The Jedi Academy- Bible Study

Bible Study

Jul 01 2004 01:41am

Koyi Donita
- Student

Yep. Here it is. My first offical Forum and of course it's about my favorite topic, The Bible.
Basically, I would like this to be an open forum based on the Bible and the truths held with in. If anyone has any Biblical truths that they would like to share with everyone, I ask for you to please put it up on the table as we will all search for truth in God's Word. If anyone has any questions, maybe collectively we may be able to help them through the Bible God willing.

I only ask that if you have no faith or have nothing constructive to post, please respect my wishes and just ignore this forum. All questions from non-believers are welcome as long as you seriously seek God's truth.

May God bless us all through his wonderful Word.

Quote:

For those of you who like, this site has every translation. Plus search, studies, GREAT RESOURCE

The Bible Gateway

-DM-

Thank you Darth Mobility.

_______________
For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16
So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17
I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her.
...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down.

This post was edited by Koyi Donita on Apr 30 2005 05:38pm.

< Recent Comments

Previous Comments >

Comments

Dec 16 2004 01:39am

Koyi Donita
- Student

Quote:

So let me ask you a question then if I may. In Romans 10:18 were we read:
18) But I ask: Is it true that they did hear the message? Of course they did-for as the scripture says: "The sound of their voice went out to all the world; their words reached the ends of the earth."

How is it you can believe in this scripture when it clearly quotes scriptures founded in the old testament? How can you believe a great many chapters of the new testament when they clearly reveal truths found in the old testament? How can you be sure you understand what is in the new without going back and checking out the context of these quotes to make sure you understand the context in which they were written?

Also in Revelation 22:19 we read:
19) And if any take anything away from the prophetic words of this book, God will take away from them their share of the fruit of the tree of life and of the Holy City, which are described in this book.

It seems like dangerous business to me to only follow the new testament and believe that is sufficent but I'm not going to tell you how you must worship God. Fact is, without God's work in us, we can't. I only hope and pray that I'm not blindly trying to show you what I don't understand. God's Word is true and trustworthy and hopefully what I have posted is profitable to us both.

Quote:

I'm not saying I will be saved simply because I believe that Jesus came back through death to life, I'm saying that I believe, and live like I should, according to Jesus.

Again, if Jesus is refered to as the Word of Almighty God and you pick and choose what you want to hear from Him, how can you be sure you are living like you should according to Jesus?

Quote:

15) and you remember that ever since you were a child, you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to give you the wisdom that leads to salvation through faith in Christ Jesus.

You seemed to highlight through faith in Christ Jesus. I guess that your insisting that you believe that anyone can just believe on Jesus and they will be saved through faith if I'm not misunderstanding you. Well, let's turn to the new testament to see what God has to say about faith.

In Romans 3:9-11 we read:
9) Well, then, are we Jews in any better condition than the Gentiles? Not at all! I have already shown that Jews and Gentiles alike are all under the power of sin.
10) As the Scriptures say: "There is no one who is righteous,
11) no one who is wise or who worships God.

God tells us as plain as day that no one worships Him. How can you have faith in someone you don't worship?

In Colosians 1:9 & 10 we read:
9) For this reason we have always prayed for you, ever since we heard about you. We ask God to fill you with the knowledge of his will, with all the wisdom and understanding that his Spirit gives.
10) Then you will be able to live as the Lord wants and will always do what pleases him. Your lives will produce all kinds of good deeds, and you will grow in your knowledge of God.

God works in us to will and to do of His good pleasure is also a scripture I'm missing but says it's point, but more on faith.

In 2 Thessalonians 1:11 we read:
11) That is why we always pray for you. We ask our God to make you worthy of the life he has called you to live. May he fulfill by his power all your desire for goodness and complete your work of faith.

Key words here are work of faith. We've already posted all of these including the scriptures saying that we are saved by faith, not by works lest any man should boast. If faith is a work and we aren't saved by our works, what does this mean? The answer was already posted where God works in us salvation. He makes us to live a life pleasing to Him.

Quote:

16) All Scripture is inspired by God and is useful for teaching the truth, rebuking error, correcting faults, and giving instruction for right living,

It would almost seem that you didn't select this scripture because nothing is in Italics. Might want to read it again because it says all scripture and not just what Jesus spoke on earth.

Quote:

17) [i]so that the person who serves God may be fully qualified and equipped to do every kind of good deed.[i]
My point exactly ...

Again, seems your picking and choosing what you want to hear from God's Word by italicizing this whole verse, but can we serve God on our own terms? His Word says we can't from what has been posted sad to say, but don't trust what I say. Read the Bible and check it out for yourself. God is the ultimate source of truth, not what I point out.

Quote:

The Bible is the Christians source book of truth. It founded our faith and can't be added to or taken away from.
I disagree. The bible didn't found our faith. God did! A writing is nothing without the belief behind it.

In Romans 10:13-17 we read:
13) As the scripture says, "Everyone who calls out to the Lord for help will be saved."
14) But how can they call to him for help if they have not believed? And how can they believe if they have not heard the message? And how can they hear if the message is not proclaimed?
15) And how can the message be proclaimed if the messengers are not sent out ? As the scripture says, "How wonderful is the coming of messengers who bring good news!"
16) But not all have accepted the Good News. Isaiah himself said, "Lord, who believed our message?
17) So then faith comes from hearing the message and the message comes throught preaching the Word of God.

Also in John 1:1 & 14 we read:
1) In the beginning the Word already existed; the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
14) The Word became a human being and, full of grace and truth, lived among us. We saw his glory, the glory which he had received as the Father's only Son.

The Word of God is Jesus and faith comes from the Word of God. The writing is everything because it is God's Holy Word. Remember in Romans we read that no one seeks after God or worships Him. Let God be true and every man a liar. No one will come to Jesus unless the father draws him. We need to hear the message in order to believe.

pquote]well, I hope I haven't rained your parade or anything. It wasn't my intention to come across as elitist, or whatever I might have come across.
All I'm voicing is my opinion. I hope you didn't find it offensive or anything. I'm sorry if it did.

Same for me my friend. More then just my opinions, I hope God can breathe some clearity into our discussion. I hope and pray that the scriptures we post here will bring light into the darkness.

May God add His blessing to the reading of His Word.

Amen.

- Bail -
_______________
For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16
So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17
I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her.
...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down.

Dec 16 2004 12:38am

Koyi Donita
- Student

Quote:

...isent that nice no wonder why people went to church more in the old days they were scared

In 2 Thessalonians 1:3-7 we read:
3) Do not let anyone deceive you in any way. For the Day will not come until the final Rebellion takes place and the Wicked One appears, who is destined to hell.
4) He will oppose every so-called god or object of worship and will put himself above them all. He will even go in and sit down in God's Temple and claim to be God.
{My king James version says he will be worshipped as God I believe.}
5) Don't you remember? I told you all this while I was with you.
6) Yet there is something that keeps this from happening now, and you know what it is. At the proper time, then, the Wicked One will appear.
7) The Mysterious Wickedness is already at work, but what is going to happen will not happen until the one who holds it back is taken out of the way.

Other scriptures which I'm too tired to find but have posted in the past show that Satan as the power to show himself as an angel or messenger of light and his followers ministers of righteousness. It would be no marvel to me if this so called thing (being the Holy Spirit) holding the Wicked One back has indeed been taken out of the way. The church of our day seems to be a little short on some of the key elements of worship if you ask me. This fear that you pointed out is a big part of worshipping God from what I read in the Bible because can destroy both body and soul in everylasting damnation. God constantly talks about how so many will be blind or out of the way when He returns to judge the world. This is frightening language because we all could be so very very far from the truth and never know it. The only light that we have to find our ways through the darkness is God's Word and that is only if God gives us eyes so that we may see it. If this message was being preached in the churches today, you could bet anything that I would be there every possible time, 1) to hear as much of His Word as possible and 2) to learn more about our condition and how God can save us. Fear wouldn't be my driving factor, but it would play a part. The motion of going to church isn't what saves somebody, but God's Word and His mercy is.

_______________
For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16
So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17
I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her.
...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down.

Dec 16 2004 12:15am

Koyi Donita
- Student

Quote:

In Matthew 13:10-17 we read:
10) Then the disciples came to Jesus and asked him, "Why do you use parables when you talk to the people?"
11) Jesus answered, "The knowledge about the secrets of the Kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them.
12) For the person who has something will be given more, so that he will have more than enough; but the person who has nothing will have taken away from him even the little he has.
13) The reason I use parables in talking to them is that they look, but do not see, and they listen, but do not hear or understand.
14) So the prophecy of Isaiah applies to them: 'This people will listen and listen, but not understand; they will look and look, but not see,
15) because their minds are dull, and they have stopped up their ears and have closed their eyes. Otherwise, their minds would understand, and they would turn to me, says God, and I would heal them.'
16) "As for you, how fortunate you are! Your eyes see and your ears hear.
17) I assure you that many prophets and many of God's people wanted very much to see what you see, but they could not, and to hear what you hear, but they did not.

Here, these scriptures would agree with your views on poetic meanings. This states a well known fact that Jesus spoke in parables.

In Hebrews 13:8 we read:
8) Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever.

Seeing scriptures like this and ones posted earlier, it is most likely that most of the old testament if not all of it is symbolic language.

In Daniel 12:4 we read:
4) He said to me, "And now, Daniel, close the book and put a seal on it until the end of the world. Meanwhile, many people will waste their efforts trying to understand what is happening."

This scripture shows us that God has a time table set up for the understanding of His Word. Many thing, especially in the old testament, will make no sense or be understood until God removes the seal and reveals His teachings.

As far as believers in Jesus are concerned, some things in God's Word must or should be taken as a parable while other things could quite possibly be literal and shouldn't be thought of anything less unless the Bible reveals otherwise. Everything else like our history and so called actuate geological studies should not influence our beliefs on the scriptures. If you think about it, we have God's Almighty Word full of truth in front of us. A book that stood up to the test of time. Others can have outside sources to cloud their vision. I'll happily stick to the Bible and just the Bible.

May God add His blessing to the reading of His Word.

Amen.
_______________
For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16
So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17
I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her.
...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down.

Dec 15 2004 10:46pm

DaRtH-MoBiLiTy
- Student

God sounds like an insane lunatic in some parts of the Bible, I mean I love the Lord dont get me wrong, but the vengence has always made wonder just what really was going on.

-DM-
_______________
One Day, it will all end.

Dec 15 2004 09:34pm

VirusD
- Student

Quote:

15) But if you disobey the LORD your God and do not faithfully keep all his commands and laws tha I am giving you today, all these evil things will happen to you:

Quote:

27) The LORD will send boils on you, as he did on the Egyptians. He will make your bodies break out with sores. You will be covered with scabs, and you will itch, but there will be no cure.

...isent that nice no wonder why people went to church more in the old days they were scared
_______________
'** I hated going to weddings. All the grandmas would poke me saying "You're next". They stopped that when I started doing it to them at funerals.**'
'**On going to war over religion: "You're basically killing each other to see who's got the better imaginary friend.**"
'**I Dont Lie! I Just Bend And Illustrate The Truth A Little**' - By me when talking to a friend.

This comment was edited by VirusD on Dec 15 2004 09:36pm.

Dec 15 2004 08:11pm

Aayla Secura
- Ex-Student

Depends, I believe using the scriptures is all fine and good if it help your beliefs, but many people believe the scriptures may also have almost poetic meanings rather than to be taken literally, I study Religious Studies, I’ve been taught, that, say for instance, for 1st few chapters (believe up to 11) of the Old Testament are “myth” as in, people trying to explain unexplainable things at that time (e.g. how the world was created, why people have different languages). Though I believe what’s happening here is healthy since you are trying to help people in your own way. I know there are also negative points about taking a liberal view, but since this is a “Bible study” trend just thought you should take all people views on bored, rather than this exclusive stance I get a feeling is going on (not that its happening on a massive scale). Just wanted to make a little comment.
_______________
IN UR FACE I'M NOT BLONDE!

This comment was edited by Aayla Secura on Dec 15 2004 08:17pm.

Dec 15 2004 06:33pm

Smilykrazy
- Retired

Bail you are not offensive at all. You are entitled to you beliefs.

The only thing I think everyone should be doing in this thread is posting scriptures to back up the beliefs that you post. The purpose of this thread is so that we may all come to truth. We can all sit here and write our beliefs and thoughts on what Gods salvation plan is, etc. But our beliefs should not come from our own minds, but by God and his word. Our minds are so simple compared to God! And I think it would be foolish to assume that we all know and believe that we know the truth. So please read all the scriptures posted with an open mind. Forget about what you believe and just soak in the scriptures. Post your own scriptures as well!

My $.02

_______________
RIP MOM 06/29/58-07/31/08 Married to Koyi Donita 4/30/11

Dec 15 2004 04:25pm

Bail Hope of Belouve
- Student

Quote:

These scriptures tell us that Jesus is the Word of God and to only believe in a part of Jesus wouldn't really be believing now would it? These scriptures also tell us how the Word is the source of life which is parallel to the salvation that is only possible by Jesus.

I never said I only believed in only a part of Jesus. I believe in Jesus, and everything that is recorded in the New Testament, but I find this to be sufficient. Why? Not because I don't believe in The Old Testament, but because through Jesus, I believe in God, and it made me pray. Yes, I pray, I try to live a good life, try to harm no one, and try to live as Jesus told me to.
I believe in his death, and in his rising, and I have complete faith that Jesus will lead me to salvation.

Quote:

Again we read that mankind can't live on bread alone but by God's Word. All of God's Words. Jesus is also known as the bread of life and this is also parallel to what we read earlier in the parable. Believing in the dead rising from the grave (Jesus) won't be enough to save someone.

I'm not saying I will be saved simply because I believe that Jesus came back through death to life, I'm saying that I believe, and live like I should, according to Jesus.

Quote:

15) and you remember that ever since you were a child, you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to give you the wisdom that leads to salvation through faith in Christ Jesus.
16) All Scripture is inspired by God and is useful for teaching the truth, rebuking error, correcting faults, and giving instruction for right living,
17) [i]so that the person who serves God may be fully qualified and equipped to do every kind of good deed.[i]

My point exactly ...

Quote:

We actually have ancient writtings in the form of the dead sea scrolls, (I'm not sure if there are any more), that show us that our text today is extreamly close to those.

I know those exist. The problem is, they are kept in the Vatican. Should they have altered it, they would never release the real scriptures, but altered ones, or incomplete ones.

Quote:

The Bible is the Christians source book of truth. It founded our faith and can't be added to or taken away from.

I disagree. The bible didn't found our faith. God did! A writing is nothing without the belief behind it.

well, I hope I haven't rained your parade or anything. It wasn't my intention to come across as elitist, or whatever I might have come across.
All I'm voicing is my opinion. I hope you didn't find it offensive or anything. I'm sorry if it did.

- Bail -
_______________
Visit the Belouve Family Website!
Quote:

I try to have fun with my friends and try to make a difference as best I can. What does making a difference mean? Well, it can be as simple as saying hello, answering a question that seems obvious or heck, just talking. -- Vladarion

Want to know Vladarion? Read the Article about his life here.

This comment was edited by Bail Hope of Belouve on Dec 15 2004 04:25pm.

Dec 14 2004 08:26pm

Koyi Donita
- Student

I just want to share some of God's Word with everyone. I remember back to when I read this the first time, I was like whoa. It has been brought back to my attention in a study and it is pretty long so bear with me. Maybe just read a few verses at a time and come back to the rest later. No real need to read it all at once.

In Deuteronomy 28:15-68 we read:

15) But if you disobey the LORD your God and do not faithfully keep all his commands and laws that I am giving you today, all these evil things will happen to you:
16) The LORD will curse your towns and your fields.
17) The LORD will curse your grain crops and the food you prepare from them.
18) The LORD will curse you by giving you only a few children, poor crops, and few cattle and sheep.
19) The LORD will curse everything you do.
20) If you do evil and reject the LORD, he will bring on you disaster, confusion, and trouble in everything you do, until you are quickly and completely destroyed.
21) He will send disease after disease on you until there is not one of you left in the land that you are about to occupy.
22) The LORD will strike you with infectious diseases, with swelling and fever; he will send drought and scorching winds to destroy your crops. These disasters will be with you until you die.
23) No rain will fall, and your ground will become as hard as iron.
24) Instead of rain, the LORD will send down duststorms and sandstorms until you are destroyed.
25) The LORD will give your enemies victory over you. You will attack them from one direction, but you will run from them in all directions, and all the people on earth will be terrified when they see what happens to you.
26) When you die, birds and wild animals will come and eat your bodies, and there will be no one to scare them off.
27) The LORD will send boils on you, as he did on the Egyptians. He will make your bodies break out with sores. You will be covered with scabs, and you will itch, but there will be no cure.
28) The LORD will make you lose your mind; he will strike you with blindness and confusion.
29) You will grope about in broad daylight like someone blind, and you will not be able to find your way. You will not prosper in anything you do. You will be constantly oppressed and robbed, and there will be no one to help you.
30) You will be engaged to a young woman-but someone else will marry her. You will build a house-but never live in it. You will plant a vineyard-but never eat its grapes.
31) Your cattle will be butchered before your very eyes, but you will not eat any of the meat. Your donkeys will be dragged away while you look on, and they will not be given back to you.
32) Your sons and daughters will be given as slaves to foreigners while you look on. Every day you will strain your eyes, looking in vain for your children to return.
33) A foreign nation will take all the crops that you have worked so hard to grow, while you receive nothing but constant oppression and harsh treatment.
34) Your sufferings will make you lose your mind.
35) The LORD will cover your legs with incurable, painful sores; boils will cover you from head to foot.
36) The LORD will take you and your king away to a foreign land, where nither you nor your ancestors ever lived before; there you will serve gods made of wood and stone.
37) In the countries to which the LORD will scatter you, the people will be shocked at what has happened to you; they will make fun of you and ridicule you.
38) You will plant plenty of seed, but reap only a small harvest, because the locusts will eat your crops.
39) You will plant vineyards and take care of them, but you will not gather their grapes or drink wine from them, because worms will eat the vines.
40) Olive trees will grow everywhere in your land, but you will not have any oil, because the olives will drop off.
41) You will have sons and daughters, but you will lose them, because they will be taken away as prisoners of war.
42) All your trees and crops will be devoured by insects.
43) Foreigners who live in your land will gain more and more power, while you gradually lose yours.
44) They will have money to lend you, but you will have none to lend them. In the end they will be your rulers.
45) All these disasters will come on you, and they will be with you until you are destroyed, because you did not obey the LORD your God and keep all the laws that he gave you.
46) They will be the evidence of God's judgment on you and your descendants forever.
47) The LORD blessed you in every way, but you would not serve him with glad and joyful hearts.
48) So then, you will serve the enemies that the LORD is going to send against you. You will be hungry, thirsty, and naked-in need of everything. The LORD will oppress you harshly until your are destroyed.
49) The Lord will bring against you a nation whose language you do not know. They will swoop down on you like an eagle.
50) They will be ruthless and show no mercy to anyone, young or old.
51) They will eat your livestock and your crops, and you will starve to death. They will not leave you any grain, wine, olive oil, cattle, or sheep; and you will die.
52) They will attack every town in the land that the LORD your God is giving you, and the high, fortified walls in which you trust will fall.
53) When your enemies are besieging your towns, you will become so desperate for food that you will even eat the children that the LORD your God is given you.
54-55) Even the most refined man of noble birth will become so desperate during the siege that he will eat some of his own children because he has no other food. He will not even give any to his brother or to the wife he loves or to any of his children who are left.
56-57) Even the most refined woman of noble birth, so rich that she has never had to walk anywhere, will behave in the same way. When the enemy besieges her town, she will become so desperate for food that she will secretly eat her newborn child and the afterbirth as well. She will not share them with the husband she loves or with any of her children.
58) If you do not obey faithfully all of God's teachings that are written in this bgook and if you do not honor the woderful and awesome name of the LORD you God,
59) he will send on you and on your descendants incurable diseases and horrible epidemics that can never be stopped.
60) He will bring on you once again all the dreadful diseases you experienced in Egypt, and you will never recover.
61) He will also send all kinds of diseases and epidemics that are not mentioned in this book of God's laws and teachings, and you will be destroyed.
62) Although you become as numerous as the stars in the sky, only a few of you will survive, because you did not obey the LORD your God.
63) Just as the LORD took delight in making you prosper and in making you increase in number, se he will take delight in destroying you and in bringing ruin on you. You will be uprooted from the land that you are about to occupy.
64) The LORD will scatter you among all the nations, from one end of the earth to the other, and there you will serve gods made of wood and stone, gods that neither you nor your ancestors have ever worshiped before.
65) You will find no peace anywhere, no place to call your own; the LORD will overwhelm you with anxiety, hopelessness, and despair.
66) Your life will always be in danger. Day and night you will be filled with terror, and you will live in constant fear of death.
67) Your hearts will pound with fear at everything you see. Every morning you will wish for evening; every evening you will wish for morning.
68) The LORD will send you back to Egypt in ships, even though he said that you would never have to go there again. There you will try to sell yourselves to your enemies as slaves, but no one will want to buy you.

_______________
For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16
So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17
I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her.
...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down.

This comment was edited by Koyi Donita on Dec 15 2004 11:47pm.

Dec 13 2004 12:32am

Koyi Donita
- Student

Quote:

Since these verses are mentioned but not posted, I would like to take a look at these myself.
In Ecclesiastes 7:2-4 and 8 we read:
2) It is better to go to the house of mourning, than to go to the house of feasting: for that is the end of all men; and the living will lay it to his heart.
3) Sorrow is better than laughter: for by the sadness of the countenance the heart is made better.
4) The heart of the wise is in the house of mourning; but the heart of fools is in the house of mirth.
8) Better is the end of a thing than the beginning thereof: and the patient in spirit is better than the proud in spirit.

I would be an interesting study to go through these verses slowly searching the Bible for the meanings behind every sentence, but with the ones shortly following the one you posted and the one I believe you were refering to that highlights you point are posted. Now we can see exactly what God has in view here. In the 2nd verse we see that the house of feasting which could/would be a direct result of someones birth is worse the the house of mourning because of someones death. Why? Because we don't carry on in our vanity thinking when we ponder death and the serious issue that follows it. Sure, celebrating a baby is nice and congratulations is in order, or is it? I say nay because it doesn't show God any honor or glory having a bunch of people carrying on about what they think they have accomplished. Verse 3 strengthens this because it is when our hearts are brought low before God that we are given that all important image of how much we really need God. It is a very wise thing for us to never lose sight of the fact that God saves His people. We can save ourselves or pay for our own sins. In verse 8, if we were to search the Bible we would see that in the end of this mysterious work that God has set into motion, whether for salvation or destruction, it is all going to glorify Him. We can patient await our death hoping on God's wonderful mercy to save us, or we can be proud of the things that go on around us here in this world with the patient being better. I could be wrong and I invite others to shine light on these if they see something different/that I left out, but this is what the context of these verses speak to me.

Quote:

who really are you when u are born? nothing. You have not yet developed a mind capable of diserning right from wrong, or giving God glory or bringing salvation to his name (I acknowledge the fact that life in itself does do this). That scripture thus shows how God values what you did in your life and what you stand for- thus we should do the same.

This I'm afraid I have to highly disagree with. God is not a respecter of persons as we can see in Acts 10:34 where we read:

34) Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:

Reading on to verse 35 we might try to disagree with this because it reads:
35) But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.

Now I can make this a huge long list of scriptures working this out so that we can better understand this, but I'm sure we all know that we are saved by faith, not by works. 1 Thessalonians 1 and 2 Thessalonians 1 shows us that faith is work and Hebrews 11 shows us that our faith can be evidence that we have become saved. Also, if we turn to Romans 9:7-15 we read:

7) Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all childred: but, IN ISAAC SHALL THY SEED BE CALLED.
8) That is, They which are the childred on the flesh, these are not the children of God; but the childred of the promise are counted for the seed.
9) For this is the word of promise, AT THIS TIME WILL I COME, AND SARAH SHALL HAVE A SON.
10) And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac;
11) (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth

12) It was said unto her, THE ELDER SHALL SERVE THE YOUNGER.
13) As it is written, JACOB HAVE I LOVED, BUT ESAU HAVE I HATED.
14) What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.
15) For he saith to Moses, I WILL HAVE MERCY ON WHOM I WILL HAVE MERCY, AND I WILL HAVE COMPASSION ON WHOM I WILL HAVE COMPASSION.

The whole package of salvation also being neatly summed up in a few scriptures in John 1: 12 and 13 where we read:

12) But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13) Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

Quote:

Granted, we should rememebr the miracle that was Jesus Christ's birth. But he is a King, not a baby. Memorialise his life, not his birth.
His birth did not give us forgiveness of our sins, but his life and his death did: 'but we behold Jesus, who has been made a little lower than angels, crowned with glory and honour for having suffered death, that he by God's undeserved kindness might taste death for every man.' (Hebrews 2:9)'Just as the Son of man came, not to be ministered to, but to minister and to give his soul a ransom in exchange for many.'(Matthew 20:28)

Here, I would have to agree with what Smily posted. Also, I would like to add that in Luke 2:8-20 we read a little into Jesus' birth and the angel of the Lord coming down with His Glory shining all around the shepherds with a multitude of the heavenly host praising God. Jesus' birth was a true marvel! One which the focus is still on God and our need for Him and to say one part is more important or has more meaning then the next is just dangerous thinking if you ask me. Jesus from a very young age read and preached in the temple and those witnessing there were amazed with Him. It is my belief that Jesus' as a child wasn't anything less then the adult. Just food for though.

This comment was edited by Koyi Donita on Dec 14 2004 07:50am.

Dec 12 2004 11:05pm

Smilykrazy
- Retired

Ok just a comment but Jesus had to be born to live the life he did and to die. The significance of that day is remarkable. On that day God came out of his holy kingdom to begin his journey to save his people. He was born a lowly human being so that he can live among us sinners and save his elect. Why is it we shouldnt celebrate his birth? Seems like a special day to me.

_______________
RIP MOM 06/29/58-07/31/08 Married to Koyi Donita 4/30/11

Dec 12 2004 10:38pm

Kaz
- Student

My whole point was that life (and thus especially Jesus Christ's) is more important than your day of birth. If you go on to read the scriptures following the one i quoted in Ecclesiastes, you can see it emphasised again. who really are you when u are born? nothing. You have not yet developed a mind capable of diserning right from wrong, or giving God glory or bringing salvation to his name (I acknowledge the fact that life in itself does do this). That scripture thus shows how God values what you did in your life and what you stand for- thus we should do the same. Granted, we should rememebr the miracle that was Jesus Christ's birth. But he is a King, not a baby. Memorialise his life, not his birth.
His birth did not give us forgiveness of our sins, but his life and his death did: 'but we behold Jesus, who has been made a little lower than angels, crowned with glory and honour for having suffered death, that he by God's undeserved kindness might taste death for every man.' (Hebrews 2:9)'Just as the Son of man came, not to be ministered to, but to minister and to give his soul a ransom in exchange for many.'(Matthew 20:28)

This comment was edited by Kaz on Dec 12 2004 10:39pm.

Dec 12 2004 03:24am

Koyi Donita
- Student

Could we please try to keep this thread for what it was intended for? I would really appreciate that. Thank you.

Dec 11 2004 04:42pm

Bail Hope of Belouve
- Student

Quote:

Same goes for Danish and German (minus the gramamr part), yet they're still two completely differenty languages. Trust me, Dutch is way different from German, except for some similarities.

you know Dutch, Jacen? Didn't know that

We should talk in Dutch sometime

and yeah, they are way different. Pronounciation isn't anywhere near at some points. Some words may seem the same, but you have the same thing with French and Dutch, and Italian and Dutch, and so on. That's probably because they are somewhat (more or less) based on the same primal language ...

That's cool.

Btw, English and Dutch are very similar too at points

_______________
Visit the Belouve Family Website!
Quote:

Want to know Vladarion? Read the Article about his life here.

Dec 11 2004 03:47pm

Jacen Aratan
- Student

Same goes for Danish and German (minus the gramamr part), yet they're still two completely differenty languages. Trust me, Dutch is way different from German, except for some similarities.

Dec 11 2004 02:12pm

solitude
- Jedi Council

Quote:

And of course the Dutch say:

13 Du sollst nicht töten.

Just thought I'd let it be known that the above sentence is German, not Dutch.

you do realise that dutch and german are very similar? almost identical grammer and very many similar/same words

Brother To Roan Belouve, Nomad, Majno, Silkmonkey, Kensei and Jarhok Belouve
Owner Of Virtue's 1000th profile comment, Mr. Doobie's 1000th profile comment, Gradius' 2500th comment, xAnAtOs' 2500th comment, Rosered's 1500th comment, Laziana's 900th comment, Scythus' 500th comment and Echuu's 100th comment

Dec 11 2004 10:46am

Wolfwood
- Student

Did someone just say something german and pretended it was dutch?...... BLASPHEMY I SAY!!!

_______________
~ Honor is a fool's prize. Glory is of no use to the dead ~

This comment was edited by Wolfwood on Dec 11 2004 10:46am.

Dec 11 2004 10:26am

Jacen Aratan
- Student

Quote:

And of course the Dutch say:

13 Du sollst nicht töten.

Just thought I'd let it be known that the above sentence is German, not Dutch.

Dec 11 2004 06:26am

Koyi Donita
- Student

Truely! My eyes have been opened to some good scriptures.

The one from Ecclesiastes though seems to be a little out of context for the point that was being made. I could be wrong though.

Another thing is with the commandment Thou shalt not kill, there are a number of other sciptures that help to draw a clearer picture of what God had in mind there. I'll try to dig those up and post them a.s.a.p. as time allows. You know, the Israelites of old slaughter man, woman, and child as they went into the promised land that God gave them. They murdered those people simply because it was God's will for this to be done. That is why further light should be shined on this subject to really get a clearer picture rather than what the hebrew text actually says.
_______________
For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Rom. 1:16
So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Rom. 10:17
I love my babyface. Smilykrazy is my baby and I love her.
...Swimming through the void we hear the Word, we lose ourselves but we find it all... System Of A Down.

This comment was edited by Koyi Donita on Dec 11 2004 06:32am.

Dec 11 2004 12:20am

Smilykrazy
- Retired

awesome posts DM!!!

I didnt know all that about history.

_______________
RIP MOM 06/29/58-07/31/08 Married to Koyi Donita 4/30/11

Dec 09 2004 11:14pm

solitude
- Jedi Council

great DM, thanks

you just saved me from learning hebrew

Dec 09 2004 11:06pm

DaRtH-MoBiLiTy
- Student

Geez, sorry man....i am really tired, alright the origanl hebrew states:

lo tirtzach

Regarding your question, lo tirtzach means "Do not murder," not "Do not kill."

-DM-
_______________
One Day, it will all end.

This comment was edited by DaRtH-MoBiLiTy on Dec 09 2004 11:06pm.

Dec 09 2004 10:59pm

solitude
- Jedi Council

cool, thanks guys

Dec 09 2004 10:54pm

DaRtH-MoBiLiTy
- Student

hehe, sorry....that was attempt at humor. lol, but you got me anyways, lol.

-DM-
_______________
One Day, it will all end.

Dec 09 2004 10:53pm

Kaz
- Student

back in the Hebrew times, whether u murdedred or accidentally killed someone it was both ways very serious. However, one you urself could be killed for (murder), the other you would be allowed to seek one of the 'cities of refuge' which were cities scattered around that people who were truly repentant could go and live in until the high preist died and they were allowed to return.

that scripture (Do not murder/kill etc) was meant for the Jewish people so killing would have practically been the same as mudering in the sense that both carried very heavy penalties (one you died from though)
however, christians believe that Christ made up a new covenant that stopped the mosaic covenant. Although the 10 commandements are very important, we have the new covenant to follow if you understand what i mean. Either way though, murder and accidental killing is still very very serious today.

This comment was edited by Kaz on Dec 10 2004 07:27am.

< Recent Comments

Previous Comments >

#Jedi-Academy on irc.quakenet.org

Administration:

Chris "" DuBois - Academy Leader
Kevin "" Laude - Academy Website and Game Server Administrator
Gonçalo "" Trindade - European Management
Jens "" Nilsson - The Enforcer
Adam "" Fearn - Community Liasion
Questions? Comments? Snide Remarks? Email one of us.

This site has nothing to do with LucasArts, LucasFilm, Raven Software, or George Lucas. We are simply big fans of the games and the movies, and Star Wars, Jedi Academy, Jedi Outcast, Jedi Knight, and content directly from the game, along with the Jedi Academy name, are their copyrights and should be credited to them and no one else. Thank you, and have a nice day.

Site Design Copyright ©2004 Chris DuBois and Kevin Laude