope Julius I merely announced that the birth date of Christ had been "discovered" to be December 25th, and was accepted as such by the "faithful." The festival of Saturnalia and the birthday of Mithras could now be celebrated as the birthday of Christ!) The pagans flocked into the Catholic places of worship, because they were still able to worship their old gods, but merely under different names. It mattered not to them whether they worshiped the Egyptian goddess mother and her child under the old names (Isis and Horus), or under the names of the "Virgin Mary" and the "Christ-child." Either way, it was the same old idol-religion (cf. 1 Thes. 1:8-10; 5:22 -- Paul says to turn from idols, not rename them and Christianize them). Roman Catholicism's Christmas Day is nothing but "baptized" paganism, having come along much too late to be part of "the faith once delivered unto the saints" (Jude 3).Kinda disturbing really, but I am "Christianized" I guess, but remember Christs Birthday is still important to me and important to my family. So whether or not he was or was not born on the 25th does not matter to me, the rememberance is what is important, IMHO. Sardonius, Yes, I was referring to Satan. -DM- _______________ One Day, it will all end. This comment was edited by DaRtH-MoBiLiTy on Dec 09 2004 10:21pm. |
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Kaz - Student 
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A bit of a topic change I know, but its aproaching that time of year, so why not throw a spanner in the works? In this short post, i challenge anyone to post scriptural evidence that supports the idea that Christ's birthday should be celebrated, that He was born on December 25th and that God actually asks us to remember it. Because i think u will find that there is only one thing that God asks us to celebrate annualy, or actually to put it better, to remember, - and it isn't his birth but his death. heh, just want some people's thoughts on this (Cookie to the best response ) |
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Koyi Donita - Student 
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Quote: What do you mean by "the enemy"? Other religions? This struck me as a bit elitist. Correct me if I'm wrong. I hope you mean Satan or something. Yes, I'm almost 100% positive that he meant Satan. He is after all the anti-Christ and seeks to be worshipped in God's place. Throw around a few loose ideas that anyone can wrap themselves in and you got self made salvation plans made easy where you love God and God loves you and all is safe and secure. But are these thoughts real? Is it really God you serve or the devil? The pharisee's had it all wrong and Jesus identified them with Satan. This could be all around us and we could be extremely blind to it as the people were, (being both the pharisee's and the people of worship.) _______________ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17 I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her. ...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down.
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Bubu - Hubbub 
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Quote: The Pastor's statement is the "New Age", "Politically Correct" way to say it. By saying that, he is saying that no matter what your religon, you will still go to heaven. God will still save you. That is the biggest lie ever conceived by the enemy. Please recognize it, because it is easy to beleive.... "God wont send good people to hell"...."The Bible is failable because it was written by man"......these statements are a LIE from the enemy spoken to deceive and lead astray God's Children... What do you mean by "the enemy"? Other religions? This struck me as a bit elitist. Correct me if I'm wrong. I hope you mean Satan or something. _______________ make install -not war |
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Smilykrazy - Retired 
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I will start attending one as soon as I find one and as soon as my life actually becomes my own.  _______________ RIP MOM 06/29/58-07/31/08 Married to Koyi Donita 4/30/11 |
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Cloaked Thunder - Student 
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Quote: This is def reason number 5,687 why I go to a non denom church. Reason 5,687: None of mans Opinions, just the Word of God. -DM- I am non-denominational as well. _______________ Padawan of ShadowSith | Close JA Family: Darth Mobility, Katan, Jedi Prodigy, Virtue,D@rth M@ul, Virtue, Flash, Bandit, Yin Yang, JK-XIII, Faded, Silk Monkey, Skyler, `Orion, Aratan, SmilyKrazy, Faded Angel, and your mom | woot!
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Koyi Donita - Student
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I just wanted to say again that if you know of any scriptures from the Bible that may or do not agree with what someone posts, by all means please post them so that we can look further into God's Word together. It's the only way we can start to piece things together. Thank you and God Bless. _______________ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17 I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her. ...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down.
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Koyi Donita - Student 
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Bail, I've carefully read what you have written and it tears me so. Let me offer some scriptures to you my friend in hopes to shine a little light on your beliefs. First I would like to look at the parable of the rich man and Lazarus. In Luke 16:19-31 we read: 19) There was once a rich man who dressed in the most expensive clothes and lived in great luxury every day. 20) There was also a poor man named Lazarus, covered with sores, who used to be brought to the rich man's door, 21) hoping to eat the bits of food that fell from the rich man's table, Even the dogs would come and lick his sores. 22) The poor man died and was carried by the angels to sit beside Abraham at the feast in heaven. The rich man died and was buried, 23) and in Hades, where he was in great pain, he looked up and saw Abraham, far away, with Lazarus at his side. 24) So he called out, 'Father Abraham! Take pity on me, and send Lazarus to dip his finger in some water and cool off my tongue, because I am in great pain in this fire!' 25) But Abraham said, 'Remember, my son, that in your lifetime you were given all the good things, while Lazarus got all the bad things. But now he is enjoying himself here, while you are in pain. 26) Besides all that, there is a deep pit lying between us, so that those who want to cross over from here to you cannot do so, nor can anyone cross over to us from where you are.' 27) The rich man said, 'Then I beg you, father Abraham, send Lazarus to my father's house, 28) where I have five brothers. Let him go and warn them so that they, at least, will not come to this place of pain.' 29) Abraham said, 'Your brothers have Moses and the prophets to warn them; your brothers should listen to what they say.' 30) The rich man answered, 'That is not enough, father Abraham! But if someone were to rise from death and go to them, then they would turn from their sins.' 31) But Abraham said, 'If they will not listen to Moses and the prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone were to rise from death.' And now in this day, Jesus has risen from the dead and it will mean nothing to a believer if they don't listen to Moses and the prophets. When you look into the nature of the Word of God, you begin to understand this. In John 1:1-4 & 14 we read: 1) In the beginning the Word already existed; the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2) From the very beginning the Word was with God. 3) Through him God made all things; not one thing in all creation was made without him. 4) The Word was the source of life, and this life brought light to people. 14) The Word became a human being and, full of grace and truth, lived among us. We saw his glory, the glory which he received as the Father's only Son. These scriptures tell us that Jesus is the Word of God and to only believe in a part of Jesus wouldn't really be believing now would it? These scriptures also tell us how the Word is the source of life which is parallel to the salvation that is only possible by Jesus. In Matthew 4:1-4 we read: 1) Then the Spirit led Jesus into the desert to be tempted by the Devil. 2) After spending forty days and nights without food, Jesus was hungry. 3) Then the Devil came to him and said, "If you are God's Son, order these stones to turn into bread." 4) But Jesus answered, "The scripture says, 'Human beings cannot live on bread alone, but need every word that God speaks.'" Again we read that mankind can't live on bread alone but by God's Word. All of God's Words. Jesus is also known as the bread of life and this is also parallel to what we read earlier in the parable. Believing in the dead rising from the grave (Jesus) won't be enough to save someone. In Romans 10:17 we read: 17) So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Again, this scripture fits into what we've been looking at. In 2 Timothy 3:15-17 we read: 15) and you remember that ever since you were a child, you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to give you the wisdom that leads to salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. 16) All Scripture is inspired by God and is useful for teaching the truth, rebuking error, correcting faults, and giving instruction for right living, 17) so that the person who serves God may be fully qualified and equipped to do every kind of good deed. In 2 Peter 1:21 we read: 21) For no prophetic message ever came just from the human will, but people were under the control of the Holy Spirit as they spoke the message that came from God. Now I'll would be ready to agree with anyone claiming that the translations might be flawed. Infact, God warns us about that in the book of Revelation and other books as well. But knowing that God is Almighty God, I'm sure as Jesus was protected in His days from the pharisees and keepers of the law, so would the Word be protected. We actually have ancient writtings in the form of the dead sea scrolls, (I'm not sure if there are any more), that show us that our text today is extreamly close to those. The Bible is the Christians source book of truth. It founded our faith and can't be added to or taken away from. I hope and pray that these scriptures and our discussion help and benefit those who read it. May God add His Blessing to the reading of His Word. Amen. _______________ For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17 I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her. ...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down.
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solitude - Jedi Council
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Sure, ill go and read back at the old posts _______________ Joined 16 October 2004 | Retired 10 April 2005 | Returned 05 June 2008 | Made Staff 27 June 2008 | Made Council 18 January 2009 Padawan To Odan-Wei Belouve | Adopted into the Belouve family | Twin to xAnAtOs | Owner of the 4th Quesi sexy badge Brother To Roan Belouve, Nomad, Majno, Silkmonkey, Kensei and Jarhok Belouve
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Smilykrazy - Retired 
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Sol err exar, we have been through this alot and we all kinda disagree on that. My only suggestion to you is to read the bible and pray. That really is all we can do. God must do the rest. EDIT* If you read back you will see a lot of back and forth between Koyi and DM. Koyi being for the fact that God has to choose you to be saved, and DM being for the fact that we can do something to become saved. _______________ RIP MOM 06/29/58-07/31/08 Married to Koyi Donita 4/30/11 This comment was edited by Smilykrazy on Dec 04 2004 11:14pm. |
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solitude - Jedi Council
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I was of the opinion that if you followed the Bible as bset as you can, and tried to love God and your neighbours as best you could, that was what mattered. The fact that you try to live a good life is the important thing. Or am i wrong? _______________ Joined 16 October 2004 | Retired 10 April 2005 | Returned 05 June 2008 | Made Staff 27 June 2008 | Made Council 18 January 2009 Padawan To Odan-Wei Belouve | Adopted into the Belouve family | Twin to xAnAtOs | Owner of the 4th Quesi sexy badge Brother To Roan Belouve, Nomad, Majno, Silkmonkey, Kensei and Jarhok Belouve
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Smilykrazy - Retired
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Actually Bail the bible teaches that the church age is over. So I am with you in your belief on the church. I wish I could post the scriptures to back up this statement but I dont know where they are. I will ask Koyi if he can help me. It is actually suggested that you go to a non-denominational church so that there is only God. No man can corrupt anything by doing so. I do not believe that there is one religion out there that has it right when it comes to the bible or God. I do believe however that if you are one of Gods elect that you will come to know God through the bible. There are alot of hidden messages in the bible. You can not take one verse and interpret it to mean one thing. You have to take each verse and compare it to the rest of the bible to get the full meaning of things. The original 10 commandments that God gave Moses was the old law. You are right, there is a new law in which we are supposed to live by. I only ask that you dont judge everything by what it seems, for a lot of what is written is a picture or example for us to see. When Jesus came to earth, he spoke in parables, stories to give us a view of what he actually means. The bible is alot like that. You have to study it hard and compare verses before you can judge it. _______________ RIP MOM 06/29/58-07/31/08 Married to Koyi Donita 4/30/11 |
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Bail Hope of Belouve - Student 
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Quote: Hmmm ok Bail. You say you are a christian but you dont believe that the bible is accurate? Just making sure I understand you. I do not believe that the Bible at itself is the key to belief. Just as the Church is not the cornerstone of Christianity. The cornerstone of believing is ofcourse believing at itself. I believe God exists and I try to live a good life, and I try to do nothing wrong, even though I fail most of the time... But personally, I do not follow all of the 10 commandments, since they represent the bond between God and the Jewish People (or the Israelian people, however you would like to call them) Even Jesus Christ only gives 8 commandments to follow, he leaves out two. Don't have a New Testament handy, but it's where a priest walks up to him and asks what he should do to get eternal life in Heaven. Jesus only says 8 commandments to follow. (not sure about the number, been some time since I last read it) I follow (or try to) the life Jesus Christ wanted us to have. A life without all too many sins, practically a good life, in which we are nice to one another, love our neighbours and ban hatred from our hearts. I am inclined to be sceptical towards the Bible (Old Testament) because it's too old. it's far older than 2000 years, who can tell if it hasn't been changed? Sure, the same line can be drawn towards the New Testament, I agree. But in the New Testament, I don't remember seeing: "Go to Church, or go to hell" (might be wrong, but I don't think I am, but I am unsure nevertheless) Personally, seeing as priests take a vow of celibacy (which isn't right in my opinion either, but that's a different subject) and a vow of poverty, I don't get why the Vatican has it's own country, more wealth than some countries, and why the Pope gets a Ferrari for free... Because of all this, I am less inclined to believe everything in the Old Testament, since some of it is pure propaganda in favour of the church, in my eyes. I'm sorry if I seem insultive to your beliefs Smily and Koyi, for I don't mean to be, but this is just how I feel about the Church these days ... Feel free to disagree _______________ Visit the Belouve Family Website! Quote: I try to have fun with my friends and try to make a difference as best I can. What does making a difference mean? Well, it can be as simple as saying hello, answering a question that seems obvious or heck, just talking. -- Vladarion
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Smilykrazy - Retired
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Hmmm ok Bail. You say you are a christian but you dont believe that the bible is accurate? Just making sure I understand you. _______________ RIP MOM 06/29/58-07/31/08 Married to Koyi Donita 4/30/11 |
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Smilykrazy - Retired
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Yeah the pastor at my church is an idiot. He hits on my mother, tells her he loves her, then preaches on Sunday about how we have to obey Gods will. Hes married with a kid as is my mom with 2 (grown) children. He makes me sick. I want him removed from my church right away. Only reason I still go there is because of my obligations, the music im involved with, and for some of the people ive been very close with. I really want to attend a non-denominational church. To answer your question, no our church has nothing to do with family radio. All that is, is a station that comes in near us. My church doesnt preach what the station does. Its the quite opposite actually. The reason I love family radio so much is because it makes you think hard about the scriptures, where the church just preaches the same things all the time. I just like to have a vast knowledge of everything and I like to keep my eyes and ears open to all. _______________ RIP MOM 06/29/58-07/31/08 Married to Koyi Donita 4/30/11 This comment was edited by Smilykrazy on Dec 04 2004 09:54pm. |
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Bail Hope of Belouve - Student
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no offense intended because I am a Christian, but this reminds me of Hans Teeuwen, who said: Quote: And how do you know that what is written is also true? ... Because that's also written... Quite true in my opinion saying something that was written is right, because it was written that it was right, doesn't make it right I could write: "Steven rules, and this is right!" but that does not mean that Steven rules, and it does not mean that is an accepted truth. I could also write: "Steven rules, because God says it to be so!" ... same story. You can write out of free will, and there are absolutely no limits to what you can write. Quote: these statements are a LIE from the enemy spoken to deceive and lead astray God's Children... ain't that great... I'm an enemy already and all I ever did was believe in God... jeez ** Edited for obvious reasons ** well to be honest, I bet Muslims think exactly the same way. "I am right, they are wrong, everyone else, is Satan!" (overdramatisation, you get my point) Edit2: And another thing. You (everyone who believes) sure the Bible isn't edited? I find that hard to believe since: The Pope in the middle-ages twisted arond the words of Jesus Christ by saying: "It's not a sin to kill, as long as the victim isn't Christian" (I'm very serious...) How do you knwo the Bible hasn't been edited then? I'm sorry if I'm insulting all of you, but I'm insulted by you. I hope this won't turn into a flame-war -- Bail _______________ Visit the Belouve Family Website! Quote: I try to have fun with my friends and try to make a difference as best I can. What does making a difference mean? Well, it can be as simple as saying hello, answering a question that seems obvious or heck, just talking. -- Vladarion
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DaRtH-MoBiLiTy - Student
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This is def reason number 5,687 why I go to a non denom church. Reason 5,687: None of mans Opinions, just the Word of God. -DM- _______________ One Day, it will all end. |
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Cloaked Thunder - Student
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Koyi, I would definetly never go back to that church. That man should have all preaching duties revoked! Dude is whacko. _______________ Padawan of ShadowSith | Close JA Family: Darth Mobility, Katan, Jedi Prodigy, Virtue,D@rth M@ul, Virtue, Flash, Bandit, Yin Yang, JK-XIII, Faded, Silk Monkey, Skyler, `Orion, Aratan, SmilyKrazy, Faded Angel, and your mom | woot!
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DaRtH-MoBiLiTy - Student
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Wow Koyi, I would RUN from that church. JESUS SAYS in John 5 Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way? 6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. 7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him. The Pastor's statement is the "New Age", "Politically Correct" way to say it. By saying that, he is saying that no matter what your religon, you will still go to heaven. God will still save you. That is the biggest lie ever conceived by the enemy. Please recognize it, because it is easy to beleive.... "God wont send good people to hell"...."The Bible is failable because it was written by man"......these statements are a LIE from the enemy spoken to deceive and lead astray God's Children... I REPEAT... 6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. The Pastor is right about one thing Koyi, man is failable, including him...please don't take the word of a man over the Word of God. There is no way one can win. What kind of church is this again? Do they promote Family Radio? -DM- _______________ One Day, it will all end. This comment was edited by DaRtH-MoBiLiTy on Dec 04 2004 05:56pm. |
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